There's a reason the Founding Fathers very narrowly defined treason. I would imagine royalty used to consider treason to be simply ill-spoken words about them and their family. "King so-and-so won't lower taxes even though we're not doing well." Local police (because that's what they were): "Stop! You're under arrest for treason against the king!"
Actually the President can pardon treason. The only thing that is unpardonable is being found guilty in an impeachment proceeding. Its right there in black and white in Article II.
But fraud vitiates everything. 2020 needs to be adjudicated and I think it will be a very high priority because without doing so we cant fix our elections and all the wrongs suffered by Trump, his family, his advisers and, indeed, the entirety of the American People were for naught.
Fauci is not subject to it
J6 Committee are not subject to it.
Has a whole chapter in the military code of Justice about who is subject to it and only General Miley because he is a member of the military would be subject to it.
Civilians are not subject to it except in very very rare circumstances
Civilians are not subject to it except in very very rare circumstances
I wonder why Lady Linsey questioned Kavanaugh about this case during confirmation ?
Johnson v. Eisentrager, 339 U.S. 763 (1950)
"We hold that the Constitution does not confer a right of personal security or an immunity from military trial and punishment upon an alien enemy engaged in the hostile service of a government at war with the United States."
"...It is not for us to say whether these prisoners were or were not guilty of a war crime, or whether if we were to retry the case we would agree to the findings of fact or the application of the laws of war made by the Military Commission. The petition shows that these prisoners were formally accused of violating the laws of war and fully informed of particulars of these charges."
"We hold that the Constitution does not confer a right of personal security or an immunity from military trial and punishment upon an alien enemy engaged in the hostile service of a government at war with the United States
This was not a case involving civilians. So this doesn't apply.
Also, do you understand how RARE a circumstance Johnson v. Eisentrager was?
They were openly engaged in war.
They weren't even Americans.
They were never under civilian jurisdiction and never in the United States.
So I don't see how this applies.
Here's the facts of Johnson v. Eisentrager
The prisoners had been convicted in China by an American military commission of violating the laws of war, by engaging in, permitting, or ordering continued military activity against the United States after surrender of Germany and before surrender of Japan. They were transported to the American-occupied part of Germany and imprisoned there in the custody of the US Army.
Graham brought this up in the context of enemy combatants which is also super rare circumstances.
“The issuance of these pardons should not be mistaken as an acknowledgment that any individual engaged in any wrongdoing, nor should acceptance be misconstrued as an admission of guilt for any offense.” 😏
I stand corrected - I read up on the issue some more and preemptive ARE legal but they are kind of an admission that a federal offense has been committed. Here's a post I made on it, if you're interested:
These pardons only cover what happened in the past- not future crimes… these people can still be called to testify in front of Congress- if they have been pardoned then they are absolutely compelled to tell the truth when questioned under oath…these people cannot tell the truth…
They can be compelled to stand before congress but they still have their 5th Amendment right to refuse to incriminate themselves unless Congress grants them immunity, pardon does not factor into Congressional testimony. They could, however, be tried in State courts for crimes committed in those states or against the citizens of those states. They could also be prosecuted for contempt of congress if they refuse to appear.
I'm nervous it will just be those convicted of misdemeanors. So many were convicted of trumped up felonies. I know Trump said it was going to be case by case basis.. cmon 47 make us proud!
Double Jeopardy Exception:
• If an individual is pardoned for a federal crime, a state can still prosecute for a similar or related offense under state law because federal and state legal systems are separate (dual sovereignty doctrine).
Notable Example:
• In the case of Paul Manafort (a Trump associate), he received a federal pardon, but New York state prosecutors pursued charges for similar crimes under state law.
A blanket pardon with zero investigations having been performed? This sounds like something that isn't just pre-emptive, but unprecedented. I wouldn't be surprised if the 2020 election has a formal investigation to invalidate Biden's Pardons, followed by all the targets being put back in the crosshairs.
Pardoned for what? when? Biden's son was pardoned for any crime he committed over a 10 year period.
What exactly are these people pardoned for? Anything in their entire lives?
Maybe there is more to this story.
Law of war manual. 11.3 is the start. Continuity of government. Treason. What’s amazing is he tried it anyway. What a declaration of guilt! I hope they’re arrested tried and processed before the day ends.
Someone on p.w posted that AF's goes back to 2014. I'm pretty sure that is related to statute of limitations and not the scope of criminal activity. Regardless, Treason is Treason so . . .
The president cannot grant pardons in cases of treason.
Illegitimate president's can't issue legitimate pardons either
And innocent people don't need preemptive pardons.
This news just reconfirms the guilt for Fauci, Milley, the J6 committee
If Crimes Against Humanity are Geneva Convention (or int'l) court then he cannot pardon that either.
There's a reason the Founding Fathers very narrowly defined treason. I would imagine royalty used to consider treason to be simply ill-spoken words about them and their family. "King so-and-so won't lower taxes even though we're not doing well." Local police (because that's what they were): "Stop! You're under arrest for treason against the king!"
Good point
Actually the President can pardon treason. The only thing that is unpardonable is being found guilty in an impeachment proceeding. Its right there in black and white in Article II.
But fraud vitiates everything. 2020 needs to be adjudicated and I think it will be a very high priority because without doing so we cant fix our elections and all the wrongs suffered by Trump, his family, his advisers and, indeed, the entirety of the American People were for naught.
If Biden voted for Trump, then is this a trap for all the people who have been using/controlling Biden?
Especially with the
Also.. https://twitter.com/its_The_Dr/status/1881338107125182975
Do the pardons include Military Justice ?
Read up on military justice.
Fauci is not subject to it J6 Committee are not subject to it.
Has a whole chapter in the military code of Justice about who is subject to it and only General Miley because he is a member of the military would be subject to it.
Civilians are not subject to it except in very very rare circumstances
I wonder why Lady Linsey questioned Kavanaugh about this case during confirmation ?
Johnson v. Eisentrager, 339 U.S. 763 (1950)
"We hold that the Constitution does not confer a right of personal security or an immunity from military trial and punishment upon an alien enemy engaged in the hostile service of a government at war with the United States."
"...It is not for us to say whether these prisoners were or were not guilty of a war crime, or whether if we were to retry the case we would agree to the findings of fact or the application of the laws of war made by the Military Commission. The petition shows that these prisoners were formally accused of violating the laws of war and fully informed of particulars of these charges."
This was not a case involving civilians. So this doesn't apply.
Also, do you understand how RARE a circumstance Johnson v. Eisentrager was?
They were openly engaged in war.
They weren't even Americans.
They were never under civilian jurisdiction and never in the United States.
So I don't see how this applies.
Here's the facts of Johnson v. Eisentrager
Graham brought this up in the context of enemy combatants which is also super rare circumstances.
If we are "terrorists" they are our "enemy combatants"
‘Oh what a tangled web we weave/When first we practice to deceive,’
But I asked why he brought it up ?
This gives me peace.
The Pardons can be ignored beecause they were granted by The United States of America corporation, not the United States.
I agree.
You got that backwards. "United States" is the corporation and "United States of America" is the republic.
or is it the united "States of America" ?
https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/declaration-transcript
(last paragraph)
That's how it was under the Articles of Confederation. The Constitution established a new entity.
these united States of America.
"...do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/constitution-transcript
"We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world..."
If you believe this, was it a corporation under Trump's first term?
If not, why not?
“The issuance of these pardons should not be mistaken as an acknowledgment that any individual engaged in any wrongdoing, nor should acceptance be misconstrued as an admission of guilt for any offense.” 😏
You would think that to be pardoned, one must first be convicted of an offense. Nothing is right-side-up any more.
For did that for nixon, just FYI.
That said a blanket pardon with no crimes mentioned? Odd that.
I stand corrected - I read up on the issue some more and preemptive ARE legal but they are kind of an admission that a federal offense has been committed. Here's a post I made on it, if you're interested:
https://greatawakening.win/p/19AK6GkHjv/concerning-the-pardons-biden-jus/
These pardons only cover what happened in the past- not future crimes… these people can still be called to testify in front of Congress- if they have been pardoned then they are absolutely compelled to tell the truth when questioned under oath…these people cannot tell the truth…
They can be compelled to stand before congress but they still have their 5th Amendment right to refuse to incriminate themselves unless Congress grants them immunity, pardon does not factor into Congressional testimony. They could, however, be tried in State courts for crimes committed in those states or against the citizens of those states. They could also be prosecuted for contempt of congress if they refuse to appear.
In other words, this ain’t over by a long shot! Enjoy the day Fren!
Thanks - less than 2-hours to start the new golden age of America. Flags at full-staff in my neighborhood.
Tribunals at GITMO play out a little differently.
You do not. See Nixon
read my reply to lupinate.
Inquiring minds - If there's no crime, why do they need pardons?
Ask the J6 political prisoners. Edit- Sorry I guess I have a one track mind lately!
No worries. Happens to all of us
Well then I guess there’s absolutely no way anyone can bitch when Trump pardons ALL J6rs today.
I'm nervous it will just be those convicted of misdemeanors. So many were convicted of trumped up felonies. I know Trump said it was going to be case by case basis.. cmon 47 make us proud!
Jaw dropping. This is unbelievable. It cannot stand.
What about Class Action?
u/#q1105
Maybe the WHs wants to give us a lesson that we, the people, are more powerful than we realize.
Heard some ppl saying now that they are pardoned they can’t take the 5th as a reason not to testify
Yes that was discussed after the Hunter pardon.
Based on what?
Do pardons have to delineate exactly what the pardon is for? I really thought they had to.
"You get a Get out of Jail Free Card, and you, and you, and you..."
Your move, Mr. President.....
Idiot: Fraudcci has not been charged with any crime, yet. Byeden should have granted immunity.
Yup
Double Jeopardy Exception: • If an individual is pardoned for a federal crime, a state can still prosecute for a similar or related offense under state law because federal and state legal systems are separate (dual sovereignty doctrine).
Notable Example: • In the case of Paul Manafort (a Trump associate), he received a federal pardon, but New York state prosecutors pursued charges for similar crimes under state law.
Crimes against humanity are not pardonable.
Can you walk us through this. I don't think there's a US federal crime called a crime against the humanity
Pardoned the capitol hill police too. They better not be able to use the legal defense fund when Congress calls them to testify under oath.
It will be interesting watching these get untangled, but I believe Trump's admin will.
I wonder if these pre emptive pardons will hold up in court? Does a pardon have to list the crimes the perp is being relieved from?
A blanket pardon with zero investigations having been performed? This sounds like something that isn't just pre-emptive, but unprecedented. I wouldn't be surprised if the 2020 election has a formal investigation to invalidate Biden's Pardons, followed by all the targets being put back in the crosshairs.
Sounds like immunity, doesn't it? As u/killerspacerobot pointed out in another thread, that is not a presidential power.
This eliminates their 5th amendment protections.
Pardoned for what? when? Biden's son was pardoned for any crime he committed over a 10 year period. What exactly are these people pardoned for? Anything in their entire lives? Maybe there is more to this story.
Which "Constitution"???
The one titled: Constitution OF The United States of America
OR
The one titled: Constitution FOR The United States of America
OR
The Constitution of the District of Colombia ????
international war crimes cannot be pardoned.
Law of war manual. 11.3 is the start. Continuity of government. Treason. What’s amazing is he tried it anyway. What a declaration of guilt! I hope they’re arrested tried and processed before the day ends.
The law of war doesn't not apply here
Nobody will be arrested for this.
They all need to answer for their crimes.
Ok, monthly don't go toenail for their lieing. Treason on the other hand. Is that even pardonable?
Impeachment is the only thing specified in the Constitution as not being subject to the pardon power.
Amazing how few patriots are familiar with our patriotic documents. Or can't bother to look this up.
A relatively simple four page document that even with all amendments is less than 8,000 words long.
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IF THE GOAL IS CAPITAL PUNISHMENT:
Just make the conditions of treaty with the Ukraine and Russia is that they (both nations) must try and execute Fauci, etc. (And Hunter Biden)
Then just extradite them overseas when requested by their justice departments.
Problem solved. If you want more, you can still use this as a final measure.
Haha hahaha 🤣 I don't think it will work for Military tribunals or Nuremberg.
Millet is the one I’m totally pissed off about. He took a military oath and was chairman of the joint chiefs of staff. He’s a piece of shit
Someone on p.w posted that AF's goes back to 2014. I'm pretty sure that is related to statute of limitations and not the scope of criminal activity. Regardless, Treason is Treason so . . .
I believe you need a crime before you can pardon.
Silly me.
See the case of Nixon
There was a crime and he wasn't prosecuted but the crime was mentioned.
He was never charged.
Ok handshake but there WAS A CRIME.
Fauci can dodge judgment in this world, but that is about it.
FUCKIN BULLSHIT
If the normies cant see it now, they are hopeless.
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