They were surprised when I said I had no plans to get the vaccine. They asked, "what if it were mandatory?" And I said, "then we'd have to have a serious conversation about that." The subject was changed quickly to something more light-hearted. But it seems like they're at least considering mandating a vaccine in order to work at this office. And if they do decide that, they'll be looking for a new manager for their shipping department.
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I have recently become allergic to pretty much everything. Terrible, happened the same date as the boat accident.
Even worse, those everything-allergies are highly contagious. In fact, I may have just become a life-long sufferer here merely from just having read your comment.
I... am a victim.
Top kek!
LOL
I am ... a victim
Cdc says it checks out
This works. (Just saying.)
Do whatever you have to do.
Forced franken-vaxxes for a cold/flu... God, what a world we live in.
Jesus save us.
Lying to get around tyranny makes you complicit in it. Tell them they can fuck off with their job if they think they can force people to take injections.
That's the serious conversation you'd have once it was mandatory.
That's not a conversation, it's a response to the ultimatum that should have been delivered earlier. To avoid confusion for most people replace "Mandatory vaccination" with "Sucking my cock in this office". If you're not getting vaccinated to keep your job tell them forcefully so their personnel chart is made up of "NOs" rather than "MAYBEs".
Focus on what was said and you'll see I'm agreeing with you.
And that serious conversation OP would have once it was mandatory would be,"Fuck off if you think I'm taking an injection for this job, you fucking fucks."
I will say as a person who has to carry an epi-pen, my employer was well aware that I wasn't going to be taking it. I only wished I could use this for these stupid masks that they are mandated in the office. I rip that thing off as soon as I am at my cubicle, outside the building and try and work from home as much as possible.
HIPAA Guidelines are meant to protect your health privacy, use it. 'I cant wear a mask and you have no legal standing to ask me why I cant wear it.' Aka fuck off
Good approach, there's up to a $50,000 fine for each instance HIPAA is violated.
HIPAA only applies to medical and insurance providers.
You should qualify your opinion by saying, "I have no clue what I'm talking about but I don't think HIPAA applies to employers."
Here's the archived version of hhs.gov/hipaa/for-individuals/employers-health-information-workplace which proves you are spreading misinformation.
https://archive.is/LOyXA
From the page you linked:
Lucky. We on shop floor are mandated to wear them and if we have them off for 1 minute they write us up. The office people, however, don’t have to wear them in their separate offices or cubicle like you mentioned. One of our HR ladies was panicking trying to find her face diaper to put on when I walked into her office to talk to her. That was amusing at least
I start taking it off as soon as I leave the cashier.
I’m ripping it off my face when I get into my locker room. I work second shift so there’s not a lot of people around anyway lol
I would find at least 5 issues that I need to go to HR about just for the panic effect
I’m about to the point where I may need to bring it to the company’s attention that we don’t like the masks. Unlike the office people we can’t take them off when we’re in our little bubble. They’ve gotten to where they make sure to mention in our daily meetings that we need to “stay focused”. We’d be focused if we didn’t have to deal with face diapers.. fools. We’d work harder too.
Hope you stocked up on those since Biden removed Trumps EO to lower epipens
I'd seriously "pass out" because that's what the face diapers are doing....severely limiting your oxygen and increasing your CO2. I wonder if they want to pay for your medical expenses. It's long past time for a lawsuit. They truly have NO right to impose "medical" advice or orders on you or anyone else. Every compliance, everyone who submits merely strengthens the demons.
Not to mention The chances of getting bacterial pneumonia.
Some folks mask are just vial.
Yes, that's one of the other "gifts" of submitting to tyranny.
If you have any allergies or asthma you have a valid medical condition that makes wearing a mask unsafe for you. I told my employer I could not safely wear a mask and he accommodated me. Fauxi himself wrote a paper on how during the Spanish Influeza, masks likely caused more deaths than the flu via bacterial pneumonia.
I started going to my doctor back in March regarding my "allergies", all sorted now, lol.
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You did the smart thing.
Don't agree to get it, they can use it against you.
More importantly, don't give them an ultimatum like "If you do X I will get it." Trust me, if you give them an ultimatum you can no longer sue.
Just say "I don't feel like it will help me" and nothing else. If they argue, just repeat the line until they get tired and leave. Don't explain yourself, and don't mention anything about studies or the news, they will use that against you.
If you do all this, and they fire you for not getting the vaccine, you can sue.
I don't think he means it makes you conspiracy theorist... I think it's for legal posturing. He sounds like a lawfag. ;)
I’m so glad I am self employed. My boss is great!! That would be- Jesus!
Thats funny- I work with a Jesus also and a Manual and Jose. They're cool though.
I have the same boss! I'm retired - kek!
Probably the reason is if you cite CDC data, they will come back with "CDC recommends the vaccination" or some shit at you. If you just decline without a specific reason, there are a multitude of grounds where they simply cannot mandate you get a forced injection. You're not pinning yourself in a corner this way. I agree though, the temptation to shred them in debate is strong. Believe me, I agree!
I hate woke company bullshit like you describe there man. Good luck!
I am disinclined to acquiesce.
Never let them put you in a situation that you can't get out of. If theres anythng that these have taught us it is that we always have to prepare and be three steps ahead.
Disinclined to acquiesce.
Sounds almost like you hesitate to articulate for fear that you might deviate from the proper course of rectitude.
If you cite data, then they can use that data as evidence against you and cost you a whole lot more in money, effectively timing you out.
You need a straight-forward case where the ONLY reason they fired you is because you didn't get the vaccine. Not that you refused it, but that you didn't get it.
If they fire you expressly because you aren't vaccinated, not because you refused to comply by company rules, then you have a case. If you outright refuse then you have gone against company rules and they can fire you for that and not for a personal health choice.
Stupid, I know, but it is your best chance at coming out on top.
.....company rules where they are practicing "medicine" without a license. People have gone to jail for that.
Excuse me, but I just have to ask.
Could not the condition of not receiving vaccination be legal cause for termination regardless of what the condition results from.
For example: Showing up to work is a condition of employment. Matter not whether your not on the job because you verbally refuse to report, or if you simply don't report because of negligence to duty.
To be clear, the goal is to make it absolutely clear to the courts that they fired you for not being vaccinated, not for ignoring company policy. If they find a way to make it about anything else, you're screwed.
If you refuse to take the vaccine outright, then YOU took an action they can fire you for. On paper, they will have fired you for not following policies and not have to bring up what those policies were, even if they are against the law, thus avoiding the topic of them deciding your health for you. They have to be the ones to act first.
Just like the court cases with the election, they don't have to hear the evidence you present if they just focus on a single technicality.
In the case of not showing up for work, if you agreed to do a job and you don't do it then they can fire you. Unless you signed a waver to allow them to decide your health for you, they have no authority to demand you get vaccinated any more than they can demand you get sterilized or get an abortion.
Violates your religious beliefs could be a good one. I mean seriously ... injecting aborted baby parts into your body ?
My company sends out a corporate new letter with the banner Stronger Together. I have felt multiple times like saying something, but I just let it ride. If we have a corporate zoom call and that is displayed, I just open task manager and block it out.
table 3 also has most deaths listed as things such as murder. all those death codes in the bottom 2 rows are complete horse shirt
This guy fucks. Legally.
Did you tell them that violating HIPAA is against the law and that as employers they cannot discriminate based on medical conditions or treatments?
That's EEOC...
It's both. https://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/for-individuals/employers-health-information-workplace/index.html
"Your employer can ask you for a doctor’s note or other health information if they need the information for sick leave, workers’ compensation, wellness programs, or health insurance.
However, if your employer asks your health care provider directly for information about you, your provider cannot give your employer the information without your authorization unless other laws require them to do so."
Sadly, the Democrats are going to be pushing the tyrannical health care laws hard and soon.
Its their weapon now, and they WILL use it against you.
And I will join in class action lawsuits all the way to the supreme court and if that fails we will pass protection from Draconian bullshit at the state level. I'm not going to back down. The Supreme Court cannot argue that "the right to privacy" makes abortion legal but vaccination declination illegal. They would invalidate the implied right to privacy in that ruling.
I just wish they would finally get rid of Obamacare it is costing me so much.
Most of the face-diaper NOT SEES don't give a rat's behind about HIPAA, EEOC or OSHA.
I think you should not quit. Just flat out refuse. Have them be the "takers-of-action". Gives you a case.
Yeah I wouldn't quit. I actually really like working here and I have a great relationship with my coworkers and my bosses. But there's a line that I'm not willing to cross for a company, and that line is mandatory chemical injections.
Keep up the fight! It's not about safety, it's about compliance. We got your back!!!
I worked for a biotech back in the early 2000's. We were in phase 3 of a drug trial and 1 person died. They immediately stopped the trials and stopped all work pertaining to this drug taking a stock hit and the CEO took a really big hit. But it was the companies policy, or the CEO's, that any necrosis was a line they would not cross. No questions asked.
This "vaccine", which it isn't at all according to the definition of vaccine, has killed how many people now? A company forcing you to take a "medical instrument" that has even 0.0001% change of death has to be something you can fight. You cannot be forced to risk death just for a chance of employment. This is the kind of thing that made labor unions a thing. Worker safety. We need to fight back a LOT harder than we are.
I had a link to a site about the vaccine not actually being a vaccine but it is down now. I hope it comes back. It isn't a vaccine and you cannot be legally forced to take it.
https://christiansfortruth.com/covid-mrna-vaccines-are-legally-not-vaccines-and-you-cannot-be-legally-forced-to-take-any-of-them/
Exactly! I’ve thought this since the beginning and what you’re saying here should also be applied to mask mandates. There’s no evidence that they help enough to risk wearing ALL DAY.
Recently I’ve developed some tooth sensitivities and found information on “mask mouth”. Dentists are saying the masks cause tooth decay and bacterial buildup and are expressing concerns for their clients, but they’ve essentially said “Since there’s nothing that can be done about it just rinse your mouth daily and stay hydrated with water, less caffeine.” Dentists won’t even stick up for our health
It's up now, there were some "widespread network outages" along the east coast today, for whatever reason. Good info, thanks for posting that.
Never quit, then you're not eligible for unemployment and you lose the right to sue them for wrongful termination. I forced my former employer to fire me. Took a while, but government finally approved unemployment under "disability" impacted by "covid"... now getting paid more per week then I was making at that job despite 10 years of dedicated service. Plus, now hundreds of customers pissed at the management. Still have 11 weeks of benefits while the legal investigation continues.
That is awesome that you are milking the system and not working and getting paid more than if you were working! Keep the faith!
At first I didn't try to claim benefits because I trusted the legal process would protect me and be done in a month or two. After I realized it would take longer, I listened to my wife who said: "these are YOUR benefits because they force YOU to give them YOUR money for 10 years, and they fucked YOU." I couldn't disagree with that logic ?
Exactly. Do not quit. Force them to fire you. Make it difficult.
Remember that you were intimidated and were emotionally damaged by these actions.
"In these studies, both V590 and V591 were generally well tolerated, but the immune responses were inferior to those seen following natural infection and those reported for other SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19 vaccines."
Top tier post! Stand your ground. Companies will backtrack if we say no in large numbers. I’m with you. No vaccine under any circumstances.
You should ask them how many people in the company have died due to covid?
HAHA! I should! (zero, btw). It's a small company - 10 people. 1 person has tested positive, she is 26 and she had flu-like symptoms for 3 days in the summer now she's fine.
I would tell them to keep an eye on the lawsuits that are soon to come for companies that try to pull the mandatory vaccine crap...
I'm a physician -- I work at a hospital whose management is lefty and the vaccine is (currently) not required as the FDA considers the mRNA vaccine experimental. We have the Pfizer vaccine and their data sheet flat out says "experimental FDA approval."
Use that to your advantage.
There is no covid vaccine, only experimental "vaccines" that are a new technology never before tested in humans because all of the animal test subjects died
This. Look up the reports of "pathogenic priming", the ones that were given the vaccine had worse symptoms than the ones that didn't.
I think the vaccine is intended to make covid deadly
I am expecting my employer to mandate a Covid vaccine. They have a flu shot vaccine requirement which I reluctantly agreed to but will not do the same with the COVID vaccine.
Do not get flu shots, especially women. The effect is cumulative, i.e., the neurotoxicity elements keep adding up, as the cannot be removed from the brain.
From what I have read, a "side effect" (translation - intended effect) is lower fertility in females. Bill Gates has a hard on for lowering birth rates.
Do you have a source for this information? My parents both get the flu shot and I refuse to. Will do the same for COVID vaccine if it comes to that. I’ve always thought that vaccines did more harm than good. Same may go for pets too
Tell them you will sue their pants off because they are knowingly mandating a vaccine that is so unsafe it’s being pulled off the market by Merck.
You could also point out under the Geneva Convention forced medical experimentation is considered a War Crime. This is an experimental vaccine and nobody knows what the long term side effects will be.
Are they prepared to put it in writing they will foot your medical bills if things go wrong?
Are they prepared to potentially be charged with War Crimes in the future if they force you to take it in order to keep your job?
Those things are never anonymous. If they want to know who submitted what, they find out easily.
Don't threaten to quit, which they can use against you. Just say you won't comply with illegal policies. Force them to fire you, so they become liable for damages.
Must be Fedex...those body bags on the ready.
There's the drug that nobody's talking about which is really powerful called Ivermectin, and then there is the hydroxychloroquine and zinc I suppose along with a z-pack we should be fine on that front
No. Don't quit. Don't give the field.
Find responsible people who are vaccinated and work with them remotely.
Defend your position as a decission maker. They need power. If you quit or give up - you give them what they want. Be smart.
We not only defend our countries. We also defend our businesses.
Say you have no interest until it’s FDA approved...might redpill them into looking to see its authorized under emergency use act. Or act like a lefty and say you don’t trust it cause it was developed under Trump and don’t think it’s safe. Their heads will explode.
I got fired from a job I did for 10 years with a spotless record and beloved by hundreds of customers and most staff. The reason? I refused to be muzzled. Have had shitty sinuses for years and don't breathe that great. Was told to get a doctor's note. Got one. Was accepted for 6 weeks but then all of a sudden it wasn't good enough, because somebody complained that I went on vacation. Asswipes told me comply or get fired. I told them if they wanted to break the law, they could fuck themselves and prepare for a lawsuit. Unfortunately, here we are 5 months later and the BOLI investigation is STILL ongoing... gotta love government inefficiency (but it's free, unlike lawyers).
First masks, now vaccines... give these douchers an inch and they'll take a mile. No paycheck is worth surrendering your rights. Stand up to tyranny and have faith that the Lord will provide.
Admire your courage! The cowards that are currently running corporations should all be relieved of their jobs and any further leadership positions when the TRUTH is finally revealed. My opinion, they had their chance! The information was there for them to learn, the hoax was obvious, business could have acted against local politicians to reject tyranny! They refused to do the right thing! This is what happened in German occupied countries and it doesn't end well.
Yeah. Today @ Doctrs when scheduling (elective) surgery i bowed out after they mandated a Covid Test days before surgery. I refused the swab in the nose (or any other means). Said I'd wait til all this Covid misinformation is over. Couple of yrs maybe??
This is the warning shot. Start looking for a new job, because they are (probably) looking for a new manager.
When the vaccinated are forced to wear masks and socially distance, you know it's a scam.
And when they tell you you'll need multiple vaccinations
Merck just announced they are no longer going to make the Vax because its better if you just go ahead and get the Chyna virus and become immune. It doesn't work.
What happened to the My body my choice?
You clearly work for a smaller/startup type of company.
I recently started working for pretty much the largest company on earth, or one in the top 5 at least.
I get prompted every day about Covid, and I basically was asked the same thing today.
It’s clear all this shit is controlled by one group. Everything. Your job, politics, news (think that Sinclair group video). I hate it so much. We need to take back our freedom and humanity.
I can recall ducking the flu shot in the military, and I never take it. I never seem to get the flu either. And I’m not taking any Covid vaccine. They keep setting up appointments for me at my work to get my “free” shot. Not happening.
Good for you.
That’s a good point - probably valid here in Australia too: that they have no right to know about my personal medical record. I’ll keep that in mind, the mandatory vaccinations are coming here too.
I haven't REFUSED to get the vaccine. I've told my company that I will consent to the vaccine in July or August, after I've watched tens of Millions of others take the vaccine and assessed their health after a few months.
If, after that large of a number has taken it, no large numbers are seriously ill or have health issues as a result of the vaccine... then I will agree to it. However, I will watch and wait.
They accepted that as a fair response. What boss doesn't want someone to be cautious and not jump into things without thinking them through?
I'm happy to wait 10 years for the current study/experiment results before considering it.
Sounds wise to me!
Did they interview others? If so, they might be checking how many of you they'd loose if made mandatory, before they decide whether to do it or not. Kinda paranoid, but you never know. Ask your co-workers how theirs went! :)
My response when I was asked a similar question was "Is the company really planning on taking on the life long liability of forcing people to take a vaccine that we know nothing about the long term effects of?"
If they tell me I have to take it without putting it in writing I will tell them I took it without putting it in writing.
If they tell me I have to take it and put it in writing I will ask for severance package that lasts through the end of the pandemic. Making such a large policy change during a pandemic where it's difficult if not impossible to find similar employment. The company doesn't require any other vaccines.
No offense but that's simply pussying out, if you intend to quit if they try that you should have told them you'd quit and work for a competitor. We're long past innuendo here.
I have a feeling a lot of companies are going to need more employees soon.
Mandated vaccines make zero sense to me, if you get the vaccine and don't get sick great. By having it you lessen the chance to stop someone who doesn't from contracting it in the first place. If you don't have it and get sick, well then you use your sick time like we have for the last hundred years, then you get better or die. What you didn't do is pose any health risk to the people who got it so what right would a company have to mandate it?
Vaccines are self-defense mechanisms. You getting one (assuming it works and the side effects aren't that dangerous) doesn't protect anyone else from the virus (assuming it is real). It protects you and only you. People who are paranoid of getting an airborne virus can wear a face shield or stay aware from people. People who worry about burglars can install locks on their doors. People worried about tyrannical government can arm themselves with guns. Self-defense is the right of everyone to exercise or not, but nobody has any right to tell or force them how to do so.
They'll use the arguement that "but if you neglect your own health and do get the virus, then resources (hospitals, doctors, nurses, medication) are wasted on treating you, which could be used to help somebody else with a less avoidable issue." Just simply respond "this is why I pay for health insurance."
THIS EXACTLY!
It does protect other people though, that's how herd immunity works. Some people can't take the polio vaccine but since everyone around them takes it it's just not able to be transmitted.
Everyone has just developed an egg allergy.