My response was essentially, "I can do it, but we will need to explain why we are going against CDC guidelines or else I see a mass problem on our hands. Can you get that reasoning for me so I can share it?"
A few hours later, the request for the memo was rescinded. Big win in my book.
Excellent. Good work, fren. Thanks for sharing that. The nimrods probably didn't even know it was now against CDC guidelines. Another tactic is to check your state law on masks. In some places they are deemed medical equipment and must be recommended by a doctor, but even then a person has the right to refuse.
The mandates are not laws.
True, I tried to explain that to a very obtuse store owner where I live. He actually seemed stunned to know that it was not the NJ Governor's "law". I then had to explain to him that the governor does not have the power to make laws. He was skeptical. Of course our old people murdering POS governor, Murphy, is now doing his damndest to enforce masking. You know summer is coming, lots of NJ peeps make their money at the beach areas, and he just ain't having it. Most of us are looking forward to seeing him swing from an overpass on the NJ Turnpike.
We became ignorant when we started letting the television educate us and tell us what to do. Some of the stores where I am in NJ not only have the masks are mandatory signs, but also add that by wearing masks we keep everyone safe. Good God people, read a book. There is no science behind the mask mandate. Viruses are way to small to be blocked by the masks most people are wearing.
I tell them to experiment with the fart test.
Put on your mask as tight as possible, then have someone fart in their face. If they can smell it, they can get covid.
While the human race in general is prone to acting like dumb pack animals following their leader off a cliff, the NE is like a magnet for them. Of course I am not saying that about anyone here. It kind of radiates outward of that blue state that has the governor that wrote a book telling everyone how great he handled the scamdemic.
I tried the same with a guy in Utah. He seemed so scared on the other side of the counter, asking me to stay six feet away, then said "it's the law."
"It's actually an unenforceable governor's mandate!" I retorted.
Brainwashed with fear.
Yup, and ignorant to boot. The guy I talked to didn't know the difference between an actual law and a mandate.
Correct. The CDC is not a regulatory body. It can only make recommendations. They issue nonbinding guidelines.
In the defense of employers, they really do not have clear understanding of what they must do in these circumstances. I have worked with CDC and OSHA guidelines in the workplace. These guidelines are a minefield and are the source of so much confusion for many employers. The whole area of what is required by law and what is just recommendations deliberately keeps employers guessing as to what are the minimum standards of compliance that they must adhere to in the workplace. This confusion has caused many employers to spend thousands for services to bring them into compliance - or so they think. Many of these services that I have examined are a waste of money and are self serving for those entities that provide these services. They have created a niche for themselves out of the confusion - so there is no incentive for them to clear the waters.
A CDC recommendation is simply that - a recommendation. The only way an employer is mandated to follow that recommendation is if their state has taken that CDC recommendation and codified it into state law and regulation which usually is incorporated into OSHA. Bloodborne Pathogen regulations are an example.
My experience with employers is that they generally only want to do what is required by law. Trying to follow a lot of recommendations will make you crazy and broke. Employers are usually grateful when someone can give them an out. This seems to be one of those examples.
Got into it with a dumb cashier who insisted that mask wearing was a law. Even if it was, which it’s not, that’s a law made to be broken.
Exactly, given the lack of critical thinking ability, the pathetic civics/government education our schools are providing and the large numbers of people who only came to the US after they got out of school, one could tell the vast majority of people almost anything about recommendations, mandates, laws, organizations like the AMA, CDC and the WHO, the alphabet agencies, the legal system and the government and they'd believe it without question.
They just announced that at the office you can stop wearing a mask if you provide a scan of your vax card and like Amazon you have to put this little sticker on your namebadge. I anonymously sent them the story of the IKEA that got a "poor reaction" to their certain yellow stickers last week, let's see if there's a memo about it.
I don't work in an office, but if they tried to pull this shit, I swear to god, I'd be filing a lawsuit. They cannot force you to disclose your medical history. At a minimum, they would need to make reasonable accommodations so you can continue to work there without disclosing or getting an experimental vaccine.
Fuck these pieces of shit.
IKEA article (translation):
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The threat of being in violation of some aspect of HIPPA or other employee privacy regulations are usually enough to get an employer to back off. They take the threat of civil lawsuits seriously as well. Most employers only want to be in compliance with what is legally required for them to do and stay out of the court system. Employers for the most part, are just as confused as the general public as to the difference between what they are legally compelled to do and what they are is just recommended to do. This veil of confusion is rampant in the workplace and is deliberate. Often, when and employer has a clearer understanding of exactly where that line is, they can make better decisions and not cause so much disruption among their employees. They just want to avoid lawsuits and state OSHA regulators. Given legal loopholes most employers will opt to take them. Once they understand they are not compelled to any of this crap, they probably won't - that is of course unless the employer is part of the wokies.
Agreed. The problem is most Big companies have HR departments filled with loony socialists that have turned them into woke zones. Leftists used HR to infiltrate corporate America very successfully.
It's illegal for your employer to ask for you private medical information. It's in violation of HIPAA, which is a federal law. Maybe you should pass that on to your employer.
Yep even government employees they are saying you cant ask for vaccine info.
Can confirm, - even in Commiefornia. I'm a state worker, and they cannot ask, or require proof of vax.
You can see that they wish they could. My business would love to make masks and vaccines mandatory. But they aren’t, and they can’t, and they know it.
The problem is when employers make everyone wear a mask UNLESS they prove they aren't vaccinated. So they aren't exactly forcing you to give your health information to them...but there is HUGH incentive and pressure to do it or get the injection.
Or better yet, finagle it so they ask you in writing for a scan of your card, then take that evidence to an attorney so it doesn't become a "well, it was a suggestion, not a demand" type situation.
I have worked in this area. Vaxination records can be requested by an employer only if being vaxed is within the scope of employment - like in health care settings. Those records cannot be made available without expressed written authorization by the employee to make their vaxine status known. All vaxine records must be kept in a secure place that cannot be accessed by just anyone. This is not part of HIPPA but a company can be in violation of other state employment regulations if an employee's vaxine status is made known without written consent of the employee. Not only are they in violation for releasing personal medical information without consent, but they can also be sued in civil court for violating a employee's privacy.
Companies right now are caving to public pressures without knowing what the laws are in this area. Like the rest of the general public, they must be educated and reminded of what the laws are regarding employee medical records.
Exactly. Some may be 'requiring' it out of ignorance of the law (which is actually pretty inexcusable) or they may just be trying to force it on you and hope YOU are ignorant of the law. People seriously need to start suing.
Why do we need to pass a physical for so many jobs? Also teacher friends i have all had to submit negative tuberculosis and covid tests.
If OTHER people's vaxes work, YOUR status should be of no concern because you would not be a threat to them. BUT that conclusion would require LOGICAL THINKING, something of which few people seem to be capable.
I agree whole heartedly. But the HIPAA route is already squashed when schools require vaccines for children to enroll, and some jobs require testing and vaccination as well.
Only difference is these chemical shots aren't FDA approved yet.
Jobs absolutely can require vaccine records. Now for an experimental “vaccine” I doubt that’s the case.
That's a direct violation of federal law and HIPAA guidelines. Your health data is between you and your Dr, or an organization that is regulated by HIPAA standards.
Some rogue antifa groups (cough) should make some banners that say “Auschwitz” and go hang them up outside these employers....
Then print up a flyer showing all the different symbols the nazis used and hand that out.
Exactly what I thought, but I couldn't write it as good as you did!
This is good. Yesterday my company had a meeting as we are targeting going back in July. There was initially going to be hybrid options but now the choice is either 100% remote or 100% in office, you get to choose. If you are vaccinated, you don't have to wear a mask. You don't have to be vaccinated and you don't have to disclose whether you are or not, but if that is the case, then you have to wear a mask. Which to me just is another way of isolating you. I have my own office, so I can just shut my door but walking around would be a pain.
I have to wonder how many people will opt to come in. My firm has offices all over the country, many of them small so I know they are looking to decrease their costs. They are rolling this out in regions and in the pilot, 70% opted to work from home permanently. I predict similar numbers in my area, so I am wondering just how much of a stink do I raise at this point, since my position allows me a lot of freedom to come and go in the first place.
Edit to add: as I was going over the option form, I got an email fom an employment law attorney that I know that CA OSHA is playing games and it looks like due to pressure from worker groups, they are not lifting the mask mandate yet, even with vaccinated populations. This literally just happened so my scenario may be a moot issue at this point. Not sure who the worker groups are, but my guess it is public/teachers unions.
Yep you don’t need to be anyone’s fall guy. Good for you!
Good for you, fren! I few months ago I had to put together a corporate-wide email telling all employees to update their email signature to a new one attached. Included in this new signature was the usage of pronouns after your name. Needless to say, I did not feel comfortable telling people to add their pronouns, so I intentionally left that part out. I basically said if HR wants us to mention it, then they need to write the email. It felt like a small win, too! Congrats to yours!!!☺️
Stop the insanity
Masking outdoors is absolutely clinically insane, and I mean that literally
The virus is fragile—it breaks apart in UV light, and the wind blows it away
You WANT UV light to hit the skin around the nose and mouth where the most viruses would be concentrated if you even had them, which you don't, if you don't have symptoms
^^^ THIS X 1000 ^^^
Good job
Great job!
Sweet!
Nice work.
ATABOY
That is an awesome win, bud. Keep that shit up!
Well done!!??
Great stuff mate. I know it’s not easy but you played that well
Ha! Very nice!
1000 Updoots for you Fren!
Awesome, that’s great news. Great response as well, on your end.
Well done!!
Good job!
Awesome
Legend
Nice job Fren.
Bravo! That is how it is done!
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Awesome! Great work and results!
Power to the People. Great win Pede ! ?
Yuge win. Great job. This is what we need!
Smooth
YUGE win!
Awesome response! ??????
Massive Win!!!!!
That’s a Never Split the Difference remove right there.
“YOU” solve my problem.