My response was essentially, "I can do it, but we will need to explain why we are going against CDC guidelines or else I see a mass problem on our hands. Can you get that reasoning for me so I can share it?"
A few hours later, the request for the memo was rescinded. Big win in my book.
Excellent. Good work, fren. Thanks for sharing that. The nimrods probably didn't even know it was now against CDC guidelines. Another tactic is to check your state law on masks. In some places they are deemed medical equipment and must be recommended by a doctor, but even then a person has the right to refuse.
The mandates are not laws.
True, I tried to explain that to a very obtuse store owner where I live. He actually seemed stunned to know that it was not the NJ Governor's "law". I then had to explain to him that the governor does not have the power to make laws. He was skeptical. Of course our old people murdering POS governor, Murphy, is now doing his damndest to enforce masking. You know summer is coming, lots of NJ peeps make their money at the beach areas, and he just ain't having it. Most of us are looking forward to seeing him swing from an overpass on the NJ Turnpike.
While the human race in general is prone to acting like dumb pack animals following their leader off a cliff, the NE is like a magnet for them. Of course I am not saying that about anyone here. It kind of radiates outward of that blue state that has the governor that wrote a book telling everyone how great he handled the scamdemic.
We became ignorant when we started letting the television educate us and tell us what to do. Some of the stores where I am in NJ not only have the masks are mandatory signs, but also add that by wearing masks we keep everyone safe. Good God people, read a book. There is no science behind the mask mandate. Viruses are way to small to be blocked by the masks most people are wearing.
I tell them to experiment with the fart test.
Put on your mask as tight as possible, then have someone fart in their face. If they can smell it, they can get covid.
I tried the same with a guy in Utah. He seemed so scared on the other side of the counter, asking me to stay six feet away, then said "it's the law."
"It's actually an unenforceable governor's mandate!" I retorted.
Brainwashed with fear.
Yup, and ignorant to boot. The guy I talked to didn't know the difference between an actual law and a mandate.
Correct. The CDC is not a regulatory body. It can only make recommendations. They issue nonbinding guidelines.
In the defense of employers, they really do not have clear understanding of what they must do in these circumstances. I have worked with CDC and OSHA guidelines in the workplace. These guidelines are a minefield and are the source of so much confusion for many employers. The whole area of what is required by law and what is just recommendations deliberately keeps employers guessing as to what are the minimum standards of compliance that they must adhere to in the workplace. This confusion has caused many employers to spend thousands for services to bring them into compliance - or so they think. Many of these services that I have examined are a waste of money and are self serving for those entities that provide these services. They have created a niche for themselves out of the confusion - so there is no incentive for them to clear the waters.
A CDC recommendation is simply that - a recommendation. The only way an employer is mandated to follow that recommendation is if their state has taken that CDC recommendation and codified it into state law and regulation which usually is incorporated into OSHA. Bloodborne Pathogen regulations are an example.
My experience with employers is that they generally only want to do what is required by law. Trying to follow a lot of recommendations will make you crazy and broke. Employers are usually grateful when someone can give them an out. This seems to be one of those examples.
Got into it with a dumb cashier who insisted that mask wearing was a law. Even if it was, which it’s not, that’s a law made to be broken.
Exactly, given the lack of critical thinking ability, the pathetic civics/government education our schools are providing and the large numbers of people who only came to the US after they got out of school, one could tell the vast majority of people almost anything about recommendations, mandates, laws, organizations like the AMA, CDC and the WHO, the alphabet agencies, the legal system and the government and they'd believe it without question.
They just announced that at the office you can stop wearing a mask if you provide a scan of your vax card and like Amazon you have to put this little sticker on your namebadge. I anonymously sent them the story of the IKEA that got a "poor reaction" to their certain yellow stickers last week, let's see if there's a memo about it.
I don't work in an office, but if they tried to pull this shit, I swear to god, I'd be filing a lawsuit. They cannot force you to disclose your medical history. At a minimum, they would need to make reasonable accommodations so you can continue to work there without disclosing or getting an experimental vaccine.
Fuck these pieces of shit.
IKEA article (translation):
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The threat of being in violation of some aspect of HIPPA or other employee privacy regulations are usually enough to get an employer to back off. They take the threat of civil lawsuits seriously as well. Most employers only want to be in compliance with what is legally required for them to do and stay out of the court system. Employers for the most part, are just as confused as the general public as to the difference between what they are legally compelled to do and what they are is just recommended to do. This veil of confusion is rampant in the workplace and is deliberate. Often, when and employer has a clearer understanding of exactly where that line is, they can make better decisions and not cause so much disruption among their employees. They just want to avoid lawsuits and state OSHA regulators. Given legal loopholes most employers will opt to take them. Once they understand they are not compelled to any of this crap, they probably won't - that is of course unless the employer is part of the wokies.
Agreed. The problem is most Big companies have HR departments filled with loony socialists that have turned them into woke zones. Leftists used HR to infiltrate corporate America very successfully.
It's illegal for your employer to ask for you private medical information. It's in violation of HIPAA, which is a federal law. Maybe you should pass that on to your employer.
Yep even government employees they are saying you cant ask for vaccine info.
Can confirm, - even in Commiefornia. I'm a state worker, and they cannot ask, or require proof of vax.
You can see that they wish they could. My business would love to make masks and vaccines mandatory. But they aren’t, and they can’t, and they know it.
The problem is when employers make everyone wear a mask UNLESS they prove they aren't vaccinated. So they aren't exactly forcing you to give your health information to them...but there is HUGH incentive and pressure to do it or get the injection.
Or better yet, finagle it so they ask you in writing for a scan of your card, then take that evidence to an attorney so it doesn't become a "well, it was a suggestion, not a demand" type situation.
HIPAA only affects drs and nurses. Only drs and nurses are bound by HIPAA and arent allowed to pass out patients information... Edit: it only applies to people who actually HAVE your private medical info. It does not have anything to do with you telling another person about your own medical history. It's simply to stop someone from calling into your drs office and asking them about some other persons history... Pretending like HIPAA stops a company from asking YOU to divulge your own information is nonsense.
You are wrong. It involves EVERYBODY in EVERY profession...hint, I am old and have been in medical sales since before the HIPPA law was created...
No person or entity is exempt...period
This gets the "Liar, Liar Pants on Fire" snopes flair. The law was originally written for insurance companies and healthcare providers, but extended to anyone that handles private medical data, primarily concerned with paper records. The follow-on HITECH Act covers any entity that stores private medical data in an electronic system. Source: I'm a certified auditor.
Seriously, we should start raking corporations over the coals on this one and demanding HIPAA and HITECH audits of their HR systems if they're trying to do this.
Someone posted here the other day who’s work involved hipaa law and that it absolutely was not just for doctors and nurses, but the public in general.
yeah the IT guy who works on a Dr's computer has to sign things re: HIPAA. I'm guessing if you found a patient's medical record file on the street you'd be bound by HIPAA not to do whatever it is you can't do with Px information.
True. It is my choice who I will share my personal medical history and I choose not to share.
You are correct. HIPPA is not in view here. But, there may be other privacy issues in play that have legal merit. The ADA can be expanded to fit the circumstance as well as GINA. Each state has there own regulations with regard to how private medical information of employees are handled. This is an area right now that is grey and will only be settled through litigation to fine tune it. It would come under an employers responsibilities to use general care to protect an employee's medical status.
If a person voluntarily gives their status to another person that is one thing. But, an employer cannot generally force an employee to divulge their medical status nor can the employer divulge private medical information once obtained without written authorization to do so. Medical records in certain circumstances, like in health care settings, can be requested by an employer - such as vaxine status. Those records must be maintained securely and are not kept as part of employee's work records. This is mostly defined through state regulation and not part of Federal mandate. For most states these private records held by a company cannot be released without the employee's consent except in certain legal circumstances such as by subpoena or other legal mechanism or in the case of medical emergency. The biggest threat to employers is getting sued by an employee for the release of this information.
Why do we need to pass a physical for so many jobs? Also teacher friends i have all had to submit negative tuberculosis and covid tests.
If OTHER people's vaxes work, YOUR status should be of no concern because you would not be a threat to them. BUT that conclusion would require LOGICAL THINKING, something of which few people seem to be capable.
I agree whole heartedly. But the HIPAA route is already squashed when schools require vaccines for children to enroll, and some jobs require testing and vaccination as well.
Only difference is these chemical shots aren't FDA approved yet.
Jobs absolutely can require vaccine records. Now for an experimental “vaccine” I doubt that’s the case.
That's a direct violation of federal law and HIPAA guidelines. Your health data is between you and your Dr, or an organization that is regulated by HIPAA standards.
Exactly what I thought, but I couldn't write it as good as you did!
Yep you don’t need to be anyone’s fall guy. Good for you!
Good for you, fren! I few months ago I had to put together a corporate-wide email telling all employees to update their email signature to a new one attached. Included in this new signature was the usage of pronouns after your name. Needless to say, I did not feel comfortable telling people to add their pronouns, so I intentionally left that part out. I basically said if HR wants us to mention it, then they need to write the email. It felt like a small win, too! Congrats to yours!!!☺️
Stop the insanity
Masking outdoors is absolutely clinically insane, and I mean that literally
The virus is fragile—it breaks apart in UV light, and the wind blows it away
You WANT UV light to hit the skin around the nose and mouth where the most viruses would be concentrated if you even had them, which you don't, if you don't have symptoms
^^^ THIS X 1000 ^^^
Good job
Great job!
Sweet!
Nice work.
ATABOY
Awesome, that’s great news. Great response as well, on your end.
That is an awesome win, bud. Keep that shit up!
Well done!!??
Great stuff mate. I know it’s not easy but you played that well
Ha! Very nice!
1000 Updoots for you Fren!
Good job!
Power to the People. Great win Pede ! ?
Awesome
Legend
Nice job Fren.
Bravo! That is how it is done!
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Awesome! Great work and results!
Yuge win. Great job. This is what we need!
Smooth
YUGE win!
Awesome response! ??????
Massive Win!!!!!
That’s a Never Split the Difference remove right there.
“YOU” solve my problem.
Bravo, PATRIOT!!
I still see people with masks on while driving alone in their vehicle. I can't help but feel sorry for them. They're either retarded or broken.
They're scared out of their poor little brainwashed minds.
They won't hear about loosened restrictions until their favorite MSM tells them and, even then, might not believe it because the change in narrative after almost 1.5 years of, "you're gonna die, you're gonna die, OMG you're gonna die," would short-circuit their brains.