She said that she thought one particular required test, at very cold conditions, "was stupid." It was in the contract to test at very low temperatures because Navy ships often encounter very cold conditions....submarines in particular. Steel can become very brittle at low temperature conditions, sort of like the Titanic did in the waters where it encountered an iceberg.... but never mind that, she thought the test "was stupid." Such a genius.
Agreed, Jordan Peterson says you should approach a conversation like you can learn something from the individual you are trying to communicate with. This is something these self important liberals cannot comprehend. Like the saying goes. “It’s what you learn after you know it all that counts”. As Satchel Page put it, (it’s not what you know, it’s what you know that just ain’t so).
We are guilty of self righteousness behavior. Have a strong sense of moral and ethical reasoning before you venture into the "we didn't ask your opinion so aggressively given". Universe.
Thinking the tests "were stupid" is her cover. Her real motive was to subvert the military. These people aren't like Scooby Doo villians that admit their motives once they are unmasked.
The fact is few if any women have the capability for abstract thinking that typically male dominated careers have. A womans reproduction is virtually assured whatever she is in terms of looks or intelligence. Yet for tens of thousands of years probably the only men who reproduced were either incredibly physically dominant or were clever enough to think their way out of problems and the fact is most women throughout history reproduced. Most men didn't.
Well, I look like a deer caught in the headlights, but, when I speak, people are surprised I can form complete sentences in what I have been told "perfect diction".
Women most certainly can and do have just as much capacity for "abstract thinking" for jobs or otherwise as men do. I've met many skilled and extremely knowledgeable women in my career as a programmer. I've known women who could run circles around me when designing systems architectures.
Any woman is capable of such things at the same capacity as men, there's no real difference except that women aren't given as many opportunities in schools and jobs. When they're given the opportunity, people like you screech about "diversity hires" as if women can't be hired on their accomplishments and merits alone. Pretty damn sexist of you and others to think women aren't capable of such things.
I don't deny women with the capability for abstract thinking exist. I'm saying that they are extremely rare. Autism and high IQ's and the ability at abstract thinking are much rarer in women than they are in men. Women trend average. Men are more widely distributed on the Bell Curve meaning exceptional men and low quality men are more common. Exceptional women in that area are probably at a ratio of 1 woman to every 20 men.
Womens domain is the home. Mens domain is the civilisation. This is where talents are best focused. Instead our civilisation devotes enormous resources to having women out there LARPing as men.
You are either arguing in bad faith or got lost trying to find r/politics if you believe any of that. Women make up the majority in higher education. Women control the HR departments at corporations. Diversity quotas are very much a thing. I've seen it at work first hand - between the diversity hires and the bean counters the company I work for is dying on its feet.
She had one more job to do, she was paid to do it, but didn't because it was "stupid".
Sorry, not buying it.
BTW, the Titanic steel was tested at room temp for impact (this was maybe 40-50 years back), and it was found to be brittle. The article I read had a picture of 2 steel samples, one from the same batch of steel used in the Titanic (I don't recall the source), and modern ship grade steel (at the time of testing). The Titanic sample broke, the modern sample bent. Big difference.
"She had one more job to do, she was paid to do it, but didn't because it was "stupid"."
Not buying what? Sounds like the exact excuse I see a ton of people at my own workplace do.
imo She's just incriminated herself for fraud at minimum. And I don't know how the law works in this matter, but I would agree at least in my opinion she's guilty of treason. EVEN IF she totally meant this excuse sincerely.
I generally like to take people at their word when their own word incriminates themselves.
Not for any other reason than Occam's razor though. If there's evidence suggesting she did this intentionally, I'd totally hear it.
But "intentionally" can mean a lot of things. She did it for money. She did it in the interests of some country or entity other than the USA. She did it because she genuinely thought it was stupid and she did this as some sort of weird protest against stupid military decisions in her opinion.
What did she intend?
And is that intention more than merely intending to defraud whomever pays her to do these tests (company she works for, contract, my apologies I don't know the details)?
I just know that WHATEVER she intended.... this excuse "it's stupid" is incriminating in-and-of-itself. Nobody paid her to decide if something is "stupid" they paid her to do it and she did not. And because the consequences are life and death of those that protect the lives of our country- that's treason.
I'm just not sure what you mean by "you don't buy it" maybe you meant all that already or you have a different perspective.
Not buying the "it was stupid" excuse. Her job was metallurgical testing. She was paid to do it. Anyone who knows anything about metal knows temperature has a large impact on strength and the character qualities of the metal.
When confronted with the falsified results, Ms Thomas suggested that in some cases she gave metal positive results because she thought it was “stupid” that the Navy required the tests to be conducted at -100F (-70C), the Associated Press reports.
Dry ice is all it takes to get to -100* F. So it's not like it was going to take a huge effort to test as specified.
I get paid to do a job, and if I don't do it, I will be reprimanded, and I could be terminated.
So, did she not test because it was stupid, or because they knew it would fail? I think there is more to the story that we haven't seen yet.
I remember on an episode of Deadliest Catch watching the Time Bandit or one of the other boats ploughing through an ice flow which had come down unexpectedly and watching what was happening to the steel of the hull inside the bow. Every one on board was bricking it. Thank god for modern metallurgy and the ductility steel has.
It’s not a paste. Type it in this format and then whatever post number u want where the ???? is and it will insert it automatically. Leave out the periods obviously.
When confronted with the doctored results, Thomas told investigators, “Yeah, that looks bad,” the Justice Department said. She suggested that in some cases she changed the tests to passing grades because she thought it was “stupid” that the Navy required the tests to be conducted at negative-100 degrees Fahrenheit (negative-73.3 degrees Celsius).
I guess we should have made her take a random trip in those submarines once in a while. How does ONE person have this kind of responsibilty (power)? F the fine of a million dollars, everything she has should be seized and she be locked up forever.
If she was just doing it on her own it would be difficult. That wouldn't be treason, but it would be criminal negligence or something worse because it was willful.
If she was colluding with China or another country then it is treason and it should be the death sentence. We can't have people sabotaging our military personnel by making faulty equipment.
Anyone else wondering how it’s so easy to fake so many tests these days?
I feel like I had harsher quality control in undergraduate chemistry labs. We’re now seeing faked testing on steel, COVID samples, Pfizer vaccines, etc. Large amounts of news about fake data.
I’m not a metallurgist, but I would think it’s difficult to fake reactions for Navy steel. Obviously we know you can fake positive COVID results with pawpaw fruits and whatnot, but I’m astounded that so many “scientific” processes can be faked so easily.
I don't know the particulars of this case. But it's shockingly easy for this stuff to go on for years. Just a tacit acknowledgement that people lie and get away with it leads to an expectation of corruption, leading to actual corruption that exceeds expectations, leading to new expectations of worse corruption. General moral decay. Here are a few articles on fake lab results going back years. I couldn't even find the one I was searching for, an FBI crime lab in Colorado, because it's so pervasive. Too much acceptance of other people's work, without checking or enforcing basic honesty.
why isn't our military double testing and verifying these materials for themselves?
Oh thats right... Cuz its the same military that procured all those sensitive, made-in-china electronic componets that phoned home back to china and were capable of being remotely hijacked.
The same military forcing the fauci juice
The same military that did Afghanistan, and allowed 9/11
Fucking disgrace. Sellout treasonous upper brass.
Talk about draining a massive fucking swamp. Start with the Military Industrial Complex
And im not bagging on our enlisted boys. The real patriots who live and die for this nation. Its the 'leadership' the jokers who run the shitshow. No accountability. Even now theyr'e steering all the blame at some metallurgist for 10 years of their own negligence.
agreed,what she did has serious national security risks attached and I'd guess most of this bad steel was coming from foreign companies? were they taking bribe money? was there blackmail? there's more to this.
I know someone who was serving in the navy and died on duty in the submarine. When I think about him I just hope the drowning wasn't to sufferable. It would be aweful if I ever found out this was a tie link.
Oh look, a contractor can fake tests for year's that puts the Navy submarines at risk for failure and she faces less jail time than I would for slapping an AR pistol upper on a rifle lower. What bullshit.
She said that she thought one particular required test, at very cold conditions, "was stupid." It was in the contract to test at very low temperatures because Navy ships often encounter very cold conditions....submarines in particular. Steel can become very brittle at low temperature conditions, sort of like the Titanic did in the waters where it encountered an iceberg.... but never mind that, she thought the test "was stupid." Such a genius.
Diversity hires. (Here comes that anger). This never would’ve happened if she would have stayed in the kitchen. 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
Could she be trusted to follow a recipe any better?
The stakes are lower for steaks. 🤣😂🤣
kek
Good one!!!!
As long as the recipe wasn't """stupid""" she could.
There is some hubris attached to Chip on shoulders attitude.
Agreed, Jordan Peterson says you should approach a conversation like you can learn something from the individual you are trying to communicate with. This is something these self important liberals cannot comprehend. Like the saying goes. “It’s what you learn after you know it all that counts”. As Satchel Page put it, (it’s not what you know, it’s what you know that just ain’t so).
We are guilty of self righteousness behavior. Have a strong sense of moral and ethical reasoning before you venture into the "we didn't ask your opinion so aggressively given". Universe.
Thinking the tests "were stupid" is her cover. Her real motive was to subvert the military. These people aren't like Scooby Doo villians that admit their motives once they are unmasked.
Is she a Democrat? If so they are above the law.
The fact is few if any women have the capability for abstract thinking that typically male dominated careers have. A womans reproduction is virtually assured whatever she is in terms of looks or intelligence. Yet for tens of thousands of years probably the only men who reproduced were either incredibly physically dominant or were clever enough to think their way out of problems and the fact is most women throughout history reproduced. Most men didn't.
Well, I look like a deer caught in the headlights, but, when I speak, people are surprised I can form complete sentences in what I have been told "perfect diction".
Women most certainly can and do have just as much capacity for "abstract thinking" for jobs or otherwise as men do. I've met many skilled and extremely knowledgeable women in my career as a programmer. I've known women who could run circles around me when designing systems architectures.
Any woman is capable of such things at the same capacity as men, there's no real difference except that women aren't given as many opportunities in schools and jobs. When they're given the opportunity, people like you screech about "diversity hires" as if women can't be hired on their accomplishments and merits alone. Pretty damn sexist of you and others to think women aren't capable of such things.
I don't deny women with the capability for abstract thinking exist. I'm saying that they are extremely rare. Autism and high IQ's and the ability at abstract thinking are much rarer in women than they are in men. Women trend average. Men are more widely distributed on the Bell Curve meaning exceptional men and low quality men are more common. Exceptional women in that area are probably at a ratio of 1 woman to every 20 men.
Womens domain is the home. Mens domain is the civilisation. This is where talents are best focused. Instead our civilisation devotes enormous resources to having women out there LARPing as men.
You are either arguing in bad faith or got lost trying to find r/politics if you believe any of that. Women make up the majority in higher education. Women control the HR departments at corporations. Diversity quotas are very much a thing. I've seen it at work first hand - between the diversity hires and the bean counters the company I work for is dying on its feet.
She had one more job to do, she was paid to do it, but didn't because it was "stupid".
Sorry, not buying it.
BTW, the Titanic steel was tested at room temp for impact (this was maybe 40-50 years back), and it was found to be brittle. The article I read had a picture of 2 steel samples, one from the same batch of steel used in the Titanic (I don't recall the source), and modern ship grade steel (at the time of testing). The Titanic sample broke, the modern sample bent. Big difference.
"She had one more job to do, she was paid to do it, but didn't because it was "stupid"."
Not buying what? Sounds like the exact excuse I see a ton of people at my own workplace do.
imo She's just incriminated herself for fraud at minimum. And I don't know how the law works in this matter, but I would agree at least in my opinion she's guilty of treason. EVEN IF she totally meant this excuse sincerely.
I generally like to take people at their word when their own word incriminates themselves.
Not for any other reason than Occam's razor though. If there's evidence suggesting she did this intentionally, I'd totally hear it.
But "intentionally" can mean a lot of things. She did it for money. She did it in the interests of some country or entity other than the USA. She did it because she genuinely thought it was stupid and she did this as some sort of weird protest against stupid military decisions in her opinion.
What did she intend?
And is that intention more than merely intending to defraud whomever pays her to do these tests (company she works for, contract, my apologies I don't know the details)?
I just know that WHATEVER she intended.... this excuse "it's stupid" is incriminating in-and-of-itself. Nobody paid her to decide if something is "stupid" they paid her to do it and she did not. And because the consequences are life and death of those that protect the lives of our country- that's treason.
I'm just not sure what you mean by "you don't buy it" maybe you meant all that already or you have a different perspective.
Not buying the "it was stupid" excuse. Her job was metallurgical testing. She was paid to do it. Anyone who knows anything about metal knows temperature has a large impact on strength and the character qualities of the metal.
Dry ice is all it takes to get to -100* F. So it's not like it was going to take a huge effort to test as specified.
I get paid to do a job, and if I don't do it, I will be reprimanded, and I could be terminated.
So, did she not test because it was stupid, or because they knew it would fail? I think there is more to the story that we haven't seen yet.
I remember on an episode of Deadliest Catch watching the Time Bandit or one of the other boats ploughing through an ice flow which had come down unexpectedly and watching what was happening to the steel of the hull inside the bow. Every one on board was bricking it. Thank god for modern metallurgy and the ductility steel has.
She did the testing for the Titanic also.
No, she was picking cotton then.
DAAAMMMN
I know, brutal, but someone had to say it.
I was ROFL
That made this old curmudgeon smile...thanks.
F'ing A! 🤣
Correct
u/#q855
Here ya go fren
It’s not a paste. Type it in this format and then whatever post number u want where the ???? is and it will insert it automatically. Leave out the periods obviously.
….u/#q????…..
https://greatawakening.win/p/12jJs336Z6/-gifs-emojis-and-q-posts-/
There is obviously very powerful people who she was acting on behalf of, directly above her.
Eyes On, because Patriots already have names.
We knew it’s OK’ed by the Kenyan’s beloved son.
You mean the bacha bazi boy obama
Geotus mentioned numerous times about American steel during the past. Now we know why.
The one little boy who enjoyed the molestation
I'm not sorry. This is treason. Chop their heads off
When confronted with the doctored results, Thomas told investigators, “Yeah, that looks bad,” the Justice Department said. She suggested that in some cases she changed the tests to passing grades because she thought it was “stupid” that the Navy required the tests to be conducted at negative-100 degrees Fahrenheit (negative-73.3 degrees Celsius).
Obviously we are dealing with a lib here.
I guess we should have made her take a random trip in those submarines once in a while. How does ONE person have this kind of responsibilty (power)? F the fine of a million dollars, everything she has should be seized and she be locked up forever.
This is my question, too. There is usually multiple levels of redundancy internally and even independent analysis of those findings
Exactly. Many should roll from the top down (so to speak). This is outrageous.
I was thinking she should have to serve her time in one of those sketchy subs🐸
I would check her bank accounts for deposits from China.
I wonder how they caught her?
If she was just doing it on her own it would be difficult. That wouldn't be treason, but it would be criminal negligence or something worse because it was willful.
If she was colluding with China or another country then it is treason and it should be the death sentence. We can't have people sabotaging our military personnel by making faulty equipment.
There had to have been failures that caught someone's attention. Either that or a whistleblower.
Anyone else wondering how it’s so easy to fake so many tests these days?
I feel like I had harsher quality control in undergraduate chemistry labs. We’re now seeing faked testing on steel, COVID samples, Pfizer vaccines, etc. Large amounts of news about fake data.
I’m not a metallurgist, but I would think it’s difficult to fake reactions for Navy steel. Obviously we know you can fake positive COVID results with pawpaw fruits and whatnot, but I’m astounded that so many “scientific” processes can be faked so easily.
They don't fake an actual test. They don't do the test at all, but falsely say that they did.
That would require large amounts of falsified data to be submitted, or a large amount of people in on the fix.
I’m inclined to believe the latter.
I don't know the particulars of this case. But it's shockingly easy for this stuff to go on for years. Just a tacit acknowledgement that people lie and get away with it leads to an expectation of corruption, leading to actual corruption that exceeds expectations, leading to new expectations of worse corruption. General moral decay. Here are a few articles on fake lab results going back years. I couldn't even find the one I was searching for, an FBI crime lab in Colorado, because it's so pervasive. Too much acceptance of other people's work, without checking or enforcing basic honesty.
https://www.abajournal.com/magazine/article/crime_labs_under_the_microscope_after_a_string_of_shoddy_suspect_and_fraudu
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/epic-drug-lab-scandal-results-more-20-000-convictions-dropped-n747891
https://www.austinmonitor.com/stories/2017/09/the-implosion-of-austins-crime-lab-a-timeline/
https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Technician-boss-in-S-F-police-lab-scandal-6169230.php
Where’s her mug shot? Are we Culter’s ruled here?
why isn't our military double testing and verifying these materials for themselves?
Oh thats right... Cuz its the same military that procured all those sensitive, made-in-china electronic componets that phoned home back to china and were capable of being remotely hijacked.
The same military forcing the fauci juice
The same military that did Afghanistan, and allowed 9/11
Fucking disgrace. Sellout treasonous upper brass.
Talk about draining a massive fucking swamp. Start with the Military Industrial Complex
And im not bagging on our enlisted boys. The real patriots who live and die for this nation. Its the 'leadership' the jokers who run the shitshow. No accountability. Even now theyr'e steering all the blame at some metallurgist for 10 years of their own negligence.
Keel hull the bitch!!!
How about death by execution? Fines are for speeding or running a red light…not treason
She admitted to treason and is now "doing a Comey" to save her neck.
Comey's neck didn't do so well and neither will hers.
Oh, yeah, incidentally, was BHO involved in this scam? Q seems to think he may have been.
She owes America all the money wasted and the extra time used to maintain the equipment. Billions. She cost America billions.
agreed,what she did has serious national security risks attached and I'd guess most of this bad steel was coming from foreign companies? were they taking bribe money? was there blackmail? there's more to this.
I know someone who was serving in the navy and died on duty in the submarine. When I think about him I just hope the drowning wasn't to sufferable. It would be aweful if I ever found out this was a tie link.
That is not enough punishment
I have thoughts on this. Was it money? Saving money because charging for more expensive steel vs the actual quality?
Was there wanton intent to purposefully weaken? Was it truly laziness? Or just stupidity. (Diversity hire).
TLDR article... but immediate thoughts.
Oh look, a contractor can fake tests for year's that puts the Navy submarines at risk for failure and she faces less jail time than I would for slapping an AR pistol upper on a rifle lower. What bullshit.
Putting our Navy at risk. Yep, this is treason.
Obviously a leftover Soviet agent from the Cold War.
Time to do a deep dive on her finances and find that deep state money.
People died because of this cunt. She should be tried for murder at the LEAST.
Maybe she was too lazy to run the test and just wrote down numbers.
There’s a tree branch out there with her name on it.
Isn’t there a Q post about steel?
who is the ' foundry in Tacoma ' ? I want to know the name of this foundry and who comprises their management team .../!!!
Bradkin, Tacoma Foundry.
Here's a link including a photo of her
https://contactout.com/Elaine-Thomas-20862033
Maybe deliberate sabotage?
Could be a CCP agent or a home grown communist
Aren’t the dems all are, besides that rino with one eye?