IMHO the reason for the whole war is that NATO was expanding and threatening them. If Ukraine joined NATO they would be fucked and it would only be a matter of time before Russia was attacked.
I don't love Russia or Putin, but I think this idea that this is all about their aggression is not accurate. If they sat back and did nothing they would be screwed.
Given that we lied to them about NATO expansion as well (the promise from Baker was NATO would not expansion east if Russia did not interfere with German reunification.), I don't blame them.
Even more impressive is the yield of what they can arm with for the cost.
I was laughing when everyone was pointing out they used old hardware for the initial invasion. You always probe with deprecated hardware. Why risk the good stuff.
It’s not considering Russia still sends Cuba military assistance and are even considering putting Russian troops on the ground, which is why its strange that Putin sees the US providing military assistance to Ukraine as provocation, when he’s actively doing the same in Cuba.
If Russian troops do ever touch Cuban ground now, I’m almost sure it would mean a declaration of war, as it would for him if US troops touched Ukraine ground.
The whole point of NATO was to threaten Russia. At its inception it extended to halfway through Germany and now it is right up to the Russian border in places. Even now, Ukraine is a "half-NATO" country. They are getting advisors, weapons and finance from NATO.
Russia had a worse war than the entire west, including Germany, all added together. Most western nations seem to enjoy wars in other people's countries. Maybe if the MIC found itself under some Tsar Bombs the world would be a more peaceful place afterwards?
NATO must expand. Otherwise, it can no longer justify its existence. Trump understood this and was working towards dismantling it. The goal is total global domination governed by the West - specifically the US deep state - or at least that is what the real puppet masters will allow them and us to think. There is always a line in the sand that allows everyone to take sides. The script this time just happened to write in Russia and its allies as being one of the sides. The formula has been used time and time again.
This is larger than Putin. He is not a lone actor. He must have cooperation. My understanding is that his support has been growing and that is pissing off the power brokers - specifically the imbeciles at State manipulated by the military industrial complex jumping for joy at the amount of money they are going to make over the dead bodies. Still, all of them are only tools for the real elites that prefer to remain in the shadows. Where Putin and company are on this spectrum of players remains to be seen. Is he trying to wage war against global domination of the elites, or is he just another means to the end?
Now I have been hearing talk about NATO expanding beyond Europe into the Pacific rim. We are in a world war already and the puppet masters will benefit no matter which instrument comes out on top because they play all sides - or what appears to be different sides. This is the game they have always played and the masses get sucked into it every time.
I know that most of the old timers on this board are well aware of the playbook. But for the sake of the newbies lurking here that may not have had the benefit of hearing this angle before, I submit the thought for consideration. Nothing is what it appears to be. Narratives are spun for our consumption to drive us into predetermined Hegelian dialectic outcomes. We must be mindful of the manipulation and do our best to step aside and not to become taken in by their offers of choices between bad outcomes. Be well my frens and survive to rebuild. Nothing can stop what is coming.
Yes. It needs to all be dismantled. In the mean time, I do not plan on being one of the lemmings running blindly towards a predetermined cliff somewhere. No thanks, I am getting off this ride and going the opposite direction. Be well and stay strong fren. The fertilizer is headed our way.
The false assumption is that Russia would think NATO would attack Russia from Ukraine. NATO would have no interest in trying to invade Russia. Would any country want to invade Russia? I guess their oil reserves could be an attraction, but the cost of an invasion in money and lives would far outweigh the value of the oil, and it would be very unlikely outside forces would be able to conquer Russia.
The threat would be biological weapons and internal dissent, leading to (ta-da!) REGIME CHANGE.
Remember that it has been revealed that the Ukrainian army was preparing for a massive attack against the Donbass, to wipe out the ethnic Russian population. This had been timed for something like February 28th. Russia invaded on February 24th.
I am sorry to say I don't recall a specific source. I do recall it being commented on in several places that I read, without much fuss or objection being made about the allegation. It was surprising news, but it surely would have explained the timing of Putin's move. I think that must have been why such a large Ukrainian armed force had been gathered near the Donbass.
Putin jumped first, quickly got to Kiev, and pinned those forces in place so they couldn't reinforce anyone, and had the rest of the invasion proceed along the east and southern borders to consolidate the Lugansk and Donetsk, hold key cities, and attain some of the main objectives. Now they are in Phase II, the encirclement of the UKR forces in the Donbass and wearing them down in a "cauldron" of barrage.
Exactly. The cabal was using the Ukraine because they were on the border of Russia to try to destabilize Russia from within. They did the same tactics with the country of Georgia and funding the chechnya rebels.
I'm more scared of our own government launching nuclear weapons than Russia or China... All this seems too forced and staged to be real or organic. Wasn't there a story or something that rumors of Trump not turning over the codes and football? It would be a travesty if our government allowed someone as mentally competent as Joe or Harris to be anywhere near the codes..
Wow. My Great Great Grandfather came over and began his own tailor shop in Chicago, siring a huge family I don’t know. Mostly in the midwest I hear. REAL IMMIGRANTS.
the sacrifices our forefathers (and foremothers) made to start a life is truly amazing. My grandfather was the first u.s. born of his siblings -- the first 12 born in portugal. they were fruit pickers.
still trying to figure out my white privilege ;)
I didn't think it was working until insaw this black chick crying and begging forgiveness for voting biden and pining for trumps return. Admitted she and all who voted biden fucked up. So maybe the squeeze is on.
Got a link? I’d love to share this to already seething NPCs in denial, their increasing projection when they show them stuff like this is entertaining.
This May 9th narrative is all over the news. The cabal is setting something up.
Rep. Adam Kinzinger on Sunday said he has introduced a resolution to authorize US military force if Russia uses chemical, biological or nuclear weapons in Ukraine — calling the scenario a “clear red line.”
If they get this passed (of course they will), they are one false flag chemical attack from full US involvement in this wag the dog war on our sensibilities. They will use this May 9th narrative to confuse and conflate, to use the Peoples cold war memories against us, and force us into a war we do not want and can not win (of course that may be the point).
They have done this before with Saddam and in Syria. And of course the American Sheeple fell for it hook, line and sinker.
I have an employee who is redpilled to almost everything thats been happening for the last 7 years. He isnt the sharpest tool in the shed but he has been awake. He has fallen hard for the cold war, Russia is the enemy narrative, in this Ukraine Hollywood production.
The question is why would Russia use any WMD just a few miles from their own border, with prevailing winds carrying anything directly towards Moscow, a mere 250 miles away from the Ukraine border, when they are clearly winning and overmatch the Ukraine military by orders of magnitude?
Russia wouldnt, so why would this resolution by neocons be necessary? Only to set a narrative that leads to direct involvement by our military and the start of the hot war portion of WW3.
That's why they are desperate to make normies think Ukraine is winning the war. Sets the state for their false flag to be eaten up and justify their war Reichstag fire/911 style.
Kinzinger is ASS DEEP in treasonous acts and was with No Name and Linda Graham on many of the visits and coordination with our previous proxy army of ISIS. I can’t believe he is still around TBH.
No..no they're not. This is all a pre planned game and it's not going to result in direct east/west war. They need to stop with the war hawking shit. Biden's illegitimate regime is NOT in control and this wont be allowed to happen.
I believe this as well. But I’m not attached to outcome. If a wmd false flag happens and we send troops to Ukraine then whatever plan team Q set in motion has failed. Let’s see how it plays out.
I listen to CNBC when I drive into work. Today, all I heard was Putin is going to use tactical nukes. WTF? When did this escalate to Nukes? They are pushing Nuclear war. I hope the white hats are truly in control. I do recall a post about nuclear scare I believe. Forgive me, I do not have the post number, nor is my search feature working when I try to search the archives.
You don't use nuclear weapons against your next-door neighbor. You contaminate yourself by proxy. Most intelligent people know this, so it's an obvious plot to scare us into letting them "keep us safe".
I can imagine lots of hypersonic missile attacks on key targets, but definitely nothing nuclear or chemical or biological: too close to home. Besides, not Putin's intent.
Fucking asshats haven’t heard one of them including the weak ass republicans push for peace or cease fire. Just Putin is bad and ukraine is saintly and here is more weapons and money
Let's all be clear on one thing... if... IF... the US military directly confronts the Russian military based on the Russian performance in Ukraine so far with bio/chem/nukes completely off the table Russia would lose BADLY. Sure the Russians have been accomplishing their goals and inflicting plenty of casualties but they've been taking hella casualties to do it and taking way more time than anyone expected. One thing stands out loud and clear. Russia is no longer a 1st world military. Their core small force is still 1st world but the bulk of their troops are poorly trained conscripts with shitty older equipment. In a real war their true 1st world army would be outnumbered and outgunned.
To me this is the scary part because when they start to lose they will turn to nukes and chem warfare to make up the difference and all hell will break lose.
I'm confused by a lot of the posts in this thread because a few months ago everyone was so excited about Putin taking out suspicious labs, possibly freeing children and women in sex trade.
The mood was so positive and certain, a lot of digging was done and theories abound.
So if the deep state can win immediately against Russia - that means Russia isn't really a white hat harming the deepstate - otherwise they would have already stopped Russia if it was true Ukraine is the head of the NWO and deep state assets.
It also means that our military is powerful, but then do the white hats really have control? If they are that strong and going against the allies of the white hats?
Is devolution really at play if we see US involvement in a war against Russia/Putin?
That would put to rest almost every theory floating on the boards right now about Putin accelerating white hat plans to uproot the NWO and deep state from Ukraine. And where would devolution be at this point? White hats and Trump in control but they will just let US get involved?
What, they'd let it happen for optics?
I can't keep up, would love some help and look forward to seeing our autists straighten this out.
I actually left this board for about a month because I got so sick of all the pro-Russia BS. Everyone grabbed hold of that narrative that Russia was the good guys and ran with it. They had no evidence other than assumptions they made up out of whole cloth by interpretations of Q posts that were a HUGE stretch.
I'm not sure what the truth really is. One thing I'm totally sure of is Putin is just as bad if not worse than(in some ways) the cabal. He might be working as a white-hat but if he was then wouldn't we be seeing the evidence? Wouldn't he have pictures of the human trafficking sites, the bio labs, etc etc. What he's just gathering it and isn't going to share anything with anyone?
The sad truth is I figured out the likely reason why everyone on this board went all in on the pro-Russia BS. A large number of people on this board are actually Russian. Q is a worldwide phenomenon and many Russians are quite internet savvy. Even if its only 10% once they started it everyone else jumped on the bandwagon. Which was sad to see sense normally this board is very even headed. Notice that when they didn't win in a few weeks they calmed down a little.
The issue of NATO being able to defeat Russia IS THE WHOLE PROBLEM. The reason Putin is attacking Ukrainian is he doesn't want NATO on his door step BECAUSE THEY ARE A THREAT... and he knows it.
Now... that said the cabal baited Putin into the fight. I think they thought they could beat Putin. They thought wrong. Its a proxy war and its pretty clear even though Russia is taking longer and is losing more men and equipment they are in fact winning.
All I was saying is if Russia is having trouble using its full force to win a proxy fight with a bunch of rednecks(with good gear) they would get smashed in a real NATO vs Russia fight.
Also remember that while the cabal has a lot of power they are not fully in control of all NATO countries and the only way they can use US firepower is if We The People accept their flimsy excuses. That might work in the middle east because muh terrorism, but attacking Russia is a whole other thing. If Biden actually started a fight like that on purpose he might find We The People dragging him out of his office and tossing him to the curb or worse.
I've yet to see a single drop of evidence that this Ukraine thing is anything other than cypts vs bloods fighting over territory. Its two groups of mafioso thugs slugging it out with a bunch of innocent civilians being used as pawns/bait/shields etc. Except instead of tec9s they are using AKs, RPGs, MBT, Migs, and missiles.
The fact that the thugs on both sides are government officials and/or their pawns just proves how messed up things really are ATM.
I want to thank you for taking the time explaining a little more. It's really helped me understand from your point of view.
One thing is certain, is the cohesiveness of Q followers has remained because of the history we have watching the better days before the election. It's hard to let go of that feeling I had.
Everything after the election doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. I'm not that sold on the idea Putin is acting in favor of white hats either. I personally don't agree with the hysteria surrounding vaccines either, Q said not all vaccines are bad. You could say the same arguments when people blamed every death on Covid, was the same behavior as saying every death was caused by the vaccine, lol. Same thing to me.
Well, I enjoy these boards anyway. I have always held the possibility that things have been greatly exaggerated by imagination. For example democrats are killing babies, through support of abortion, but the rest is hyperbole.
I've seen a way more rational side of people lately here, which is good, because it was like the election hopes and the hope for a better world crushed a lot of people.
Don't be fooled. The vaccines are far worse than even some on here believe. The issue is they are a long slow death rather than a quick one. They might as well of injected people with live cancer cells. We are only witnessing the leading edge of the death toll caused by the covid vaccine.
As far as killing babies... I'd like to see the proof before a I pass final judgment, but I truly believe these lunatics capable of ritual human sacrifice etc etc. Narcissism gone mad can make people do some seriously insane shit.
The one thing about Putin that gets me is the cabal spent a LONG time baiting him into attacking. They antagonized him. So either they truly are a bunch of idiots or they had already removed/destroyed any incriminating evidence in Ukraine. If that's the case then how is Putin acting as a white-hat by going in and pointlessly wrecking the place? It makes no sense.
Well abortion is the single biggest distraction and both uniparty and cabal use it to divide. We are the only species that polices reproduction and attaches a value of social piety to it. Look up whales, great apes, bears, pandas, etc many other higher domain animals will infanticide for survival or if infants survival is not guaranteed. We have extremist Christians here pretending because a single case of a 20 week fetus surviving through the most advanced NICU in the world means aborting is murder. And then when confronted with the socialism question when it comes to abolishing abortion and the millions of unwanted babies, they have NO answer.
The vaccine is another thing. Some not all is implying you're not going to die getting a typhoid vaccine when traveling. It's pretty obvious the covid vaccine is nefarious based on Borla and Gates actions, the push on a municipal level, and the complete attempt at discrediting VAERS. did some people get saline? Yeah. Are some people hardy enough to make it past the initial spiking and metabolic damage? Yeah. It doesn't mean that our conviction the vaccine is bad isn't warranted. A hundred people dying is too much, considering covid itself is just another URI that only kills people who were already on death's door
And once again..it's social piety. Grandma, grandma. You're not evil if you think someone dying at 90 is no big deal. It's the natural course of things before Q day and also Jesus returning.
There's a lot of unjustified supposition in this comment. Where do you get the idea that the Russians are taking heavy casualties, disproportionate to objectives, poorly trained, and poorly equipped? Methinks you have been lapping up the media Kool-Aid. Few people understand what Putin is doing, so what does it mean when the ignorant don't expect to see what is happening?
I have read one insightful comment that has concluded that NATO (and by extension, the U.S.) are shitting in their pants, because their NATO-supplied and -trained protege' (Ukraine) is having its clock cleaned by the very Russians they supposed would be easy to stymie.
I watched a well made non-propaganda YT video that talked about how Russia has failed utterly to perform a proper air campaign. It explained how the US use wild weasel missions to break down enemy air defenses and destroy SAM sites. Russia did little of this. They have been operating under fire and taking loses. Mostly they just use long range missiles. Every time you hear about something important being blown up it wasn't from a bomb on a plane that flew over the target. It was a surface to surface missile or a long range cruise missile dropped from a plane 150+ km away. Why? Because while Ukraine isn't in control of the air space neither is Russia. That's not winning.
I've also seen plenty of video where Russian tanks are clearly being hit by missile and 90% of the time they do what you expect, the turret blows slap off because all the ammo goes off. That is a 3 man crew dead instantly. I've also seen several videos of Russian vehicles(SUV/Humvee type stuff) shot to shit and abandoned. Blood is all over the street, although the bodies are gone. So you think no one died?
No, its clear to me in the western MSM propaganda they highlight Russian casualties and skip over the Ukrainian ones. Its very likely that the rates are even 2 vs 1, meaning for every dead Russian there is two or even three(possibly more) dead Ukrainians but if you think the Russians are operating like the US did in Iraq were they lost like 500 men vs 100k dead Iraqs you need to ship me some of what your smoking because its some seriously good stuff. I don't normally do drugs but sounds like what you are smoking is too good to pass up.
Bottom line if Russia has killed 20k Ukrainians even at 3 to 1 that 6-7k dead Russians. How many blown up tanks/APCs? How many downed helicopters etc etc? Dozens? Maybe hundreds of tanks. I'm not saying Russia is getting its ass kicked. I'm saying they are having to actually fight and take casualties against a bunch of rednecks with good gear. Actual soldiers would be wtfpwning the Russians is the logical conclusion.
If Russia was a real fully equipped 1st world military like the US Army(at least used to be pre-Obama) the fight would already be over. Russia would have air superiority and would have bombed the Ukrainian military into dust. Instead they merely contest the airspace and are clearly taking significant casualties on the ground. The fact they are making progress and causing heavy casualties isn't surprising. Fighting NATO the same way would result in them running out of troops in a matter of weeks. Translation, they don't stand a chance in hell against even half of NATO being fully committed.
Just a quick reply. Russia has air superiority, at least enough to be able to use it at will, to operate Su-25s and their attack helicopters. They've wiped out the Ukrainian air force. UKR is putting airplanes aloft that have been patched together from storage. There is no "contest." Ukrainian air fields have been hit. The Ukrainians may operate something out of western Ukraine, but that's a long ways from where the action is. But why bother with aircraft when you have rocket barrage weapons of equal or better accuracy? They give much less warning to the target. And ground weapons can be integrated with ground-based intelligence to clue them in to the right targets. This is particularly necessary when fighting against an adversary that prefers human shield tactics. You have to shoot only where the shooting comes from.
Were they indeed Russian tanks, though? Was it even footage taken in Ukraine? (The UKRs have been known to substitute footage from Syria as being from Ukraine.) The Russians have admitted to losing maybe ~200 tanks, but have destroyed ~2,000 Ukrainian ones. Russian casualties were about 5,000-6,000 (~1500 dead) and their count of Ukrainian casualties was ~20,000 total (maybe 10,000 dead).
One Russian goal is the elimination of Ukrainian military combat capability, by destruction or surrender of forces, and destruction of fixed and mobile assets. They have a long list of weapons depots, ammo dumps, and fuel reserves that they have destroyed, including the 2 (or 3) fuel refineries in Ukraine. The UKR army has nothing to shoot, very little to move with, and no fuel with which to move. They are fixed in place. The Russians first pinned them down, and now the main battle will be an encirclement of the 60,000-man Ukrainian main force in the Donbass in a "cauldron," where they will be pounded into submission or destruction.
To the contrary, they are making child's play of a NATO protege' armed with NATO weapons and trained in NATO interoperability tactics, and this makes NATO nervous. I think it was Colonel Douglas MacGregor (who commanded a tank formation during Gulf War II) who praised this operation as being very skillfully planned and executed. They are placing more emphasis on attainment of goals than adherence to a schedule. Americans are too impatient, and they therefore misjudge what they are given to see (the news from Ukraine and the Western powers is all corrupt at the source).
The fact that both sides lie constantly makes it hard for us to know the truth.
The Ukrainians are clearly still firing SAMs at Russian planes/helo. Thus Russia doesn't control the airspace in any way. Control is not just about jets and runways.
None of this negates my original theory. The Ukrainians didn't have half the training US Army does. They also have VERY different equipment and strategy. Yes, Russia is winning the proxy fight but they shouldn't just be winning. It should be a total route with very few casualties. Instead the ATGMs MANPADs etc are proving very effective at creating casualties. US Army would also be using MLRS, 155mm, and other stuff that the Ukrainians lost in the first week through the whole fight. Throw is some F-22s and Russia just doesn't stand a chance. To think otherwise is foolish.
The only difference is Russia is good enough that it would create casualties on our side not seen sense Vietnam. They would still lose.
You are just assuming that both sides lie. Ukraine has been shown to be lying. There is no evidence that the Russians are lying, only a disparity between their numbers and Ukraine's numbers. To say that Western observers support the Ukraine numbers is only to say that the West, who created the Ukraine corruption swamp, has a vested interest in sticking to the narrative that they are helping to create.
In any case, the Russian casualties at last note were ~5,000 (~1,500 dead), while their count for Ukrainians, whose bodies they are collecting and counting in the field, is more on the order of ~20,000 (~10,000 dead). Essentially all the Ukrainian armor and aircraft are destroyed. Their ammo dumps and fuel depots are destroyed, so they are out of fires and mobility. The West throws in weapons and the Russians collect them as trophies off the field, unfired, abandoned by fleeing Ukrainians, and being remanded to the Donetsk forces for their armament. The Russians have no problem using their UAVs, Su-25s, and attack helicopters (beyond the reach of any Ukraine aircraft operating from western Ukraine). Currently, Russia has encircled ~60,000 Ukrainian troops in a "cauldron" where they will be attritted by artillery or desertions---until they surrender or are finally destroyed.
I think you are right, NATO is having kittens about Russian tactics and weaponry. The idea that Russia is a second rate military is nonsense, ever since we saw how they deployed their air force over Syria we knew that.
Their bombers did round the clock attacks with seemingly no aircraft maintenance downtime at all, that isn't anything we could do.
As for nukes? They don't need nukes, they have charge cluster/EVO weapons as we do, all they have to do is open up a few select geological faults and that's it. But as the Sniffer in Chief isn't boss of the US military at all Russia can only win.
I read the works of Viktor Suvorov on the subject of the Russian military. Very tough dudes. No margin for weaklings or the faint of heart. The Russians have an attitude about combat, and once you understand it, one respects it. Very pragmatic. Very realistic. Unsentimental, without being unfeeling.
What infuriates me is these globalists trying to drag the west into conflict with another sovereign country simply because it is resisting the globalist movement. The leftist politicians have everyone believing Ukraine is the victim in this, when the reality is that all the “aid” being requested goes to the Cabal to protect the corrupt interests of those in cahoots with them. Biden doesn’t want millions to help the Ukrainian people - he wants it to cover his own crimes.
One thing is for sure, we have no way of knowing what is really happening, what the real motives of the players are, and of course, what the ending will be.
Don’t forget that the reason Russia went into Cuba was because the US put nuclear missiles in Turkey. What stopped the Cuba Missile crisis was Kennedy agreeing to remove missiles from Turkey. Which we did. Again, the US is the aggressor in the Ukraine. Now, i reserve the right to be wrong, that the US has intelligence that Russia has a big expansion plan and we are preempting it. Okay, let’s see real evidence, not fake WOMD like in Iraq. Just like not trusting FDA, CDC, I personally don’t trust this admin or any fed agency. Where’s the beef? All I see is fake burgers!
IMHO the reason for the whole war is that NATO was expanding and threatening them. If Ukraine joined NATO they would be fucked and it would only be a matter of time before Russia was attacked.
I don't love Russia or Putin, but I think this idea that this is all about their aggression is not accurate. If they sat back and did nothing they would be screwed.
Given that we lied to them about NATO expansion as well (the promise from Baker was NATO would not expansion east if Russia did not interfere with German reunification.), I don't blame them.
Russia is playing the long game thank goodness.
The restraint when you really look is impressive.
Even more impressive is the yield of what they can arm with for the cost.
I was laughing when everyone was pointing out they used old hardware for the initial invasion. You always probe with deprecated hardware. Why risk the good stuff.
I would LOVE to see President Trump, Putin and Xi as joint leaders of GF-3
G-Fucking THREE. Screw the rest of those globalist turds.
😂☝🏼
3 headed dragon?
Ghidorrah?
Ghidra?
NSA program?
Nah, just GF-3. Then a major ass-kicking of the globalist cabal.
And you keep your best troops, equipment, and air assets in reserve in case NATO wants to FAFO.
https://thesaker.is/foreign-minister-sergey-lavrovs-interview-with-mediaset-italian-television-network-moscow-may-1-2022-it-is-a-hot-one/
well said, you know when the USSR put missiles in Cuba, we weren't too thrilled about it, how is this different?
It’s not considering Russia still sends Cuba military assistance and are even considering putting Russian troops on the ground, which is why its strange that Putin sees the US providing military assistance to Ukraine as provocation, when he’s actively doing the same in Cuba.
If Russian troops do ever touch Cuban ground now, I’m almost sure it would mean a declaration of war, as it would for him if US troops touched Ukraine ground.
Needless to say paramilitary is the way now.
Official troops is so 1960s.
Either way the reality is we declared war on the world in 2003 by completely making up our reasons for invading Iraq.
“United States foreign policy is akin to a monkey with a hand grenade.”
Yep
https://youtu.be/QxYmm5yCJBg
underrated comment
The whole point of NATO was to threaten Russia. At its inception it extended to halfway through Germany and now it is right up to the Russian border in places. Even now, Ukraine is a "half-NATO" country. They are getting advisors, weapons and finance from NATO.
Russia had a worse war than the entire west, including Germany, all added together. Most western nations seem to enjoy wars in other people's countries. Maybe if the MIC found itself under some Tsar Bombs the world would be a more peaceful place afterwards?
NATO must expand. Otherwise, it can no longer justify its existence. Trump understood this and was working towards dismantling it. The goal is total global domination governed by the West - specifically the US deep state - or at least that is what the real puppet masters will allow them and us to think. There is always a line in the sand that allows everyone to take sides. The script this time just happened to write in Russia and its allies as being one of the sides. The formula has been used time and time again.
This is larger than Putin. He is not a lone actor. He must have cooperation. My understanding is that his support has been growing and that is pissing off the power brokers - specifically the imbeciles at State manipulated by the military industrial complex jumping for joy at the amount of money they are going to make over the dead bodies. Still, all of them are only tools for the real elites that prefer to remain in the shadows. Where Putin and company are on this spectrum of players remains to be seen. Is he trying to wage war against global domination of the elites, or is he just another means to the end?
Now I have been hearing talk about NATO expanding beyond Europe into the Pacific rim. We are in a world war already and the puppet masters will benefit no matter which instrument comes out on top because they play all sides - or what appears to be different sides. This is the game they have always played and the masses get sucked into it every time.
I know that most of the old timers on this board are well aware of the playbook. But for the sake of the newbies lurking here that may not have had the benefit of hearing this angle before, I submit the thought for consideration. Nothing is what it appears to be. Narratives are spun for our consumption to drive us into predetermined Hegelian dialectic outcomes. We must be mindful of the manipulation and do our best to step aside and not to become taken in by their offers of choices between bad outcomes. Be well my frens and survive to rebuild. Nothing can stop what is coming.
Well said.
Well said this exactly, NATO should go down either before or with the cabal it’s over for them we can’t let the lies and fear overtake us.
Yes. It needs to all be dismantled. In the mean time, I do not plan on being one of the lemmings running blindly towards a predetermined cliff somewhere. No thanks, I am getting off this ride and going the opposite direction. Be well and stay strong fren. The fertilizer is headed our way.
You have that right ...
The false assumption is that Russia would think NATO would attack Russia from Ukraine. NATO would have no interest in trying to invade Russia. Would any country want to invade Russia? I guess their oil reserves could be an attraction, but the cost of an invasion in money and lives would far outweigh the value of the oil, and it would be very unlikely outside forces would be able to conquer Russia.
The threat would be biological weapons and internal dissent, leading to (ta-da!) REGIME CHANGE.
Remember that it has been revealed that the Ukrainian army was preparing for a massive attack against the Donbass, to wipe out the ethnic Russian population. This had been timed for something like February 28th. Russia invaded on February 24th.
Revealed by whom?
I am sorry to say I don't recall a specific source. I do recall it being commented on in several places that I read, without much fuss or objection being made about the allegation. It was surprising news, but it surely would have explained the timing of Putin's move. I think that must have been why such a large Ukrainian armed force had been gathered near the Donbass.
Putin jumped first, quickly got to Kiev, and pinned those forces in place so they couldn't reinforce anyone, and had the rest of the invasion proceed along the east and southern borders to consolidate the Lugansk and Donetsk, hold key cities, and attain some of the main objectives. Now they are in Phase II, the encirclement of the UKR forces in the Donbass and wearing them down in a "cauldron" of barrage.
Interesting. Thanks 👍🏼
Exactly. The cabal was using the Ukraine because they were on the border of Russia to try to destabilize Russia from within. They did the same tactics with the country of Georgia and funding the chechnya rebels.
There are a lot of factors here, not just one.
And I don't think NATO makes any decisions. It is a treaty.
Remember the Cuban Missile Crisis? We came within an inch of nuclear war because we didn't want Russian missiles in Cuba.
Russia is in trouble. They are losing population at a fast rate. Their economy is based on oil and gas, much of it pumped through Ukraine.
People act like Putin is a nutjob, but the reality is that if they did nothing they would be in serious trouble as a nation.
Yes, even NewsMax is putting a hawkish spin on this. It reads as though Russia is the aggressors and is preparing to expand their conflict in Ukraine.
Its EXACTLY the opposite. This is clearly RU warning its citizens that the WEST is hellbent on starting WWIII.
NewsMax has been trash since the election. The stopped reporting the election was stolen .
Litmus test for credibility
Yes, to h3ll with them.
H3ll yeah fren
They were threatened...
And their main guy seems to be good friends with open pedophile Chrissy Tiegen.
As the other guy said newsmax was just an attempt to recapture the fox news customers they abandoned on election night.
That's all it is. Every neocon I know watches newsmax and says fox news is stupid and gay. They also refuse to watch OAN.
Wondering that now myself
I'm more scared of our own government launching nuclear weapons than Russia or China... All this seems too forced and staged to be real or organic. Wasn't there a story or something that rumors of Trump not turning over the codes and football? It would be a travesty if our government allowed someone as mentally competent as Joe or Harris to be anywhere near the codes..
the u.s. has become the crazy ex girlfriend on the world stage. gaslighting and provocating until ....WWIII.
And she’s got our debit cards.
indeed! I didn't know you were a U.S. citizen.... thought the flag went to a norse country
love the berserker reference!
Norwegian American 👍🏼
my mother's nana was an (indentured?) servant from Sweden at the age of 12. came here not knowing the language and working as a maid from the start.
Wow. My Great Great Grandfather came over and began his own tailor shop in Chicago, siring a huge family I don’t know. Mostly in the midwest I hear. REAL IMMIGRANTS.
the sacrifices our forefathers (and foremothers) made to start a life is truly amazing. My grandfather was the first u.s. born of his siblings -- the first 12 born in portugal. they were fruit pickers. still trying to figure out my white privilege ;)
All part of bringing us to the Brink for the Great Awakening?
I didn't think it was working until insaw this black chick crying and begging forgiveness for voting biden and pining for trumps return. Admitted she and all who voted biden fucked up. So maybe the squeeze is on.
Yeah….
Got a link? I’d love to share this to already seething NPCs in denial, their increasing projection when they show them stuff like this is entertaining.
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This May 9th narrative is all over the news. The cabal is setting something up.
https://nypost.com/2022/05/01/us-military-would-be-allowed-to-fight-if-russia-uses-nukes-other-wmds-resolution/
If they get this passed (of course they will), they are one false flag chemical attack from full US involvement in this wag the dog war on our sensibilities. They will use this May 9th narrative to confuse and conflate, to use the Peoples cold war memories against us, and force us into a war we do not want and can not win (of course that may be the point).
They have done this before with Saddam and in Syria. And of course the American Sheeple fell for it hook, line and sinker.
I have an employee who is redpilled to almost everything thats been happening for the last 7 years. He isnt the sharpest tool in the shed but he has been awake. He has fallen hard for the cold war, Russia is the enemy narrative, in this Ukraine Hollywood production.
The question is why would Russia use any WMD just a few miles from their own border, with prevailing winds carrying anything directly towards Moscow, a mere 250 miles away from the Ukraine border, when they are clearly winning and overmatch the Ukraine military by orders of magnitude?
Russia wouldnt, so why would this resolution by neocons be necessary? Only to set a narrative that leads to direct involvement by our military and the start of the hot war portion of WW3.
That's why they are desperate to make normies think Ukraine is winning the war. Sets the state for their false flag to be eaten up and justify their war Reichstag fire/911 style.
Kinzinger is ASS DEEP in treasonous acts and was with No Name and Linda Graham on many of the visits and coordination with our previous proxy army of ISIS. I can’t believe he is still around TBH.
I thought Putin put the May 9th date out there, it’s the date they were victorious over Germany in WWII. https://www.dnaindia.com/world/report-can-russia-end-war-with-ukraine-by-may-9-this-could-be-the-reason-putin-zelenskyy-g-7-nato-unga-fighter-jets-2941998
Makes sense, USA is fighting by proxy (Ukraine) anyways.
Well shit. Little ol Ukraine killed 20 thousand Russians single handedly.
Seems to me they don't need any help.
President Trump, what ever you gotta do to keep our troops home. DO IT!
And the "Ghost of Kiev" has 45 confirmed kills.
No..no they're not. This is all a pre planned game and it's not going to result in direct east/west war. They need to stop with the war hawking shit. Biden's illegitimate regime is NOT in control and this wont be allowed to happen.
I believe this as well. But I’m not attached to outcome. If a wmd false flag happens and we send troops to Ukraine then whatever plan team Q set in motion has failed. Let’s see how it plays out.
There’s also the wild card of China and Taiwan.
NewsMax and WallStreetJournal are both rags.
Newsmax is like Michelle Obama. It is not what it appears to be...
Not buying it
Newsmax should stop reposting WSJ.
Why are we listening to Newsmax? They're about as reliable as Fox or CNN.
I listen to CNBC when I drive into work. Today, all I heard was Putin is going to use tactical nukes. WTF? When did this escalate to Nukes? They are pushing Nuclear war. I hope the white hats are truly in control. I do recall a post about nuclear scare I believe. Forgive me, I do not have the post number, nor is my search feature working when I try to search the archives.
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I do not support the U.S. or NATO in this endeavor under any circumstances.
Absolutely. 100 percent. Full stop.
You don't use nuclear weapons against your next-door neighbor. You contaminate yourself by proxy. Most intelligent people know this, so it's an obvious plot to scare us into letting them "keep us safe".
I can imagine lots of hypersonic missile attacks on key targets, but definitely nothing nuclear or chemical or biological: too close to home. Besides, not Putin's intent.
Hot flash time: they've always been ready... nothing new here.
Understatement. And so have we. I fukkin hate fear porn.
Exactly.
Gotta love how often msm, wsj, whomever uses the phrase “state run media”. RT & TASS have more truth than over 90% of the msm outlets do. Pathetic.
ill take 500 for what is a crock of shit alex
Fucking asshats haven’t heard one of them including the weak ass republicans push for peace or cease fire. Just Putin is bad and ukraine is saintly and here is more weapons and money
What's the point of this article?
What information was I supposed to get from it?
Why is it stickied?
Dont think very deeply do ya?
Not sure what you mean by that.
This article gives no new information, no new insight, no succinct summary of an overly complicated topic, nothing.
What the point? Just some guy needing to pump another story so he points out some obvious shit that even libs already know
I highly, highly doubt it.
I can certainly see, from my observations on how this Russia/Ukraine War has played, how World Wars get started.
No they aren't.
Debonked.
Let's all be clear on one thing... if... IF... the US military directly confronts the Russian military based on the Russian performance in Ukraine so far with bio/chem/nukes completely off the table Russia would lose BADLY. Sure the Russians have been accomplishing their goals and inflicting plenty of casualties but they've been taking hella casualties to do it and taking way more time than anyone expected. One thing stands out loud and clear. Russia is no longer a 1st world military. Their core small force is still 1st world but the bulk of their troops are poorly trained conscripts with shitty older equipment. In a real war their true 1st world army would be outnumbered and outgunned.
To me this is the scary part because when they start to lose they will turn to nukes and chem warfare to make up the difference and all hell will break lose.
I'm confused by a lot of the posts in this thread because a few months ago everyone was so excited about Putin taking out suspicious labs, possibly freeing children and women in sex trade.
The mood was so positive and certain, a lot of digging was done and theories abound.
So if the deep state can win immediately against Russia - that means Russia isn't really a white hat harming the deepstate - otherwise they would have already stopped Russia if it was true Ukraine is the head of the NWO and deep state assets.
It also means that our military is powerful, but then do the white hats really have control? If they are that strong and going against the allies of the white hats?
Is devolution really at play if we see US involvement in a war against Russia/Putin?
That would put to rest almost every theory floating on the boards right now about Putin accelerating white hat plans to uproot the NWO and deep state from Ukraine. And where would devolution be at this point? White hats and Trump in control but they will just let US get involved?
What, they'd let it happen for optics?
I can't keep up, would love some help and look forward to seeing our autists straighten this out.
I actually left this board for about a month because I got so sick of all the pro-Russia BS. Everyone grabbed hold of that narrative that Russia was the good guys and ran with it. They had no evidence other than assumptions they made up out of whole cloth by interpretations of Q posts that were a HUGE stretch.
I'm not sure what the truth really is. One thing I'm totally sure of is Putin is just as bad if not worse than(in some ways) the cabal. He might be working as a white-hat but if he was then wouldn't we be seeing the evidence? Wouldn't he have pictures of the human trafficking sites, the bio labs, etc etc. What he's just gathering it and isn't going to share anything with anyone?
The sad truth is I figured out the likely reason why everyone on this board went all in on the pro-Russia BS. A large number of people on this board are actually Russian. Q is a worldwide phenomenon and many Russians are quite internet savvy. Even if its only 10% once they started it everyone else jumped on the bandwagon. Which was sad to see sense normally this board is very even headed. Notice that when they didn't win in a few weeks they calmed down a little.
The issue of NATO being able to defeat Russia IS THE WHOLE PROBLEM. The reason Putin is attacking Ukrainian is he doesn't want NATO on his door step BECAUSE THEY ARE A THREAT... and he knows it.
Now... that said the cabal baited Putin into the fight. I think they thought they could beat Putin. They thought wrong. Its a proxy war and its pretty clear even though Russia is taking longer and is losing more men and equipment they are in fact winning.
All I was saying is if Russia is having trouble using its full force to win a proxy fight with a bunch of rednecks(with good gear) they would get smashed in a real NATO vs Russia fight.
Also remember that while the cabal has a lot of power they are not fully in control of all NATO countries and the only way they can use US firepower is if We The People accept their flimsy excuses. That might work in the middle east because muh terrorism, but attacking Russia is a whole other thing. If Biden actually started a fight like that on purpose he might find We The People dragging him out of his office and tossing him to the curb or worse.
I've yet to see a single drop of evidence that this Ukraine thing is anything other than cypts vs bloods fighting over territory. Its two groups of mafioso thugs slugging it out with a bunch of innocent civilians being used as pawns/bait/shields etc. Except instead of tec9s they are using AKs, RPGs, MBT, Migs, and missiles.
The fact that the thugs on both sides are government officials and/or their pawns just proves how messed up things really are ATM.
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I want to thank you for taking the time explaining a little more. It's really helped me understand from your point of view.
One thing is certain, is the cohesiveness of Q followers has remained because of the history we have watching the better days before the election. It's hard to let go of that feeling I had.
Everything after the election doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. I'm not that sold on the idea Putin is acting in favor of white hats either. I personally don't agree with the hysteria surrounding vaccines either, Q said not all vaccines are bad. You could say the same arguments when people blamed every death on Covid, was the same behavior as saying every death was caused by the vaccine, lol. Same thing to me.
Well, I enjoy these boards anyway. I have always held the possibility that things have been greatly exaggerated by imagination. For example democrats are killing babies, through support of abortion, but the rest is hyperbole.
I've seen a way more rational side of people lately here, which is good, because it was like the election hopes and the hope for a better world crushed a lot of people.
Don't be fooled. The vaccines are far worse than even some on here believe. The issue is they are a long slow death rather than a quick one. They might as well of injected people with live cancer cells. We are only witnessing the leading edge of the death toll caused by the covid vaccine.
As far as killing babies... I'd like to see the proof before a I pass final judgment, but I truly believe these lunatics capable of ritual human sacrifice etc etc. Narcissism gone mad can make people do some seriously insane shit.
The one thing about Putin that gets me is the cabal spent a LONG time baiting him into attacking. They antagonized him. So either they truly are a bunch of idiots or they had already removed/destroyed any incriminating evidence in Ukraine. If that's the case then how is Putin acting as a white-hat by going in and pointlessly wrecking the place? It makes no sense.
Well abortion is the single biggest distraction and both uniparty and cabal use it to divide. We are the only species that polices reproduction and attaches a value of social piety to it. Look up whales, great apes, bears, pandas, etc many other higher domain animals will infanticide for survival or if infants survival is not guaranteed. We have extremist Christians here pretending because a single case of a 20 week fetus surviving through the most advanced NICU in the world means aborting is murder. And then when confronted with the socialism question when it comes to abolishing abortion and the millions of unwanted babies, they have NO answer.
The vaccine is another thing. Some not all is implying you're not going to die getting a typhoid vaccine when traveling. It's pretty obvious the covid vaccine is nefarious based on Borla and Gates actions, the push on a municipal level, and the complete attempt at discrediting VAERS. did some people get saline? Yeah. Are some people hardy enough to make it past the initial spiking and metabolic damage? Yeah. It doesn't mean that our conviction the vaccine is bad isn't warranted. A hundred people dying is too much, considering covid itself is just another URI that only kills people who were already on death's door
And once again..it's social piety. Grandma, grandma. You're not evil if you think someone dying at 90 is no big deal. It's the natural course of things before Q day and also Jesus returning.
There's a lot of unjustified supposition in this comment. Where do you get the idea that the Russians are taking heavy casualties, disproportionate to objectives, poorly trained, and poorly equipped? Methinks you have been lapping up the media Kool-Aid. Few people understand what Putin is doing, so what does it mean when the ignorant don't expect to see what is happening?
I have read one insightful comment that has concluded that NATO (and by extension, the U.S.) are shitting in their pants, because their NATO-supplied and -trained protege' (Ukraine) is having its clock cleaned by the very Russians they supposed would be easy to stymie.
I watched a well made non-propaganda YT video that talked about how Russia has failed utterly to perform a proper air campaign. It explained how the US use wild weasel missions to break down enemy air defenses and destroy SAM sites. Russia did little of this. They have been operating under fire and taking loses. Mostly they just use long range missiles. Every time you hear about something important being blown up it wasn't from a bomb on a plane that flew over the target. It was a surface to surface missile or a long range cruise missile dropped from a plane 150+ km away. Why? Because while Ukraine isn't in control of the air space neither is Russia. That's not winning.
I've also seen plenty of video where Russian tanks are clearly being hit by missile and 90% of the time they do what you expect, the turret blows slap off because all the ammo goes off. That is a 3 man crew dead instantly. I've also seen several videos of Russian vehicles(SUV/Humvee type stuff) shot to shit and abandoned. Blood is all over the street, although the bodies are gone. So you think no one died?
No, its clear to me in the western MSM propaganda they highlight Russian casualties and skip over the Ukrainian ones. Its very likely that the rates are even 2 vs 1, meaning for every dead Russian there is two or even three(possibly more) dead Ukrainians but if you think the Russians are operating like the US did in Iraq were they lost like 500 men vs 100k dead Iraqs you need to ship me some of what your smoking because its some seriously good stuff. I don't normally do drugs but sounds like what you are smoking is too good to pass up.
Bottom line if Russia has killed 20k Ukrainians even at 3 to 1 that 6-7k dead Russians. How many blown up tanks/APCs? How many downed helicopters etc etc? Dozens? Maybe hundreds of tanks. I'm not saying Russia is getting its ass kicked. I'm saying they are having to actually fight and take casualties against a bunch of rednecks with good gear. Actual soldiers would be wtfpwning the Russians is the logical conclusion.
If Russia was a real fully equipped 1st world military like the US Army(at least used to be pre-Obama) the fight would already be over. Russia would have air superiority and would have bombed the Ukrainian military into dust. Instead they merely contest the airspace and are clearly taking significant casualties on the ground. The fact they are making progress and causing heavy casualties isn't surprising. Fighting NATO the same way would result in them running out of troops in a matter of weeks. Translation, they don't stand a chance in hell against even half of NATO being fully committed.
Just a quick reply. Russia has air superiority, at least enough to be able to use it at will, to operate Su-25s and their attack helicopters. They've wiped out the Ukrainian air force. UKR is putting airplanes aloft that have been patched together from storage. There is no "contest." Ukrainian air fields have been hit. The Ukrainians may operate something out of western Ukraine, but that's a long ways from where the action is. But why bother with aircraft when you have rocket barrage weapons of equal or better accuracy? They give much less warning to the target. And ground weapons can be integrated with ground-based intelligence to clue them in to the right targets. This is particularly necessary when fighting against an adversary that prefers human shield tactics. You have to shoot only where the shooting comes from.
Were they indeed Russian tanks, though? Was it even footage taken in Ukraine? (The UKRs have been known to substitute footage from Syria as being from Ukraine.) The Russians have admitted to losing maybe ~200 tanks, but have destroyed ~2,000 Ukrainian ones. Russian casualties were about 5,000-6,000 (~1500 dead) and their count of Ukrainian casualties was ~20,000 total (maybe 10,000 dead).
One Russian goal is the elimination of Ukrainian military combat capability, by destruction or surrender of forces, and destruction of fixed and mobile assets. They have a long list of weapons depots, ammo dumps, and fuel reserves that they have destroyed, including the 2 (or 3) fuel refineries in Ukraine. The UKR army has nothing to shoot, very little to move with, and no fuel with which to move. They are fixed in place. The Russians first pinned them down, and now the main battle will be an encirclement of the 60,000-man Ukrainian main force in the Donbass in a "cauldron," where they will be pounded into submission or destruction.
To the contrary, they are making child's play of a NATO protege' armed with NATO weapons and trained in NATO interoperability tactics, and this makes NATO nervous. I think it was Colonel Douglas MacGregor (who commanded a tank formation during Gulf War II) who praised this operation as being very skillfully planned and executed. They are placing more emphasis on attainment of goals than adherence to a schedule. Americans are too impatient, and they therefore misjudge what they are given to see (the news from Ukraine and the Western powers is all corrupt at the source).
The fact that both sides lie constantly makes it hard for us to know the truth.
The Ukrainians are clearly still firing SAMs at Russian planes/helo. Thus Russia doesn't control the airspace in any way. Control is not just about jets and runways.
None of this negates my original theory. The Ukrainians didn't have half the training US Army does. They also have VERY different equipment and strategy. Yes, Russia is winning the proxy fight but they shouldn't just be winning. It should be a total route with very few casualties. Instead the ATGMs MANPADs etc are proving very effective at creating casualties. US Army would also be using MLRS, 155mm, and other stuff that the Ukrainians lost in the first week through the whole fight. Throw is some F-22s and Russia just doesn't stand a chance. To think otherwise is foolish.
The only difference is Russia is good enough that it would create casualties on our side not seen sense Vietnam. They would still lose.
You are just assuming that both sides lie. Ukraine has been shown to be lying. There is no evidence that the Russians are lying, only a disparity between their numbers and Ukraine's numbers. To say that Western observers support the Ukraine numbers is only to say that the West, who created the Ukraine corruption swamp, has a vested interest in sticking to the narrative that they are helping to create.
In any case, the Russian casualties at last note were ~5,000 (~1,500 dead), while their count for Ukrainians, whose bodies they are collecting and counting in the field, is more on the order of ~20,000 (~10,000 dead). Essentially all the Ukrainian armor and aircraft are destroyed. Their ammo dumps and fuel depots are destroyed, so they are out of fires and mobility. The West throws in weapons and the Russians collect them as trophies off the field, unfired, abandoned by fleeing Ukrainians, and being remanded to the Donetsk forces for their armament. The Russians have no problem using their UAVs, Su-25s, and attack helicopters (beyond the reach of any Ukraine aircraft operating from western Ukraine). Currently, Russia has encircled ~60,000 Ukrainian troops in a "cauldron" where they will be attritted by artillery or desertions---until they surrender or are finally destroyed.
I think you are right, NATO is having kittens about Russian tactics and weaponry. The idea that Russia is a second rate military is nonsense, ever since we saw how they deployed their air force over Syria we knew that.
Their bombers did round the clock attacks with seemingly no aircraft maintenance downtime at all, that isn't anything we could do.
As for nukes? They don't need nukes, they have charge cluster/EVO weapons as we do, all they have to do is open up a few select geological faults and that's it. But as the Sniffer in Chief isn't boss of the US military at all Russia can only win.
I read the works of Viktor Suvorov on the subject of the Russian military. Very tough dudes. No margin for weaklings or the faint of heart. The Russians have an attitude about combat, and once you understand it, one respects it. Very pragmatic. Very realistic. Unsentimental, without being unfeeling.
Without the US mil backing NATO, they can go and spin.
All casualties incurred in NATO countries will cause riots among the populous and they'll be fighting two fronts.
What infuriates me is these globalists trying to drag the west into conflict with another sovereign country simply because it is resisting the globalist movement. The leftist politicians have everyone believing Ukraine is the victim in this, when the reality is that all the “aid” being requested goes to the Cabal to protect the corrupt interests of those in cahoots with them. Biden doesn’t want millions to help the Ukrainian people - he wants it to cover his own crimes.
One thing is for sure, we have no way of knowing what is really happening, what the real motives of the players are, and of course, what the ending will be.
Don’t forget that the reason Russia went into Cuba was because the US put nuclear missiles in Turkey. What stopped the Cuba Missile crisis was Kennedy agreeing to remove missiles from Turkey. Which we did. Again, the US is the aggressor in the Ukraine. Now, i reserve the right to be wrong, that the US has intelligence that Russia has a big expansion plan and we are preempting it. Okay, let’s see real evidence, not fake WOMD like in Iraq. Just like not trusting FDA, CDC, I personally don’t trust this admin or any fed agency. Where’s the beef? All I see is fake burgers!
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