Kushner cleared over 2 billion in post presidency deal while ivanka made 640 million.
If The Trump family is saving the country this is a pretty backwards way of going about it.
How is this not corruption in the trump presidency and laundering money through his family in basically the same way the biden crime family did?
Edit: Strange that is such an outrage over a legitimate topic. Almost as when twitter bots unanimously attack a target. Id say we're over target with this one.
You have to look near the bottom of this thread for any legitimate posts. Buried by childish rage, willfully ignorant posters, and a conceited, self righteous, egomaniac mod whos attacking his own community.
Kushner's family are open zionists. Trump pardoned kushners father. Trump's daughter is married to a zionist, globalist, jew. Who just recieved a 2 billion dollar investment through his fathers presidential connections. The crime family just changed faces. If people can curb their man crush on trump and consider what is really happening here for a second.
People seem to be under this impression that this is unusual. It's not. Their entire business revolves around commercial real estate. Kushner (The company, not Jared) typically invests in a mixture of mid and high tier markets (Everything from Rural Mississippi to Manhattan). The higher end buildings are VERY expensive. Those are the type of investments where you typically can't get a single loan to cover all of your costs.
This is where "alternative funding" comes into play. And EVERYONE in this business does it. It's REALLY common for sovereign wealth funds, insurance companies, private equity funds, etc. to allocate large amounts of money to commercial real estate developers in place of conventional mortgage companies. At that point it's less of a leveraged investment and more a commercial syndication, but I'm getting technical now.
Basically, CRE developers use these types of investors instead of taking out a half a dozen large mortgages from various lenders, because they're the only ones that can throw around that level of cash and be happy with a lower return. They're typically not looking for massive returns, they're looking for low-mid sized returns that are SUPER stable and reliable. And real estate, specifically commercial real estate in American population centers, is one of the safest, and most stable cash flowing assets in the world. Even in the current economic climate, Office, the currently most distressed CRE asset class, is still at roughly 80% occupancy and growing as people are forced back to the office by their employers. (Anyone telling you office is dead is fooling themselves, but that's an entirely different conversation).
So this isn't unusual, it's just more media hype to make it look like Trump and his family are doing something evil and unethical by following the industry norms.
Every city in America, and I mean all of them, especially the supposed most prosperous, have thousands upon thousands of empty 10,000 sq ft + office spaces. These buildings are all empty from the second floor up. It's all a money laundering scheme. There are tons of videos on this, but you don't even need that because you can look at it yourself. New York city, Los Angeles, Seattle, Dallas, Chicago. Abandoned buildings everywhere with just the first or second floor occupied. We have unlimited real estate. We can house everyone and offer businesses dirt cheap rent, but that's not allowed. Real Estate is a complete ponzi scheme. If we stopped printing money, this would get revealed and it would crash to reality and become a depreciating asset, as it should be because they need to all be maintained and refurbished every few decades.
Forgive the late reply but I DO have to sleep at some point. First of all, 10K square foot is VERY small for an office building, so it may only be 2 stories, 3 or 4 max if it's a more narrow building. Second of all, yes there ARE abandoned building in every major city. They're called distressed assets, and the reason they stay that way is because more often than not, it's not economical to renovate them for a variety of reasons (Too old and need a lot of updating, bad area of the city, structural damage, hazardous materials like black mold, etc. etc.) without some form of subsidization. Hence, developers need an incentive to take on those uneconomic projects in order for it to make sense. Remember, this is a BUSINESS for most people, not a charity.
Second of all, we don't have unlimited real estate. That's literally the reason it's valuable. There's a limited amount available and a limited growth potential because God isn't making more land any time soon. Third, no we can't house everyone and offer dirt cheap rent. Contrary to what some seem to think, real estate isn't a charity. It's a business. No one is going to build or renovate a building for millions of dollars, especially with a mortgage, and then turn around charge $50-200 a month for rent. That's not enough to cover utilities, repairs, the mortgage, etc. etc. You'd go bankrupt in a year or less. It's actually ALLOWED, contrary to what you seem to believe, but no one in their right mind will do it without incentives (This is why section 8 housing and Low Income Housing Tax Credit properties exist. But there's a limited amount of government funding for such programs).
Going further there are also OTHER problems with this suggestion. It's not like companies haven't explored Office to Multifamily conversions before. Unlike hotels, it's not economical in 99% of cases. First of all, there's zoning. If it's not zoned right you're legally not allowed to do so. Then there's the cost. Office buildings are BUILT different to Multifamily buildings. The ceiling heights are different, the plumbing is OBVIOUSLY different given most have an open or semi open floor plan (This is often the biggest factor in killing possible conversions), and of course there's also fire codes. Office buildings have different fire codes, and as such would have to be completely gutted and renovated from the ground up around existing infrastructure (which wasn't designed for this purpose) in order to incorporate new plumbing for the housing units, lowered ceiling for heating/cooling efficiency (No one wants a $400 heating/cooling bill) and a completely different fire suppression system than it was designed for. Things like this is why Office to Multifamily conversions are so rare. By the time you do it, there's no money to be made and you've probably lost several 10s of millions in the process.
Finally, I'll address your odd claim that real estate would suddenly stop appreciating after the federal reserve is done away with and we stop printing money at the drop of a hat. This is completely false. Real estate is both an appreciating AND depreciating asset, and has been for all of history. The BUILDINGS depreciate since they need maintenance, occasional renovation, updating, etc. etc. as you pointed out. The LAND on the other hand is an appreciating asset. As I said earlier, God isn't making any more land any time soon, and there's a limited amount. Once you build something on it, that land can no longer be used for something else. When you're talking about places with a high population density (NYC for example) that land is even more valuable since there's an absurdly high demand, but essentially no supply.
This is why most nations have a system that allow real estate to simultaneously Appreciate and Depreciate at the same time. It's really two assets used in tandem. Japan, for example, has a rather unique system where they require real estate investors to separate the value of their properties into land and building and they depreciate the value of the building for tax purposes. Obviously this is easier said than done and really complicated due to the speculation involved, hence why they're essentially the only nation that uses this system.
So no, pretty much everything you said was wrong in some way, and if I'm honest, sounded like a mild troll given you're basically copying what those landlord hate subreddits parrot to each other. I won't claim that's what's going on, since you might just be legitimately ignorant on the topic (Not like everyone is well versed in the details of the international commercial real estate industry), but you're basically wrong on every point you made.
I was going to cite the hundreds of YouTube videos that show this, but really, you don't even need to do that. You people have a major disconnection with urban populations. You can drive through any city in America and you can randomly walk by any building over 6 stories and it is guaranteed to have half of its interiors unoccupied. Hell, even the new one world tower that replaced the world trade center is less than 50% occupied. This isn't even debatable. It's right in front of our eyes. Yes, a small percentage of commercial real estate can be and is distressed, but it can still be rented out as storage, yet much of it is still on the market. And you can't cite lawsuits because they are clearly looking for tenants but asking for too much and would sit on it for decades if they have to and they have! You're clearly a shill upvoting your own post. This thread isn't stickied or on the front page in the past 24 hours yet you've gotten all of those upvotes out of nowhere. I and others here will be watching you carefully. By no means is your post dangerous but you're clearly trying to push a narrative that simply doesn't exist. We have plenty of land and plenty out housing, how else do you think Florida, with half the population density of California, has far cheaper real estate? Supply and demand and laws which govern the peoples ability to build. Not scarcity of land.
Uh huh, well I'll be honest I've been confused about why I keep getting upvotes on this post after a literal day of it being on here. I kind of assumed it has to do with OP mentioning this in another post he made today as "Part 1" and people looking his history and coming to this thread. Though it was stickied for several hours as you can see from the literal second top comment of the Mod Catsfive. So that partially answers why you're wrong about that.
But that's besides the point. I can see you're stuck in your own little world, I won't call you a shill since as far as I can tell you don't have any "shillish" behavior or history, but since you essentially are telling me I'm lying while also ignoring the biggest problem in your argument (Zoning, incompatible building design, and fire codes) I can see nothing I say will change your mind.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/giacomotognini/2021/09/10/larry-silverstein-durst-oculus-20-years-and-20-billion-after-911-the-world-trade-center-is-still-a-work-in-progress/?sh=13e0da0361d2
There's an article (Granted it's an MSM article but still proves my point) that proves that pre plandemic, the specific building you're referring to, the One World Trade Center, was 90% leased. That's not ideal for a $20 Billion project, but still a extremely far cry from the picture you're painting. A 40% difference in fact. The same is true for most office buildings. They generally hover around 90-95% occupancy unless they're a single tenant property in which case it's obviously 100%. Even after the plandemic, office is still hovering around 80-85% nationally, meaning it's essentially been recovered. Companies aren't going to give up on office space, it's a tax write off, and a BIG one at that. So they're far more likely to force a hybrid work model and keep their offices at a bare minimum.
The next point I'll address. You claim you can rent out distressed properties for storage space. So I'm assuming you're fine with having all of your worldly possessions stored in a shady run down building that looks like a crack den where you may or may not be mugged or stabbed while checking on whatever you collect and store there? Seems to be what you're suggesting. I don't know about you, btut that's not exactly an prime business model unless you want to be the self storage equivalent of a slum lord and pay stupidly big insurance premiums because of all the crimes and assaults that happen on your property. That's also ignoring some buildings may just be straight up condemned due to things like black mold or structural degradation making them unsafe for ANY use.
Now onto your claim about land and housing. No, no we don't. There's a limited amount of land that we can allocate to urbanization. There's a reason city limits exist. NYC is limited to the NYC city limits, otherwise they'd just keep constantly expanding across the state of New York. There's a reason for this. The biggest one is farm/ranch land and nature preserves. The food we eat has to come from somewhere. If you take over every single bit of land for urbanization, then eventually you lose all of your agricultural capacity as a nation. The second reason, is the existence of suburbs. A city can only grow so far out before it hits the suburbs that have developed around it. At that point the only way to continue growing the city outwards is to seize the private property of citizens against their will "for the greater good". And if you're going to say you support that (which I hope you don't) then you're no better than the literal communist leftists we're fighting.
Florida vs. California actually is an interesting comparison, especially considering Miami is now, as of 2022, the official most unlivable city in the nation because of the cost of living and population density being higher than any other city in the United states sans NYC. That's because, despite only actually having roughly 450K people give or take, Miami is a VERY physically small city. Only 56 square miles if you want a number. LA on the other hand has a little over 3.8 Million people, but they're spread out over 560 square miles because LA is a physically larger city. All of these factors combined actually result in Miami and LA having near identical housing and rental statistics (Prices, percentage of renters, rent rates, etc.) because they have a very similar population density, housing demand, and land scarcity in the cities proper. This also disproves your "Florida housing is cheaper" argument. You have to compare apples to apples. Comparing a nicer house in Tallahassee or Pensacola to San Fran or LA is apples to oranges because the statistics don't compare at all. Compare LA and San Fran to Miami and Orlando/Tampa, and it's a much better comparison and paints a different picture from what you're claiming.
As for your last accusation, by all means, stalk my posts. Not like I care or have anything to hide. I'm pretty blunt and direct in just about everything I say or do on here. I couldn't care less about you living a delusional world where I'm a shill, and every skyscraper in north america is empty because the greedy fat cats don't want to bankrupt themselves by spending the GDP of Japan and Germany combined to convert them all into apartment buildings.
I think its more of a legal international money laundering operation, and our big time developers love it. Where else can you get money where the investor of laundered funds only wishes that their be a return at the end of the day. The investors alternative choice is to keep the money in country and risk having it all confiscated. Lots of Asian money building "see through building" in all major cities, and they do not care.
See my reply to u/Mandigo as to why they were downvoted and are wrong on essentially every point. As for the homeless people, they're not exactly the most "reliable" sources of information given most of them have some form of mental disorder, drug addiction, etc. etc. They'll say basically anything if they think it'll get them something. Obviously that's not true of EVERY homeless person, but there's a reason California cities have the highest homeless population. They literally travel there because California essentially pays them exist and enables their drugs habits and mental disorders.
Trump Adviser Kushnerās Undisclosed Partners Include Goldman and Soros
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-adviser-jared-kushner-didnt-disclose-startup-stake-1493717405
I'm surprised by this as well. Must be Chinese bots on this site or something. Jokes on them, we can see everything because there just aren't that many posters on here.
I'll give the benefit of doubt but my whoever smelt it dealt it sense is ringing off the hook.
This has been the only legitimate, non snowflake, critical thinking response so far. Thank you for that.
The problem i have is that this is EXACTLY the hunter biden situation. Trump's son-in-law receives a 2 billion dollar investment deal through his fathers saudi connections with little to no investment experience?
And they say only crooks get rich in politics.
You're welcome, I don't like getting into my personal life on here for obvious reasons, but this is a topic I'm rather knowledgeable about for a variety of reasons. Though I will build on this given you keep pointing out the comparison to hunter biden.
I can see how one would come to that conclusion with no background information, so let met give a little bit. Trump and his family, including Jared, have looked to middle eastern and Nordic sovereign wealth funds as a means of funding their larger projects for more than a decade before he ever ran for president. If I remember correctly, Trump actually used his connections with the Qatar sovereign wealth fund to functionally buy a majority stake that he controlled in the Empire State Building at one point, before selling it off after the people who held the rest of the building stake refused to sell the rest to him.
Likewise, Kushner (The company, not Jared) has had ties to the Qatar and if I remember correctly, Emirate (UAE) sovereign wealth funds as well as the Norwegian sovereign wealth fund for decades now. Those three funds, along with investment visas, have been the favored method of funding their various projects since at least the late 90s. It basically allows them to assume a minimal amount of actual debt, by acting as a commercial syndication company.
Without letting my finance nerdery get ahead of me, it basically means they get paid a fee for managing the projects (hence why they have Westminster Property Management as a subsidiary since they can't legally subcontract it out to say, Greystar or CBRE) and if they put any of their own money in the project then they get a cut of the profits as well.
That's how Kushner (the company) controls nearly 8 billion dollars in assets, but all of the family members have a collective net worth of roughly 1.7 billion dollars with little to no debt between all of them. Private equity real estate is complicated and hard to explain because its a VERY niche and specialized sub market with special rules and regulations, but that's a VERY basic explanation of how all of this works.
So with all of that being said, it's not really accurate to compare this to hunter biden being paid off by Burisma when he had little to no experience. While Jared himself may not be super experienced in this specific niche, the family company IS experienced and has the qualified staff to manage it properly. CRE fund managers rarely involve themselves in the day to day stuff. They typically just pick a market to invest in, and allocate funds as needed according to the goals of the funds investors while letting their various underlings handle all the paperwork and actual development.
I may have ventured off into my finance nerdery in a few places, but I hope that clears up a few things about the situation and why it's not exactly abnormal (especially given decades old associations) and why it's not really comparable to the hunter biden case.
Anons teaching a rookie. Fascinating and good work Anon. I also enjoyed the geeky dig in. It served your point well! :) :)
i know ..that was awesome
I love all real estate nerd shit! Thank you!
Are you talking about the financial and investment stuff? Cause if so it's not exactly some closely held industry secret. The basic info is all over the internet. I tend to refer people to investopedia.com if they want to learn more about financial literacy and specific terms. It's basically an investing encyclopedia. If you're wanting more info on private equity real estate specifically, that's a bit harder to find given it's such a niche industry. Investopedia has several articles related to it, and there's also certain youtube channels that will sometimes explain bits of it (Bigger Pockets for example), but overall you won't find much detailed info because it's not an industry focused on large customer bases.
Most funds have maybe 5-10 client investors at most. And most of the time these aren't individuals, they're "Whales" (large institutional investors like Insurance Companies, Sovereign Wealth Funds, Hedge Funds, Family Offices, etc. etc.) So they aren't required to publish publicly available reports. They only have to put out the bare minimum required by the SEC.
Now having said all of that, if you're wanting to learn more about financial literacy and real estate specifically, I'd have to recommend starting with lower expectations since you're probably never going to get into this level of market, at least not without years of work or connections.
I'd recommend watching some youtube videos by Graham Stephen, Ben Mallah, and Manny Khoshbin (his real estate videos, though the car videos are cool too). They're all low-mid tier real estate and Commercial Real Estate investors who generally explain things in a really blunt direct manner as compared to a charlatan like, for example, Grant Cardone.
I will say this though, one of the biggest mistakes most people make when they get into commercial real estate is they think people will get a 30 year mortgage and sit back on ALL properties. That's very rare, most developers will get a 5 year mortgage, amortized over 30 years or at interest only. Spend 3 or 4 years collecting rent, and then sell the appreciated building in year 4 or 5, pay off their debt and use the proceeds in what's called a 1031 exchange to legally defer taxes so long as you invest all profits in another property within 6 months of the selling date.
The problem with books is that often they're written with a motive of making money off the book itself, or selling a course, etc. etc. So I tend to recommend people just look for others (Like the three youtube channels I mentioned) as an example since they know what they're doing, and just do the whole "teaching" thing on the side for fun.
No problem, I'd probably try to explain in more detail if I had the time, or if there was an Anon Finance 101 thread, but that's brief bit of info is about all I can come up with off the top of my head and at a moments notice.
That is definitely an interesting take that i will have to dig into a little further. But the whole things seems very off putting. Considering the current events and what we believe to be happening.
Many here believed that kushner was in gitmo and pictures of ivanka with no ring on surfaced. But here they are getting filthy rich off their fathers connections.
Are we still to believe that kushner is a good guy in the bigger picture?
Personally, I never really bought into the whole Kushner's in Gitmo thing. Honestly? I don't even think any of Trumps kids (or in law in Kushner's case) are in on the plan. I think they MIGHT have been shown a sneak peak of what laid behind the curtain to wake them up and have them cut off certain ties and business relationships (soros and the clintons for example). But I really don't think any of them are privy to anything high tier. They're probably just a single rung higher than us on the ladder in what they know and have been allowed to see.
Wrong. Kushner didn't gain it's wealth off Trump. Do dig a bit.
You cant ignore trumps connections to Mohammed bin Salman Al Saud. Specially here on a Q site that believes the q team saved the prince from an assassination attempt.
True. Kushner is in that circle of financiers with or without Trump. The connect certainly a plus.
Who here believed that?
I've seen several of your posts today and in many of you are very assumption driven and know or at least exhibit little to no actual knowledge about the things your speaking of. Coupled with seemingly little to no knowledge about this community itself. Just regurgitated talking points from MSM.
It was universally accepted back when kushner hadnt been seen in a while. Then his appearance significantly changed and pictures of Ivanka not wearing her wedding ring popped up.
Just type "Kushner" into the search on this site. You'll see countless posts on his body doubles, the buying of the 666 address in NY, his ties to soros money, etc etc.
Just because youre out of the look doesnt give you the right to attack others based on your personal ignorance.
universally accepted? ...more assumptions
I cant help it you haz the dumb bruh
LOL nice one OP š¤£š (not that Iāve seen)
It was a long running deal, back when people were tracking flights to gitmo, etc. Some weird occurrences around Kushner. His appearance changed noticeably. Then photos of ivanka without a wedding ring appeared. So many assumed kushner, the zionist jew, was arrested and a body double was in his place.
Thats how easy things get memory holed around here. There is no attention span. Only hurry onto the next topic.
You don't have a very solid understanding of the Hunter Biden situation, at all, if you think Kushner and Ivanka getting paid for a business deal is "the exact same" as what Hunter was doing with our US tax dollars being laundered to him, and 'the big guy.'
Kushner joins Afinity, (burisma), a private equity firm with no experience in private equity, like hunter with energy. Both profit greatly through their father's connections.
Insert "these two images are the same" meme.
Not the same. https://www.law.com/dailybusinessreview/2022/01/20/jared-kushners-investment-firm-hires-former-trump-staffers/?slreturn=20220312153254
Kushner has experience with big money investments from his prior job. And Affinity was not even a company until after the 2020 election, with the deal being made 6 months after Trump was out of office. You clearly do not understand what influence peddling is, and therefore cannot see that Kushners deal is in no way illegal.
However, even if you could show proof that Trump used US tax payer money to legally fund Affinity it still would not qualify as anything illegal because the deal happened after Trump was out of office. Therefore, no influence peddling, and not the same as the Hunter&Big Guy Burisma deal.
He has zero experience with investments. Thats even stated on his wiki. He founded the private equity firm AFTER trumps presidency. Then only a couple months later receives billions. You dont find that strange for a new start up to receive that kind of money and from people with those kind of connections?
Follow the money.
Kushner has long ties with soros money, the saudis, his father was a long term democrat party donor who went to prison for dirty dealing with the dem party.
If anyone else had done this we would burn them at the stake. Why does the trump family get a pass for massive kick backs?
Here i made a part 2. https://greatawakening.win/p/15HImBQOnL/over-target-kushner-and-ivanka-c/
The article I linked clearly states that Kushner was real estate investor prior to moving to the new company.
I don't trust Kushner either. But whatever it is that you are trying to accuse whoever of doing whatever is most certainly not "the same thing" as what Biden and his family were doing through Burisma.
That means you need to cut out the mouthy bullshit, and clearly state what specific crimes you are alleging, and specifically against whom. All this "same thing" crap is vague. Cut the crap, and name charges, and perpetrators.
Go google the definition of the term "real estate" then go google the term "private equity".
Now understand that those two things are nothing a like.
Kushner had founded a firm in private equity for the first time in his life, 5 months later he receives an investment of 2 BILLION DOLLARS, thats $2,000,000,000.
From a saudi prince that him and trump's policies only 6 months prior significantly helped him. They created an entire regime change and placed this prince in charge. 6 months later he invests 2 bil with them.
Come the fuck on now.
And fuck off? Im tired of a hundred bots spamming and ruining my threads. Intentionally derailing my thread with insults and circular argument. That wasnt by accident. All while the mods do nothing, they do more than nothing they join in on the derailing and insults. Unbelievable.
Yep a lib would try to insert them into the same meme even though they are clearly not, that is what they do...
Why is this stickied?? Because the worst thing that can happen to a shill POS is to get exactly what they want.
Release the hounds!
Can we deport him now, boss?
kek ;-)
Hmm. Do you think he's sufficiently tenderized, yet? šøšš
I said mean things about you, I'm sorry; this is top tier sticky material.
that did it... im done...going to bed.lmfao
Cut the self righteous bs. If you have nothing constructive to add to the conversation then see yourself out.
The entire world is talking about these deals but people like you push a narrative. You are no better than anderson cooper. Stickying every single one of your own posts like a psychopath. Seriously you need to do some soul searching.
Fella, you wanted discussion and were obliged.....what is the problem shill?
Youre ok with a mod calling a long time member a shill pos because of a discussion?
You people are sick.
Like your other distortions of truth, you have not been here that long and have contributed little if nothing......Your motive is obvious ....
long time member? 98 days constitutes a long time member?
Like i just stated, ive been here since the beginning. Since the migration from the donald. Do you even know about that or has it always been GA to you? Maybe take it back a peg or two.
I can see why you were banned before. (if in fact you were)
You are a shill here trying to derail legitimate efforts.
Does 98 days feel like a long time to try and ingrain yourself into the community? Does it feel like a waste now that you've been outed? Are you part of the dime a post Soros brigade? Do you get penalized when you get outed?
This is MY DISCUSSION. You are the one trying to derail discussion efforts. Now youre blame shifting. Both disgusting liberal tactics. I see you.
Dont feel embarrassed that you didnt know that we migrated from the donald. Just learn from youe ignorance.
First learn to post sources before you post your rant.
It is literally everywhere but this site right now.
lmao
What rock do you live under? Every news outlet, every media outlet, every social media outlet, trending on twitter, etc etc.
Peak out once and while.
But if you really neeed spoon fed with all of that going on...here ya go...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/11/after-trumps-controversial-courtship-saudis-2b-jared-kushner/
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/10/us/jared-kushner-saudi-investment-fund.html
Linking the fake news propaganda mills and expecting people to eat it at this point?
Brave.
Dailymail work for you?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10708117/Jared-Kushner-got-2B-investment-Saudi-wealth-fund-despite-doubts-new-firm-Report.html
I mean fox is owned by disney and most posters here trust them.
False. Mainstream media is mainstream media, and if you think that "most posters here trust them" you are either retarded or a shill with an agenda.
"shill with an agenda" = +1
Come on now, half of the posters here worship tucker nightly even after they found out about his long time hunter biden connections.
If you were to poll this site fox would be considered trusted, thats not even debatable.
Nobody trusts Fox either. Youāre like the guy rushing over here to tell us about the MAGA hate crime against Jussie Smollett that is āeverywhereā. Yeah we get it. The corporate media is controlled and working together to push lies. If we arenāt jumping up in response to each new lie they tell, itās because weāve seen through the rigged game. If you read it on a corporate website or saw it on a corporate TV screen, itās almost certainly fake.
Come on now, half of the posters here worship tucker nightly even after they found out about his long time hunter biden connections.
If you were to poll this site fox would be considered trusted, thats not even debatable.
Dailymail is based and they are reporting the same story. The deal between kushner and the sauidi prince, that is trumps good friend, happened. We now have to decide what that means.
I'm not a Fox fan. But - you are wrong. Fox News/Business, Fox TV, and some of the other networks were spun off when Disney bought 21st Century Fox. They are not owned by Disney. With their programming over the last few years they might as well be, but they are not.
Just stop. No one taking you seriously.
People here trust Fox? Hahahahaha
IKR?
Lmao
I just searched the Epoch Times site and didnāt find it. So apparently it is not āliterally everywhere.ā
And I assume you took a look at it with the critical thinking and sniffing out the fake news BS?
Did it even occur to you that its funny this narrative is being propped up just as hunter laptop is picking up steam?
First Rule Rube MSM think Opposite and you will do fine. They said Russia,Russia,Russia Collusion, Collusion,Collusion Impeach,Impeach,Impeach but NAY. It was all over the News so it must be!!!
Why is making money legitimately a problem in a capitalist country, especially when they're not doing it as a grant of political access, like Biden?
It matters when your family holds high position in office and can sway entire markets with a single bill. See pelosi
Unless they were making shit-tons of money doing the same types of deals before the Presidency. Then you actually need to post some facts.
HINT for you: linking to OTHER bedwetters' bald accusations isn't actually proving anything.
They're not in office.
Post presidency.
Do you think you don't make money anymore after you leave office?
How is it ok that Trump's son-in-law receives a 2 billion dollar investment deal through his fathers saudi connections with little to no investment experience? This is EXACTLY the hunter biden situation.
Perhaps you're just jealous that the Trumps are better than you in every conceivable way and are better than you ever will be? And that thought is living in your head rent free.
Really downvotes? How is it ok that Trump's son-in-law receives a 2 billion dollar investment deal through his fathers saudi connections with little to no investment experience? This is EXACTLY the hunter biden situation.
You're being either naive or dishonest. Hunter joined the Burisma board and cut deals in China while Joe was VP - that's influence peddling while in office.
Jared is making bank after his FIL left office. Did you catch the difference? Nepotism is a thing all over the world, but the Biden kind occurred while Joe was in office. Trump's didn't.
The fact that you need this explained is kind of sad.
Kushner joins Afinity, (burisma), a private equity firm with no experience in private equity, like hunter with energy. Both profit greatly through their father's connections.
Insert "these two images are the same" meme.
Again, for the nosebleed seats... You're completely ignoring the timing.
Trump. Isn't. In. Office. Biden. Was.
If you can't see that obvious difference, then you're hapless.
The deal was made 6 months after the presidency using his fathers connections in a business that he has zero experience in. 2 billion handed to a guy with no experience. This is exactly the same as hunter and burisma.
Kushner has no experience in real estate? That's what he and his family did BEFORE his father in law became President. And his family is still doing it now. Compare that to the Biden family's zero history of experience in oil and gas production, ever.
Why is that postpresidency such a big deal?
Because while in office means you are selling your seat to a foreign power.
Trump has no seat to sell.
Also, Trump isn't getting the "10% to the big guy" deal lile Nancy, Kerry, and Biden all get, while in office.
As in, bribes while in office, to form policies in favor of forigen intrest.
Which is illegal. So thats money laundering. Trump is a citizen, so its not, even if he were getting 10%.
Can I say it any other way to make any clearer the difference?
You're obsessed and wrong about the zero experience thing.
You: oranges and apples are the same, they have SEEDS!
Everyone With a Working Brain: But the skin is different, the flesh is different, the taste is different....
You: bUt tHe SeeDs!!
Trust no one on this earth. Trust in the Heavenly Father only because this world is full of corrupt people and NO ONE is telling us the FULL truth on ANYTHING, and they NEVER will.
Yes, God is the only one that we should trust. He is revealing everything to us.
Well the longer this goes the more it seems trump was/is a black hat possibly being forced to play a role.
Kushner, we never trusted him, rumors on this site about him and ivanka splitting up. Kushner in gitmo, ivanka with no ring on her finger, blah blah blah. Truth is theyre still together and they made an absolute killing off of all of this.
Yeah the missus forgets her ring on occasion like after washing her hands or cooking, that doesn't mean that we were divorced until the next day.
I love that catsfive put this obvious shill in the spotlight, hmmm I wonder if it's actually Trump.
Hello Mr President.
Trump's son-in-law receives a 2 billion dollar investment deal through his fathers saudi connections with little to no investment experience? This is EXACTLY the hunter biden situation.
Again go away shill.
If you have nothing of merit to add then take your own advice and beat it clown.
kid you really should stop..this is getting hard to watch... fk it carry on...kkkkkkeeeeeeekkkkkk
16 years in the family holding business is not "little to no investment experience".
Great read.
You report the story like the Saudi's sent a personal check to Jarod for 2 billion....can you shill any harder.
So let me get this straight. A billionaire real estate mogul has family in real estate? And they made money off of said real estate investments. OMG, it must be corruption! There is no way a real estate genius investor family with billions to invest could possibly make a profit when real estate prices have been skyrocketing around the entire country. Oh no! My house went up 150k in the last four years and I supported Trump, crap! I must be a black hat. Damn, they are good, I didn't even know I was in the DS, does anyone know when I will be getting my satanic decoder ring in the mail?
So youre ok with the biden crime family then?
All the politicians are corrupt. The Biden family is just so inept, that it is obvious. Most are pretty adept at hiding their corruption. If they were all business folks with wildly successful businesses and continued after being politicians, then I wouldn't assume much of anything. The fact that the Trump and his family was demonized by 80 million "voters", you think they got payoffs for reciprocity? What the hell would any business achieve by associating with the Trump family? Get censored on Big Tech? Death threats by left wing extremists? Smeared by every news outlet. You, sir, are delusional if you think the corruption that politicians are involved with, including kickbacks for political favors, lobbyist financial incentives, insider trading and book deals with huge payoffs without any books sold. Your conclusion of the Trump family being involved with corruption is solely based in the fact they made money. You have zero evidence or even a theory of any kind to indict them in criminal activity. I presume folks are innocent until proven guilty. With enough evidence to theorize about guilt, I can suspect guilt, but with all the false accusations and failed attempts to prove any wrongdoing, I doubt every accusation by Corporate media. I'm certain Trump has done things illegal in his dealings with building in New York, according to every single New Yorker I have ever spoken to, there is no building or business that operates in New York without skirting the law because of intrinsic corruption. Even the police force has been indicted for rampant corruption. Building inspectors are famous for requiring bribes and virtually all construction companies are rife with organized crime links. Virtually every union is infiltrated with organized crime. In that environment, no one comes out clean.
Is there a typo? They made money post-presidency so its corruption in the presidency. Im just a simple caveman so I struggle to follow this logic.
We trust the new saudi prince now right and we trust NY times after some based recent stories.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/10/us/jared-kushner-saudi-investment-fund.html
Or washington post https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/11/after-trumps-controversial-courtship-saudis-2b-jared-kushner/
"We" don't trust anyone, and "we" certainly don't trust New York times, and lastly "we" don't give the media a free pass just because they post one or two stories to mix in with the rest of their propaganda.
Agreed, but dailymail is based and theyre reporting the same story. The story is everywhere, the deal happened. We now have to decide what that means.
There's a reason why brits like me call it the "Daily Fail".
No we don't and if those are your sources we shouldn't trust you
So when fox mentions it tomorrow then you'll believe it?
Dailymail is based and theyre reporting the same story. The deal happened, now we have to discuss what this means.
I just find it odd that the entire world is talking about it, but crickets here on this site.
Define āwe.ā I do NOT trust the NYT.
Dailymail work for you?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10708117/Jared-Kushner-got-2B-investment-Saudi-wealth-fund-despite-doubts-new-firm-Report.html
I mean fox is owned by disney and most posters here trust them.
There's a reason why brits like me call it the "Daily Fail".
Agreed, i also posted the dailymail link. Theyve been pretty based through out all of this.
Im trying to see why this site is ignoring all these facts first of all and how this is any different than the biden's laundering money through family connections.
danm it kid...lmfao..
Lolā¦..Death by Stickyā¦.lmfao
Because Trumpās kids actually work doing real jobs that make legit money. They arenāt meth heads doing deals with Ukraine and China.
Your title is misleading, OP.
There is a universe of difference between legitimate business practices and influence peddling, and your title seems to make the assertion that the act of succeeding in business is enough for them to be guilty of something suspicious. All submitted, incidentally, with no sauce to back you up.
It's funny actually: all of the disgusting, despicable shit that Hunter has documented himself doing and has been involved in is a real national security issue, and you're over here like "hey! Kushner and Ivanka are rich! That's suspicious and we should investigate!"
Get a life. Grow the hell up.
Big difference between actual legit business and book deals...
Ok this is what u/dfgdgff 's problem is:
He doesn't realize that this"news" that is "literally everywhere" is actually from a very small group of people pulling the "everywhere" strings. https://youtu.be/ksb3KD6DfSI
So just legally making money is corruption now? Instead of crying about the number of dollars someone has made how about backing it up with illegal activity? No? Nothing? Just bitching about it? Ok.
Kushner got 2B invested in his fund he runs. He didn't make 2B.
So when HRC lost the 2016 election her money laundering dried up ie charitable donations to the the CF and high paid speaking engagements ended.
Biden made tons of dirty business deals while a Senator, VP, and not president. He's using his office to make money.
Why are you comparing Trumps kids making money AFTER he's no longer the president. Kushner, Ivanka, Trump they were all rich way before Trump was president. So yeah they'll continue to be rich after he's done, because they know how to make money and conduct business.
Trump LOST wealth while in office. I think you have this backwards how this works.
If Biden had lost, no one would be paying hunter half a million for crappy paintings.
Legitimate business deals don't equal getting cushy positions on foreign energy boards where you do nothing but launder bribes for your politician parent.
Kushner and Ivanka were both raised by real estate tycoons. It makes sense that they both know how to make these kinds of deals...I don't get your point.
Personally I don't really give an F.
We, the product, are just a transfer of ownership but this transfer feels more humane.
They need as much doh as they can get because the cabal will try and take them out when dad is gone.
It is literally everywhere but this site right now.
I just searched the Epoch Times site and didnāt find it. So apparently it is not āliterally everywhere.ā
He's bored while he waits for his douche to chill in the fridge...
Ive posted a quick example in other posts. Not going to repeat it. But honestly its the biggest "news" of the day. How has no one here heard about it?
I think people are intentionally ignoring it.
We are outside the corporate media bubble because itās all noise and lies. The better question is why are YOU still listening to it?
Dailymail is based and they are reporting the same story. The deal between kushner and the sauidi prince, that is trumps good friend, happened. We now have to decide what that means.
You've copy-pasted this reply like three times now in this thread alone, looks very low-rent shill.
There's a reason why brits like me call it the "Daily Fail".
Got any sauce? Don't forget, this is how the wealthy make money. Legit land deals are nothing nefarious.
(((Kushner)))
What I know for sure is that misprision is evil, even criminal. And the plan is the mother of all misprision. What they are doing is not right and they need to be called on it. They being Q, Q+ and the others.
Saying "it's war" does not and never has justified collateral damage. They need to go scorched earth on these demons and stop worrying about optics and waking people up. People can wake up after the fact. They've left the cabal in the game too long.
I agree 100%, the only way to really wake these people up is by showing them arresting the criminals then convicting them of the crimes for which they are guilty of. If frazzledrip is true and hillary was a part of that then the world needs to know. The worlds needs to know what what kind of evil exists and who was causing it.
Or allowing millions of innocent women and children to be killed or maimed by the vaccine is not part of any plan i want to be a part of. Thats the communist ends justifies the means kind of lunacy.
Trump supported the vaccine all the way til the end. That can not be forgotten. Trump pardon a democrat criminal who was part of all kinds of evil, now that evil's son is being rewarded greatly. I dont get what part of the plan this is supposed to be. But i hope to shine some light on it.
I think the op is asking a good question. But the key part of AFTER presidency is why this is apple's to oranges. On a lesser scale politicians take the experience from being in elected office into lucrative deals in the private sector.
Is it 2 bil worth? No ...
How do you feel about Clinton and Obama speaking fees?
Well said, they want to argue both sides of the coin. They claim its not criminal kick backs because he wasnt in office while in the same breathe claiming trump is still the legitimate president. So which is it lol.
A 2 bil kick back, which is considered bribery. Thats a crime. Thats the same political corruption that we criticize people like pelosi for. Or like you mentioned, hillary's multi million dollar speaking fees.
I just created a part 3 where it details how Ivanka made 640 million while holding a position at the white house.
I will say I never liked Kushner's influence. Trump should have frozen him out and kept Bannon around.
A very dark mystery with countless ties to evil. I dont get it either. Either hes part of a trap or trump is not a white hat, idk. Everything connected to this guy is bad.
I love all the down votes Iām getting for reminding everybody about Jared and his self proclaimed Zionist family. Learn about the crypto Jews and Khazaria some time ;)
Anyways, Trump is saving Israel for last... right (((Jared)))...
had to switch to an alt account eh?
(((Jared)))
Handshake agreeing with a low karma, 98 day old account. Har.
Naw, I just know my Talmud ;)
Wake up, anyone who criticizes (them) is banned on this site. There have been lengthy discussion about how compromised this site is. Ive been banned repeatedly for questioning them or pointing out certain truths.
This...at least someone is in the same book. Maybe not the same page but yeah.
The man makes 2 bil, hes not in gitmo, still with ivanka. This is basically hunter biden 2.0.
Please go away... you are comparing apples to oranges. President Trump was and is a very successful business man and so are his family members. On the other hand the Biden Crime family never made a legitimate dollar outside of the government and hiden bidens position and contact through it.
Lmao, hey arranged marriages are ok in some parts of the world.
We now live in the Third World so why not.
If trump's daughter and son-in-law made 2.6billion since 2016 how is this any different than the bidens laundering money through family connections?
And its crazy to think that trump wouldnt receive any of that considering the deal was through his saudi prince connection. 10% for the big guy
Not sure why you keep making these false connection ASSUMPTIONS......very shill like pal....
Its one thing to bring the story up and question but the manner in how you do it exposes your true intent....
False connections? Its thought that trump and the white hats saved the current prince from the las vegas shooting/assassination attempt.
Trump and the white hats supposedly helped with the regime change that placed that prince in control in the first place.
They are very good friends and seen together quite a few times.
You should know all of this already though.
False connections as in Bidens did it so that means Trumps must gonna do it too.....
stop playing stupid shill , we see ya!!!!
Are you really denying the connections between Trump and Mohammed bin Salman Al Saud?
People dont be that stupid. You have a lot to learn if so. Maybe start with the vegas shooting. See you in a few weeks when you get caught up.
So what , he knows the guy......you are deflecting shill
This is only the 2nd legitimate, non snowflake, response on this thread so far. Thank you for that.
So he has a history of making deals like this to bait crooks? If thats the case then is he baiting kushner and his daughter? That seems very unlikely doesnt it?
Interesting view point...
Thanks and yeah its late and this thread was not received well. Far too much emotion in these responses. Im sure most spouted off before even giving it an ounce of thought.
You mean like your "title" to your post?
what this pede said