After going through the fall of the cabal i kept getting this feeling that Santa was only created to distract us from Jesus during Christmas...No other religion has this, same with easter and a fucking rabbitt
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The argument is that Christmas is all about material goods and does not represent Jesus at all.
His father said there are other ways to the father. “Many roads” as he put it. It is pagan and it is actually preached against by our Lord himself.
Oprah said the same thing.
The ONLY way to the Father is Jesus Christ. He preached that He is the Way, the Truth and the Life. Period.
No one cometh unto the Father except by me.
Billy Graham spoke many times about Jesus being the only way, so what are you talking about?!
Read the Roman Road to salvation.
Is that a book or are you referring to something from the Bible?
Yes it is Billy Grahams book. He has said that even Muslims can go to heaven. That is a lie. There is only one way and that is Jesus! Without the son you do not have the father and you cannot BELIEVE the son and things that are antithetical to his teaching if you in fact have the Holy Spirit of truth abiding within your soul. Ecumenism is the false docterine that Christ tried to warn us about. It is in fact the One world religion of self that will be led by the antichrist! As a pastor it is my duty to warn of these things. Many will go to hell that repeated a prayer yet never got saved. Many will come saying, “Lord Lord!” And he will say, “depart, I never knew you.” I am not trying to be hyper spiritual. I am trying to help wake people up to the lies that have been told by pastors in pulpits that only preach what they were taught. Most seminaries teach from C.I. Scofeilds references and Heritic docterines that have been spread by the likes of John Nelson Darby. Many false teachings out there that are not even mentioned in scripture yet preachers twist it up to fit their ideology. A pastors success should not be merited by how many fill out a commitment card or how many raised their hand after repeating a prayer, but by how many true deciples are converted. So many claim to know Jesus yet they never open scripture only to quote what they were taught to memorize in Sunday school. A relationship with the Master is easy to spot. You’ll know it by (How into the word) a person is. It becomes an obsession that will have you labeled as a Bible thumper. Now, I am not saying that Billy Graham wasn’t saved but only acknowledging what he himself has preached. There are Catholics that are born again, Pentecostals, but the majority are not. It’s a social club. A Muslim cannot be born again or else they would reject that teaching. This goes for all religions. If someone has the Holy Spirit then the world does not jive with them. Please understand I am not trying to be pompous but just trying to open minds. It is hard to preach the truth and come across as humble because there are so many false teaching that people believe and they don’t even know the author. There is a difference between knowing about a guy named Jesus ( which is a belife) and actually Knowing Jesus (in the way you know your mother, father, spouse, or sibling) the Belief is more important and knowing that his shed blood is the only way. The Bible says to not even bid God speed to anyone preaching another gospel than that which we have been given. Paul was infatict about this. Much love. I mean all love and joy. In brotherly love and edifice without division.
I’ll have to look for it
Lived Billy Graham and saw him once when I was in high school at a youth rally. As for his son and grandson, I do not trust anyone who agreed with shutting down churches, pushed masks and clotshot as ok with God.
Thanks. I too saw Billy Graham at Arrohead stadium in KCMO. What bugged me was all the kids that rushed down to proclaim the got saved when in reality they were just trying to “fit in with what was popular at the moment.” I see it first hand as a pastor. I always wonder how many false confessions did Graham bring forth?
Do you remember what year this was? It was mud eighties when I heard him and he was preaching ‘through Jesus alone’ message then.
It would have been just pre millini
What year approximately? So glad I accepted Jesus when I was only five (and somehow understood) or I may have been more off track than I ever did and would likely be dead at least ten times over. God has protected and convicted me so many times I can’t count
Is south America and other parts of the world, gifts were not given on Christmas at all. Some small things were exchanged on Epiphany , aka Three Kings day, in January. Whatever European and North American commercial nonsense came in went and poisoned all that.
I'm looking forward to my oyster soup tomorrow night. Maybe it's a southern thing, like hash brown casserole.
I'm from the US South and we didn't do either of those things.
About the only difference was banana pudding.
My mother made that every time the bananas got too ripe. Never had it since I moved out 40 years ago.
I had some a few weeks ago at the coast. It was very good.
I cant think of anything more seasonal then a half frozen bowl of oyster slop on christmas paired with a peppermint mocha. 🤢
Christ wanted His death celebrated.
Christ wanted His death remembered, not celebrated.
Exactly. Jesus didn’t have an ego lol
Honestly His death should be, and is celebrated along with His resurrection. He gave His life in a most painful way so that we could all be forgiven. The biggest selfless act of love in history. If that isn't worthy of celebrating then nothing is. Both parts - the death and the resurrection - should be celebrated. It's not celebrating that Jesus died - it is celebrating that He died for everyone.
Technically the last supper recreation is called a celebration in many places, but yes. The Old school term celebrate and current meanings are different.
His resurrection specifically
No He didn't. Lol. He called for remembrance, not celebration. The only God-approved "holidays" are scriptural: tabernacles, passover and pentecost. Christmas is not Godly. Christmas is not ok. Bring wrath upon your house if you wish.
We identify with Christ through His death and resurrection.
Let me be perfectly clear: if you celebrate Christmas, you're none of His and you won't be seeing heaven for quite some time. Serve yourself and your little gods. Time's up.
^^^This^^^
Again, it's up to parents to teach their children about Jesus because schools won't do it. We've had birthday cakes for Jesus on Christmas.
My uncle’s 3rd wife always brought a cake for Jesus birthday. (After two attempts he finally got a good one and eventually screwed that up) I thought that was good to do for kids to know the reason for the season.
Presents or presence... We can choose to celebrate the plastic objects we open up every December 25th or we can celebrate the people in our lives.
Well I agree with you on Santa…. But the Easter bunny. When I was a kid we never had the Easter bunny at the mall.
God bless you.... God bless everyone!
But the bunny dominates everything else. Then there’s the bunny/eggs and fertility issue. It’s a secular slam.
Had two instances as a little girl that really turned me off about Santa. While my parents were shopping for kindergarten supplies for me, I wandered off to look at clothes. I glanced up in front of me and a few feet away was a man in front of me who resembled Santa. He began exposing himself and motioned for me to come to him. I screamed and ran to my parents who told store managers but my mom didn’t want police called “so as not to further traumatize me” Later the same year, my parents decided to take me to see Santa in the mall. A huge line of kids and me at the end. Just before me, Santa went to lunch and I never saw him. Never took my kids to a Santa either and they don’t take the grandkids. They say they didn’t miss anything.
The only special Christmas memories I have are of caroling in the snow with our church group in hayride flatbed around town then back to church for cookies and cocoa. Also our neighbor who would pull all of the neighborkids around in his field when it snowed with his tractor on a fiberglass boat top.
Oh yeah, I forgot about the Christmas story plays we used to do. They stopped doing them about when I hit jr high for some reason
We did all pile on at once. There were 17 neighborkids. Then we’d take turns shoving each other off and racing to catch up and scramble back on.
we never had malls when I was a kid.
Bunnies and eggs are northern hemisphere pagan spring things. South America is in the autumn and never had any of that intruding into the Christian holy days, until hollyweird and chain department stores pushed it.
St. Nicholas was Greek, not German (sorry to be a nerd)
We love nerds. We call them Autists.
I agree. We watch a ton of Christmas movies each year because they are fun. Very few actually mention the real reason for Christmas. I do think the Santa thing is a way to keep people away from the religious reason for Christmas.
Linus does a great job expressing the real reason!
Oh yes! I have all the Peanuts Holiday VHS tapes.
Yes he does.
I agree with you. No flack from this anon. Bless you Mary and Merry Christmas.
And bring mass commercialism.
True
Fun.
Bishop and Saint Nicholas are NOT Santa.
Yes he was. That's why people say "Santa knows if you've been naughty or nice". No man is omni-present, all-knowing, etc.
They're taking it steps further by introducing "Elf on a shelf". My wife and I said hello no we don't need an Elf in the house.
This is how they incrementally get their agenda done.
St. Nick was a real person.
Santa and the Easter Bunny are also being used now - intensely - to cause Christians everywhere to doubt the validity of two very important holidays. The birth and death of Jesus Christ. Don’t fall for it. Whether you allow these two characters into your house (and I did), always remember the reason for the season 🙏
The rabbit on easter is such a bizarre addition as well. Follow the white rabbit? Adrenochrome molecule symbolism? I don't believe in coincidences anymore.
Easter is a pagan holiday, and in pagan culture the rabbit represents renewal/prosperity/abundance as they multiply so fast. That is what the Spring season represents. That’s all it means.
Adrenochrom= RENEWAL
What is more fertile than a bunny? Eggs are a symbol of fertility… Some goddess junk in there somewhere I’ll bet.
Easter came from the Germanic spring goddess Eostre.
Welfare recipient?
Pagan rabbit feasts started way before they had knowledge of the molecular structure of that stuff. Owl worship too; now it would be wild if that ends up being an outline for another molecule
Consider the very name "Easter." The name comes from a Pagan goddess, possibly with connections to Ishtar. It has absolutely nothing to do with Christianity, and yet Christianity's most important holiday is named after it.
Question is; Why wouldn't you be doubting considering the holidays pagan origins?
Jesus was born in the fall. Easter has roots w Ishtar and worshipping the sun.
I think that’s inaccurate. Here’s a really good sermon my pastor shared defending Christmas. Give it a watch:
https://youtu.be/XSQ8TKjTRgg
This is now the stance of my daughters and sons in laws. They are born again Christians and believe Jesus is the messiah but in their search to find a church that didn’t shy away from entire bible and would call out sin for what it is, they chose to be messianic jews and now celebrate Hanukah. They worship on Saturday (true Sabbath) and chew in my husband and I for our Sunday church and eating pork and shellfish. I agree in the Sabbath and unwillingness if most churches to call out sin. That bothers me to.
Santa is innocent.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Nicholas
What is evil is people not properly teaching that though Santa is no longer alive and his acts have been embellished by fiction, the ideal of Santa still inspires giving and cheer worldwie
Elf on a shelf? It is also silly. I have some damn good elf on a shelf ideas if anyone wants to use them for the last days. You would need multiple elves and props though.
Elf on a shelf? What about smeagol on a beagle.....
Yes, 100% Just like Xmas was coined to take the word Christ out of Christmas.
You know who were the first offenders to replace 'Christ' with 'X'?
It was those early Christians and their fish!
Xmas is one of the earliest iterations of Christmas. X was shorthand for Christ. The first two letters of Christos in the Greek spelling, Chi Rho, X and P.
The Chi Rho is one of the very first symbols of the early Christian church. Constantine's army had the Chi Ro symbol on their shields.
https://www.ancient-symbols.com/symbols-directory/chi_rho.html
I thought this as well and then found out the X had been shorthand for Christ for a very long time.
Historically incorrect, stop reading bumper stickers.
Makes sense to me, and it has worked rather well.
BS, Santa would be an addition to the seasonal fun if it wasn’t deliberately a juxtaposition of the word Satan. If I never saw another Santa Claus it would be just fine by me. It’s glaringly obvious. And he knows we know. That’s the catch. That’s the conviction.
Was Jesus invented to divert from God, The Father?
<gasp>
In the beginning was the Word. The Word was with God and was God (Jn. 1:1). The Word became flesh (v. 14). In Him all the fullness of the Godhead was pleased to dwell (Col. 2:9). I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me (Jn. 14:11). He who beholds Me behold Him who sent Me. seen Me, you've seen the Father (Jn. 12:45). Jesus is the way to the Father. They are not in competition.
I have always told my kids that Santa is a fun game we plag this time of year, as if we were in a tv show. But that Jesus is real, and his gift of salvation is better than any gift you can find under the tree. I tell them that everything we have comes from God.
Yes. Satan Claus inspiring greed on Xmas is not Christmas.
No. It wasn't.
For anyone whose ancestry traces back to what is now the British Isles, Europe, Scandinavia, and Russia: People lived in those regions long before Christianity came to them. They had a remarkably well-organized civilization (see Brehon Law in Ireland, for one) and were not ignorant savages living in degeneracy.
They would not have survived those climates for long if they were. They had to work together, look out for their own, and understand the world around them (natural science) if they were going to make it through, and they did.
The beautiful objects they made survive today in museums. Their customs and traditions became part of Western civilization, and one of those customs was taking care of everyone at the middle of winter - the Winter Solstice.
That is where our customs of gift-giving and going home at Christmas come from. Be proud of your brave and generous long-ago ancestors who created such ways of living.
This explains why, for the most part, Christianity did not have to be forced on these people. It made sense to them and it was easily combined with their other traditions, like the one about gift-giving on the Solstice. So that's what they did. As we still do today.
"Santa Claus" traces back to the kings and chiefs of these tribes making sure everyone had enough food, clothes, and warmth at midwinter to get through until spring. The carol about "Good King Wenceslas" is about exactly this.
So, no. It wasn't.
Interesting perspective but you are missing the point about modern Santa Claus who has nothing to do with these benevolent forerunners.
there is NO OTHER mediator, other than Jesus Christ. there is NO OTHER way to Heaven, but to be reconciled to the Father THROUGH Jesus Christ.
Santa = Satan
Claus = Lucas (Lucas means "Bringer Of Light") & Lucifer means "The Light Bearer"
The colors red (blood) & white (purity) are used to MOCK Jesus Christ.
Consider the commentary in Christmas traditions from this podcast. They regularly bring on biblical scholars to round table ancient near eastern history and concepts to help us understand the worldview of the Bible’s authors. I regularly find their works puts to rest a lot of the nonsense speculation that sometimes runs rampant in our quest for Truth.
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/a-view-from-the-bunker/id320953784?i=1000590931889
My intuition completely agrees with yours, op. But I suspect the history is beyond tracing out. I'm personally disappointed to see so many defenders of the Santa psyop responding, but the programming runs deep. What is even good about Santa? Yeah there were good things about the original Saint Nicholas but the modern day Santa doesn't do anything positive for a kid's psyche or a family's celebration.
Easter is not "First Fruits" (Resurrection day) Christmas is not the Birth day of Messiah, That would be Sukkot the 15th day of the 7th month Tishrei 3998 / Thursday, September 26, 3 BCE. Easter is the calibration of the goddess of sexual pleasures. or the spring time goddess. hence Rabbits and eggs and other fertility symbols. Christmas was once called Saturnalia and was the festival of the winter solstice The birth of the sun god, Sul Invictus Mithras . The principal gods of the pagan pantheon are all sun related. Both the equinox and the solstice have gods or goddesses marking the events. Although the gods have different names their origin is from the same person or event. (Example; Jupiter, Zeus, Tamuz, Mithras are all the same god, the Sun god.) All share the winter Sulstice December 25 as their birthday. I know that it is Dec. 21 in modern time, but 3 thousand years ago it was the 25 day of the then 10th month. Antiochus Epiphanes , celebrating the birth day of his god killed a pig in the Temple of God in Jerusalem Sparking the Maccabean revolt and that is why Hanukkah and Xmas are at the same time. Thank Pope Gregory for Xmas being on Dec. 25 .
So.... You're saying "bah humbug" then? I whole heartedly agree! I say let the nations have their saturnalia back. Christmas is just one of the worst of many horrible ideas to come out of the antichrist in Rome.
Sorry Catholics, get away from Rome! And hey Protestants, have ya noticed? ... You're not protesting anything - instead you're defending all the jesuit nonsense the Pope fed you.
Yes.
St Nicholas was a real person. Spent his life traveling and visiting orphanages to give the kids gifts and tell them about Jesus. The Germans largely traditionalized the holiday.
Santa The Great Imposter https://www.biblebelievers.com/watkins_santa/santa.html
Simply, yes.
Santa is an acronym of Satan. Christ mass is not about his birth. The Catholic mass is always about his death. All of their crosses have Christ still impelled upon it.
santa or satan? Pretty close. No caps on purpose.
Santa is an anagram of Satan. A clause is a covenant.
In 1659, the Massachusetts Bay Colony enacted a law called Penalty for Keeping Christmas. The notion was that such “festivals as were superstitiously kept in other countries” were a “great dishonor of God and offence of others.”
People put Santa front stage before Jesus. SANTA IS A DISTRACTION.
All us kids, meaning my brothers and sister did the Santa thing growing up, but Jesus was front and center during Christmas time. My mother was a faithful a Christian as ever existed. Santa never replaced Jesus as the meaning of Christmas in our home.
Yes
Wasn't any money to be made with Jesus!
I believe so that's why I choose to focus on Jesus and not lie about Santa (I say how he was based on someone real). Then when my kid acts up I say I will not bring you toys on Christmas and I become the rule enforcer which I think has more strength than saying a fictional character will punish you
The reality of what everyone is celebrating is God becoming man; the Word becoming flesh. God in man lived a human life, went into death, and came out as a life-giving Spirit (1 Cor. 15:45). In the Spirit are all the riches of Christ, the God-man. The riches of Christ include all that God is, because the fullness of the Godhead dwelled in Him bodily (Col. 2:9). Along with all that, He was a man living out God in a human life, and He was a man who was raised from the dead by the eternal Spirit. When we are regenerated, we are joined to Him and become one spirit with Him (1 Cor. 6:17).
Then the agape love of God, which was ultimately expressed by Christ laying down His life for His enemies, becomes the love in us, even for our enemies. This love is a "pouring out" love. This love was expressed by brother Nicolas and many others in their care for others in need. This is what people call, "the spirit of Christmas." Really, it is the love of God, embodied in Christ, brought to us by the fellowship of the Spirit, and lived out through us.
No where in scripture does it say to celebrate the birth of Christ. It is a false holiday.
His crucifixion is what you need to celebrate, for it brought forgiveness of sin
Oh yeah, English Gematria for Santa Claus = 666
Yes….Easter Bunny….same thing.
Growing up I was taught that Christmas is not biblical. When you read up on it it is obvious that it is not written anywhere to celebrate the birth of Jesus on a day that was picked on a "best guess" . so technically we should not be celebrating Christmas but if seeing it as a way to openly showcase your faith to the libtards, then I guess I can bend a little. I also think that Christmas and Easter has been twisted to being very material. there has been a hard-line effort to shift people from the real reason behind these events. Shift them towards buying trees, decorations , lights, a bazzillion gifts, elves , reindeer, fat Santa , an ugly bunny (who came up with this?)etc.... There is so much that its an overload and people very easily forget to be still, pray and give thanks to the most high for everything that was provided to them. As a Christian i have to bring this back to Jesus as the reason and nothing else.
Lol, I literally had a thought yesterday that's similar to this. I said to my wife "what if the real conspiracy is this: Jews wrote a bunch of Christmas songs and I don't know if many of them mention Jesus. The real conspiracy could be Jews writing Christmas songs to detract from Jesus and take Christ out of Christmas?"
Then I laughed because I don't think it's true in the least.