PLEASE TAKE TIME TO READ THIS THROUGHOUT.

2 Thessalonians 2:1 BUT RELATIVE to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ (the Messiah) and our gathering together to [meet] Him, we beg you, brethren,

2 Thessalonians 2:2 Not to allow your minds to be quickly unsettled or disturbed or kept excited or alarmed, whether it be by some [pretended] revelation of [the] Spirit or by word or by letter [alleged to be] from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has [already] arrived and is here.

2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no one deceive or beguile you in any way, for that day will not come except the apostasy comes first [unless the predicted great falling away of those who have professed to be Christians has come], and the man of lawlessness (sin) is revealed, who is the son of doom (of perdition), [Dan. 7:25; 8:25; I Tim. 4:1.]

2 Thessalonians 2:4 Who opposes and exalts himself so proudly and insolently against and over all that is called God or that is worshiped, [even to his actually] taking his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming that he himself is God. [Ezek. 28:2; Dan. 11:36, 37.]

2 Thessalonians 2:5 Do you not recollect that when I was still with you, I told you these things?

2 Thessalonians 2:6 And now you know what is restraining him [from being revealed at this time]; it is so that he may be manifested (revealed) in his own [appointed] time.

2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of lawlessness (that hidden principle of rebellion against constituted authority) is already at work in the world, [but it is] restrained only until he who restrains is taken out of the way.

2 Thessalonians 2:8 And then the lawless one (the antichrist) will be revealed and the Lord Jesus will slay him with the breath of His mouth and bring him to an end by His appearing at His coming. [Isa. 11:4.]

2 Thessalonians 2:9 The coming [of the lawless one, the antichrist] is through the activity and working of Satan and will be attended by great power and with all sorts of [pretended] miracles and signs and delusive marvels--[all of them] lying wonders--

2 Thessalonians 2:10 And by unlimited seduction to evil and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing (going to perdition) because they did not welcome the Truth but refused to love it that they might be saved.

2 Thessalonians 2:11 Therefore God sends upon them a misleading influence, a working of error and a strong delusion to make them believe what is false,

2 Thessalonians 2:12 In order that all may be judged and condemned who did not believe in [who refused to adhere to, trust in, and rely on] the Truth, but [instead] took pleasure in unrighteousness. {AMPLIFIED BIBLE}

The definitions given to the Thessalonians barks against the "theory" quite loudly. I post the Amplified as it gives the intent of the subject dealt with by the Apostle Paul. Wresting Scripture, especially that of Revelations, is a hazard.

First in this epistle we see the beast identified as "LAWLESS." He comes into power based in Satan - opposed to Christ (OPPOSES) = ANTI. He wears the title assigned to him by the Word of God. John in his first epistle defines the "spirit of antichrist" quite well, and you would all do well for yourselves to read and meditate on that epistle.

Coaching this as a "theory" does not excuse the error. I have warned others around me to be careful of a personality (Trump) superseding or displacing faith in Christ Jesus. Some are doing this and the "theory" above leans into that to some degree. Trump may be a "savior" of America but do not spiritualize the effect.

Also, I must add the apostle Peter's warning against abusing or misusing Scripture to bring "new" or "heretical" understanding of what is written in the Bible.

Therefore, beloved, since you look for these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless,

and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you,

as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.

You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, be on your guard so that you are not carried away by the error of unprincipled men and fall from your own steadfastness, 2 Peter 3:14-17

Be sober, be vigilant, your adversary the devil, knows how to twist Scripture well, as proven in the encounter Jesus had with him during the 40 days he fasted before coming into ministry.

When attempting to use Scripture be careful you use it with fear and trembling and the Lord indeed warns against mishandling His Word.

Interesting fren. Thanks for putting yourself out there and sharing this. Honestly I have always personally felt that the current understanding of revelation was not really correct. Especially the idea of rapture and people disappearing and some being left behind. I always tell people I feel it's something outside the current box of understanding. All sides(pre trib, post trib, ect) can all use biblical text to prove there right and they are all so so very passionate about it as well. This tells me there is something different and God is purposely bringing us the challenge of disagreeing so he can then bring us back together..this is very interesting.

I think it's pretty clear that the antichrist won't be another John the Baptist.

Paul states in 2 Thessalonians that the antichrist will disgrace the temple and claim to BE God.

This is based on a false premise and misunderstanding of the language.

“Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!”

I feel like Revelation reveals the heart of a Christian. Every time I read through I have a new theory. Yet I always come back to the same thing

Proverbs 3:5

Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding

I have a hard time with those that believe they know. For in their knowing they attack brothers and prove their theory using the Word. Yet to me all they prove is that they want to have the answers more then they want to trust Jesus.

At the end of the day, I walk as if Jesus is coming today (or try to), for when the time comes our understanding of the Prophecy will mean little. We will either be a bride waiting eagerly for our groom or we will be busy looking for understanding and we will completely miss the bus.

Just my 2 cents. Really enjoyed this thread.

Interesting but christ said there would be many anti christs. Speaking in the context of false prophets. Revelation is easier to understand once you realize it was John trying to explain 2000 years ago what he was seeing in the future from a heavenly perspective. He was in the spirit so he was able to see the spiritual that we cannot see. It’s demonic and much scarier than what we can see. In the flesh things are not as gruesome as I’m the would be if we saw things in the spirit. With that said, study the difference between pre trib and mid trib eschatology. The pre trib teaching has brought in a bunch of false teaching that makes the book seem difficult to understand. If you take it out of your mind then read revelation in chronological order it is much easier to grasp. A good resource on this is here. This is Independent Fundemental Baptist view of revelation of which I am a Minister of this sect. I believe this to be the best understanding of the book. https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLq9ZIV5UANZzaMlrlX9bRw_FFTRduTVF8

in Revelation 13:3, where it says, "And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast." This wound is described as being healed, and as a result, people are amazed and follow the beast. Obama has a huge scar on the side of his head that caused a lot of speculation when he was causing havoc…

There are over 30 names for what we term the Antichrist in the Bible. Every one of them portrays him as Satan incarnate. Man of sin, Evil one and so on. I don't think Trump fits the bill here. He will be a great orator as Hitler. One that hasn't the desire of women (homosexual). His right arm and right eye will be withered up form a deadly wound. The Book of Revelation is the only book of the Bible that you can find every prophesy in other books of the Bible. The 7 year covenant of which this public leader will set forth will allow the Jews to rebuild their Temple. This will never happen until the Moslem people are defeated in a war (Ezek 38-39) Once this war is over, this public figure will be seen as a great peace maker. The Bible says he will stand in the Holy Place and declare himself as god. The Holy Place is the Holy of Holies in the Temple where the Ark of the Covenant sat. I don't see Trump declaring himself as God. My thoughts anyway.

Interesting, food for thought.

My belief is that the prophet John saw a warning about Satan's plans for our future. There was no chance that he could properly understand the level of destruction man could wrought upon ourselves in the future, so he naturally assumed what he was seeing was a work of God. In his day and age, a city destroying event or a pandemic would be relegated to a work of God. As we see today, man can do that with a nuke and a lab 'leak'.

Christ is THE example of what a person should be like, although our flawed nature makes that impossible. In my mind, the Anti-Christ isn't a person, but a concept. It's essentially a social credit system, that being an example of how to be a perfect servant to the regime, rather than God. Most likely scored out of 0-999, with 3 categories divided into equal thirds. One can only do business if scored in the highest tier (666 or above). It will be tracked by a chip implanted in the hand (mark of the beast) and functions similar to how a farmer would tag cattle.

Free range meat, that's all we are to them.

Wokeism and ESG score are that in its baby phase. If allowed to continue, they will erode all our societal defenses and allow an unprecedented level of predation. Their predation strategy relies on ignorance of their existence. Revealing them will render their strategy useless, and Satan's influence on the world will be greatly reduced. When the happens, the world the normies once knew will end.

Once they open their eyes, its our job to help orient them in this new world.

Gentlemen, I believe the time is nigh.

The Greek word for "ante" is "αντι-"

Incorrect premise. The Greek word for the Latin ante- is προηγού- meaning "before".

The Greek word for "anti" is αντι so αντίχριστος does indeed translate as antichrist.

In addition, although ante in Latin means "before", the Greek word αντε means "instead"!

So, if the original word was written in Latin you would be sort of correct. But you imply that it was Greek, so I can't agree with your conclusion.

I was asked to review this by u/Andy_Man45.

The actually important part, Jesus most definitely did regard Yahweh as his Father and the name as his Father's name, thus his own. The Greek text recording Aramaic conversations generally won't note use of a Hebrew name in the midst; but John 8:58 was certainly a reference to Yahweh. More generically, whenever the word "kurios" (lord, now preserved in the words church and kyrie) is used of the Father, it is understood as a euphemism for Yahweh's name, which was too sacred for casual usage. Yet when Jesus quotes a Hebrew source containing the translation "kurios", he is recognized by all to be referring to Yahweh (Matt. 4:7, 10, 5:33, etc.).

To OP, it is true Latin ante comes from Greek anti, but this means both senses are intended, opposition and facing-off ("beforeness"). There are many antichrists (1 John 2:18), so feel free to class today's politicos among them; but they must meet the criteria: "that denieth that Jesus is the Christ", "that denieth the Father and the Son" (2:22), and "that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh" (4:3). John the Baptist did not meet these, so prophetic forerunner that is not the sense intended. It appears a final antichrist is coming in connection with a 7-year tribulation begun by a treaty signed by united nations. Personally, I think the eclipses of 2017 and 2024 indicate a dress-rehearsal period, and we should prepare for things to get much worse, which is what warriors do.

I'll skim the comments here, please feel free to ping me with any questions.

Lately I've been enjoying the joy of Christ that the Messianic Jews have. They always have some thoughts about God's plan that are rooted in their own history and religious practices which are complementary and reinforcing to the traditional Christianity I grew up with. So I wondered what they had to say about the Antichrist and all the ordinary lower case antichrists.

TLDR: These two evangelists are both clear that both types are liars, they know the truth about the Messiah but they deny and reject it (1 John). The Antichrist is Satan, because Satan not only knows the truth and lies about it, starting in Genesis 3, but his aim is to make himself God, to replace God. "Anti" in Greek means "against" and also "in place of." Besides New Testament mentions of the AntiChrist, he is described in Daniel. The AntiChrist will be Satan in a human form, similar to Jesus being God in human flesh. But everything the AntiChrist does and says will be a lie, a counterfeit of God's word (e.g. the mark of the Beast is a counterfeit of God's instruction to bind the name of God on the forehead and wrist while praying).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuHwNPxaM_s

This one is from 4 years ago. Things might be improving among believers but this rabbi is now sure Jesus is returning soon. But He can't return until the AntiChrist has done his dirty work, part of which is to undermine worship. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05xUH04zmvs

The book of Revelation, a highly symbolic and metaphorical text, may not actually predict a future apocalypse or end times, but rather symbolizes the ongoing struggle between good and evil in human history. According to this theory, the arrival of the "antechrist" figure may not be a negative event, but rather a necessary step in clearing the way for Jesus' return.

Yup.

Israel is readying to accept the AntiChrist...Israel is burning, TelAviv is moronic pedos and trannies that worship satan.

I have heard this before, the anteChrist being to Christ as antechamber is to a room (chamber). A small room leading to a main one. It fits insomuch as I have seen many many Trump supporters convert to open Christianity.

There are false prophets, leading many astray, then there is the anteChrist leading people to Christ.

You know them by their fruits.

Strong's Concordance anti: over against, opposite, hence instead of, in comp. denotes contrast, requital, substitution, correspondence Original Word: ἀντί Part of Speech: Preposition Transliteration: anti Phonetic Spelling: (an-tee') Definition: over against, opposite, instead of Usage: (a) instead of, in return for, over against, opposite, in exchange for, as a substitute for, (b) on my behalf, (c) wherefore, because. HELPS Word-studies 473 antí (a preposition) – properly, opposite, corresponding to, off-setting (over-against); (figuratively) "in place of," i.e. what substitutes (serves as an equivalent, what is proportional). Nobody wants the "end times" to be as written ,many hope we'll be "Raptured' out before the "Tribulation", but the future has many surprises for us.

You are working much to hard on this.
As you represent 'ante' in greek, it is 'alpha, nu, tau, iota.' That is anti and is shown as such in the Greek transliteration in the NASB Bible dictionary. Greek NASB Number: 473

Greek Word: ἀντί

Transliterated Word: anti Root: a prim. prep., also a pref.;

Definition: over against, opposite, hence instead of, in comp. denotes contrast, requital, substitution, correspondence:--

New American Standard Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible.

The problem is that a Greek word can have different meanings or used differently depending on the context. So...

anti (n.)

the word-forming element anti- (q.v.) used by itself, short for various nouns beginning in anti-, from 1788, originally in reference to the anti-federalists in U.S. politics (in the 1830s, especially of the U.S. Anti-Masonic political party); as an adjective, from 1857. Entries linking to anti anti-

word-forming element of Greek origin meaning "against, opposed to, opposite of, instead," shortened to ant- before vowels and -h-, from Old French anti- and directly from Latin anti-, from Greek anti (prep.) "over, against, opposite; instead, in the place of; as good as; at the price of; for the sake of; compared with; in opposition to; in return; counter-," from PIE *anti "against," also "in front of, before" (from root *ant- "front, forehead," with derivatives meaning "in front of, before"), which became anti- in Italian (hence antipasto) and French.

It is cognate with Sanskrit anti "over, against," and Old English and- (the first element in answer). A common compounding element in Greek, in some combinations it became anth- for euphonic reasons. It appears in some words in Middle English but was not commonly used in English word formations until modern times. In a few English words (anticipate, antique) it represents Latin ante.

In noun compounds where it has the sense of "opposed to, opposite" (Antichrist, anti-communist) the accent remains on the anti-; in adjectives where it retains its old prepositional sense "against, opposed to," the accent remains on the other element (anti-Christian, anti-slavery).

https://www.etymonline.com/word/anti

VERSUS::

ante (n.)

in the game of poker, "stake of money placed in a pool by each player before drawing cards," 1838, American English poker slang, apparently from Latin ante "before" (from PIE root *ant- "front, forehead," with derivatives meaning "in front of, before"). From 1846 as a verb. Entries linking to ante *ant-

Proto-Indo-European root meaning "front, forehead," with derivatives meaning "in front of, before; end." Also see *ambhi-.

It forms all or part of: advance; advantage; along; ancestor; ancient (adj.); answer; Antaeus; ante; ante-; ante meridiem; antecede; antecedent; antedate; antediluvian; ante-partum; antepenultimate; anterior; anti-; antic; anticipate; anticipation; antique; antler; avant-garde; elope; end; rampart; un- (2) prefix of reversal; until; vambrace; vamp (n.1) "upper of a shoe or boot;" vanguard.

It is the hypothetical source of/evidence for its existence is provided by: Sanskrit antah "end, border, boundary;" Hittite hanti "opposite;" Greek anta, anten "opposite," anti "over against, opposite, before;" Latin ante (prep., adv.) "before (in place or time), in front of, against;" Old Lithuanian anta "on to;" Gothic anda "along;" Old English and- "against;" German ent- "along, against." penny-ante (adj.)

"cheap, trivial," 1935; extended from use in reference to poker played for insignificant stakes (1855), from penny + ante.

https://www.etymonline.com/word/ante

Now, IF you take your Time, and Simplify Both of these, you'll find out they are not at all the same, one means ""Against"", as in ant-I- sounds like eye, and the other means ""Before"", being ant-e- sound is eee or eh....

It can't be Trump, obama, bush, king charles, nero, elon, gates, soros, etc. The bible gives us the attributes and these folks simply cannot fit if they wanted. It is correct to look at a position like President or king since that system continues even if the names change. Since the little horn comes up in the midst of the ten Kingdoms, Daniel and revelation help bracket the prophesy. Daniel looks forward and john looks backwards. Consider this for study and see if it fits. History is now on our side so we don't need to guess at kingdoms (beasts and metal man sections/toes)

https://whitethroneministries.org/resources/lessons/summary-of-the-characteristics-of-the-anti-christ

Here's a list without spin or interpretations or identity. Now that we have history on our side, understanding the references from Daniel, who gave a perspective looking in the future, is not that hard now. We know Rome was split up in to 10 kingdoms in Europe. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-LNz0UJbXtBE/VT8FNpsG7QI/AAAAAAAAH0E/oS16kReGUbQ/s1600/Ten-Horns.jpg

Nebacanezars dream about the metal man is a road map of world powers. Rome was the legs of iron. Unlike the previous nations, Babylon, media Persia, Greece, the kingdom of rome continued as a blend in feet and ten toes of iron/clay. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/3f/77/be/3f77be372f42bef80957b80d302cd2df.jpg

A little nation (horn) rises amongst those 10 partitions of rome and destroyed 3. Who did that? Trump? Nero? Bush? Obamba? Nope. John said the spirit of anti Christ was alive in Rome back then. Not the actual anti Christ or he would have said so. https://lastmessageofmercy.com/images/books/danielchapter2/Divided_Roman_Empire_(10).jpg Once we know who matches that attribute, we must check if that entity matches all the other attributes. So the accusation that Trump claimed to be our redeemer could be interpreted as blasphemy (defined in scriptures as claim to be god or able to forgive sin). Great, he matches 1 of 20 attributes so....

Comments:

1. The Book of Revelation is difficult for most to understand because most don't know their Bibles...especially the Old Testament.

2. 99% of Evangelicals are brainwashed in the Scofield version of post Crucifixion History or otherwise called Dispensationalism. This was never taught or believed by the early church fathers.

3. John tells us in that even during his time there were many anti-Christ's in the 1st. Century (John 2:18) and in verse 22 John even gives us the definition of anti-Christ..."He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son." Or, "he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ."

4. The Book of Revelation was written to the severely persecuted 1st. Century followers of Jesus to explain what was happening to them and to give them hope and assurance that Jesus was indeed on His throne and was indeed King of king's and Lord of lord's. The first verse poignantly tells us that the events John describes in the Book of Revelation were going to "shortly come to pass." Matthew 24 tells the same story (a trailer of a movie of sorts) that the first 9 chapters of Revelation describe in detail (the actual movie)...namely the complete destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD by the Romans. The most clear timestamp of this occurs in Matthew 24:34 wherein Jesus tells his disciples that all the destruction described in the Olivet Discourse was going to happen BEFORE their generation passed away. For some reason these timestamps are always overlooked by the modern (deceived) dispensationalist end times prognosticators.

5. The defeatist dispensational teaching causes Christians for stand down and stop effectively fighting for the Kingdom of God on earth because they think they are going to be taken out before the really bad stuff happens. The truth is that God won the war 2000 years ago when He rose from the dead! Death, where is thy victory? Jesus put all things under His feet at that moment and satan was utterly defeated. We are in the mop up segment of history wherein the great and glorious message of Christ's Gospel and what He did on the cross is fully realized as the wickedness in men's hearts (which is what is primarily causing all the death and destruction on earth) is replaced by the love of Christ. The message of the Gospel is going to permeate the hearts of mankind until the real Great Awakening is realized...the Great Awakening of Jesus Christ and His forgiveness and love for us. The future new world order is the Theocratic takeover of Jesus Christ and the greatest revival in history.

Ante anti being homophones is unique to the english language. You might as well also say it could be "auntie" christ and Jesus is the nephew, for all the validity this interpretive method has

Eschatology or “end time things, as far as it depends on where we are now, in my opinion, we should do with the word says about “occupy till he comes, Newsflash- the Lord is not returning for a rescue operation, there is a certain stature that the church is to grow into Ephesians one, Colossians1 in the first three chapters of Hebrews, The way we see end times is the way our behavior is manifested, so if we’re looking to “get out of here, it might be a generation or two or more a lot more, This rapture happy attitude has kept believers out of science. The political realm and other parts of the peaks of society from the 60s 70s and 80s we were told he was coming in 1988, then we were told he’s coming in 2000, this changes the behavior to take action, in the lord, as he directed us to be a light, consider this.

I think that no matter what the translation is, its something/someone that will come before Christ. I think there is a good deal of opportunity for error in the years of translations from the original text but the end does not change. I personally lean more on it being someone who is worshiped as if they were Christ but is not. Not neccessrily Satan but just someone who is falsely worshiped as the savior. That person will commit great acts of evil on this earth, uppon all who dwell on earth.

In the end what we need is not knowledge, not better understanding, but stronger faith. True faith. K owing through Jesus Christ we are saved. Not saved from pain and suffering on this earth, but our souls are saved for eternity.

First off... There isn't one, there are "many antichrists" according to the bible.

Christ means anointing, so it's referring to those without anointing. What we call NPCs or the spiritually dead. Or the "dead in Christ" that "will be raised" aka e great awakening.

And you (like many others) misconstrue the Daniel reference.

That's isn't the antichrist.. that is about CHRIST HIMSELF.

He became the Christ at 30 years old, and made a new covenant (promise), which is what we call the new testament. The promise was that the kingdom of heaven was within every person, and he STARTED to teach people how to access that. His promise was the coming if the holy spirit, for every person to become Christ and do works greater than he did.

But he was murdered in the midst, at 33.5 years old. ,(3.5 years)

Decades went by, and he got his vengeance on the people who turned on him.

In 66ad, the Jews rebelled against Rome ("the man of sin cannot come until the rebellion comes first")

3.5 years later in 70ad, most Jews were slaughtered and the temple was destroyed, stone by stone, and those stones were used to create more Roman mega structures.

This total was actually lasted a total of 7 years, but the temple was destroyed in the middle of the war.

There is a lot of interesting stuff here.

Abraham accords - negotiating peace with Isreal, only to turn his back in 3.5 years time. Does this fit with Biden getting into office?

Where is the 3.5 years time coming from? Is it something mentioned in Bible? Or are you referring to current situation? Do you think Trump is turned away from Abraham accord?

in Revelation 13:3, where it says, "And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast." This wound is described as being healed, and as a result, people are amazed and follow the beast.

This more aptly seems to fit America in general. If we look at where America has been headed for the past few decades - the crimes against children, transgenderism, erosion of human rights, the forever wars, killing millions in Iraq for example and saying it was worth it, brainwashing of people to do crazy things to others - you can say it has become a beast.

And the beast is dying, and at the precipice when everything is exposed and even the sleeping normies wake up, the beast will be dead. But then America will heal and become a new God fearing country - thats the beast healing the wounds.

I don't know enough about Obamas political deals with Isreal to make a call on the first one.

From what I understand, the two forces in Israel are the Zionists and Ultra Liberals. Obama backed the Ultra Liberals and Iran is the proxy for that. Not sure if this is relevant or not, but thats my understanding of Obama's meddling in Israel.

This is very telling that Jesus did not see YahWeh as his "Father" in heaven. Jesus never once mentioned Yahweh when referencing the father. He used Abba, or other terms.

This reminds me the literal translation of Bible by Mauri Biglino (Clif High talks about this often), where the Elohim refers to group of powerful entities (plural), and Yahweh was just one commander of this group who was ruling the area around Israel. These are the "jealous Gods" of Old Testament.

The God referred to in New Testament seems to be a more benign God, and probably the reason why Jesus refers to this God with different names.