What is great about this footage is the earth actually traverses the entire view, and passing left to right, curvature apparent during the entire sequence. Moreover, cloud pattern around 12:30 point can be seen with no distortion, as it passes across the first stage view.
You cant reason with flat earthers. The C_A programming runs too deep. In that they are exactly like the covidiots. These two groups are the dumbest on the planet.
I have tried explaining lunar libration to them but they just gloss it over. With my own eyes I have seen the moons of Jupiter and Saturn as they disappear behind the planets and done the mathematical calculations to predict when they reappear. They ignore this information. I have explained how Pythagoras sundial experiment 3000 years ago proved the earth is a globe and 500 years later was confirmed by Eratosthenes startingly accurate calculation of the earths circumference to no avail.
Not sure who “you guys” are but apparently you people assume gender. Reeee. Just kidding. I understand your point of view because I was you two years ago. I am an experienced engineer with multiple telescopes a lifelong love of space and nasa. I set out to prove this ridiculous sounding concept wrong. First realize the magician doesn’t cut the woman in half and roll her two halves around the stage. You saw it with your eyes. When Penn and Teller explain the illusion don’t shout them down and claim they are retarded. They are not. They also can’t enjoy a magic show like a kid anymore. Can you see a 3D sphere through your single eyepiece on your telescope? Would you play baseball with one eye shut? With proper shading street art makes amazing 3D holes appear on flat concrete
Not even remotely CGI. The key tell to the curvature of the Earth is not even the circular horizon, but the fact that as the land masses get closer to the rim, they are clearly more angled away from the axis of view. If the Earth were flat, all the surface would be at the same apparent angle.
Who are you to say "don't trust it," when all you have to offer is ignorant prejudice?
Interesting idea. I’m eating lunch and my chin is approximately 90 degrees perpendicular to the flat level table. As I look to the far edge, the perimeter edge is clearly curved but it is at a 45 degree angle to my chin. A penny under my face looks round but the one across the table looks oval. So the assumption that all angles are same is provable and measurable false
Yes. As I walk past my kiddie pool which I know is round perimeter with a flat water surface, it looks oval from this side perspective but clearly the edges are curved against the green yard background so therefore it’s a ball of magic water that doesn’t fall out. I must verify this ball of kiddie pool because I recall they were stacked at the store in a nested column. I push my sailboat around the perimeter to circumnavigate from east to west and sure as shit I end up in the same place so it is confirmed my pool is in fact a ball. My neighbor asked if I would sail around my ball north south or from the middle to the side and bottom and back to the middle from the other side. I threw dog shit at him for being retarded and banned him from my yard. I climbed on my roof and looked straight down on my kiddie pool and that round beautiful ball hasn’t lost a drop. Now I’m going to set my pool on a merry go round and crank the speed up to 66,600 mph to prove the spin doesn’t affect the flat water surface. Everyone knows centrifuges are witchcraft left over from the dark ages.
Nope. Spherical aberration is not what you think it is. It affects the clarity of focus, not the shape of the visual field. You are confusing it with wide-angle lenses that can produce curved lines from extreme lateral perspective. But there is no perceptible "fisheye" effect going on in these images. The Earth image is mostly center field where no fisheye effect would be present.
I just want the brand of 12v that voyager used in -400 degrees F for decades. Mine craps out at +20 degrees F if I don’t drive daily. Come on naza give us the brand
The variations from a sphere are at the scale of a few tens of kilometers. The Earth is otherwise a sphere with a diameter over 12,000 kilometers. Scale that to a basketball and see if there is a visible difference. Before there was liquid water, there was molten rock...
Serious Question...If you pause the video at 15:23. There are two images. One appears to show the earth round. One appears to show the earth completely flat I put a ruler on it.....and ironically the flat appearance is in the higher altitude camera. ..So I don't know what the question should be.....which one is correct?
So the right side is higher in altitude, as it is the second stage. However, it has two cameras, alternating and showing two different vantage points — one shows engine in line with earth, the second shows an engine with space behind it and a much smaller section of earth in the frame. Smaller section has correspondingly less arc, so what length of arc you can see looks less curved. Over time though, earth pans across both first and second stage cameras, just at different times, and you can see the curvature in both cameras of the second stage. I agree this can be confusing.
Well, the Earth is round, so the only question is why the one image made the horizon appear straight. If I recall correctly, that was the camera on the second stage, which may have had a different field of view. As someone already suggested, if the field of view was small (but magnified), the Earth curvature could look flat. (I recall the engine assembly blocking the center of the horizon span, which may have contributed to the appearance by omitting the center bulge.) My own hunch is that the exhaust plume was refracting the image slightly
I'm an engineer, not a flat earther. I'm an '"Elon" fan (or whomever is acting that part) and I follow him daily on Twitter. I believe without doubt that the Apollo missions were faked. But I worry about the lame thermal wrapping on this rocket engine, very reminiscent of the 1968 lunar lander prop; and about the scratchy audio on the commentator. She's not in space, so why is her audio so 1966? These days I automatically question everything I see, particularly if it is not censored on mainstream platforms like YT.
I remember listening to some talk show interview and the person claimed that there was a second mission at the same time as a backup because at the time space travel was still super dangerous. What they claimed was basically what Q said..the public footage was faked however the landing was real and a secret mission or project or whatever.
What I really mean is that the public, as q literally said in that post, is not aware of everything hence “outside public domain”
I’m not saying there are space bases or anything. I’m saying that sometimes, just like the Manhattan project and the Bomber programs they kept things completely under wraps until they didn’t want to anymore. It’s not far fetched at all that they faked the video at the time.
Okay, I get your reasonable position. But, yeah, it is far-fetched that anyone faked anything about the Moon landing. Absolutely no reason to do it, when we were able to do it for real. And, you know something...the spirit of the time would not have countenanced any fakery. The nation was too committed and too determined to do it. I don't know about you, but I was there and then, and I worked with colleagues who were on the program.
What are you talking about? We know exactly who were on the Challenger and the Columbia. No shuttle went to the Moon. And we knew exactly who went to the Moon. Maybe you want to spool back to the beginning...
I agree. My point is, people who think we never went to moon because the public tech was so stupidly primitive at that time - they are half correct and half wrong.
The public footage was faked but the landings were real.
This is what makes me conclude that there was some urgent reason why the Cabal needed to launch to Moon. They did not even have proper optics cover for this OP, hence such horrible optics as Apollo.
Even today, with SpaceX in the public's mind for all these years, they still dont have the optics to cover the real tech needed to launch to Moon.
I think of Moon as Antarctia. A base for the controllers of Earth.
We cannot do it because the real astronauts that went died in the radiation. Everything else was to cover this up. And if they send anyone else up there it will only confirm to the public that man never stepped on the moon. We may have landed a vessel on the moon but the bodies that were inside were cooked to a crisp.
Incredible bullshit. They zipped through the Van Allen belts at thousands of miles per hour. The belts were never a problem for the probes we sent through it. They did not destroy our first satellite, Explorer 1, which discovered the belts. This is the sort of grotesque fantasy that can come only from someone who is completely ignorant of the situation.
On NAZAs own website, the videos of the Orion project clearly stated that the van Allen belts pose a severe design challenge. 6' thick lead walls weighs as much as a giant blob of lead
The public footage was real. Just because you don't understand what you saw doesn't mean it was faked. It showed phenomena that could only have been produced in lunar gravity and vacuum.
Yes, and if you you question anything, anything at all, you're a dunce. He has 40 years experience in the industry and such. I'm surprised he didn't remind you of his superior credentials and intellect yet. 😂
Oh nice, you are defending the "expert in everything" who passionately explained to every one why no one can shoot down the Chinese balloons - just one day before they were shot - based on his subject expertise! And todays later repeated the same thing with something else, not claiming a new subject expertise.
May I suggest not to butt into things you don't know?
No. From 40 years of aerospace engineering at a company that built the Lunar Orbiters, the first stage of the Saturn V, the Moon Buggy, and the Inertial Upper Stage. You have years of sideline spectator experience, right?
As a scuba diver I am amazed at the ability of our air to stay trapped right next to the infinite vacuum of sgayce without a hard shell tank like a dome. Space. Sorry even my spellcheck knows
It's called gravity. The atmosphere fades away with altitude. There is a tiny, tiny fraction of air molecules at the upper reaches of the atmosphere that have escape velocity and "boil off" into space. But this goes on for millions of years. That is where helium goes if we do not capture it for use.
That's not how pressure works. My tire has 35# regardless if I check the valve stem on top or bottom. My scuba tank doesn't settle high pressure to the bottom. All science that is reproducible somehow is flipped into opposite world when NAZA is involved. Gravity is still a theory because it cannot be proven. Buoyancy and density are science. Centrifuge or merry go rounds sling liquid to the outside just like the tires on my jeep. But spin me a ball at speeds that shreds oak trees and steel buildings and magically the water is pulled down still as a mirror. NY to LA is a 2 hour flight but LA to NY takes two days when NY comes up behind the plane just land. Long range shooters never calculate which direction they are facing. Never shoot a slow 45 cap due west unless you want to get smacked in the face with the bullet. It really is comical once you question what can't be reproduced. How many times have you heard that DJT always lies and Qanon is a cult conspiracy. When you ask for specifics all you get is everyone knows and its safe and effective. I had no idea the bible has hundreds of proofs for geocentric created model until I researched. Heliosorcery is a good start to see how Copernicus introduced his heliocentric theory just a few centuries ago
Q also said misinformation is necessary so we cannot have it both ways. Programs such as those of the cia and their ministry of disinformation also exist outside of the public domain. The earth is a spiritual realm. A heaven. A dimension . When God removes the veil we will see multi dimensional and realize that what we see is only because of what God allows us to see.
When God removes the veil we will see multi dimensional
We have stereo view. Meaning, to the movie on the back of our mind it seems as if there are the following dimensions:
length,
width,
hight,
=> depth.
And we see movement, meaning we see through time. => 4th dimension. Our brains are capable of reproduction of these sequences.
So, we already see multi-dimensional.
Q also said misinformation is necessary so we cannot have it both ways.
Why not. Based on your argument, anything Q wrote about can be tossed out. So, where does that leave you? Wasting your time here?
Perhaps it is time to learn a few things in real live by taking up my challenge for anyone who doubts the shape of our earth. Go sailing the route I challenged any FE-proponent to take. And this is not about circumnavigation, as that does proof only it is possible to sail around a central point, which is quite feasible on all three models of the earth: flat, spherical and hollow.
Another issue, brought to bear on the matter, is the compass sailing circumnavigation. It does proof, the ability to sail around a central point. In and of itself it does not proof the earth to be a globe, as in a flat-earth representation is clearly shown. It only means, one could circumnavigate around a central point, this being north pole.
>When consulting a traditional Flat earth map, and I am going to go with this one:
>https://chizzlewit.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/flat-earth-map-1.jpgJPG
>It clearly shows how to navigate from Auckland, New Zealand, to the rugged coast of Chili,Prta Isabel, located on the Darwin Canal, or to the Colombian Coast near Buenaventura (about same longitude)
>According to navionics, to sail both these destinations: 1.Prta Isabel: Distance: 4923 miles. Heading 97 degrees on the compass. 2.Buenaventura Columbia: 7322 miles, Heading 68 degrees on the compass.
>In both cases no, course alterations have to be made, except for maybe an Island or two.
>In your flat Earth representation, for the shortest route, I would have to go North -easterly 41 on the compass and it would take several alterations in course to reach destination by default. The route, in both cases, is to go all the way up to California, en than down south to either Chili or Colombia. I would say, at least double the distance.
>As an alternative, it is possible to maintain a easterly course along the 33 parallel South, and I would then end up in Ptra Isabel, however, the distance is at least double the distance as calculated by Navionics.
>I'd dare you to take a boat and test your FE hypothesis and take that trip. I would be interested in knowing your heading and distance covered.
Why this particular challenge? Well, simply put, your argument goes against 300 years of experience and mathematics and, if I may be so bold: global finance. You really think transports take the long way home? distance = time = money. And since transport is a costs, the cheaper the better.
So, allow God to lift the veil by actually putting the money where your mouth is. And since it is claimed that this is a growing movement, financing the damn thing would be easy. As a matter of fact, there is a 3 bitcoin price to be won. That should help with the financing of this particular challenge.
God is what really matters to me. His son! So it don’t matter either way to me. I would like to be rich like Elon and have the means to explore the entire thing. I love the outdoors and there is a lot of outdoors in this beautiful world YHWH created for us. It’s just awesome!
I especially liked the way the camera on the right switches back and forth from curved horizon and straight horizon. As if something was turning the effect on and off. Why? Its like dangling Barry's birth certificate. Just show the real one and be done with the debate. There is just as much footage of flat as curved. Both sides are spiking the ball. Genius!
moon landings happened one way or another but I am certain were also faked so as to guarantee success.
Think about it, if you had the resources of the US gov't and had a mission of "go to the moon" wouldn't you do what you could to guarantee that the world saw that "you went to the moon" no matter what?
It doesn't matter if a human stepped on the moon when they supposedly did or if it was some time later or some time before, the world saw that we did it "first" so we won the space race, period.
That's all that mattered. The anomalies we see now and the contradictions are simply because it WAS faked - also.
Add in advanced tech, and that is another reason to fake it. We had to go "to the moon" with 1960s technology. Rockets and such.
That's another reason to fake it. We had to go, no matter what, and we had to do it with publicly accepted 1960s tech.
So if the rockets didn't work because they sucked, or if something went wrong with the rockets, we were gonna go as far as the public knew.
sorry for the rambling post, this is not a yes/no question. So many of the ideas, issues and problems of today are presented to us with a yes/no A/B premise, and they rarely are so simple.
If the earth was flat you would be able to see the Rocky Mountains from Chicago.
The fact that as you approach any tall object from a distance you see the top of it first is proof the earth is round. If it were flat you would see the entire object at the same time.
As a scuba diver looking through clear water in grand cayman I can see about 200 to 300 feet before everything is too opaque. I swim 300’ over and see that was not the end of the world because I can still see another 300’. Air has less water vapor so we can see 100s of miles. Long past the theoretical 0.666 feet of drop per mile squared. I drive the same stretch of flat highway and sometimes I can’t see the car in front through the fog or haze but I know the road didn’t arc to cause that. It’s just water in the air. Just like Genesis 1 describes. The hard glass like firmament separated the waters of outer space from the waters of our atmosphere
We can "see" as far as the stars and planets, so don't invent a physical restriction that doesn't exist. Mjs001 is correct, which is why the early sailing ships had crow's nests in the upper masts, for lookouts to provide early warning of ships or hazards that were not visible from the deck. Or are you saying they didn't have them?
Again, a fish eye lense will show a curvature where there is none. This film proves nothing.
I am not a flat earther but there are a few facts that disturb me and no one has been able to answer.
Given the curvature of the earth as known or widely accepted, at a 50 miles distance, two ships at sea should have no line of sight contact with each other because each ship would be 1667 feet below the horizon (or seas level) from line of sight contact.
Modern Navy destroyers have laser guided targeting systems that can paint a sea or land target at over 50 miles away for a missile strike at sea level.
If lasers (light rays) do not bend then line of sight targeting should be impossible on an object 1667 foot below line of sight level and yet we paint a laser target with line of site at over 50 miles.
Explain this to me like I am a child, I am listening.
That is what I assumed, but I have it confirmed by both navy and air force personal that they have seen it, even bragged about it but when I asked the same question to them that I did to you good folks, it got them scratching their head.
Their experiences did not include drones or fighters flying out and painting the targets. Just laser targeting from the ships, I even ran the numbers from 200 foot above sea level and the math still does not jive.
As mentioned above, no evidence of a fisheye lens being used, and even such lenses do not show much curvature for things near the centerline of the image.
As for ships and laser pointers, two things to consider: (1) We do not see with straight geometry, because the atmospheric refractive index gradient will cause the light rays to curve slightly and we will see beyond the strict geometric limit. This effect causes the setting or rising sun to be its own disk diameter lower just before geometric sunrise and just after geometric sunset. In radar, this is approximated by the 4/3 Earth rule, but there is still a real horizon, though farther away. (2) If the laser pointer is atop the superstructure, they will see farther anyway. You didn't specify the height above sea level that you are calculating from.
Also, if someone in the superstructure of a ship could see to the horizon 50 miles away. That would be true for someone else in another ship on the opposite side of the horizon. Which means that, superstructure-to-superstructure, they could see each other at a distance of 100 miles. You gotta think about these things.
Maybe it should be stressed more - these cameras are not fisheye lenses, as can clearly be seen by earth curvature panning left to right, across entire view, with zero distortion.
See 12:00 or so and following - left frame has less curvature given first stage separates at lower altitude, but it is quite clear.
Also. Light does bend. Depending on conditions, it curves more or less. The question you would then have to answer is not whether something far away can be seen, but why would it ever not be seen? For example, Chicago skyline can sometimes be seen across Lake Michigan from on top of sand dunes but only the upper parts of the buildings. If flat, why wouldnt the lower halves of the building always be visible with the top halves?
14:00-15:00 and beyond, the right view flips back and forth between showing a flat horizon and a very curved horizon. In any case, they should go further out and show us the big blue ball in one frame.
They can't. They are delivering a payload to low Earth orbit. Too low to do that. That's why we only have mosaic images. You have to be tens of thousands of kilometers high to see anything close to the whole Earth.
You would need a different launch vehicle to go to a higher delivery altitude, such as geostationary. So they didn't on this mission, but the vehicle probably did not have the performance capability. A Falcon Heavy would be able to reach the geostationary altitudes.
These cameras are fixed position, and fixed focus, showing what is visible at the particular altitude.
The two cameras they use in the right pane show two vantage points - one shows a much smaller area of earths surface than the other, and correspondingly, less arc.
You know, err, fish eye lens, which is so intelligent that it activates only when flat earth starts coming into its focus, and err, of course, the video was created in MS Word, and c'mon Earth is Flat OKAY???
(Just to be safe I will explicitly mention this is sarcasm, or else the modmail will get flooded)
If you mean curvature is less pronounced in the left one, this is because stage one stops sooner, and is very quickly falling back to earth.
Check around 12 minute mark and following, as this is approximately its high point, and earth pans left to right, curvature clearly visible with zero distortion.
Bahahaa. Look CLOSELY at 12 minutes 46 seconds - the rat appears briefly.... just like on a previous launch. Too funny. Any ideas on the symbolism of this flying rat cruising around? I smell a rat.
I keep trying to tell globe earthers that there is a reason why this movement isn’t going away, but instead keeps flipping more and more people every day, and it’s not because we’re all “stupid fucking idiots shut up you stupid fucking idiot” and it’s not because we’re all “stupid fucking feds shut up you stupid fucking fed”. It’s the same thing that is happening to the leftists with Trump and it’s the same thing that is happening to the Trump supporters with Q and it’s the same thing that is happening to the gentiles with the Individual-Americans. Everyone trying to stop all of these movements keeps using the same two argument tactics - ad hominem and appeal to authority - and when those don’t work, they switch to censorship and then strawman the competing argument to gaslight others.
But the Internet is connecting people and opening minds and the censorship is backfiring. Eventually people escape their current matrix until they are captured by the next matrix, then the next, then the next, and everyone in a matrix lashes out in anger at the people in the matrix beyond them. But all it takes to escape is a curious mind. A leftist watches one Ben Shapiro video and even though he is controlled opposition, it still breaks their matrix. Then they watch one Trump speech and it happens again. Then that Trump supporter reads one Q post and another matrix falls away. Then the Q researcher clicks on that one documentary about hidden histories or the Khazarian mafia or a Tik Tok about Helen Keller or whatever and another veil lifts.
I don’t hate people for the different matrix beliefs they are trapped in because I also fell for many of the hoaxes in history. I thought Helen Keller was a true story because that’s what the teachers said and I never really thought to question it, or think about it critically. I seem to remember questioning how a person could construct complex sentences of abstract thought by tapping on someone’s hand, but it was a fleeting thought, and you tended to trust authority back then and think, “Well, if it wasn’t true, someone would have figured it out and exposed the lie to the world.”
There is a sense that The Great Awakening will be worldwide and all at once. Trump or a team of Q people in military uniforms will hijack the airwaves and put up a Power Point presentation of The Truth and then everyone everywhere will believe it. But nowadays I not only don’t think it will happen like that, or that such a thing would even be possible. First of all, hijack the airwaves and how many people would even see it? A few million? Everyone else is out shopping or doing something else. So what? It takes over every phone at the same time too? OK, that could get more attention, but then what? What is the photo Q team could show that would actually change everyone’s minds at once? Would it be a loop of HRC drinking blood? Joe Biden taking a mask off? All I think that would do is everyone who already opposed those people would believe it and everyone who supports them wouldn’t. But almost nothing would change. People would still be arguing with their leftist co-worker: “But you SAW the video of Joe Biden taking off his mask! He’s a reptile! Q Team said it!” And they would say, “Trump is the real reptile! That video was fake! Now what, you want me to drink bleach too?”
Also, this subject is supposed to be banned here so not sure why it’s posted.
Well said. Also the selective quotes of Q posts as if everything Q ever said was 100% truthful and fact is more like leftists screaming a CNN source than anything.
Q has said plenty of things that did not happen as fact. The exercise being of CRITICAL THINKING and SELF-INVESTIGATION, not trusting blindly everything someone tells you.
I am somewhat agnostic on this issue, I have attempted some experiments myself which I found interesting, but I don't have a rocket ship to fly up high enough to see actual curvature and not atmospheric or lens (including eyes) distortion.
I believe in God either way, however seeing as the scripture speaks of a disc not a ball (and the word ball existed in scripture), I think that at the very least, the book was written for the common cosmology of the time in the Hebrew cultures.
NOW why don't the ardent Globe-Earthers, the ones who constantly attack and belittle Flat-Earthers explain all the outright Satanic principles about the Accepted Globe theory, such as our 66.6 degree tilt (which they're now saying is actually 66.3, ok guys)? Or how we can TRUST the actual Nazi's that worked in NASA for reasons...
I keep trying to tell globe earthers that there is a reason why this movement isn’t going away, but instead keeps flipping more and more people every day
Because a lot of people think emotionally instead of logically, and are scientifically illiterate, allowing scammers to prey on them. Exactly what happened with the COVID jabs.
But the Internet is connecting people and opening minds and the censorship is backfiring.
The internet also allows con men and useful idiots to spew their irrational nonsense. Being open minded is not an inherently good quality, especially when you're so open minded that your brain falls out.
She spoke with a British accent. How would a human being who never heard another human voice or saw another human being move their lips acquire a perfect Queen’s English accent?
Then you dig deeper into her story and she was a radical communist/Marxist, writing books about feminism and socialism. All this from someone pushing on her hand with their fingers? And she was a pilot too?
Uh.
Go back and watch some of the old newsreels of her and see if you believe it. To me she looks like an obvious con woman. She’s matching facial expressions when she’s supposed to be blind. She appears to be looking at things straight out. At one point someone hands her a mic and I think she reaches to take it as if she saw it approaching. She’s got that woman fiddling her fingers around in her palm as if she’s translating what people are saying to her, but sometimes Helen Keller starts to respond before the woman has even finished smearing her fingers around. And when you watch the finger movements, it’s the same nonsense flurry each time. No elaborate system of three presses on this side of the thumb, then a half-rotation of the index finger, followed by a pinch, and that means “socialism”. It’s just random flurry, random flurry, random flurry, and Helen Keller kicks in with her Queen’s English about women’s suffrage.
I’ve been at the top of the Washington monument and Sears tower and on top of mountain peaks and in airplanes I have never seen a curve. The more you zoom in the more things come back into view. And water always finds its level. Other than that it is a gigantic ball because that is what we are TOLD to believe. The sad thing about all of this flat earth business is that just like all science, there are those that will tell you it is proven fact when in reality they themselves have not conducted one single experiment to confirm. I have. Using common sense. I can tell you that nobody really knows and the ones that do seem to flip flop on their answers. Take astronauts for example, there are the ones that have denied and those few that have confirmed. The problem is the ones that denied then later in life changed their story. All most as if someone was controlling their freedom to speak on the matter. The evidence seems to suggest that there is no way for the earth to be a perfect sphere. Water is the easiest to see. Water does not bubble into a curve. It remains flat. No matter what. How can the only way water can curve be in the only way that nobody can prove it? So the ocean curves upward and the water just holds its shape in this way? Naw. Impossible. We are not being told the full truth about anything. Why? Because to control what is truth and what is fiction is to control people. There is no curve. I’ve seen it. Fromm 555’1/8” up and as high as 1500’ above sea level. There is a place in west Texas in Big Spring state park where you have almost a 360degree view. You are miles above sea level and you can see the sky all around you. It is a flat line all the way around. No curve. I have seen it with my own eyes. Not arguing one way or the other because as I said before. There is no way for me to prove it. I do not have a space ship and I cannot get past the radiation belt that would burn my flesh of in seconds. I’ve always wondered how they got through that safely when they “went” to the moon. Camera lenses will distort view but your eyes never lie. They see the facts. Truth. Reality.
"Water does not bubble into a curve." Ergo, there are no such things as raindrops. Also view some footage taken during zero-g flights in airplanes.
"I cannot get past the radiation belt that would burn my flesh off in seconds." Really? How would you know such a falsehood? Please explain why the Van Allen belts didn't destroy the satellite that discovered them---when the satellite was not designed to withstand something that no one knew about beforehand.
Truth and reality are meaningless to those who confuse them with fable and illusion.
I had to backtrack to figure out what you were referring to. Van Allen radiation consists of high-energy electrons and protons. The electrons are easily stopped. The protons will penetrate. Not enough to "cook flesh," but enough over time to cause cellular damage. The solution? Don't hang around. Get through it quickly. An aluminum fuselage will reduce the radiation. It is NOT like microwave radiation.
That's a real "what?"... Where did you get that ridiculous number? Can't you calculate it for yourself? You are not in a position to know what looks fake or not.
What is great about this footage is the earth actually traverses the entire view, and passing left to right, curvature apparent during the entire sequence. Moreover, cloud pattern around 12:30 point can be seen with no distortion, as it passes across the first stage view.
You can send your own camera up in a helium weather balloon to see the curvature, I wonder why FE's haven't done that yet 🤔
Done. And its not there. Actually accomplished in 1931. A man named Picard.
So apparently according to you guys our planet is the only one that's flat, you can clearly see other planets as spheres with your own telescope
You cant reason with flat earthers. The C_A programming runs too deep. In that they are exactly like the covidiots. These two groups are the dumbest on the planet.
I have tried explaining lunar libration to them but they just gloss it over. With my own eyes I have seen the moons of Jupiter and Saturn as they disappear behind the planets and done the mathematical calculations to predict when they reappear. They ignore this information. I have explained how Pythagoras sundial experiment 3000 years ago proved the earth is a globe and 500 years later was confirmed by Eratosthenes startingly accurate calculation of the earths circumference to no avail.
Not sure who “you guys” are but apparently you people assume gender. Reeee. Just kidding. I understand your point of view because I was you two years ago. I am an experienced engineer with multiple telescopes a lifelong love of space and nasa. I set out to prove this ridiculous sounding concept wrong. First realize the magician doesn’t cut the woman in half and roll her two halves around the stage. You saw it with your eyes. When Penn and Teller explain the illusion don’t shout them down and claim they are retarded. They are not. They also can’t enjoy a magic show like a kid anymore. Can you see a 3D sphere through your single eyepiece on your telescope? Would you play baseball with one eye shut? With proper shading street art makes amazing 3D holes appear on flat concrete
Not even remotely CGI. The key tell to the curvature of the Earth is not even the circular horizon, but the fact that as the land masses get closer to the rim, they are clearly more angled away from the axis of view. If the Earth were flat, all the surface would be at the same apparent angle.
Who are you to say "don't trust it," when all you have to offer is ignorant prejudice?
Interesting idea. I’m eating lunch and my chin is approximately 90 degrees perpendicular to the flat level table. As I look to the far edge, the perimeter edge is clearly curved but it is at a 45 degree angle to my chin. A penny under my face looks round but the one across the table looks oval. So the assumption that all angles are same is provable and measurable false
This, basically.
Also: horrible cgi
Yes. As I walk past my kiddie pool which I know is round perimeter with a flat water surface, it looks oval from this side perspective but clearly the edges are curved against the green yard background so therefore it’s a ball of magic water that doesn’t fall out. I must verify this ball of kiddie pool because I recall they were stacked at the store in a nested column. I push my sailboat around the perimeter to circumnavigate from east to west and sure as shit I end up in the same place so it is confirmed my pool is in fact a ball. My neighbor asked if I would sail around my ball north south or from the middle to the side and bottom and back to the middle from the other side. I threw dog shit at him for being retarded and banned him from my yard. I climbed on my roof and looked straight down on my kiddie pool and that round beautiful ball hasn’t lost a drop. Now I’m going to set my pool on a merry go round and crank the speed up to 66,600 mph to prove the spin doesn’t affect the flat water surface. Everyone knows centrifuges are witchcraft left over from the dark ages.
Lol! “I threw dog shit at him for being retarded” 😂
Nope. Spherical aberration is not what you think it is. It affects the clarity of focus, not the shape of the visual field. You are confusing it with wide-angle lenses that can produce curved lines from extreme lateral perspective. But there is no perceptible "fisheye" effect going on in these images. The Earth image is mostly center field where no fisheye effect would be present.
this is my new favourite comment on GAW. please start the potato shaped earth society.
While you guys are laughing over the potato comment
Guys like Niel Degrass are mocking us all
And ACTUALLY claiming it’s “shaped more so like a Potato”
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20335-earth-is-shaped-like-a-lumpy-potato/
After years of slamming the perfect round marble sphere into our skulls…
No seriously, look it up. That’s where we’re at now, a potatoe.
Not saying the earth is flat, but tend to believe lies as big as a flat earth do exist in terms of space, the planet, our origins etc.
Come to think of it why is it in 2023 we can
Send 4k cameras and drones to Mars
Launch random teslas into space causing more space junk, because muh science
Land on the moon w lawn chairs and tinfoils
Make FaceTimes and webcams across the globe and communicate w those in outerspace clearly and precisely…
BUT WE DON’T HAVE A SIMPLE 240 QUALITY WEBCAM AT THE VERY LEAST, POSTED ON THE MOON POINTING AT EARTH 24/7
LOL must have lost all that tech along w the ability to land on the moon in the 50s w a GameBoy equivalent computer?
timing is everything. we aren't ready to see that webcam yet, but the time is coming soon
I just want the brand of 12v that voyager used in -400 degrees F for decades. Mine craps out at +20 degrees F if I don’t drive daily. Come on naza give us the brand
The variations from a sphere are at the scale of a few tens of kilometers. The Earth is otherwise a sphere with a diameter over 12,000 kilometers. Scale that to a basketball and see if there is a visible difference. Before there was liquid water, there was molten rock...
Serious Question...If you pause the video at 15:23. There are two images. One appears to show the earth round. One appears to show the earth completely flat I put a ruler on it.....and ironically the flat appearance is in the higher altitude camera. ..So I don't know what the question should be.....which one is correct?
So the right side is higher in altitude, as it is the second stage. However, it has two cameras, alternating and showing two different vantage points — one shows engine in line with earth, the second shows an engine with space behind it and a much smaller section of earth in the frame. Smaller section has correspondingly less arc, so what length of arc you can see looks less curved. Over time though, earth pans across both first and second stage cameras, just at different times, and you can see the curvature in both cameras of the second stage. I agree this can be confusing.
Well, the Earth is round, so the only question is why the one image made the horizon appear straight. If I recall correctly, that was the camera on the second stage, which may have had a different field of view. As someone already suggested, if the field of view was small (but magnified), the Earth curvature could look flat. (I recall the engine assembly blocking the center of the horizon span, which may have contributed to the appearance by omitting the center bulge.) My own hunch is that the exhaust plume was refracting the image slightly
Watch the right side camera from 5-12 minutes. It shows straight then curved then straight. Yeah. Everyone is right.
haha I was thinking this exact same thing!
LOL nice
I'm an engineer, not a flat earther. I'm an '"Elon" fan (or whomever is acting that part) and I follow him daily on Twitter. I believe without doubt that the Apollo missions were faked. But I worry about the lame thermal wrapping on this rocket engine, very reminiscent of the 1968 lunar lander prop; and about the scratchy audio on the commentator. She's not in space, so why is her audio so 1966? These days I automatically question everything I see, particularly if it is not censored on mainstream platforms like YT.
u/#q2225
I remember listening to some talk show interview and the person claimed that there was a second mission at the same time as a backup because at the time space travel was still super dangerous. What they claimed was basically what Q said..the public footage was faked however the landing was real and a secret mission or project or whatever.
Q most definitely did not say that. You are putting your fantasy into his mouth. Nothing secret about the Moon landings.
What I really mean is that the public, as q literally said in that post, is not aware of everything hence “outside public domain”
I’m not saying there are space bases or anything. I’m saying that sometimes, just like the Manhattan project and the Bomber programs they kept things completely under wraps until they didn’t want to anymore. It’s not far fetched at all that they faked the video at the time.
Okay, I get your reasonable position. But, yeah, it is far-fetched that anyone faked anything about the Moon landing. Absolutely no reason to do it, when we were able to do it for real. And, you know something...the spirit of the time would not have countenanced any fakery. The nation was too committed and too determined to do it. I don't know about you, but I was there and then, and I worked with colleagues who were on the program.
They killed the astronauts and had to hide it from the public. We have no idea who was actually on that shuttle.
What are you talking about? We know exactly who were on the Challenger and the Columbia. No shuttle went to the Moon. And we knew exactly who went to the Moon. Maybe you want to spool back to the beginning...
Do a deep dive on challenger. There are many pictures of the crew alive with different names (allegedly).
Now I’m not arguing flat earth or anything but I am saying it’s a rabbit hole.
At this point I don't know why we bother INSISTING on anything.
I agree. My point is, people who think we never went to moon because the public tech was so stupidly primitive at that time - they are half correct and half wrong.
The public footage was faked but the landings were real.
Though, I reject the notion that we somehow can't get there again because of "forgotten tech".
Bring us there, dammit. Imagine getting new material decades apart, with better collection tech and more capacity.
We should be aiming to set foot on the moon again, and yet none of these companies do.
The moon also makes sense as a launching point for heavier payloads as required thrust to get off the ground would be less.
If we could colonize the moon, it would pay off in very interesting ways.
If we are worried about radiation out in the vacuum, then we aren't prepared for Mars either.
Additionally, once again, I don't know why we don't offer a trip to space for the progression of science to death row inmates.
It's not cruel, it's not unusual, and it's not a reward. They will die up there, it's just a matter of what data we can collect until they do.
This is what makes me conclude that there was some urgent reason why the Cabal needed to launch to Moon. They did not even have proper optics cover for this OP, hence such horrible optics as Apollo.
Even today, with SpaceX in the public's mind for all these years, they still dont have the optics to cover the real tech needed to launch to Moon.
I think of Moon as Antarctia. A base for the controllers of Earth.
LOL it's definitely unusual, and it's definitely a reward if they're gonna die anyway.
We cannot do it because the real astronauts that went died in the radiation. Everything else was to cover this up. And if they send anyone else up there it will only confirm to the public that man never stepped on the moon. We may have landed a vessel on the moon but the bodies that were inside were cooked to a crisp.
Arent there ways to block radiation?
Obviously 3 layers of aluminum foil with cardboard flaps should do it. Wait what is the temperature of the thermosphere? Why didn’t the tin foil melt?
That’s like saying there is a suit you can wear that will protect you when you step on the sun. That amount of radiation idk
Incredible bullshit. They zipped through the Van Allen belts at thousands of miles per hour. The belts were never a problem for the probes we sent through it. They did not destroy our first satellite, Explorer 1, which discovered the belts. This is the sort of grotesque fantasy that can come only from someone who is completely ignorant of the situation.
On NAZAs own website, the videos of the Orion project clearly stated that the van Allen belts pose a severe design challenge. 6' thick lead walls weighs as much as a giant blob of lead
We are gearing up for Mars missions, so I would expect us to resolve that.
Radiation is a problem for sure, x rays and gamma rays do penetrate through those suits so I'm not sure how it'd be handled actually.
The public footage was real. Just because you don't understand what you saw doesn't mean it was faked. It showed phenomena that could only have been produced in lunar gravity and vacuum.
Let me guess, from years of experience as a Lunar launch specialist ?
Yes, and if you you question anything, anything at all, you're a dunce. He has 40 years experience in the industry and such. I'm surprised he didn't remind you of his superior credentials and intellect yet. 😂
Oh nice, you are defending the "expert in everything" who passionately explained to every one why no one can shoot down the Chinese balloons - just one day before they were shot - based on his subject expertise! And todays later repeated the same thing with something else, not claiming a new subject expertise.
May I suggest not to butt into things you don't know?
No. From 40 years of aerospace engineering at a company that built the Lunar Orbiters, the first stage of the Saturn V, the Moon Buggy, and the Inertial Upper Stage. You have years of sideline spectator experience, right?
I have years of experience dealing with idiots.
As a scuba diver I am amazed at the ability of our air to stay trapped right next to the infinite vacuum of sgayce without a hard shell tank like a dome. Space. Sorry even my spellcheck knows
It's called gravity. The atmosphere fades away with altitude. There is a tiny, tiny fraction of air molecules at the upper reaches of the atmosphere that have escape velocity and "boil off" into space. But this goes on for millions of years. That is where helium goes if we do not capture it for use.
That's not how pressure works. My tire has 35# regardless if I check the valve stem on top or bottom. My scuba tank doesn't settle high pressure to the bottom. All science that is reproducible somehow is flipped into opposite world when NAZA is involved. Gravity is still a theory because it cannot be proven. Buoyancy and density are science. Centrifuge or merry go rounds sling liquid to the outside just like the tires on my jeep. But spin me a ball at speeds that shreds oak trees and steel buildings and magically the water is pulled down still as a mirror. NY to LA is a 2 hour flight but LA to NY takes two days when NY comes up behind the plane just land. Long range shooters never calculate which direction they are facing. Never shoot a slow 45 cap due west unless you want to get smacked in the face with the bullet. It really is comical once you question what can't be reproduced. How many times have you heard that DJT always lies and Qanon is a cult conspiracy. When you ask for specifics all you get is everyone knows and its safe and effective. I had no idea the bible has hundreds of proofs for geocentric created model until I researched. Heliosorcery is a good start to see how Copernicus introduced his heliocentric theory just a few centuries ago
I could believe this. Probably cooked the astronauts and they had to cover up their deaths. Cannot admit that we sent them on a death mission.
No death mission. You are preferring a lie over the truth.
Q also said misinformation is necessary so we cannot have it both ways. Programs such as those of the cia and their ministry of disinformation also exist outside of the public domain. The earth is a spiritual realm. A heaven. A dimension . When God removes the veil we will see multi dimensional and realize that what we see is only because of what God allows us to see.
Let's analyze what you are saying.
We have stereo view. Meaning, to the movie on the back of our mind it seems as if there are the following dimensions:
And we see movement, meaning we see through time. => 4th dimension. Our brains are capable of reproduction of these sequences.
So, we already see multi-dimensional.
Why not. Based on your argument, anything Q wrote about can be tossed out. So, where does that leave you? Wasting your time here?
Perhaps it is time to learn a few things in real live by taking up my challenge for anyone who doubts the shape of our earth. Go sailing the route I challenged any FE-proponent to take. And this is not about circumnavigation, as that does proof only it is possible to sail around a central point, which is quite feasible on all three models of the earth: flat, spherical and hollow.
No it is specifically this:
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Why this particular challenge? Well, simply put, your argument goes against 300 years of experience and mathematics and, if I may be so bold: global finance. You really think transports take the long way home? distance = time = money. And since transport is a costs, the cheaper the better.
So, allow God to lift the veil by actually putting the money where your mouth is. And since it is claimed that this is a growing movement, financing the damn thing would be easy. As a matter of fact, there is a 3 bitcoin price to be won. That should help with the financing of this particular challenge.
I dare you to do it, to make it happen.
I will take the bet that no matter how many dimensions there are, the earth is still an N-spherical.
God is what really matters to me. His son! So it don’t matter either way to me. I would like to be rich like Elon and have the means to explore the entire thing. I love the outdoors and there is a lot of outdoors in this beautiful world YHWH created for us. It’s just awesome!
I was thinking I’d like to buy some of that space foil for the next time I smoke a brisket.
You may not even need wood or a smoker depending on if the foil made it to space or not.
I especially liked the way the camera on the right switches back and forth from curved horizon and straight horizon. As if something was turning the effect on and off. Why? Its like dangling Barry's birth certificate. Just show the real one and be done with the debate. There is just as much footage of flat as curved. Both sides are spiking the ball. Genius!
I was thinking the same thing traveling at 11000 kilometers per hour....
moon landings happened one way or another but I am certain were also faked so as to guarantee success.
Think about it, if you had the resources of the US gov't and had a mission of "go to the moon" wouldn't you do what you could to guarantee that the world saw that "you went to the moon" no matter what?
It doesn't matter if a human stepped on the moon when they supposedly did or if it was some time later or some time before, the world saw that we did it "first" so we won the space race, period.
That's all that mattered. The anomalies we see now and the contradictions are simply because it WAS faked - also.
Add in advanced tech, and that is another reason to fake it. We had to go "to the moon" with 1960s technology. Rockets and such.
That's another reason to fake it. We had to go, no matter what, and we had to do it with publicly accepted 1960s tech.
So if the rockets didn't work because they sucked, or if something went wrong with the rockets, we were gonna go as far as the public knew.
sorry for the rambling post, this is not a yes/no question. So many of the ideas, issues and problems of today are presented to us with a yes/no A/B premise, and they rarely are so simple.
If the earth was flat you would be able to see the Rocky Mountains from Chicago.
The fact that as you approach any tall object from a distance you see the top of it first is proof the earth is round. If it were flat you would see the entire object at the same time.
As a scuba diver looking through clear water in grand cayman I can see about 200 to 300 feet before everything is too opaque. I swim 300’ over and see that was not the end of the world because I can still see another 300’. Air has less water vapor so we can see 100s of miles. Long past the theoretical 0.666 feet of drop per mile squared. I drive the same stretch of flat highway and sometimes I can’t see the car in front through the fog or haze but I know the road didn’t arc to cause that. It’s just water in the air. Just like Genesis 1 describes. The hard glass like firmament separated the waters of outer space from the waters of our atmosphere
No you couldn’t. You can’t see that far not just because of curvature
We can "see" as far as the stars and planets, so don't invent a physical restriction that doesn't exist. Mjs001 is correct, which is why the early sailing ships had crow's nests in the upper masts, for lookouts to provide early warning of ships or hazards that were not visible from the deck. Or are you saying they didn't have them?
LOL "you can't see that far" when you can see across lightyears of space
Can't wast time arguing with some folks man...this is a Q board, not necessarily an IQ board ;)
You get a gold star.
Absolutely false. The atmosphere is not utterly transparent. Visibility through the density of the atmosphere is not infinite.
Yet the sun manages to get through it just fine
And radar goes through water vapor and clouds. There is a radar horizon.
Again, a fish eye lense will show a curvature where there is none. This film proves nothing.
I am not a flat earther but there are a few facts that disturb me and no one has been able to answer.
Given the curvature of the earth as known or widely accepted, at a 50 miles distance, two ships at sea should have no line of sight contact with each other because each ship would be 1667 feet below the horizon (or seas level) from line of sight contact.
https://earthcurvature.com
Modern Navy destroyers have laser guided targeting systems that can paint a sea or land target at over 50 miles away for a missile strike at sea level.
If lasers (light rays) do not bend then line of sight targeting should be impossible on an object 1667 foot below line of sight level and yet we paint a laser target with line of site at over 50 miles.
Explain this to me like I am a child, I am listening.
I'm pretty sure someone closer points the laser.
That is what I assumed, but I have it confirmed by both navy and air force personal that they have seen it, even bragged about it but when I asked the same question to them that I did to you good folks, it got them scratching their head.
Their experiences did not include drones or fighters flying out and painting the targets. Just laser targeting from the ships, I even ran the numbers from 200 foot above sea level and the math still does not jive.
As mentioned above, no evidence of a fisheye lens being used, and even such lenses do not show much curvature for things near the centerline of the image.
As for ships and laser pointers, two things to consider: (1) We do not see with straight geometry, because the atmospheric refractive index gradient will cause the light rays to curve slightly and we will see beyond the strict geometric limit. This effect causes the setting or rising sun to be its own disk diameter lower just before geometric sunrise and just after geometric sunset. In radar, this is approximated by the 4/3 Earth rule, but there is still a real horizon, though farther away. (2) If the laser pointer is atop the superstructure, they will see farther anyway. You didn't specify the height above sea level that you are calculating from.
Also, if someone in the superstructure of a ship could see to the horizon 50 miles away. That would be true for someone else in another ship on the opposite side of the horizon. Which means that, superstructure-to-superstructure, they could see each other at a distance of 100 miles. You gotta think about these things.
Maybe it should be stressed more - these cameras are not fisheye lenses, as can clearly be seen by earth curvature panning left to right, across entire view, with zero distortion.
See 12:00 or so and following - left frame has less curvature given first stage separates at lower altitude, but it is quite clear.
Oh boy, you can repeat it as many times as you like, but there are some here who will never care and keep claiming fish eye
Yes. Those who have no idea how a "fisheye" lens works, and only imagine how it works.
Also. Light does bend. Depending on conditions, it curves more or less. The question you would then have to answer is not whether something far away can be seen, but why would it ever not be seen? For example, Chicago skyline can sometimes be seen across Lake Michigan from on top of sand dunes but only the upper parts of the buildings. If flat, why wouldnt the lower halves of the building always be visible with the top halves?
14:00-15:00 and beyond, the right view flips back and forth between showing a flat horizon and a very curved horizon. In any case, they should go further out and show us the big blue ball in one frame.
They can't. They are delivering a payload to low Earth orbit. Too low to do that. That's why we only have mosaic images. You have to be tens of thousands of kilometers high to see anything close to the whole Earth.
"They can't" or they didn't in this mission?
You would need a different launch vehicle to go to a higher delivery altitude, such as geostationary. So they didn't on this mission, but the vehicle probably did not have the performance capability. A Falcon Heavy would be able to reach the geostationary altitudes.
These cameras are fixed position, and fixed focus, showing what is visible at the particular altitude.
The two cameras they use in the right pane show two vantage points - one shows a much smaller area of earths surface than the other, and correspondingly, less arc.
Max-Q (10:03)
Kek.
https://qposts.online/post/1003
Noticed that too. ;)
You know, err, fish eye lens, which is so intelligent that it activates only when flat earth starts coming into its focus, and err, of course, the video was created in MS Word, and c'mon Earth is Flat OKAY???
(Just to be safe I will explicitly mention this is sarcasm, or else the modmail will get flooded)
The warning to flatheads, I mean flat-earthers, is kekkable
Kek!
One view looks curved and one does not
If you mean curvature is less pronounced in the left one, this is because stage one stops sooner, and is very quickly falling back to earth.
Check around 12 minute mark and following, as this is approximately its high point, and earth pans left to right, curvature clearly visible with zero distortion.
Video is queued to T-3 seconds. Each of 2 rocket stages has its own rear-facing camera.
After 20 second burn, first stage begins falling back to earth, while 2nd stage proceeds, with both video feeds shown split screen.
Split view begins at 12:28, with stage separation.
flat earth is just like "birds aren't real" except not as fun
Bahahaa. Look CLOSELY at 12 minutes 46 seconds - the rat appears briefly.... just like on a previous launch. Too funny. Any ideas on the symbolism of this flying rat cruising around? I smell a rat.
"In preparation for Max Q!"
Q 1 0 liftoff
Ahem.
I believe the term is “Flat Earth Fags”.
Let’s be nice.
What? Did I spell FBI wrong?
https://conspiracies.win/p/15Jn6esKL3/why-do-you-reject-the-wisdom-of-/c/
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I keep trying to tell globe earthers that there is a reason why this movement isn’t going away, but instead keeps flipping more and more people every day, and it’s not because we’re all “stupid fucking idiots shut up you stupid fucking idiot” and it’s not because we’re all “stupid fucking feds shut up you stupid fucking fed”. It’s the same thing that is happening to the leftists with Trump and it’s the same thing that is happening to the Trump supporters with Q and it’s the same thing that is happening to the gentiles with the Individual-Americans. Everyone trying to stop all of these movements keeps using the same two argument tactics - ad hominem and appeal to authority - and when those don’t work, they switch to censorship and then strawman the competing argument to gaslight others.
But the Internet is connecting people and opening minds and the censorship is backfiring. Eventually people escape their current matrix until they are captured by the next matrix, then the next, then the next, and everyone in a matrix lashes out in anger at the people in the matrix beyond them. But all it takes to escape is a curious mind. A leftist watches one Ben Shapiro video and even though he is controlled opposition, it still breaks their matrix. Then they watch one Trump speech and it happens again. Then that Trump supporter reads one Q post and another matrix falls away. Then the Q researcher clicks on that one documentary about hidden histories or the Khazarian mafia or a Tik Tok about Helen Keller or whatever and another veil lifts.
I don’t hate people for the different matrix beliefs they are trapped in because I also fell for many of the hoaxes in history. I thought Helen Keller was a true story because that’s what the teachers said and I never really thought to question it, or think about it critically. I seem to remember questioning how a person could construct complex sentences of abstract thought by tapping on someone’s hand, but it was a fleeting thought, and you tended to trust authority back then and think, “Well, if it wasn’t true, someone would have figured it out and exposed the lie to the world.”
There is a sense that The Great Awakening will be worldwide and all at once. Trump or a team of Q people in military uniforms will hijack the airwaves and put up a Power Point presentation of The Truth and then everyone everywhere will believe it. But nowadays I not only don’t think it will happen like that, or that such a thing would even be possible. First of all, hijack the airwaves and how many people would even see it? A few million? Everyone else is out shopping or doing something else. So what? It takes over every phone at the same time too? OK, that could get more attention, but then what? What is the photo Q team could show that would actually change everyone’s minds at once? Would it be a loop of HRC drinking blood? Joe Biden taking a mask off? All I think that would do is everyone who already opposed those people would believe it and everyone who supports them wouldn’t. But almost nothing would change. People would still be arguing with their leftist co-worker: “But you SAW the video of Joe Biden taking off his mask! He’s a reptile! Q Team said it!” And they would say, “Trump is the real reptile! That video was fake! Now what, you want me to drink bleach too?”
Also, this subject is supposed to be banned here so not sure why it’s posted.
Well said. Also the selective quotes of Q posts as if everything Q ever said was 100% truthful and fact is more like leftists screaming a CNN source than anything.
Q has said plenty of things that did not happen as fact. The exercise being of CRITICAL THINKING and SELF-INVESTIGATION, not trusting blindly everything someone tells you.
I am somewhat agnostic on this issue, I have attempted some experiments myself which I found interesting, but I don't have a rocket ship to fly up high enough to see actual curvature and not atmospheric or lens (including eyes) distortion.
I believe in God either way, however seeing as the scripture speaks of a disc not a ball (and the word ball existed in scripture), I think that at the very least, the book was written for the common cosmology of the time in the Hebrew cultures.
NOW why don't the ardent Globe-Earthers, the ones who constantly attack and belittle Flat-Earthers explain all the outright Satanic principles about the Accepted Globe theory, such as our 66.6 degree tilt (which they're now saying is actually 66.3, ok guys)? Or how we can TRUST the actual Nazi's that worked in NASA for reasons...
Because a lot of people think emotionally instead of logically, and are scientifically illiterate, allowing scammers to prey on them. Exactly what happened with the COVID jabs.
The internet also allows con men and useful idiots to spew their irrational nonsense. Being open minded is not an inherently good quality, especially when you're so open minded that your brain falls out.
Wait. The Helen Keller story isn't real?
She spoke with a British accent. How would a human being who never heard another human voice or saw another human being move their lips acquire a perfect Queen’s English accent?
Then you dig deeper into her story and she was a radical communist/Marxist, writing books about feminism and socialism. All this from someone pushing on her hand with their fingers? And she was a pilot too?
Uh.
Go back and watch some of the old newsreels of her and see if you believe it. To me she looks like an obvious con woman. She’s matching facial expressions when she’s supposed to be blind. She appears to be looking at things straight out. At one point someone hands her a mic and I think she reaches to take it as if she saw it approaching. She’s got that woman fiddling her fingers around in her palm as if she’s translating what people are saying to her, but sometimes Helen Keller starts to respond before the woman has even finished smearing her fingers around. And when you watch the finger movements, it’s the same nonsense flurry each time. No elaborate system of three presses on this side of the thumb, then a half-rotation of the index finger, followed by a pinch, and that means “socialism”. It’s just random flurry, random flurry, random flurry, and Helen Keller kicks in with her Queen’s English about women’s suffrage.
I’ve been at the top of the Washington monument and Sears tower and on top of mountain peaks and in airplanes I have never seen a curve. The more you zoom in the more things come back into view. And water always finds its level. Other than that it is a gigantic ball because that is what we are TOLD to believe. The sad thing about all of this flat earth business is that just like all science, there are those that will tell you it is proven fact when in reality they themselves have not conducted one single experiment to confirm. I have. Using common sense. I can tell you that nobody really knows and the ones that do seem to flip flop on their answers. Take astronauts for example, there are the ones that have denied and those few that have confirmed. The problem is the ones that denied then later in life changed their story. All most as if someone was controlling their freedom to speak on the matter. The evidence seems to suggest that there is no way for the earth to be a perfect sphere. Water is the easiest to see. Water does not bubble into a curve. It remains flat. No matter what. How can the only way water can curve be in the only way that nobody can prove it? So the ocean curves upward and the water just holds its shape in this way? Naw. Impossible. We are not being told the full truth about anything. Why? Because to control what is truth and what is fiction is to control people. There is no curve. I’ve seen it. Fromm 555’1/8” up and as high as 1500’ above sea level. There is a place in west Texas in Big Spring state park where you have almost a 360degree view. You are miles above sea level and you can see the sky all around you. It is a flat line all the way around. No curve. I have seen it with my own eyes. Not arguing one way or the other because as I said before. There is no way for me to prove it. I do not have a space ship and I cannot get past the radiation belt that would burn my flesh of in seconds. I’ve always wondered how they got through that safely when they “went” to the moon. Camera lenses will distort view but your eyes never lie. They see the facts. Truth. Reality.
Whenever I go to the beach and look at the horizon, I can see the curve. Truth. Reality.
"Water does not bubble into a curve." Ergo, there are no such things as raindrops. Also view some footage taken during zero-g flights in airplanes.
"I cannot get past the radiation belt that would burn my flesh off in seconds." Really? How would you know such a falsehood? Please explain why the Van Allen belts didn't destroy the satellite that discovered them---when the satellite was not designed to withstand something that no one knew about beforehand.
Truth and reality are meaningless to those who confuse them with fable and illusion.
Moisture. That’s why it cooks flesh. Radiation. Not necessarily heat. I could be wrong. I’m always open to learn more.
I had to backtrack to figure out what you were referring to. Van Allen radiation consists of high-energy electrons and protons. The electrons are easily stopped. The protons will penetrate. Not enough to "cook flesh," but enough over time to cause cellular damage. The solution? Don't hang around. Get through it quickly. An aluminum fuselage will reduce the radiation. It is NOT like microwave radiation.
I believe in the firmament. This shit still looks fake to me. Until you send me up in a rocket I will always be sceptical.
Especially since the Earth is supposedly traveling at what, 66,600 mph?
You can book your flight @ 250.000 dollars a pop through space-X
That's a real "what?"... Where did you get that ridiculous number? Can't you calculate it for yourself? You are not in a position to know what looks fake or not.
We are given clues and comms all the time.
12m46s.
We briefly see, and not for the first time, the rat...
What does this imply?
Some people cant take a joke i guess
Art imitates life?