They definitely are, both directly and indirectly. One of the first non-mainstream stories I heard out of Ukraine after the Russians got involved was a Spetsnaz team breaking up a child smuggling ring. The kids they rescued were from all over; Ukraine, Russia, Europe, America...
Years ago my wife and I were looking to adopt and actually looked at Russia and Ukraine. Before we went through the process we ended up adopting a baby from one of our old foster kid's sister (we had our own twins but lost one in pregnancy so we also did foster care for many years).
About 10 years later we saw Russia turn off their international adoption factory - they gave a few reasons about a case of verbal abuse and one idiot American family sending a kid back but the reasons didn't seem strong to me.
Fast forward to stuff like this article happening today and it looks like Putin has been saving the children for far longer than I thought. He stopped the international trafficking in Russian kids. Now he's doing Ukraine.
My cousin has two adopted Russian daughters. She got them both as infants and neither knows any other family. One is still in HS the other just finished her second year at Michigan. Based family, based young woman, no worries about her being indoctrinated at liberal UM.
Only 15 years? She desserves an helicopter ride and not 15 years of taxpayer money to be fed and kept warm. Also, all her belongings should be sold to benefit the kids.🤬
Came to say EXACTLY this. That fat fuking crunt needs to die slowly and publicly. We need to reinstitute public torture for child predators. Period. No arguments. No “But muh slippery slope … But muh civilized society ..” bullshit. Slow, horrible, agonizing death.
The only thing that keeps us civilized is constant reminders that you can't behave like an animal. Society is obligated to make a very public and prominent display of this woman to ensure that everyone knows you don't ever harm the next generation. A strong society would send a message.
No, Fedbois, I'm not going to define what kind of message, so don't think you're going to tag me an an "extremist." But 15 years of jail time for 15 years of pimping out kids to be abused by pedophiles is not sufficient punishment to match the crime committed. Also, Fedbois, while I'm talking about this, that same sentiment goes for the "johns" who purchased services from Epstein and Ghislane Maxwell who you're covering up for. If you had any decency at all, every person on those lists would be in custody and before judges today. Do your freaking job instead of trying to create work on this website.
The argument is that you sound like a deranged lunatic who simply wants revenge instead of justice.
Edit: God bless America and God bless the constitution... except for that part about cruel and unusual punishment, that part only applies when I want it to...
You could rightly claim to be better than them in the sense that you are punishing evil, and they are conducting it, but in practice you are doing the same shit they do to children all the while claiming them to be bad and yourself to be good. It's a joke.
Well, I think that I am better than them. I think that the innocence of children is the most beautiful magic a human can enjoy. I think that one who permanently destroys the life that innocence begets, and the subsequent generations that it destroys, has caused harm to exponential generations of people and steals the pinnacle of beauty from a harmless creature. For this reason, I believe the perpetrator’s punishment should be dealt with the rage of a thousand hurts…hurts that they have caused, and should subsequently also endure. Yep.
I agree with all but your conclusion, or I guess solution, to the problem these people pose.
Your solution will lead us to doom and destruction. To being no better than them.
And why risk keeping them alive any longer than absolutely necessary? All we end up doing is risk their escape to fuel petty revenge and to "feel better" as if it will actually give you that feeling you're looking for. It is objectively just worse and more risky for the rest of the children of the world than killing them quickly and without delay.
Romans 12:17-21
17 Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men. 18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men. 19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord. 20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head. 21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.
I would not describe God's vengeance as the same thing people are talking about here with their revenge fantasy. That is the distinction. God's vengeance is just, the revenge porn being fantasied about here is abhorrent. Grab the millstone and get it over with.
And are you reminding me to hate evil or to hate people who do evil?
Why the f*ck would we listen to an argument protecting child torturers. This is the exact type of person that needs this treatment. Time to get medieval on her and all her customers.
That would be one thing if torture didn't have downstream affects deleterious to decent people. Develop a machine that kills them and somehow operates itself. Or have them kill eachother. But making an affair out of torture is not good for a man wanting a clean conscience. I won't dehumanize myself to impress anyone.
No, the argument is Matthew 18:6; "But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea."
Do that rather than torture them like a depraved, mentally ill lunatic who wants to fulfill their revenge fantasy.
Obviously not everyone here is Christian, but I wonder how many of the 16 people who upvoted this depraved, animalistic nonsense proclaim Christ as their Lord?
No one who thinks that the solution is to do to these people what they do to children is on the side of good, but is rather blinded by the Devil. It is an affront to God.
I'd absolutely agree with lining her up on the wall and summarily executing her. Where I hop off is the revenge porn others go on about, complete with torture and everything else Satan loves.
You sound guilty as hell. Thats a lot of virtue signaling. In defense of what? Punishing a monster? Im wondering now if YOU are not the affront to God. You ramble on an awful lot in defense ….
Jesus Christ quite literally says to give these people a peaceful death by drowning. What more do you want me to say here? God is wrong?
I will give you one more chance to exhibit a modicum of critical thought by clarifying my position: The original post pisses me off to no end, same as it obviously does you. This is the reason I am so irritated in these comments. Reading that shit is not the greatest way to produce a level-headed conversation on punishment.
But to make it worse, we already have this evil shit in the world and then your emotionally unstable ass comes in ready to torture people instead of just get rid of them once and for all. Because it's much better to risk keeping them alive for 1 second more than necessary over simply killing them.
You need it. You need to torture these people for some deranged reason. Otherwise, you'd accept the fact I want them executed and get the fuck off my case. But you don't, because you aren't interested in punishing them. You're fucking depraved and will attack anyone who doesn't agree with you to defend what you know is depraved.
The question that you raise now is … what are YOU afraid of. I understand your argument for pretty much all other crimes. However, using the innocent for sexual and sadistic gratifications decouples the offender from philosophical machinations of righteousness and justice. Your argument is apologistic in defense of pedophiles. Why is that???
Your argument is baseless and born of a delusional misconception of reality.
If you choose when to apply morality on a case-by-case basis, it is not morality. And it is not of God, Who is the basis of morality, and Who is absolute. He will not selectively apply punishment on judgement day.
Basically, your argument is meaningless as the base assumptions being made are unsubstantiated and wrong.
Furthermore, to reference a common twitter meme, if I say "I like pancakes" and you respond with "so you hate waffles?", you have invented an entirely new sentence and are simply arguing a straw man.
So I don't think you understand my argument to even a small degree.
If I say "torture is always wrong", and you hear "pedophiles should be excused of their crimes and treated with leniency", you display a severe lack of critical thought and are seemingly no more intelligent than a liberal. You'd certainly be behaving and responding in the exact same way they do.
Righteous anger at the crimes these vile demon-scum commit against children will never justify your unrighteous and demonic view of what punishment they should receive. Never. Your dark fantasies of torture and revenge will always remain nearly as demonic as the people you claim to hate. Both their desires and actions, as well as yours, are born of Satan.
Frankly, who or what do you even stand for?
Jesus Christ, the Lord our God, and He who morality comes forth from? He who refused to stone the adulterous woman and instead told her: "Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more."?
Maybe God as presented exclusively in the Old Testament? The Old Testament where we are told: "Do not say, “I will repay evil”; wait for the Lord, and he will deliver you.”?
Or how about the constitution, our great founding document? Surely you believe in this? This which you apply selectively as the arbiter of when it "truly" applies according to some contrived notion of whom moral law applies to?
No, it seems to me that whatever you might stand for takes a back seat to a more primal desire for revenge and to a deep-seated darkness that is born of the Devil.
Interrogatories 101: The guilty will ramble on about virtue, and apply several logical attack fallacies to deflect from their guilt. YOU CHECK ALL BLOCKS
You are 100% either a Fedboi, or a Pedophile. My money is on both.
Edit: Seriously though, I'd love to see you retort one thing I said, point out a single logical fallacy (other than the ad hominem I employed by calling you a liberal that clearly hurt your fee fees, since that was in response to your illiterate ass calling me a pedophile (by insinuation)), and/or prove to me that you're not just too fucking lazy to read hence pulling out "rambling".
15 yrs in could be a lifetime in hell. I wonder if the inmates there treat pedos like ours get treated in jail. That 15 yrs might be a death sentence sooner than you think.
I am sure we can find enough of these monsters to make one helico ride worth the cost… and maybe if we charge people tickets to watch the freefalls, it will pay for itself. Would you pay 10 bucks for a seat at a site where 20 violent pedoes will be smashed into puree?
yep, this, I live in Romania, next to them and while I'm not saying all Ukranians are like this, 99% of those with any ties to the state are corrupt and depraved to the bone
This is a very interesting chess move? Are we letting the DS players know the damn is about to break? Who were the Pedos that paid to abuse these children for the last 15 years? Did we not send Victoria Nuland to UK in 2012? Hmmmmmm - seems to me this is a significant piece of the puzzle….. getting HOT 🥵!
Cut a deal. Name ALL of your customers that paid to rape the children. Take the death penalty off the table and give her only 5 years in prison. After she takes the deal, names all the customers, keep your end of the bargain and put her in general population. She wouldn't make it past a month and the customers can all be rounded up and executed. Even convicts have standards and a women's prison would have mothers of young children. I would say the punishment she would receive at their hands would make execution seem absolute mercy.
Look at her hands, she has a finger bent the opposite direction.
Also, where the necklace goes over the clavicle it’s folded in a strange way.
I’m betting this is an AI generated pic, but it was not made to make us look like fools. These things are being created to help ppl wake up to real life atrocities
So Russians are actually saving the kids!
They definitely are, both directly and indirectly. One of the first non-mainstream stories I heard out of Ukraine after the Russians got involved was a Spetsnaz team breaking up a child smuggling ring. The kids they rescued were from all over; Ukraine, Russia, Europe, America...
Years ago my wife and I were looking to adopt and actually looked at Russia and Ukraine. Before we went through the process we ended up adopting a baby from one of our old foster kid's sister (we had our own twins but lost one in pregnancy so we also did foster care for many years).
About 10 years later we saw Russia turn off their international adoption factory - they gave a few reasons about a case of verbal abuse and one idiot American family sending a kid back but the reasons didn't seem strong to me.
Fast forward to stuff like this article happening today and it looks like Putin has been saving the children for far longer than I thought. He stopped the international trafficking in Russian kids. Now he's doing Ukraine.
My cousin has two adopted Russian daughters. She got them both as infants and neither knows any other family. One is still in HS the other just finished her second year at Michigan. Based family, based young woman, no worries about her being indoctrinated at liberal UM.
Remember Don Jr trump tower meeting witchhunt?
What was the topic he said they discussed with the russian lawyer ?
Also what was Russia’s response to Magnitsky Act ?
Its all connected.
Only 15 years? She desserves an helicopter ride and not 15 years of taxpayer money to be fed and kept warm. Also, all her belongings should be sold to benefit the kids.🤬
she was running a foster home in Ukraine for 15 years before she got busted in poland
What about the « customers » do we know who they are so they also pay?🤬
not seen anything about the customers
😳
Make that monster sing all the names!🤬
They all must be hanging out with Ghislaine's customers, don't hear anything about them, either!
Came to say EXACTLY this. That fat fuking crunt needs to die slowly and publicly. We need to reinstitute public torture for child predators. Period. No arguments. No “But muh slippery slope … But muh civilized society ..” bullshit. Slow, horrible, agonizing death.
Yeah, I'm not sure - but one thing I do know is that Svetlana Plyushko would absolutely agree with SpaceManBob and Overqualified
100%. SpaceManBob has spent an enormous amount of time on this thread arguing AGAINST proper justice.
Im thinking SMBob is worried. Why come here and virtue signal and attack anons? Just disagree and move on. Nope. Classic guilt response.
Re: "civilized."
The only thing that keeps us civilized is constant reminders that you can't behave like an animal. Society is obligated to make a very public and prominent display of this woman to ensure that everyone knows you don't ever harm the next generation. A strong society would send a message.
No, Fedbois, I'm not going to define what kind of message, so don't think you're going to tag me an an "extremist." But 15 years of jail time for 15 years of pimping out kids to be abused by pedophiles is not sufficient punishment to match the crime committed. Also, Fedbois, while I'm talking about this, that same sentiment goes for the "johns" who purchased services from Epstein and Ghislane Maxwell who you're covering up for. If you had any decency at all, every person on those lists would be in custody and before judges today. Do your freaking job instead of trying to create work on this website.
Awesome
The argument is that you sound like a deranged lunatic who simply wants revenge instead of justice.
Edit: God bless America and God bless the constitution... except for that part about cruel and unusual punishment, that part only applies when I want it to...
I want revenge on them…vicious, agonizing revenge. Yes?
Yes, you are no better than them in practice.
You could rightly claim to be better than them in the sense that you are punishing evil, and they are conducting it, but in practice you are doing the same shit they do to children all the while claiming them to be bad and yourself to be good. It's a joke.
Well, I think that I am better than them. I think that the innocence of children is the most beautiful magic a human can enjoy. I think that one who permanently destroys the life that innocence begets, and the subsequent generations that it destroys, has caused harm to exponential generations of people and steals the pinnacle of beauty from a harmless creature. For this reason, I believe the perpetrator’s punishment should be dealt with the rage of a thousand hurts…hurts that they have caused, and should subsequently also endure. Yep.
I agree with all but your conclusion, or I guess solution, to the problem these people pose.
Your solution will lead us to doom and destruction. To being no better than them.
And why risk keeping them alive any longer than absolutely necessary? All we end up doing is risk their escape to fuel petty revenge and to "feel better" as if it will actually give you that feeling you're looking for. It is objectively just worse and more risky for the rest of the children of the world than killing them quickly and without delay.
It is fine to want revenge on those who would commit atrocities against children.
It is righteous even.
Revenge is not justice, and it never will be. They are distinct.
Justice is righteous.
What about instances within the Bible of righteous revenge?
There is no distinction. It isn't black and white like that, and absolutely never was.
Reminder that you are commanded to hate evil.
Vengeance is God's. The Bible is clear.
Romans 12:17-21 17 Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men. 18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men. 19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord. 20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head. 21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.
I would not describe God's vengeance as the same thing people are talking about here with their revenge fantasy. That is the distinction. God's vengeance is just, the revenge porn being fantasied about here is abhorrent. Grab the millstone and get it over with.
And are you reminding me to hate evil or to hate people who do evil?
Why the f*ck would we listen to an argument protecting child torturers. This is the exact type of person that needs this treatment. Time to get medieval on her and all her customers.
That would be one thing if torture didn't have downstream affects deleterious to decent people. Develop a machine that kills them and somehow operates itself. Or have them kill eachother. But making an affair out of torture is not good for a man wanting a clean conscience. I won't dehumanize myself to impress anyone.
No, the argument is Matthew 18:6; "But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea."
Do that rather than torture them like a depraved, mentally ill lunatic who wants to fulfill their revenge fantasy.
Obviously not everyone here is Christian, but I wonder how many of the 16 people who upvoted this depraved, animalistic nonsense proclaim Christ as their Lord?
No one who thinks that the solution is to do to these people what they do to children is on the side of good, but is rather blinded by the Devil. It is an affront to God.
fren i just want you to know where i stand. fk her--------wall
I'd absolutely agree with lining her up on the wall and summarily executing her. Where I hop off is the revenge porn others go on about, complete with torture and everything else Satan loves.
You sound guilty as hell. Thats a lot of virtue signaling. In defense of what? Punishing a monster? Im wondering now if YOU are not the affront to God. You ramble on an awful lot in defense ….
Jesus Christ quite literally says to give these people a peaceful death by drowning. What more do you want me to say here? God is wrong?
I will give you one more chance to exhibit a modicum of critical thought by clarifying my position: The original post pisses me off to no end, same as it obviously does you. This is the reason I am so irritated in these comments. Reading that shit is not the greatest way to produce a level-headed conversation on punishment.
But to make it worse, we already have this evil shit in the world and then your emotionally unstable ass comes in ready to torture people instead of just get rid of them once and for all. Because it's much better to risk keeping them alive for 1 second more than necessary over simply killing them.
You need it. You need to torture these people for some deranged reason. Otherwise, you'd accept the fact I want them executed and get the fuck off my case. But you don't, because you aren't interested in punishing them. You're fucking depraved and will attack anyone who doesn't agree with you to defend what you know is depraved.
The question that you raise now is … what are YOU afraid of. I understand your argument for pretty much all other crimes. However, using the innocent for sexual and sadistic gratifications decouples the offender from philosophical machinations of righteousness and justice. Your argument is apologistic in defense of pedophiles. Why is that???
I fear God.
Your argument is baseless and born of a delusional misconception of reality.
If you choose when to apply morality on a case-by-case basis, it is not morality. And it is not of God, Who is the basis of morality, and Who is absolute. He will not selectively apply punishment on judgement day.
Basically, your argument is meaningless as the base assumptions being made are unsubstantiated and wrong.
Furthermore, to reference a common twitter meme, if I say "I like pancakes" and you respond with "so you hate waffles?", you have invented an entirely new sentence and are simply arguing a straw man.
So I don't think you understand my argument to even a small degree.
If I say "torture is always wrong", and you hear "pedophiles should be excused of their crimes and treated with leniency", you display a severe lack of critical thought and are seemingly no more intelligent than a liberal. You'd certainly be behaving and responding in the exact same way they do.
Righteous anger at the crimes these vile demon-scum commit against children will never justify your unrighteous and demonic view of what punishment they should receive. Never. Your dark fantasies of torture and revenge will always remain nearly as demonic as the people you claim to hate. Both their desires and actions, as well as yours, are born of Satan.
Frankly, who or what do you even stand for?
Jesus Christ, the Lord our God, and He who morality comes forth from? He who refused to stone the adulterous woman and instead told her: "Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more."?
Maybe God as presented exclusively in the Old Testament? The Old Testament where we are told: "Do not say, “I will repay evil”; wait for the Lord, and he will deliver you.”?
Or how about the constitution, our great founding document? Surely you believe in this? This which you apply selectively as the arbiter of when it "truly" applies according to some contrived notion of whom moral law applies to?
No, it seems to me that whatever you might stand for takes a back seat to a more primal desire for revenge and to a deep-seated darkness that is born of the Devil.
Now, any more questions?
Interrogatories 101: The guilty will ramble on about virtue, and apply several logical attack fallacies to deflect from their guilt. YOU CHECK ALL BLOCKS
You are 100% either a Fedboi, or a Pedophile. My money is on both.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
Edit: Seriously though, I'd love to see you retort one thing I said, point out a single logical fallacy (other than the ad hominem I employed by calling you a liberal that clearly hurt your fee fees, since that was in response to your illiterate ass calling me a pedophile (by insinuation)), and/or prove to me that you're not just too fucking lazy to read hence pulling out "rambling".
Good fucking luck KEK
💑 That u
But she also faces only up to 15 years in jail.
15 yrs in could be a lifetime in hell. I wonder if the inmates there treat pedos like ours get treated in jail. That 15 yrs might be a death sentence sooner than you think.
I am afraid this fat violent golem is the one to be feared in a women jail.😳
She won’t stay fat for long on prison rations.
I'm not paying for helo ride when there are cheaper solutions.
I am sure we can find enough of these monsters to make one helico ride worth the cost… and maybe if we charge people tickets to watch the freefalls, it will pay for itself. Would you pay 10 bucks for a seat at a site where 20 violent pedoes will be smashed into puree?
Just stay out of the splash zone
You might catch something.
PPV would easily cover the expense.
Summary execution like that famous Vietnam pic.
And they had to take a picture of her with pizza 🍕🍕🍕
I think it was comms, in her case.
yep yep
That actual Ukrainian pizza looks gross.
Dr Pizza would be proud.
This bitch is like one of thousands in Ukraine doing to same exact thing and Zelenski and Biden know all about it.
https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/politics/natl-biden-gushes-over-ukraines- beautiful-women/1837034/
Wondering why American Pols continue to go to Ukraine? Sexual tourism and the associated blackmail.
yep, this, I live in Romania, next to them and while I'm not saying all Ukranians are like this, 99% of those with any ties to the state are corrupt and depraved to the bone
thx for the heads up from Romania,
Sick bitch
she gets the wall -no blindfold
I would like to see it. Jail is too good for her.
thats right. she was doing it for 15 years before
Noticing the Pizza in the pic ! Nice work Liz!
This is a very interesting chess move? Are we letting the DS players know the damn is about to break? Who were the Pedos that paid to abuse these children for the last 15 years? Did we not send Victoria Nuland to UK in 2012? Hmmmmmm - seems to me this is a significant piece of the puzzle….. getting HOT 🥵!
We need to crank up the Nuland deployments to Ukraine. I'd like her there as much as possible. It will sort itself out eventually.
I guess its been unplugged. This wont be the only one, you will see horrors beyond your imagination - just on the Nazi side of the Ukraine war.
15 years?!!!!! That’s it???????
My first though too ...
Fuck Europe and that soft on crime sentence. 15 years for TORTURE AND RAPE OF CHDREN. 15 FUCKING YEARS.
This woman is pure evil. She deserves to die for what she did to those poor kids
So slightly better treatment than kids taken by CPS.
She needs to die for this.
Only getting 15 years for this awful crime against children is wrong.
This is the tip of the iceberg. This evil thing has to be part of a larger network. Millstone and let God take care of the ultimate judgement.
https://truthsocial.com/@lizcrokin/posts/110473207969098923
Hang.
Now.
Keep in mind these fucks only get caught for some of their crimes.
Waterboarding several times a day and dirty nappies as her only food until dead. Fatties last longer
Wood chipper goes bbbrrrrrrrrrrr
Drop from chopper, into a chipper - give the masses whay they want.
Slow feed speed. Feet first.
You spelled ROPE wrong,
Nice but I meant wall as a firing squad execution the piece of shit.standing Infront of the wall.no blindfold.
Do they intentionally spell pedo that way to evade search results?
No, I think that's just how they spell it across the pond there.
Pizza is a wonderful food and these people are fucking ruining it
Damn Ghislaine Maxwell put on a lot of weight.
that or her fat fkn sister
15 years?
Well well well, look at that pendulum begin to swing back. What will all of the I sTaNd WiTh UkRaInE folks do about all of this?
Exactly dty6. They will ignore it. Furious and sad
Cut a deal. Name ALL of your customers that paid to rape the children. Take the death penalty off the table and give her only 5 years in prison. After she takes the deal, names all the customers, keep your end of the bargain and put her in general population. She wouldn't make it past a month and the customers can all be rounded up and executed. Even convicts have standards and a women's prison would have mothers of young children. I would say the punishment she would receive at their hands would make execution seem absolute mercy.
Fifteen years behind bars, even if she survives it...just doesn't really cover what justice is coming to her.
Pizza just a coincidence no doubt. This twat needs Killing
Look deep into those eyes and you will find the devil
The face of evil
I'm pretty sure unaccompanied minors, money laundering and a new isis/nazis to fight later is why the war is being funded by the United States.
Look at her hands, she has a finger bent the opposite direction.
Also, where the necklace goes over the clavicle it’s folded in a strange way.
I’m betting this is an AI generated pic, but it was not made to make us look like fools. These things are being created to help ppl wake up to real life atrocities
wrong. thats fer finger nail. necklace is fine. they do that sometimes
The finger is bent the opposite direction
Try putting your left hand in the position hers is in, good luck!
Also, get a closer look at the cup on the saucer and you’ll see it’s oblong and tilted weirdly. The pencils look off, too.
The cup thing could be due to angling, but all these things together point to an AI generated pic.
Wall is too good for this POS human. Let the victims decide the punishment.