As a person recognized as having “Indian status,” this was always the case. Having a bunch of libtards decide a name was racist was no different than deciding an iconic statue was racist. Without foresight, lacking substance. None of these decision makers ever stepped foot in a reserve. I have. I can tell you first hand that all the kids living there cherished these teams. You walk around and they are sports fans just like anyone else and the kids all have hats on. Guess which ones? Chicago Blackhawks, Washington redskins, Cleveland Indians, KC chiefs…… etc. The point is that they were super proud to have that bit of historical representation. It was a factor that made them a fan of the teams, not a victim of racism.
Exactly! I never heard a single NDN say they didn't like the term "Redskins". When they changed it I was pissed and so were my cousins. No one on the Qualla Boundary ever had a problem with the name "Redskins". Same with the other team names like the Atlanta Braves, Cleveland Indians or Florida State Seminoles. Liberal white people looking for some victims were the only ones complaining. Liberals talk about cultural appropriation yet they think they can decide what other cultures think.
The vast majority of fellow Indians I have spoken to about this liked the Redskins team name and did not want it to change.
Of course, there were the few brainwashed, useful idiots that Pravda always seems to find when they want to do a story about the Redskins.
On and around the Rez, Indians use the term 'skins' all the time to denote a person with Indian blood.
I have been called a 'skin' or asked if I was a 'skin' many times by fellow Indians.
As usual, it is always the hard Left white liberal that decides these things and thinks they know what is best for others, especially when it comes to minorities.
Or an Irishman being offended by the Fighting Irish because ya know all Irishmen love to fight. Maybe Notre Dame shgould change their name to the Fighting Trannies.
Trivia point here - The Scottish invented Whisky, and spell it without the -ey like the Irish do. Well maybe they both came up with the same distilled beverage at the same time, but the spelling is how you differentiate the two.
Redskins logo: distinctive, dignified, and a badass profile. Strikes me as a man you wouldn't want to mess with. Old enough to have the ears of his tribe when he talks.
Libs are raving lunatics. They can’t stand other groups having notoriety or a claim to fame so they cry social injustice and racism as a means to squash what might make a group stand out as unique or different all while virtue signaling that they are for the “little guy” who can’t think, reason, and advocate for themselves.
Might be crossing the streams in the logo wars, but you can tell him about the petition to replace her with Mrs. Butterworth. If it exists, it's probably to represent historically underrepresented black dairy farmers.
Yeah, native here, I’m pissed about the Land O Lakes box, there was nothing wrong with that. Also, there is a high school in the state that had the actual chief’s blessing to use the tribe’s name as their mascot, but social justice started crying about it. I think they ended up keeping the name but had to modify all the logos.
Holy shit Im joining the cause. Pisses me off the darker your skin gets the more you get to trample on those lighter than you. I want the "Redskins"back, Indians, Cheifs. Hell, if you want to get rid of the "racism" get rid of the Patriots, they symbolize white oppression. /s
Also,how TF you gonna get rid of the Redskin name, and keep the Redskin color. Like that was any different. Idiots. Should have never been allowed to take it this far.
Here in Michigan's Upper Peninsula, the city of Marquette schoolboard recently voted to get rid of their nickname - the Redmen and Redettes. Of course the racist liberals were all clapping and cheering after successfully getting rid of more native American representation. None of the native American tribes were ever offended by the name, but the professionally offended left were offended for them.
To the white libs, Indians were not offended by the name only because they're too stupid and primitive to be. Thank GHOD we have liberals to right all the Nations' wrongs for us!!
Wonder how long before a professional team is named after one of the bullshit genders? The Washington They Thems. The Cleveland Trannies, The New York Non Binaries. At this rate it's coming soon.
Yea, they got a whole bunch of land taken away from them by the white man, and now a team name taken away by a bunch of white man hating extremists. I feel sorry for the native American Indians. They've gotten screwed at every turn, except for their casinos. (But I wonder if the mob has infiltrated that?)
The people we found here were the scattered and broken dregs of the cultures that existed thousands of years ago. They were on a clear path to extinction that was already inevitable over 2000 years ago due to brutal wars that wiped out all traces of the civilizations they had built. When they did get access to higher level technology their first impulse was to use it to murder each other with greater efficiency. They were already well on their way to disappearing long before we got here.
they got a whole bunch of land taken away from them by the white man
That version of history ignores a couple of key facts:
(a) Indians didn't spring up out of the soil here; they walked across the ancient Bering Land Bridge from Siberia where they weren't happy and emigrated to America like everyone else not from here; and
(b) White men didn't steal anything; they fought the Indians for this land (with each side employing the men and weapons at their disposal) and won fair and square; too many to count gave their scalps and lives for it.
Most of the tribes are still on the ancestral land their tribes claimed. The instances where they are not are mostly due to old tribal conflicts, either internally or with rival tribes/bands. Displacement is not the rule, it has always been the exception. The majority basically just got neighbors. That's it. Not conquerors, not overlords. Just new neighbors. They have 2 citizenships now. First to their Tribe which is a micro nation exempted from the bullshit laws of their secondary citizenship to the US. They have every benefit of being American citizens and none of the responsibilities taxes or duties.
The only thing the white man is brutal about is war. In peace the white man is absurdly generous and trusting.
Most first nations people I have met that soberly work for a living and invest in and build their micro nation are typically very conservative and do not see themselves as victims at all. Their ancestors made treaty with a technologicaly and numerically overwhelming force and were assimilated intact and sovereign.
That's a better outcome than most of our tribes got from Rome.
*Edit, a huge exception to the displacement rule are the first nations that went to Canada. The railroad barons had senators in their pockets and it's very unlikely they would have offered a fair or reasonable treaty to the tribes that were in the way of the railroad cartel.
The whole topic is touchy, which is why the grievance and victimization hustlers are all over it, because there are/were definitely tribes that got conned, annihilated or scattered -- but the overwhelming majority of first nations you'll meet today are NOT those tribes.
And the buffalo kill-off was 100% bad, but the blame there is with a few bad organizations, not the entire nation. The national interest was always to do the right thing. It's inverted that the government and corporations now place themselves as the protectors of law virtue and honor and the people get the shame of every corporate government atrocity committed on racial grievance grounds.
Even if they walked across the Bering Sea, which I do believe they did, they were here thousands of years before the White man. They they were the "original owners" of this land. They build cities and communities and brought about religious celebrations for their gods. Would that not make them the owners of the land, first? The White man comes in and says, "heck, we want to take the land next to that wonderful stream and push the Indians out of the area so we don't have to share". I'm very sure I'm not correct on how it all played out, but the Indians were here first and set up some rudimentary civilization and when the White guys wanted it, they took it. Yea, a few beads and trinkets exchanged hands from time to time for ownership of some land, but the Whites wanted to expand and the Indians were in the way. Thus they got screwed because they were taking up space the White man wanted. In my government sponsored education I don't remember reading about the White man wanting to peacefully co-exist with the Indian, only take what they wanted and thus the Indians began raiding the lonely settlements to try and push out the Whites. I'm not saying the Indians had a hard and fast certificate of ownership of all lands between oceans which was conveyed unto them by some higher being, but I think their form of lifestyle didn't mix well with the European centric leanings of white immigrants. CQVFEFE, I like comiserating with interesting people and you always write down good ideas. I'm not trying to bust your chops or toss shade on any race of people. I'm just thinking about how it would feel from an Indian perspective to have your entire life uprooted because a great white wave of humanity was decending onto your world and you have no way to stop it...bows and arrows against guns.
I'm just thinking about how it would feel from an Indian perspective to have your entire life uprooted because a great white wave of humanity was decending onto your world and you have no way to stop it...bows and arrows against guns.
Fair enough anon. I'm guessing it would feel like being up against a superior challenger with superior firepower and superior motivation to win. An enemy who was absolutely not going to slink back across the pond to kiss the ring of King George or get executed, just because when they hit the shores here, the land was inhabited by warring primitive tribes stuck in prehistoric times, wielding a spear, arrows, or a triangular rock tied to a stick.
It's the way of the world. God himself must have designed it this way. Humans are an intensely combattive, tribal, and fiercely territorial species, exactly like most other primates. As a species we love to fight—if we don't do it physically, we do it verbally or online, even paying millions to others to battle in front of us in a ring. To the victor go the spoils.
The Indians weren't peaceful innocents that government education would lead you to believe. They were ruthless. Read the book by Herman Lehmann called "Nine Years Among the Indians 1870-1879". You will not feel sorry for the Indians. Besides, how do you know these "original owners" didn't murder the people before them and steal "their" land, we just don't know about it? It wasn't about "the white guys wanted it, they took it". Read about how ruthless and insensitive the Indians were. They were savages. Most of the white families just wanted to live, and the Indians attacked and killed them, usually taking the women and children if they lived and abusing them horrifically. They aren't as innocent and helpless as the government education will lead you to believe.
Thanks for the book title. I'll look into it. Sorry to say, but for all my life I've been programmed to believe the Indians were pleasant, peaceful and helpful to the Whites. i.e. helping the Pilgrims survive their first winter in Plymoth Rock. And the Indians who lived West of the Mississippi were always in the "right" and they had been taken advantage of by the White man. Your book suggestion might open my eyes to how they truly were. I love researching things and this will be on my list.
Reminds me of when the left went after Florida State for being the Seminoles and the Seminole tribe had to get involved. They wanted to continue to represent the university and their culture.
🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️. Are we being punked? Is Ashton Kutcher gonna jump out and tell us its all bs? Changing the name was dumb as hell to start with. This shit is getting sooo crazy….
K.C. is funny. NFL Chiefs and MLB Royals; NHL hockey team was the Scouts, whose logo featured an Indian on horseback.
No time for a team named for the ones who settled this land and gave the world what is still (for now at least) by far the freest country in the history of the world.
Only for those who tried to kill them for doing it. Qeq!
I love how the group's name is "NAGA." That's awesome. I definitely stand with these folks.
It really is simply an erasure of history and culture in general, pure and simple. They changed the names for the same reason they tear down statues. To make the next generation forget where they came from, under the guise of any victimhood they can conjure.
My great granny was Choctaw. I have witnessed the installation of a Chief. White as a sheet, but love accurate casting of First Nations in movies (Dances with Wolves/Legends of the Falls). Bring back the notepads to.
Doesn't get talked about enough...but a lot of these name changes have little to do with being "inclusive", tolerant, woke, etc and more to do with not wanting to pay the tribes licensing fees for using their name.
As a person recognized as having “Indian status,” this was always the case. Having a bunch of libtards decide a name was racist was no different than deciding an iconic statue was racist. Without foresight, lacking substance. None of these decision makers ever stepped foot in a reserve. I have. I can tell you first hand that all the kids living there cherished these teams. You walk around and they are sports fans just like anyone else and the kids all have hats on. Guess which ones? Chicago Blackhawks, Washington redskins, Cleveland Indians, KC chiefs…… etc. The point is that they were super proud to have that bit of historical representation. It was a factor that made them a fan of the teams, not a victim of racism.
Exactly! I never heard a single NDN say they didn't like the term "Redskins". When they changed it I was pissed and so were my cousins. No one on the Qualla Boundary ever had a problem with the name "Redskins". Same with the other team names like the Atlanta Braves, Cleveland Indians or Florida State Seminoles. Liberal white people looking for some victims were the only ones complaining. Liberals talk about cultural appropriation yet they think they can decide what other cultures think.
My departed wife's grand father was Cherokee. He apparently was a big Washington Redskins fan.
The vast majority of fellow Indians I have spoken to about this liked the Redskins team name and did not want it to change.
Of course, there were the few brainwashed, useful idiots that Pravda always seems to find when they want to do a story about the Redskins.
On and around the Rez, Indians use the term 'skins' all the time to denote a person with Indian blood.
I have been called a 'skin' or asked if I was a 'skin' many times by fellow Indians.
As usual, it is always the hard Left white liberal that decides these things and thinks they know what is best for others, especially when it comes to minorities.
I guess it would be like a white person getting pissed off about the Minnesota Vikings.
I'm surprised they don't attack Vikings for reminding White people what sort of badasses we used to be lol.
Or an Irishman being offended by the Fighting Irish because ya know all Irishmen love to fight. Maybe Notre Dame shgould change their name to the Fighting Trannies.
Or the Celtics which is pronounced wrong.
God created whiskey to keep the Irish from taking over the world
u/#bahaha
Thats my old Dads favorite.
Trivia point here - The Scottish invented Whisky, and spell it without the -ey like the Irish do. Well maybe they both came up with the same distilled beverage at the same time, but the spelling is how you differentiate the two.
Edit - am Scottish heritage and love good Scotch.
Has nothing to do w my joke
Well aren’t you the narcissist. It wasn’t meant to be about “your” joke. It was TRIVIA. Jeesh.
As is Caesar, but we digress. Classical Latin "C" is always a hard "C" like in cat never a soft "C" like in cell.
Yep, and there was no "v" sound as we know it in modern English. It was indistinguishable from "u."
So "veni vidi vici" would have been pronounced "wenny, widdy, weekee."
Redskins logo: distinctive, dignified, and a badass profile. Strikes me as a man you wouldn't want to mess with. Old enough to have the ears of his tribe when he talks.
Libs are raving lunatics. They can’t stand other groups having notoriety or a claim to fame so they cry social injustice and racism as a means to squash what might make a group stand out as unique or different all while virtue signaling that they are for the “little guy” who can’t think, reason, and advocate for themselves.
Good to hear. Out of idle curiosity, how about the Land O' Lakes lady?
My Native friend at work loves to make the joke that they "got rid of the Indian and kept the land and the lakes".
That's a good one. Your friend is on target.
Might be crossing the streams in the logo wars, but you can tell him about the petition to replace her with Mrs. Butterworth. If it exists, it's probably to represent historically underrepresented black dairy farmers.
Yeah, native here, I’m pissed about the Land O Lakes box, there was nothing wrong with that. Also, there is a high school in the state that had the actual chief’s blessing to use the tribe’s name as their mascot, but social justice started crying about it. I think they ended up keeping the name but had to modify all the logos.
Kinda like Savage Arms changing to a stylized S.
That's my favorite butter. I won't buy anything else.
Never before heard a first hand account of it. Thanks. Hopefully they change it back to Redskins.
Holy shit Im joining the cause. Pisses me off the darker your skin gets the more you get to trample on those lighter than you. I want the "Redskins"back, Indians, Cheifs. Hell, if you want to get rid of the "racism" get rid of the Patriots, they symbolize white oppression. /s
Also,how TF you gonna get rid of the Redskin name, and keep the Redskin color. Like that was any different. Idiots. Should have never been allowed to take it this far.
Don't give them any ideas...
One day they'll come onto the field wearing rainbow jerseys and helmets. Wouldn't that be the final nail in the NFL's coffin!
Yeah for like a week or two, then they'll forget about it just like they always do. Sportsball fans aren't very good at boycotts...
They will all be playing sarcastaball!!!! They can all drink Butters 'creamy goodness'.
https://southpark.fandom.com/wiki/Sarcastaball
Chief wahoo
Here in Michigan's Upper Peninsula, the city of Marquette schoolboard recently voted to get rid of their nickname - the Redmen and Redettes. Of course the racist liberals were all clapping and cheering after successfully getting rid of more native American representation. None of the native American tribes were ever offended by the name, but the professionally offended left were offended for them.
To the white libs, Indians were not offended by the name only because they're too stupid and primitive to be. Thank GHOD we have liberals to right all the Nations' wrongs for us!!
Narratives are falling apart lmao
Hopefully they all do.
Wonder how long before a professional team is named after one of the bullshit genders? The Washington They Thems. The Cleveland Trannies, The New York Non Binaries. At this rate it's coming soon.
Tennessee Trannys workd. and so does the Oakland OMG I Am Offendeds.
Hail to the Redskins! Not even a fan.
Silly natives, white liberals know what's best for them.
Hey now.. Pocahontas wrote "Pow wow chow"
Yea, they got a whole bunch of land taken away from them by the white man, and now a team name taken away by a bunch of white man hating extremists. I feel sorry for the native American Indians. They've gotten screwed at every turn, except for their casinos. (But I wonder if the mob has infiltrated that?)
The people we found here were the scattered and broken dregs of the cultures that existed thousands of years ago. They were on a clear path to extinction that was already inevitable over 2000 years ago due to brutal wars that wiped out all traces of the civilizations they had built. When they did get access to higher level technology their first impulse was to use it to murder each other with greater efficiency. They were already well on their way to disappearing long before we got here.
That version of history ignores a couple of key facts:
(a) Indians didn't spring up out of the soil here; they walked across the ancient Bering Land Bridge from Siberia where they weren't happy and emigrated to America like everyone else not from here; and
(b) White men didn't steal anything; they fought the Indians for this land (with each side employing the men and weapons at their disposal) and won fair and square; too many to count gave their scalps and lives for it.
Most of the tribes are still on the ancestral land their tribes claimed. The instances where they are not are mostly due to old tribal conflicts, either internally or with rival tribes/bands. Displacement is not the rule, it has always been the exception. The majority basically just got neighbors. That's it. Not conquerors, not overlords. Just new neighbors. They have 2 citizenships now. First to their Tribe which is a micro nation exempted from the bullshit laws of their secondary citizenship to the US. They have every benefit of being American citizens and none of the responsibilities taxes or duties.
The only thing the white man is brutal about is war. In peace the white man is absurdly generous and trusting.
Most first nations people I have met that soberly work for a living and invest in and build their micro nation are typically very conservative and do not see themselves as victims at all. Their ancestors made treaty with a technologicaly and numerically overwhelming force and were assimilated intact and sovereign.
That's a better outcome than most of our tribes got from Rome.
*Edit, a huge exception to the displacement rule are the first nations that went to Canada. The railroad barons had senators in their pockets and it's very unlikely they would have offered a fair or reasonable treaty to the tribes that were in the way of the railroad cartel.
The whole topic is touchy, which is why the grievance and victimization hustlers are all over it, because there are/were definitely tribes that got conned, annihilated or scattered -- but the overwhelming majority of first nations you'll meet today are NOT those tribes.
And the buffalo kill-off was 100% bad, but the blame there is with a few bad organizations, not the entire nation. The national interest was always to do the right thing. It's inverted that the government and corporations now place themselves as the protectors of law virtue and honor and the people get the shame of every corporate government atrocity committed on racial grievance grounds.
Even if they walked across the Bering Sea, which I do believe they did, they were here thousands of years before the White man. They they were the "original owners" of this land. They build cities and communities and brought about religious celebrations for their gods. Would that not make them the owners of the land, first? The White man comes in and says, "heck, we want to take the land next to that wonderful stream and push the Indians out of the area so we don't have to share". I'm very sure I'm not correct on how it all played out, but the Indians were here first and set up some rudimentary civilization and when the White guys wanted it, they took it. Yea, a few beads and trinkets exchanged hands from time to time for ownership of some land, but the Whites wanted to expand and the Indians were in the way. Thus they got screwed because they were taking up space the White man wanted. In my government sponsored education I don't remember reading about the White man wanting to peacefully co-exist with the Indian, only take what they wanted and thus the Indians began raiding the lonely settlements to try and push out the Whites. I'm not saying the Indians had a hard and fast certificate of ownership of all lands between oceans which was conveyed unto them by some higher being, but I think their form of lifestyle didn't mix well with the European centric leanings of white immigrants. CQVFEFE, I like comiserating with interesting people and you always write down good ideas. I'm not trying to bust your chops or toss shade on any race of people. I'm just thinking about how it would feel from an Indian perspective to have your entire life uprooted because a great white wave of humanity was decending onto your world and you have no way to stop it...bows and arrows against guns.
Fair enough anon. I'm guessing it would feel like being up against a superior challenger with superior firepower and superior motivation to win. An enemy who was absolutely not going to slink back across the pond to kiss the ring of King George or get executed, just because when they hit the shores here, the land was inhabited by warring primitive tribes stuck in prehistoric times, wielding a spear, arrows, or a triangular rock tied to a stick.
It's the way of the world. God himself must have designed it this way. Humans are an intensely combattive, tribal, and fiercely territorial species, exactly like most other primates. As a species we love to fight—if we don't do it physically, we do it verbally or online, even paying millions to others to battle in front of us in a ring. To the victor go the spoils.
The Indians weren't peaceful innocents that government education would lead you to believe. They were ruthless. Read the book by Herman Lehmann called "Nine Years Among the Indians 1870-1879". You will not feel sorry for the Indians. Besides, how do you know these "original owners" didn't murder the people before them and steal "their" land, we just don't know about it? It wasn't about "the white guys wanted it, they took it". Read about how ruthless and insensitive the Indians were. They were savages. Most of the white families just wanted to live, and the Indians attacked and killed them, usually taking the women and children if they lived and abusing them horrifically. They aren't as innocent and helpless as the government education will lead you to believe.
Thanks for the book title. I'll look into it. Sorry to say, but for all my life I've been programmed to believe the Indians were pleasant, peaceful and helpful to the Whites. i.e. helping the Pilgrims survive their first winter in Plymoth Rock. And the Indians who lived West of the Mississippi were always in the "right" and they had been taken advantage of by the White man. Your book suggestion might open my eyes to how they truly were. I love researching things and this will be on my list.
Reminds me of when the left went after Florida State for being the Seminoles and the Seminole tribe had to get involved. They wanted to continue to represent the university and their culture.
Anyone every see the old black-and-white TV series "F-Troop"?? They native Americans should insist the team changes its name to "Pale Faces."
I loved Crazy Cat
'F Troop's was the best! Hilarious!
Wish we could get back the Indians and Chief Wahoo too
🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️. Are we being punked? Is Ashton Kutcher gonna jump out and tell us its all bs? Changing the name was dumb as hell to start with. This shit is getting sooo crazy….
maybe it's the redskin peanut farmers pushing this??
Let’s see them change Kansas City Chiefs to something else. Then all this would get some attention.
K.C. is funny. NFL Chiefs and MLB Royals; NHL hockey team was the Scouts, whose logo featured an Indian on horseback.
No time for a team named for the ones who settled this land and gave the world what is still (for now at least) by far the freest country in the history of the world.
Only for those who tried to kill them for doing it. Qeq!
kek the qeq.
Sue the guardians too
Cleveland Indians next for fucks sake
I love how the group's name is "NAGA." That's awesome. I definitely stand with these folks.
It really is simply an erasure of history and culture in general, pure and simple. They changed the names for the same reason they tear down statues. To make the next generation forget where they came from, under the guise of any victimhood they can conjure.
Filthy racist bastards don't like our native American people.
My great granny was Choctaw. I have witnessed the installation of a Chief. White as a sheet, but love accurate casting of First Nations in movies (Dances with Wolves/Legends of the Falls). Bring back the notepads to.
F the nfl. Fucking sheep.
Boycott the Indians next. I refuse to call them their woke name.
One of my favorite commercials was the one with Tom Landry where at the end he says "even if you're surrounded by a bunch of Redskins." 😀
kek
Doesn't get talked about enough...but a lot of these name changes have little to do with being "inclusive", tolerant, woke, etc and more to do with not wanting to pay the tribes licensing fees for using their name.
Hahahaha! This is truly epic!
That is BEAUTIFUL. Redskins have to respond or RACIST. LMAO