Why is Trump such a polarizing figure?
🐸 WAG THE FROG 🐸
Think about it. No one is neutral on Trump. People like us are passionate Trump supporters. Many are virulent opponents. But I know of no one who is of the mind "Trump? He's OK, I guess. " What's your experience been?
The liberal sheep are told to hate so they do as ordered. They have no idea why.
Yeah I have a relative like that who falls apart and backpedals any time he's asked to actually explain his stance as it's never deeper than some third-hand information he heard. I find that such people really get flustered if instead of asking "why do you think that" ask "so who told you to think that?"
Same experience... they refuse to watch, listen to, read, or look at any material or evidence contrary to what they are conditioned to think about him. They get agitated and aggressive when you attempt to pierce the veil for them.
You also have those who don't want anyone to get in the way of their "happy", perfect little life- those who don't do anything politically, and won't get involved in any way (voting, etc), as politics are "too ugly" and "I just want to be happy and live my life". Those people are the most insidious of all, and I just happen to live with one...
This kind of person may not be interested in politics, but politics are VERY INTERESTED in them.
This. Thanks fren.
That's what I remind them of every time they bitch about the current state of things.
If one wants to know what they think just skim the cnn and msnbc headlines in the morning. That’s what their new update is. Nothing deeper than that went in. My experience is they find the whole news/politics/philosophy topics boring and get agitated that they’re wasting time on topics like that instead of their favorite hobby.
And then they get shocked whenever they're in a social situation surrounded by people contradicting what they read.
Maybe it’s the shock of having to form they’re own thoughts
It’s the NPC meme.
Hurts their feelings.
Yeah,,,, it’s so f@&$ing frustrating.
I call people like that NPCs. No inner dialogue that forces them to question their actions or the environment in which they live.
Hive mind 🐝
In 2016 I personally was not a fan of Trump. I thought he presented himself as a braggart. I was well aware that Hillary was a pathological liar however, and evil as fuck. So I voted for Trump in 2016 primarily because he wasn't Hillary. If Bernie Sanders hadn't gotten screwed in the Primary, I might have voted for him (I was on the fence at the time).
During his presidency I never liked the way Trump presented himself and I couldn't stand to hear him speak, but I also recognized that the media was lying about him. They would blatantly lie about his words, and I didn't understand why. I thought, "Just because you think he's a blowhard doesn't mean his words should be misrepresented." They lied about his policies, pulling random shit out of their ass just to be "oppositional" and I thought "Just because you don't think it's going to work out for the best, doesn't mean you need to fear monger."
I voted for him in 2020 because I thought his policy decisions weren't bad, but mostly I voted for him because he wasn't senile and/or a part of Obama's crew. I never, for one second, thought Trump would lose, but I still voted for him (even though I usually don't vote). No one I knew thought he would lose, and I live in Blue Pill central. When he lost I thought it was no big deal. Four more years of a shit President. I lived through it with Clinton, Bush, and Obama. Each President was as fubar as every other, so I didn't really care.
But I'm a numbers guy. I analyze large numerical datasets all the time. The numbers made no sense. I decided to look at the data. The numbers were impossible. I worked on it until I proved that the numbers were impossible to a statistical probability of one in a googolplex. That was my awakening moment.
After I started digging in and became fully aware of the Cabal and purposeful media manipulation, I realized that Trump's braggadocio was a speaking in code, and an intentional bypass of the lies of the MSM. His statements may have looked like "bragging," but they were also corroborated by deeper digging. Only those willing to look would see that though, so to anyone not willing to look it would continue to look like bragging.
I think Trump is polarizing by intention. At each step more and more people see that the MSM are lying about Trump, but they only see it when they are ready to look for themselves. Thus Trump is training wheels for independent investigation. You have to be willing to think for yourself to see the lies, and thus you will only begin to break free from the brainwashing when you are ready to think for yourself.
If on the other hand everyone liked him, or were indifferent, the media wouldn't have any ammunition, and he would cease to be a "training system" for independent thought.
I believe that is why Trump is so polarizing. He has to be to break the trust in the experts that people have been programmed to see. Indeed, I think that "left leaning" converts are more awake than those who were already conservative because they have had to question their reality more. I think that many people on "the right" have further to go to realize that the right is just as fubar as the left, both contrived and controlled by the same source.
That's an amazing bit of analysis. It would make a good post.
The way your reactions to Trump changed as you did your analysis is very similar to how it was for me.
Excellent post Slyvar...'polarizing by intention'... appreciate your story on how you evolved with supporting Trump. I always saw past the style of speech and felt the words instead. I remember being astounded no one shared my feelings and there was little talk about the message, especially the 'We are giving back the power to YOU, the people' speech
Great insight. I wish I could give you more than one up-doot.
Fantastic comment !
I wasn’t quite there. I had donated to a few people with d’s behind their name that year and I was horrified when Hillary got on TV and I just sensed that every thing that came out of her mouth was a calculated and cold lie. In a way I’d never clocked or thought before. I now know about Benghazi and her foundation and a lot of all the other things they’d lied about all the way back to the 1970s and 1990s, I don’t need a grown up to explain to me anymore but in 2016 I clearly needed somebody to. Trump not being Hillary was “maga” enough for me.
I did not vote for him in 2016. I’m out of the country. (And thanks to “covid” I couldn’t get a drivers license for 2020, which Arizona said i needed to vote, but they clearly didn’t request from lots of people who showed up to vote with plates from Washington State. So I went as far as driving 20 hours and voting from my last state of residence, which is legal in that state if you’re “out of the country with no plans to return”) I watched him on the trail three times (in 2016 season) and upset a lot of people when I said “he’s going to win.” I had a lot of leftist friends who were enraged by this. I was like well sorry I’m not saying this because it’s what I want, I’m saying this, because this is what is GOING TO happen. It was obvious as day as I watched thousands being turned away and news helicopters covering mile long lines of people they couldn’t get inside a convention center.
I did however come all the way back for 2020. I don’t agree with Donald Trump about everything but I’ve hated Joe Biden since before some of you were born.
Edited to clarify 2016/2020 I jumped around a bit there.
Trump is the anti-Alinsky. They HATE him for this.
As in - he uses their character assassination guidebook 12 Rules for Radicals against itself. The weakness of that concept is that you use the same techniques but instead of lies, use the truth. It's brutal and, for me at least, fun to watch.
I received my first online death threat in 2012 doing the anti-Alinsky on FB. As one would expect it was a commie. DINOSAUR FARTS killed the dinosaurs!
LOLLL where have you been with these ideas, I didnt heard anybody used this technique online So I will call it plasticman's Alinsky. Do you already have a handy template for frens in need ? :D
If you are too stupid to not know of Saul Alinsky's 12 Rules for Radicals that's your failure of basic knowledge.
Lots of Laughs plastistrawman
The term that Lenin made up to describe you is Useful Idiot.
Congratulations!
Now go educate yourself and read Rules for Radicals.
My experience has been that the more people watch TV the dumber they are/become. That is why they call it programming.
The more you read the Bible and trust the Lord, the less you will rely on yourself or the approval of others.
Not caring what others think is a potent antidote to the poison of the lies from the cabal/MSM.
Well-stated, fren.
Yes!!!!!!
Spoiler: My opinion goes to that we are in a battle of Good vs. Evil. And half the population has scales on their eyes and are unable to see.
IT is the criminal Lies of MSM. I have a 'liberal' sister that is very intelligent and she Gets her 'facts' from the msm, which is 'Trump says mean things'. We have dinner every week and she always bitches about the DOUBLE price of food, YET she does not want to talk about WHY.
"I have a 'liberal' sister that is very intelligent and she Gets her 'facts' from the msm" that's quite the contradiction
'liberal' explains it.
Had to read this twice ,, damn that’s deep !
Touche!
She won't talk about it because she knows, but the truth is just to frightening to face directly - the "truth" being that we've been controlled by psychopathic criminals all our lives and Trump has been our only respite in many decades.
Realizing that all the shit we go through just trying to stay alive doesn't have to happen and is, in fact, deliberately inflicted on us for control, is too horrible to consider. So they don't.
But I am convinced that if they go silent after years of arguing with you, it's because the wheels in their heads are starting to turn. The know the truth even if they can't face it yet. But it's coming.
She thinks she's intelligent.
The libs always say something like;"He is a liar." Then I ask them to tell me one thing he has lie about. Crickets.
This is true. When I ask someone specifically what they don’t like about Pres Trump, they say they “just don’t like him.” “Why?” Crickets. It’s brainwashing, I think.
That’s my grandma, too. She’s 90 but more with it than a lot of 30 years olds. Diehard Dem. She says she will always vote Dem no matter what. You try to point out how she’s struggling to buy food now and my parents have to send Hello Fresh 3x a week and she can’t afford to travel much anymore like she did and rent and utilities are rising and gas is super high and all her friends can’t afford to eat out like they used to in groups and crime is up. She can’t go to NyC anymore like she did since that’s where she’s from..and the masks, jabs and lockdowns and general tyranny but she won’t change her mind and all her friends are the same. It’s maddening. Its infuriating. It’s brainwashing.
Wow, that's just like my 93-yr-old mother! My sister, who lives with her, is a little more flexible, and just might, might, see the light before long.
Musk explained how he became a conservative by not changing. 😠https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1519735033950470144/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1519735033950470144%7Ctwgr%5Ef119e8a338db034f686015c1c201a140fd1669b2%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-31917783952587153484.ampproject.net%2F2308112021001%2Fframe.html
Curious as I have heard but still not seen and that is did Elon really kick Trump off X (Twitter)? Does anyone know???
They don't like him because if they did, they'd have to agree with him that the other side are criminals who have been deliberately wrecking our lives just so they can stay in power and keep control.
They hate having to think about that or - even worse - consider doing something about it. It's far easier to kill the messenger than go after the monsters who are the real cause, especially when MSM insists that it's all the messengers fault and there are no monsters.
But we know there are monsters and we are no longer afraid of the truth.
I sent my sister the video of how the media has been portraying Trump, but she said she said "I hate politics, can't vote and if I could, I would never vote for him. I'm sure he has many good qualities but wish he would just go back to real estate and television shows"
Warmonger is another smear that I always hear from libs. When I ask them which war did he have a hand in starting, I get the same thing- crickets. Then when I mention that no new wars started under his Presidency, I get the "mahhhh", the cold shoulder and walk-away. It's soooo fucking pathetic.
I have found that leftist only have two responses to questions, or even ask what policies of the Democratic party they believe helps the U.S., and they either start name-calling, or just walk away (logoff from internet communication)
Truth vs Delusion are the most polarising, because they cannot co-exist. Always been.
Nicely put.
I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that Trump deals in absolutes and sees many things in black and white terms. I see things the same way and it pisses people off when they lack the strength to face or deal with cold hard truths.
Truth is absolute.
He is exceptionally blunt. He will not sugarcoat the truth to appease anyone’s sensitivities. After decades of politicians politely telling us comfortable lies, having someone bluntly tell us the uncomfortable truth was a culture shock.
And he is merciless towards his enemies. He revels in the art of giving his opponents nicknames that 1) immediately stick and go viral, and 2) torpedo what was left of their political aspirations. To those who are used to the polite lies and “gentlemanly” debates of the past, it’s off putting. To everyone else who likes a good scrap, it’s intoxicating.
Trump is good friends with Vince McMahon, of WWE fame. Both He and Trump fit the archetype of the professional wrestler or fighter, people who are always polarizing just because of who they are. You love them, or you hate them.
Pre-2015, I did not like Trump. I did not know him, at all, and did not like that celebrity persona that he had during his TV shows. Then I watched his very first rally, broadcast on the web in July 2015. And I heard what he said. And I realized there was so much more to him. So I watched closely, and by 2016, I was a fan. I saw what the public morons could not see - that his rough NY street talk was simply playing the game, and underneath he spoke truth, quietly and clearly. I followed his actions, and he won me over.
I watched the primaries in 16 and wasn't sure. Liked Carson and watched them smear him. When Trump won the nomination I figured, well, it's him because it sure wasn't going to be Hillary. Then I watched people getting chased and pummeled by crowds of hundreds of people after Trump rallies, the lady by herself who was getting pelted by eggs who was cornered outside of the hotel door, countless videos of Trump supporters getting beat in the streets, always largely outnumbered by violent mobs. I knew I was on the right side and I decided at that point I would never run or down play my support to appease those faggots.
Evil corrupt people hate him,and use the mocking bird to get dumbasses to hate him as well....
Brings to mind certain parables such as that one about the wheat and the tares. Matthew 13:24-30. At some point there is supposed to be a great separation. In ordinary times you can’t easily tell the good from the evil because souls hide behind social facades. Then things happen to cause truth to be revealed. Obviously we are living in such a time and Trump is a catalyst.
because he's charismatic and has many enemies.
if you're open minded enough to be in the middle ground, you'll probably end up being on his side. because he really is fighting for the people, and it shows upon examination. if you don't examine, you'll just believe the media, who say you should hate him.
He's a threat to the world's most powerful and wealthy people that run a very well oiled and financed political machine in Washington D.C. Everybody in D.C. has their place in it and they all are rewarded for it. Trump is an outsider which means he isn't corrupted by it nor is he beholden to anybody. They realized the only way to fight him is to hyperpolarize everything he does in an effort to turn the public against him. It's only gotten more and more extreme to the point where they've had to go full authoritarian.
He's definitely helped pull back the curtain to expose the wizard many of us "knew" was there but didn't realize just how utterly demonic and nefarious "they" are.
Yes, he has, and plenty of people hate that because now they have to deal with that. They'd much rather just go on ignoring it and not be expected to do anything about it.
In the past few years, I have learned that the general populace are freaking cowardly morons. It has been shocking. The ordinary person has deteriorated mentally and physically, until they are just shells of the people they could be. They cannot think for themselves, and must be told to do everything. It's astounding.
He makes them decide for themselves, he respects free will.
They hate having been made to be responsible for themselves.
...Because he has INTEGRITY.
Integrity is doing what you say you are going to do, when you say you are going to do it.
VERY few politicians do even a fraction of what they say they are going to do - including all the "on day 1, I'm going to (xyz)" bs.
Trump on the other hand, does exactly what he said he was going to do AND does it in a timely manner AND THEN SOME.
What makes Trump so popular is WE THE PEOPLE believe him - Therefore we trust him and believe he is going to do whatever is necessary to put foot to ass to the deep state and evil.
We believe in him because he's been TRUE in his ACTIONS. That is absolute GOLD to all of us, because we've all been living through unprecedented lies, gaslighting and overall bullshit. The buck stops with Trump.
Promises made. Promises kept.
It shows the power of programming. People have been lulled to sleep, hypnotized. Through MK Ultra they basically perfected the repitition and rhythm of words, imagery, and sound to achieve such, and people who "tune in" without a filter are basically in a lucid-seeming trance. Some of those even vote Trump but say they revile the man. The media machine has done that by design.
Some people cannot be hypnotized, even by the most skilled hypnotists. I am curious what makes some of us wired differently that we can't allow someone to take us over. From what I can tell it's usually those of us with an innate disdain for authority. Many people love auhority because they can offset responsibilty for how their life is going.
I was watching Patrick Bet-David interview Glenn Greenwald on his podcast yesterday. PBD has been making a point as of late that it is not left/right, red/blue, D/R, but rather establishment vs. anti-establishment. GG expanded on that by agreeing and gave an example of the people that voted twice for Obama and then Trump in 2016. That if you look at it from the L/R paradigm, it doesn't make sense but it does when you view it as establishment vs. anti-establishment. Remember, Obama in 2008 ran as an outsider and that was very attractive to a lot of people who were fed up with status quo. It makes sense they were drawn to Trump. Obviously in hindsight, Obama was a bit of a ruse, but at their time, no one really knew. Social media had not taken off so the message was tightly controlled.
BTW, it is a good interview if you have the time. They usually chop it up into shorter bites but it takes a couple of days.
Thanks, will check it out. And makes a lot of sense - I had never voted, ALMOST voted for Obama for the reasons you stated but so glad I didn't, and cast my first vote ever in my life for Trump in 2016. It was just so clear at point that the establishment hated him and that he was our guy. Like unavoidably obvious.
there is an earnest effort going on, covert more than overt, but becoming more overt, at demoralizing the nation for a communist revolution.
Part of that effort is a massive psyop. The victims of this psyop are either knowingly or unknowingly becoming blatantly anti-human and anti-American. Selfish, carnal, secular-humanist, no black or white right or wrong. And VERY easily manipulated.
Trump represents the exact opposite of all this.
He is a free-thinker, he is aggressive, he is passionate, he is pro-human, pro-America, and believes in dignity and self sufficiency.
This is like holy water on a witch. It's like rubbing the cat fur backwards. It's like showing a picture of Mohammed being birthed out of a pig to a Muslim.
It's like saying the name of Jesus to a demon posessed person.
The psyop isn't just communist, it's satanic.
That right there is enough for me to be Pro Trump. ---->>> The Reaction is Proof.
Trump is pretty “normie safe”, nothing he has said or done is extreme or fringe. The idea that he is “polarizing” is a msm talking point to socially engineer the left AND right.. divide and conquer theory
Actually, he is very blunt. He's telling the truth, but we are trained to be more polite about it. He says our country is a banana republic, JB is the worst president ever, and Pelosi is going to hell. I've never heard a candidate talk like that before.
St. George did not kill the dragon by asking it politely to roll over and die. He took bold, decisive, lethal action, because if he hadn't, he would have been said dragon's main course. Trump is in the same position, but many establishment-types, wittingly or not, would prefer he politely reason with "the dragon."
Many of his ideas remain close to the fire that brings reality into existence.
Trump is effective. That really drives them nuts. They also hate Tucker for being effective. When someone is ineffective, like Jeb or Rubio, there isn’t the same kind of hatred. It’s like watching a football game and the quarterback on the other team is crushing it and kicking your team’s ass. People will start to hate the quarterback for being effective, but the third-stringer sitting on the bench, nobody is hating on him.
I think people are jealous of PDJT. They are jealous of his success, his beautiful wife, his money, his properties, his popularity with the American people. They can't stand it, they haven't been able to bring him down or his support.
He is not compromised…He threatens to expose them
It really is that simple. Their very survival depends on getting rid of him. The propaganda MSM machine has been 24/7 scaring sheep since he ran R. No one was rabidly against him before he became a politician. Obama and the Hollywood demons licked his boots.
I know people who don’t hate him, but don’t like him either. Every time I ask them why they say it’s the way he talks. And I always go, “like not a politician?” And they go well, yeah? And I always go,”so an actor? All politicians are acting, they’re all phony. Trump is real, he’s not a politician. He’s not an act.”
They usually have nothing to say and agree.
What's funny is that I never much cared for President Trump BEFORE he entered the political arena. I agreed with a lot of his positions but never paid much attention to him. When he ran for president, I really started to like him because he said everything that's been on my mind for years. Finally someone with a spine and testicular veracity. We need more like him to stand up and be counted and a LOT less of these weak-ass pansies that are presented to us courtesy of the uniparty. That's the only way this country will find its bearings.
That’s right. As soon as Trump came down the escalator and made his first speech announcing he was running and immediately began tearing into everyone I was on board. He said exactly what I had been thinking for years. I’ve never looked back.
Hate comes easy to the Leftist mindset.
I ask what if? What if Trump is… while many so called Christian’s will automatically mock this idea it doesn’t say trump is a god. It asks what if he is doing what God wants
John 15:18-25
The World Hates the Disciples
18 “If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. 19 If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you. 20 Remember what I told you: ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’[a] If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also. 21 They will treat you this way because of my name, for they do not know the one who sent me. 22 If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not be guilty of sin; but now they have no excuse for their sin. 23 Whoever hates me hates my Father as well. 24 If I had not done among them the works no one else did, they would not be guilty of sin. As it is, they have seen, and yet they have hated both me and my Father. 25 But this is to fulfill what is written in their Law: ‘They hated me without reason.’[b]
I've been lied to by politicians my whole life. Two people have consistently told it like it is and have been vilified for it: Ross Perot and Donald Trump.
Ross Perot was unprepared for the evil, but he definitely was a sign of things to come.
GEOTUS pulled all their fucking masks off.
Note to Star_Coomander Ross Perot hated the Bushes he ran so to allow Clinton to become President. Both from Texas so was I. On Election Day, Perot finished in third place behind Clinton (the winner) and Bush. Perot received 19,743,821 votes, the most ever received by a non-major-party candidate, which accounted for 18.91% of the popular vote.
he separates the programmed people from those willing think for themselves.
Christian (Religious) = Trump, Secular = Anyone else…🤔