If you believe we're not allowed to question everything, including the moon landing as we've been taught all these years, you do not belong on these boards.
Feel free to question those questioning the Moon landings and their 'evidence', as well.
Houston Control was full of brilliant men who worked as a team to put incredibly brave men in space.
They weren't a collection of crisis actors and bullshit artists.
Edit: Be sure to hit that downvote button, hypocrites. lol Comes in handy when you cannot support your theories with reason and intellect. Make the case and bring the proofs. That's what makes a reasoned debate.
I actually leave room for the Moon landings being faked. The rants and unsupported evidence come up way short, however.
Certainly can make the case that the entire counter Psyop to the Space Program and Space X being fake and CGI is actually designed to shit all over the accomplishments of White Americans and sow total doubt of EVERYTHING.
Having watched the full footage, overlaid upon the curiosity I always had about how a tinfoil lined go-kart was able to deal with the “infinite vacuum of space”, the moon landings were almost certainly faked, but that doesn’t equate to “flat earth” or space being fake.
Space is 50/50.
It’s quite obvious something is going on in the sky.
NASA being Hebrew for “to deceive” (“Nasha”) and originally run by a Prussian Nazi doesn’t help anything.
Them being so weird about Antarctica doesn’t help anything, either.
There are legitimate appearing stories fitting both narratives that I can’t fully evaluate.
Even if they’re just getting rockets up really high with long-term floating / camouflaged payloads that don’t crash into the ground all the time, that’s still fairly impressive.
I am open to at least hearing an engaging argument for why the moon landing was fake, if only because it's an opportunity to engage in thought provoking discussion.
Flat earth shit on the other hand, there is not enough proof in the world -- not even sending them up themselves -- that would unscrew their heads from their ass.
I am aware this last bit is a touchy subject for some people, but frankly I don't care. There is endless proof that is easy to observe for the spheroidal planet.
But when it comes to the moon landing, there are a lot of questions that have popped up through the years that never really get properly answered, so my natural curiosity actually likes to hear the questions about it.
Personally, I believe we went. I'm not sure if the time we went is exactly the time we know, however. We have the laser reflector up there, yada yada so on so forth.
Firm (solid) ament (the thing that participated in the act of)
Plane -t (diminutive)
Uni- (one) -verse (turn of the plow, or furrow)
Radia (spoke of a wheel)
Di (two) mensio (thoughts) / dimensare (measurements)
Meter (a scheme in verse)
Metric (science of versification) (deals with time)
Allen is associated with 6s. Van (from)
Why have the wizenards of the divided knowledge cast these words among our spellings?
Your dad worked for NASA and now you can't believe his work was BS, that's the only logical explanation for this unquestionable worship of something satanic.
nah... I'm a high IQ critical thinker and I witness rockets going up and boosters coming down on a nearly weekly basis from here on the Space Coast.
Idiots on this thread claim that's CGI lol And you upvote their comments and downvote mine.
Here is a post of mine on Voat about the Space X ZUMA launch in 2018. Note, I'm questioning EVERYTHING. Also note the identical shill comments found on this thread lol
lol Rather, I've consistently excelled over others in problem solving, public speaking, quick recall of facts and history, critical thinking, athletics and coordination.
Wait. So you think that some people are more naturally talented at things like running and lifting than others, yet pattern recognition is a skill that’s the same for everyone?
There are a lot of issues with IQ but stupid and smart people still exist (to varying degrees)
I believe the moon landings were real, but I believe the footage to prove that there was the moon landing, was fake. There’s a huge difference. Yes, I believe we went to the moon, because my dad was part of the team. He was not a crisis actor, he was a legitimate rocket scientist. And I have notebooks up on notebooks to prove what he did for a living!
Not that I necessarily take your word on it being real, but the footage was fake, not the landing. A more accurate statement from my stancepoint would be that I don’t know what the landing looked like, or if it happened or not, but the footage was fake, not the landing.
I recently saw a video by the YouTube channel called The Why Files entitled: "The Moon Landing: Stanley Kubrick's Greatest Film | How NASA and Hollywood Fooled the World"
The video sets forth the points people make as to why it was hoaxed, as well as the very valid incentives why there would be a reason to fake it since the USA was in a race to demoralize the USSR. Then it shows evidence to disprove much of it. It does leave questions unexplained, like why astronauts are today talking about in the future it may be possible to travel further than lower orbit, etc. One of the points people make is that you cannot see stars in the photos taken on the moon. But having studied photography, I know that the aperture would have be small, otherwise everything would be a big white blur just to capture the stars in a photo. It also shows how that interview with Stanley Kubrick was actually an actor faking it. There are still many questions remaining though, and the one thing the video mentions at the end is that whistleblower who saw stuff on the far side of the moon.
One of the weirdest discoveries in Wikileaks is the unclassified communication regarding a Soviet attack on a US moonbase in the '70s. Wild stuff.
Nice aggressive responses on multiple threads, “Vengeance”.
Having seen many debates between GE’s and FE’s, it’s worth noting that the FE’s usually win (in my opinion).
Doesn’t mean their position is correct. Doesn’t mean their arguments were correct.
Means they had better refutations and points. I’m just a layman with no pony in this race, it’s the debater’s job to convince me.
As far as “losing the plot”, if you can tell me ONE point where having the wrong opinion on this subject would functionally and pragmatically affect my day-to-day life in any way other than potential loss of social opinion, I’m all ears.
Note that I do not professionally launch rockets or chart global navigation routes.
The best argument for not pushing FE is that it can dissuade normies from looking into other posited dissenting evidences. It came from here, and it’s a very good point.
Outside of that, the subject as a whole is an interesting dive into epistemology and how people rationalize and engage with both reality and intellectual propositions.
Regarding "round earth" proofs, an easy proof is to triangulate the position of the sun from at least 3 different positions on the globe simultaneously. Cell phones can be useful. The further apart these locations are, the more effective the triangulation will be (at least, it'll be easier to work with in the proof).
Doing this will prove that the surface of the earth MUST be curved in order for each reference of triangulation to be pointing at the same source. If the earth were flat, the triangulation wouldn't match up, as though each reference were pointing to a completely different point in the sky.
There are tons of proofs as to why the "flat earth model" can't exist. Not many proofs are presented as to why the earth is round. But the above-mentioned proof is one. And it's easily testable too without having to figure out how to launch a flat-earther into space to personally "witness" the curvature of the earth.
To take it a step further, FE/GE is notably Hegelian.
The earth could also be rounded or curved without being a sphere floating in space, with us occupying a smaller plane within a larger one, or an object that simply isn’t flat. There may be other options, too.
I’m not good enough at the equations to verify the math portions, myself. If the FE equations are off, it would certainly be a great point of attack for GE/NFE to go after, but I haven’t seen it in debates. Not clearly, at least.
That’s why I say I’ve seen debates lost, not one or the other proven or disproven, and that my interest in this race is in how people approach information, and not necessarily in which point is true.
You know how they say if we don't launch now, we can't launch for 8 more days or whatever, that's because they're tracking the layers of the Van Allen belt. They launch when they can send the shuttle through the thinnest part of the belt at the highest speed to reduce exposure. All of the electronics are hard sealed against the radiation the same way they protect things from EMPs.
The space station doesn't have to worry about this because they orbit between the belt and the earth.
Posts like this from mods are frustrating. Plenty of reasons to question the moon landings along with everything else. What the truth is I don’t know, but not a fan of mods making posts like this using name calling when they know that’s against the rules for the rest of us. Don’t make “be civil” a rule and then tempt your users to be uncivil simply by treating you in kind.
I think the mods here are great 99% of the time. Every once win a while they forget their own rules and what this place would turn into if we all started calling each other names on here rather than having respectful disagreements.
When we went to the moon, I was driving a '62 Chevy Biscayne Wagon with a 286 V8 and three on the tree. Sadly, this is now impossible because the technology has been lost.
I still own and drive my 1962 Impala SS that I bought new in 1962 before I enlisted. It's a great car. And yeah, they don't make them like that. My other vehicle is a 2020 Ram 1500 and I've had more problems with it in three years than I've had with my Impala in 60.
I had a 61' Chevy Biscayne with a V6 and three on the tree - and bias ply tires....it had the great big tail fins......I paid $600 for it. Wish I still had that amazing piece of technology...
I’m not a retard. My brother had Down’s syndrome so I know what a retard is. He died of the jab last year, along with my father, after I could not convince him ABC was lying. 10 years ago I studied every conspiracy, spent months on the moon landing. I’m an electrical & mechanical engineer and I currently work as an expert witness in Australia. I’m a member of Mensa. IMO, no Apollo mission landed on the moon. The earth and moon are balls in space. Flat earth is a CIA psyop to make all of us seem like lunatics so any truth we post can be discredited. The moon emits X-rays from its surface due to higher energy radiation from the sun hitting it, since it has no atmosphere to protect it. There’s no engineering solution to that. Man has never been above low earth orbit. There is nothing on the moon, just dust. It’s solid, made of rock similar to earth. The mars, moon and ISS footage are all faked. Just more theft from the public by the cabal.
The 1977 movie Capricorn One dramatizes a faked mission to Mars, and how they would cover all bases to keep both the workers and the public in the dark. Including erasing the existence of a controller who starts questioning the downlink data.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capricorn_One
Also lost were the company’s, and their technology, to make the components that were used to build the rockets and moon landing hardware. Much of it was fast tracked, ignoring things like drawing revisions and documentation of design changes that were done on the fly. No drawings, no parts. Tooling that was required to machine intricate parts lost or thrown away. Keep in mind, back then there was no CAD, parts were designed on drafting tables using slide rules. No pocket calculators. What didn’t get written down resided in men’s heads. When they were gone so was the capability.
I noticed you were down voted but what you said is an accurate description of how things were done "back in the day". I worked for 25 years as a quality management systems auditor. I saw the transition from paper to computers.
I lived it as an engineer. Started on the drafting board then moved to 2D cad, then 3D cad and then to solid modeling. ProEngineer and SolidWorks. I followed the space program starting as a kid. Most of the hardware used to get to the moon was the modern equivalent of one off prototypes. Machined on manual mills and lathes or at best numerical controlled machines using punch cards. People nowadays don’t have a clue how it was then. Rotary dial phones! It was the sixty’s.
Can’t confirm! My father was a rocket scientist, and worked for Rocketdyne, Rockwell International, and NASA. He was part of the team that sent the rocket to the Moon, he helped design the material that allows the shuttlecraft to return into our orbit without burning up. (he basically got an award for it. Of course, no money because the government owns the technology.)
My father was nothing short of a genius. I still have all of these notebooks that I found in his closet after he died seven years ago. The notebooks contain schematics and documentation for rocket engines on jobs that he worked on, especially divert engines. I will never get rid of these notebooks. 👏👏👏
I even have some little mini divert engine casings that they used in testing. I also have the end of a rocket engine, that I took to a highend metal recycling location in Los Angeles. The business was an entire block long. The guy brought out his little gun to point at the poece, and he couldn’t figure out what it was. He said it all his years, he never had a piece of metal brought him that he couldn’t figure out what it was.
As he scratched his head, I put it back in my trunk and told him to have a great day. I explain to him that my dad was a rocket scientist, and this must be something pretty special. I still have it today.
Well, when I first heard the author of, "A Funny Thing Happened on the Way yo the Moon" on a podcast, I was pretty triggered, thinking, "No Way that they are lying about this, too." It took me a few months sorting through it all. It led to other subjects banned on this site, but Truth cannot be put back into the box of Lies. Once you see and understand, it is obvious. Like how no way you can go back and believe molecules-to-man evolution, once you see it isn't possible. So, if you are on the fence, keep digging until you find the truth.
Part of the issue, is that Space Flight is considered SAFE.
Nobody working with NASA wants anyone to get hurt or die. But space flight is NOT a safe endeavor, politicians abuse NASA by flying unqualified people for political purposes. When something goes wrong - NASA is shut down for YEARS.
NASA is scared to take risks, this is why SpaceX is making such Herculean leaps. When Elon blows up Starships 1 and 2; he moves along with what he learned. NASA would still be doing a report on what happened during launch to cause the debris storm, let alone on the multiple engine shutdowns.
NASA is perhaps the most politically correct Gov't agency there is, because unlike the DoD, NASA is at the mercy of Congress for funding every year. You cannot fund a decades long program, with an annual budget that changes due to politics. You wind up spending MUCH more, and taking MUCH longer.
As one who spent 38 years in aerospace manufacturing, you are spot on. Boeing and NASA are scared of their shadows... Bloated middle-management too close to retirement hold everyone back because they don’t want failure in their final years. The “Right Stuff” peeps were gone by the 80’s...
Yea landing on the moon... The coming back will take weeks if not months. You will not get any speed at 1/6 of earth gravity. You will push that little rocket with limited fuel for a few hours maybe but will never reach the speed necessary to reach the earth. It's funny to read all your nonsense about how we get there.
Last I was aware. The official claim was that there were a lot of last minute adjustments, modifications, calculations etc. In some cases quite literally done on NASA Breakroom napkins. That have been lost.
And the people who did them. Have been lost to retirement, death, and assorted illnesses affecting the mind. Leaving them with no institutional knowledge left. Meaning they’re starting over from square 1. Actually likely less than given the quality of education now….
As far as Theories I’ve heard for why we haven’t gone back that aren’t related to the Apollo Missions being faked. Or the earth being flat.
We did actually land on the moon. Just not with the technology they said we had available to us. And wanting to protect American Scientific/Military secrets. They constructed what we currently “know” and seeded it with deliberate disinformation.
We actually did land. But we had no ability to transmit the footage. Nor bring back anywhere near the amount of equipment they said we did. So they faked the footage and most of the “Official” equipment on public display for the Propaganda Win.
Another theory is that the last manned mission. Discovered the remains of a Soviet Cosmonaut expedition that had been torn apart. And the NASA crew after withdrawing to their capsule for emergency lift off. Reported unknown shadows and shape’s moving around outside before they lifted off. So the NASA and the Military banned further expeditions and took steps to sabotage, Destroy and edit Missions Documents as well as spreading disinformation to discourage any further returns until we know what we’re facing up there.
We cut a secret deal with the Soviets to avoid a War on Earth. As the Soviets would be paranoid about “Capitalist Military Moon Bases”
We were explicitly warned away from the Moon and told it’s not a natural Solar body at all. But a Prison. With a Similar Entity. Though dramatically less powerful one imprisoned at Tsarichina in Bulgaria. (Look up Operation Sunray)
(This theory was surprisingly elaborate and would actually make for a pretty good story. ) But the gist is. Humanity is far, far, far older and more technologically advanced than we are willing to admit. (Ala the Forerunners/Precursors from Halo for a close example.) We were supposed to be the pinnacle of physical creation and shepherds there to create and seed life under the watchful eyes of the almighty. And due to a mix of our own hubris. Abusing aforementioned technology, Delusions of Grandeur, Corruption by fallen Angels, Divine intervention by God to humble us and remind us he is ultimately in charge. And influence of Elites seeking to obtain power. We were forcibly and steadily devolved down the technological ladder. Back to tribal/Hunter gatherer days. With numerous disasters and other events wiping any trace of this past from Archeological and Historical records.
And we’ll be granted full access to the Moon. Which is secretly an ark/time capsule full of our forgotten history and technology. When God decides we are ready to be re-entrusted with it.
And the Apollo Missions were allowed there to tell us that it is there. And the last departed with a warning from Angels posted to guard the Ark that no further Manned Missions would be allowed to succeed until God decided it was time to start giving us our proverbial toys back. (Honestly sounds like an interesting premise for a story. And I kinda want to know how/who the theory originated with).
We actually did land. But we had no ability to transmit the footage. Nor bring back anywhere near the amount of equipment they said we did. So they faked the footage and most of the “Official” equipment on public display for the Propaganda Win.
This is the scenario I lean towards now. With "the eyes of the world watching" that summer, what would have happened if, say, the LEM couldn't lift off from the moon? They had no way of knowing if that would happen or not and I just can't picture them leaving that possibility to chance. The whole world would have to know that 2 men were left to die on the moon and there was nothing anyone could do to save them. The deaths of the Apollo 1 astronauts on the pad had been jarring enough.
Best just to have someone knock up some good footage/effects for the plebes to watch on TV where everything ends well, just as it was supposed to. If anything had happened to the actual astronauts, it would have given them time to bring out a plausible cover story, like "They died on re-entry" or "We didn't get to the capsule in time and they drowned in the ocean".
NASA has a large vacuum chamber in Houston that they tested the LEM with. They evacuated all the air out, and even used a pulley system with the right amount of "lift" to simulate the moon's gravity.
You are too stupid to live. Your post history is non-existent. You contribute nothing. You are now being moved to the nosebleeds where you belong.
Chuck Grissom had a lemon hung outside the Apollo 1 capsule right before he died in the fire, which some claim was suspicious. He was going to give a scathing interview of what he thought of the incompetence of the Apollo program. He would disagree with the calibre of people there. He said that many were incompetent. Know who else said they were incompetent? The man in charge of safety and quality control for North American Aviation, the main contractor for the Apollo command module, Thomas Baron, was killed in a car wreck with a train a week after his testimony saying there was widespread incompetence in the Apollo program. Astronaut James Irwin was scheduled to talk to Bill Kaysing on Friday, but died of a heart attack Thursday. Bill Kaysing who wrote the book that kicked off the whole subject worked as a technical writer with Rocketdyne Corporation and documented tests of many rockets that were designed for ICBM missiles. He was not impressed, it seemed a lot like Elon's rockets to nowhere.
But the fact that they "lost" all the footage to most iconic technological achievement in human history. The moon landings stopped when Vietnam stopped. Think about it. As far as the calibre of men at NASA, lots of guys who were actually there would totally disagree with this assessment.
Lets see... The Moon is 1.27 Light Seconds from Earth and we went there 55 years ago. Wow! At the pace we are going we will land on Mars (Another useless chunk of rock) in another 1,000 years or so.
It'll be 2040 and yeah, Mars is a useless chunk of rock. We're going there for literally no reason. There's nothing at the poles, no water, just frozen CO2.
We didn't return to the Moon because the "hippie culture" being promoted by the MSM was strongly against spending public money on anything but envronmentalism and handouts to the "inner city."
I watched this happen, and it pissed me off to no end.
Wrong. No, it's because there was no economic impetus to go to the moon, the "triumph" over the USSR had paid off and there was no reason to go to the moon anymore, then Skylab took over and they focused on LEO so they could "still be seen to be doing something" while all the space programs went black budget into the military.
I absolutely question and doubt everything every government agency says at all times. Even on the rare occasion they tell some truth, it is still wrapped in a lie.
I was banned for 7 days by OP for posting that "You either believe NASA or the Bible" - pretty innocuous statement if you have zero trust in government agencies.
My cousin was an engineer at NASA in the 70s, he was a very religious man and very open about it, and he had zero issues there. His son worked as engineer there also and would often openly display his crucifix with zero issues and talk openly about Jesus.
If NASA did ban Jesus, no one told the people that worked there.
Because there are trolls and glowies and others here who haven’t yet learned or want to discourage free thought - except when someone is successfully convincing others of the Truth, at which point we need to consider other options!
There was a story one of the astronauts allegedly told; when they went to the moon he said there were all kinds of spaceships parked on the rims of the craters along with many tall ETs 'manning the rails' of the craters. Allegedly they were told not to come back. Does anyone else remember this story from the 80's? When I search it online I find "fact check" articles saying Buzz Aldren never said this and I am not finding the original articles about it. I distinctly remember a local radio host talking about it, this would have been the late 80's or early 90's.
I believe it had something to do with amateur radio autists found the channel or the secret channel and heard him say it.
The Antartica stories involving him were interesting
And the useless electric cars that run people over, run out of power when it's cold, and burst into flames, needing a reservoir full of water to put them out.
If you believe we're not allowed to question everything, including the moon landing as we've been taught all these years, you do not belong on these boards.
agree. I question Everything, even my own family. only Trust God, and yourself.
Yep! If you need to question your God you need a new one!
May I recommend Jesus Christ!
Yep..
Feel free to question those questioning the Moon landings and their 'evidence', as well.
Houston Control was full of brilliant men who worked as a team to put incredibly brave men in space.
They weren't a collection of crisis actors and bullshit artists.
Edit: Be sure to hit that downvote button, hypocrites. lol Comes in handy when you cannot support your theories with reason and intellect. Make the case and bring the proofs. That's what makes a reasoned debate.
I’ve been increasingly leaning firmament, if only out of spite, but I’ll updoot your legitimate counter-counterpoint!
Stay skeptic and critical thinking of all, frens!
Same. Tho mentioning that here usually brings out the hordes and potential banning.
Especially OP here. Will post about it and then ban any dissenters. If you don't believe it, don't bring it up.
I actually leave room for the Moon landings being faked. The rants and unsupported evidence come up way short, however.
Certainly can make the case that the entire counter Psyop to the Space Program and Space X being fake and CGI is actually designed to shit all over the accomplishments of White Americans and sow total doubt of EVERYTHING.
Having watched the full footage, overlaid upon the curiosity I always had about how a tinfoil lined go-kart was able to deal with the “infinite vacuum of space”, the moon landings were almost certainly faked, but that doesn’t equate to “flat earth” or space being fake.
Space is 50/50. It’s quite obvious something is going on in the sky. NASA being Hebrew for “to deceive” (“Nasha”) and originally run by a Prussian Nazi doesn’t help anything. Them being so weird about Antarctica doesn’t help anything, either. There are legitimate appearing stories fitting both narratives that I can’t fully evaluate.
Even if they’re just getting rockets up really high with long-term floating / camouflaged payloads that don’t crash into the ground all the time, that’s still fairly impressive.
Haha nice downdoot, whoever did it. Sorry I have opinions and stated some reasons for them!
I am open to at least hearing an engaging argument for why the moon landing was fake, if only because it's an opportunity to engage in thought provoking discussion.
Flat earth shit on the other hand, there is not enough proof in the world -- not even sending them up themselves -- that would unscrew their heads from their ass.
I am aware this last bit is a touchy subject for some people, but frankly I don't care. There is endless proof that is easy to observe for the spheroidal planet.
But when it comes to the moon landing, there are a lot of questions that have popped up through the years that never really get properly answered, so my natural curiosity actually likes to hear the questions about it.
Personally, I believe we went. I'm not sure if the time we went is exactly the time we know, however. We have the laser reflector up there, yada yada so on so forth.
You have a lot to learn.
Do we not have a terrestrial telescope powerful enough to view the landing site?
Here is some evidence for speculation and scrutiny:
https://www.planetary.org/articles/3172?gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIyKa_mOLngwMVEIVaBR1bLAEzEAMYASAAEgI3YvD_BwE
https://centerforaninformedamerica.com/moondoggie-1/
The words for these things are interesting:
Firm (solid) ament (the thing that participated in the act of) Plane -t (diminutive) Uni- (one) -verse (turn of the plow, or furrow) Radia (spoke of a wheel) Di (two) mensio (thoughts) / dimensare (measurements) Meter (a scheme in verse) Metric (science of versification) (deals with time) Allen is associated with 6s. Van (from)
Why have the wizenards of the divided knowledge cast these words among our spellings?
Does this help to lock us into war, somehow?
It suffices that light speed is so darn slow. That's God's way of isolating planets in our universe.
Your dad worked for NASA and now you can't believe his work was BS, that's the only logical explanation for this unquestionable worship of something satanic.
Now you're just talking out your ass....
you're blinded and lied to
nah... I'm a high IQ critical thinker and I witness rockets going up and boosters coming down on a nearly weekly basis from here on the Space Coast.
Idiots on this thread claim that's CGI lol And you upvote their comments and downvote mine.
Here is a post of mine on Voat about the Space X ZUMA launch in 2018. Note, I'm questioning EVERYTHING. Also note the identical shill comments found on this thread lol
https://archive.searchvoat.co/v/news/2327030
You realize everyone has a high IQ right?
IQ scores are just another psyop, to make stupid people believe they are smarter than average.
lol Rather, I've consistently excelled over others in problem solving, public speaking, quick recall of facts and history, critical thinking, athletics and coordination.
You're not calling yourself an idiot, are you?
Wait. So you think that some people are more naturally talented at things like running and lifting than others, yet pattern recognition is a skill that’s the same for everyone?
There are a lot of issues with IQ but stupid and smart people still exist (to varying degrees)
A Stereoscopic method of verifying Apollo lunar surface images
http://archive.is/XTfJg
I believe the moon landings were real, but I believe the footage to prove that there was the moon landing, was fake. There’s a huge difference. Yes, I believe we went to the moon, because my dad was part of the team. He was not a crisis actor, he was a legitimate rocket scientist. And I have notebooks up on notebooks to prove what he did for a living!
Great clarification, agreed!
Not that I necessarily take your word on it being real, but the footage was fake, not the landing. A more accurate statement from my stancepoint would be that I don’t know what the landing looked like, or if it happened or not, but the footage was fake, not the landing.
I recently saw a video by the YouTube channel called The Why Files entitled: "The Moon Landing: Stanley Kubrick's Greatest Film | How NASA and Hollywood Fooled the World"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDyJe1nmSOM
The video sets forth the points people make as to why it was hoaxed, as well as the very valid incentives why there would be a reason to fake it since the USA was in a race to demoralize the USSR. Then it shows evidence to disprove much of it. It does leave questions unexplained, like why astronauts are today talking about in the future it may be possible to travel further than lower orbit, etc. One of the points people make is that you cannot see stars in the photos taken on the moon. But having studied photography, I know that the aperture would have be small, otherwise everything would be a big white blur just to capture the stars in a photo. It also shows how that interview with Stanley Kubrick was actually an actor faking it. There are still many questions remaining though, and the one thing the video mentions at the end is that whistleblower who saw stuff on the far side of the moon.
One of the weirdest discoveries in Wikileaks is the unclassified communication regarding a Soviet attack on a US moonbase in the '70s. Wild stuff.
Nice aggressive responses on multiple threads, “Vengeance”.
Having seen many debates between GE’s and FE’s, it’s worth noting that the FE’s usually win (in my opinion). Doesn’t mean their position is correct. Doesn’t mean their arguments were correct. Means they had better refutations and points. I’m just a layman with no pony in this race, it’s the debater’s job to convince me.
As far as “losing the plot”, if you can tell me ONE point where having the wrong opinion on this subject would functionally and pragmatically affect my day-to-day life in any way other than potential loss of social opinion, I’m all ears.
Note that I do not professionally launch rockets or chart global navigation routes.
The best argument for not pushing FE is that it can dissuade normies from looking into other posited dissenting evidences. It came from here, and it’s a very good point.
Outside of that, the subject as a whole is an interesting dive into epistemology and how people rationalize and engage with both reality and intellectual propositions.
Regarding "round earth" proofs, an easy proof is to triangulate the position of the sun from at least 3 different positions on the globe simultaneously. Cell phones can be useful. The further apart these locations are, the more effective the triangulation will be (at least, it'll be easier to work with in the proof).
Doing this will prove that the surface of the earth MUST be curved in order for each reference of triangulation to be pointing at the same source. If the earth were flat, the triangulation wouldn't match up, as though each reference were pointing to a completely different point in the sky.
There are tons of proofs as to why the "flat earth model" can't exist. Not many proofs are presented as to why the earth is round. But the above-mentioned proof is one. And it's easily testable too without having to figure out how to launch a flat-earther into space to personally "witness" the curvature of the earth.
To take it a step further, FE/GE is notably Hegelian.
The earth could also be rounded or curved without being a sphere floating in space, with us occupying a smaller plane within a larger one, or an object that simply isn’t flat. There may be other options, too.
I’m not good enough at the equations to verify the math portions, myself. If the FE equations are off, it would certainly be a great point of attack for GE/NFE to go after, but I haven’t seen it in debates. Not clearly, at least.
That’s why I say I’ve seen debates lost, not one or the other proven or disproven, and that my interest in this race is in how people approach information, and not necessarily in which point is true.
They usually tie the two together, instead of just addressing the points made by one or the other
Yes also all the people believing in the simulator theory have the same attitude.
So why do you end up where you started if you fly one direction?
Why is it faster to fly against the rotation of the planet to reach the same destination?
Van Allen radiation belt. Has anybody ever crossed it?
You know how they say if we don't launch now, we can't launch for 8 more days or whatever, that's because they're tracking the layers of the Van Allen belt. They launch when they can send the shuttle through the thinnest part of the belt at the highest speed to reduce exposure. All of the electronics are hard sealed against the radiation the same way they protect things from EMPs.
The space station doesn't have to worry about this because they orbit between the belt and the earth.
Posts like this from mods are frustrating. Plenty of reasons to question the moon landings along with everything else. What the truth is I don’t know, but not a fan of mods making posts like this using name calling when they know that’s against the rules for the rest of us. Don’t make “be civil” a rule and then tempt your users to be uncivil simply by treating you in kind.
It's pure and unadulterated trolling of their own userbase about every other week. It always brings negativity and division.
You were just perma-banned.
Interesting comment considering WHAT A SHIT POST HISTORY YOU HAVE.
I think the mods here are great 99% of the time. Every once win a while they forget their own rules and what this place would turn into if we all started calling each other names on here rather than having respectful disagreements.
We were never on the moon. Stanley Kubrick was the awesome filmmaker who made us all think it was real. That's right I'm a "Moon hoax retard" I guess.
It turns out that it was an actor playing Kubrick in that "confession" interview. It was a hoax on top of a hoax.
You can't "go back" to a place you've never been.
Know what you can't go back to? YOUR LAST POST WHICH WAS THREE YEARS AGO
When we went to the moon, I was driving a '62 Chevy Biscayne Wagon with a 286 V8 and three on the tree. Sadly, this is now impossible because the technology has been lost.
INDIA WAS JUST ON THE MOON LAST MONTH YOU FUCKWIT
I still own and drive my 1962 Impala SS that I bought new in 1962 before I enlisted. It's a great car. And yeah, they don't make them like that. My other vehicle is a 2020 Ram 1500 and I've had more problems with it in three years than I've had with my Impala in 60.
It was on 8-track tapes ----- we have no way to play them now.
(I guess you could 3D print a tape player)
Never really thought about 3D printing as a way to bring back discontinued technology as nostalgia items...could be a fun business model.
I had a 61' Chevy Biscayne with a V6 and three on the tree - and bias ply tires....it had the great big tail fins......I paid $600 for it. Wish I still had that amazing piece of technology...
only lefties love name calling like retards..i thought right side are more respectful and encourage healthy debates
moon landing never happened
I’m not a retard. My brother had Down’s syndrome so I know what a retard is. He died of the jab last year, along with my father, after I could not convince him ABC was lying. 10 years ago I studied every conspiracy, spent months on the moon landing. I’m an electrical & mechanical engineer and I currently work as an expert witness in Australia. I’m a member of Mensa. IMO, no Apollo mission landed on the moon. The earth and moon are balls in space. Flat earth is a CIA psyop to make all of us seem like lunatics so any truth we post can be discredited. The moon emits X-rays from its surface due to higher energy radiation from the sun hitting it, since it has no atmosphere to protect it. There’s no engineering solution to that. Man has never been above low earth orbit. There is nothing on the moon, just dust. It’s solid, made of rock similar to earth. The mars, moon and ISS footage are all faked. Just more theft from the public by the cabal.
The moon landings are all highly suspect. Read or listen to Wagging the Moondoggie for more info
"Retards?"
Rude name calling is what they do.
The 1977 movie Capricorn One dramatizes a faked mission to Mars, and how they would cover all bases to keep both the workers and the public in the dark. Including erasing the existence of a controller who starts questioning the downlink data. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capricorn_One
wonder with all the DEI hires the door will fly off the capsule.....
Also lost were the company’s, and their technology, to make the components that were used to build the rockets and moon landing hardware. Much of it was fast tracked, ignoring things like drawing revisions and documentation of design changes that were done on the fly. No drawings, no parts. Tooling that was required to machine intricate parts lost or thrown away. Keep in mind, back then there was no CAD, parts were designed on drafting tables using slide rules. No pocket calculators. What didn’t get written down resided in men’s heads. When they were gone so was the capability.
I noticed you were down voted but what you said is an accurate description of how things were done "back in the day". I worked for 25 years as a quality management systems auditor. I saw the transition from paper to computers.
I lived it as an engineer. Started on the drafting board then moved to 2D cad, then 3D cad and then to solid modeling. ProEngineer and SolidWorks. I followed the space program starting as a kid. Most of the hardware used to get to the moon was the modern equivalent of one off prototypes. Machined on manual mills and lathes or at best numerical controlled machines using punch cards. People nowadays don’t have a clue how it was then. Rotary dial phones! It was the sixty’s.
I just went back and read some of the posts, a lot of really dumb people on here and proud of it. Very sad. The dumbing down of America.
https://centerforaninformedamerica.com/moondoggie/
Can’t confirm! My father was a rocket scientist, and worked for Rocketdyne, Rockwell International, and NASA. He was part of the team that sent the rocket to the Moon, he helped design the material that allows the shuttlecraft to return into our orbit without burning up. (he basically got an award for it. Of course, no money because the government owns the technology.)
My father was nothing short of a genius. I still have all of these notebooks that I found in his closet after he died seven years ago. The notebooks contain schematics and documentation for rocket engines on jobs that he worked on, especially divert engines. I will never get rid of these notebooks. 👏👏👏
Wow that's so cool, frog <3
I even have some little mini divert engine casings that they used in testing. I also have the end of a rocket engine, that I took to a highend metal recycling location in Los Angeles. The business was an entire block long. The guy brought out his little gun to point at the poece, and he couldn’t figure out what it was. He said it all his years, he never had a piece of metal brought him that he couldn’t figure out what it was.
As he scratched his head, I put it back in my trunk and told him to have a great day. I explain to him that my dad was a rocket scientist, and this must be something pretty special. I still have it today.
Its easy to see from the responses that we lost the competence-obsessed culture 😂
This. Well, we lost about 20+ users here. Holy shit. GAW shakes off its dead weight, and we do it ALL THE TIME.
SPOT ON!
Well, when I first heard the author of, "A Funny Thing Happened on the Way yo the Moon" on a podcast, I was pretty triggered, thinking, "No Way that they are lying about this, too." It took me a few months sorting through it all. It led to other subjects banned on this site, but Truth cannot be put back into the box of Lies. Once you see and understand, it is obvious. Like how no way you can go back and believe molecules-to-man evolution, once you see it isn't possible. So, if you are on the fence, keep digging until you find the truth.
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Part of the issue, is that Space Flight is considered SAFE.
Nobody working with NASA wants anyone to get hurt or die. But space flight is NOT a safe endeavor, politicians abuse NASA by flying unqualified people for political purposes. When something goes wrong - NASA is shut down for YEARS.
NASA is scared to take risks, this is why SpaceX is making such Herculean leaps. When Elon blows up Starships 1 and 2; he moves along with what he learned. NASA would still be doing a report on what happened during launch to cause the debris storm, let alone on the multiple engine shutdowns.
NASA is perhaps the most politically correct Gov't agency there is, because unlike the DoD, NASA is at the mercy of Congress for funding every year. You cannot fund a decades long program, with an annual budget that changes due to politics. You wind up spending MUCH more, and taking MUCH longer.
As one who spent 38 years in aerospace manufacturing, you are spot on. Boeing and NASA are scared of their shadows... Bloated middle-management too close to retirement hold everyone back because they don’t want failure in their final years. The “Right Stuff” peeps were gone by the 80’s...
Yea landing on the moon... The coming back will take weeks if not months. You will not get any speed at 1/6 of earth gravity. You will push that little rocket with limited fuel for a few hours maybe but will never reach the speed necessary to reach the earth. It's funny to read all your nonsense about how we get there.
Yea they lost people. Stanley Kubrick is dead. I doubt many are willing to use front screen projection to fake another.
If you haven't seen this yet, it's a must watch. I can't believe it's still up on utube
"A funny thing happens on the way to the moon"
https://youtu.be/bdQHKf48Mfw?si=hikEvpsmT_cWz8V4
Last I was aware. The official claim was that there were a lot of last minute adjustments, modifications, calculations etc. In some cases quite literally done on NASA Breakroom napkins. That have been lost.
And the people who did them. Have been lost to retirement, death, and assorted illnesses affecting the mind. Leaving them with no institutional knowledge left. Meaning they’re starting over from square 1. Actually likely less than given the quality of education now….
As far as Theories I’ve heard for why we haven’t gone back that aren’t related to the Apollo Missions being faked. Or the earth being flat.
We did actually land on the moon. Just not with the technology they said we had available to us. And wanting to protect American Scientific/Military secrets. They constructed what we currently “know” and seeded it with deliberate disinformation.
We actually did land. But we had no ability to transmit the footage. Nor bring back anywhere near the amount of equipment they said we did. So they faked the footage and most of the “Official” equipment on public display for the Propaganda Win.
Another theory is that the last manned mission. Discovered the remains of a Soviet Cosmonaut expedition that had been torn apart. And the NASA crew after withdrawing to their capsule for emergency lift off. Reported unknown shadows and shape’s moving around outside before they lifted off. So the NASA and the Military banned further expeditions and took steps to sabotage, Destroy and edit Missions Documents as well as spreading disinformation to discourage any further returns until we know what we’re facing up there.
We cut a secret deal with the Soviets to avoid a War on Earth. As the Soviets would be paranoid about “Capitalist Military Moon Bases”
We were explicitly warned away from the Moon and told it’s not a natural Solar body at all. But a Prison. With a Similar Entity. Though dramatically less powerful one imprisoned at Tsarichina in Bulgaria. (Look up Operation Sunray)
(This theory was surprisingly elaborate and would actually make for a pretty good story. ) But the gist is. Humanity is far, far, far older and more technologically advanced than we are willing to admit. (Ala the Forerunners/Precursors from Halo for a close example.) We were supposed to be the pinnacle of physical creation and shepherds there to create and seed life under the watchful eyes of the almighty. And due to a mix of our own hubris. Abusing aforementioned technology, Delusions of Grandeur, Corruption by fallen Angels, Divine intervention by God to humble us and remind us he is ultimately in charge. And influence of Elites seeking to obtain power. We were forcibly and steadily devolved down the technological ladder. Back to tribal/Hunter gatherer days. With numerous disasters and other events wiping any trace of this past from Archeological and Historical records.
And we’ll be granted full access to the Moon. Which is secretly an ark/time capsule full of our forgotten history and technology. When God decides we are ready to be re-entrusted with it.
And the Apollo Missions were allowed there to tell us that it is there. And the last departed with a warning from Angels posted to guard the Ark that no further Manned Missions would be allowed to succeed until God decided it was time to start giving us our proverbial toys back. (Honestly sounds like an interesting premise for a story. And I kinda want to know how/who the theory originated with).
This is the scenario I lean towards now. With "the eyes of the world watching" that summer, what would have happened if, say, the LEM couldn't lift off from the moon? They had no way of knowing if that would happen or not and I just can't picture them leaving that possibility to chance. The whole world would have to know that 2 men were left to die on the moon and there was nothing anyone could do to save them. The deaths of the Apollo 1 astronauts on the pad had been jarring enough.
Best just to have someone knock up some good footage/effects for the plebes to watch on TV where everything ends well, just as it was supposed to. If anything had happened to the actual astronauts, it would have given them time to bring out a plausible cover story, like "They died on re-entry" or "We didn't get to the capsule in time and they drowned in the ocean".
What are you even talking about?
NASA has a large vacuum chamber in Houston that they tested the LEM with. They evacuated all the air out, and even used a pulley system with the right amount of "lift" to simulate the moon's gravity.
You are too stupid to live. Your post history is non-existent. You contribute nothing. You are now being moved to the nosebleeds where you belong.
Where’s all the black and brown? Oh yah, on the street corner dealing meth.
Chuck Grissom had a lemon hung outside the Apollo 1 capsule right before he died in the fire, which some claim was suspicious. He was going to give a scathing interview of what he thought of the incompetence of the Apollo program. He would disagree with the calibre of people there. He said that many were incompetent. Know who else said they were incompetent? The man in charge of safety and quality control for North American Aviation, the main contractor for the Apollo command module, Thomas Baron, was killed in a car wreck with a train a week after his testimony saying there was widespread incompetence in the Apollo program. Astronaut James Irwin was scheduled to talk to Bill Kaysing on Friday, but died of a heart attack Thursday. Bill Kaysing who wrote the book that kicked off the whole subject worked as a technical writer with Rocketdyne Corporation and documented tests of many rockets that were designed for ICBM missiles. He was not impressed, it seemed a lot like Elon's rockets to nowhere.
But the fact that they "lost" all the footage to most iconic technological achievement in human history. The moon landings stopped when Vietnam stopped. Think about it. As far as the calibre of men at NASA, lots of guys who were actually there would totally disagree with this assessment.
Lets see... The Moon is 1.27 Light Seconds from Earth and we went there 55 years ago. Wow! At the pace we are going we will land on Mars (Another useless chunk of rock) in another 1,000 years or so.
It'll be 2040 and yeah, Mars is a useless chunk of rock. We're going there for literally no reason. There's nothing at the poles, no water, just frozen CO2.
Want to see Mars for what it is?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRV1e5_tB6Y&list=PLwOAYhBuU3UfvhvcT1lZA6KbSdh0K2EpH&index=3&pp=iAQB
Elon Musk in love with going to Mars. I suspect he feels a Mars Colony increases our chance of surviving the next big extinction event.
The fake alien mall invasion was entertaining. Can't wait for their next Blue Beam event.
We didn't return to the Moon because the "hippie culture" being promoted by the MSM was strongly against spending public money on anything but envronmentalism and handouts to the "inner city."
I watched this happen, and it pissed me off to no end.
Wrong. No, it's because there was no economic impetus to go to the moon, the "triumph" over the USSR had paid off and there was no reason to go to the moon anymore, then Skylab took over and they focused on LEO so they could "still be seen to be doing something" while all the space programs went black budget into the military.
No offense but crack a book
Not enough slide rules, that's the problem.
I swear we get raided by Conspiracies every time this subject comes up.
Never once do people consider that they've been lied to.
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I absolutely question and doubt everything every government agency says at all times. Even on the rare occasion they tell some truth, it is still wrapped in a lie.
How can someone downvote you for this comment on GAW, the very place we ask questions. Must be a lost blind one
I was banned for 7 days by OP for posting that "You either believe NASA or the Bible" - pretty innocuous statement if you have zero trust in government agencies.
OP posts these bait posts, and then bans people who chime in. He doesnt like us discussing the moon landing hoax, yet he brings it up all the time.
Some people just cant believe that they are stupid enough to be fooled
Agreed - like a honeypot for those that can see beyond the narrative - to screw with them.
ironically NASA bans Jesus..
My cousin was an engineer at NASA in the 70s, he was a very religious man and very open about it, and he had zero issues there. His son worked as engineer there also and would often openly display his crucifix with zero issues and talk openly about Jesus.
If NASA did ban Jesus, no one told the people that worked there.
More recent development. https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/nasa-bans-the-word-jesus
He probably didn't have any issues because it was the 70s.
Because there are trolls and glowies and others here who haven’t yet learned or want to discourage free thought - except when someone is successfully convincing others of the Truth, at which point we need to consider other options!
He likes utilizing "retards" and "retardation"
Don't take it personally.
I love shrooms so I didn't downvote
I have an idea who downvotes me after being here long enough.
And the moon itself
down the slippery slope of doubt for doubt's sake !!!
There was a story one of the astronauts allegedly told; when they went to the moon he said there were all kinds of spaceships parked on the rims of the craters along with many tall ETs 'manning the rails' of the craters. Allegedly they were told not to come back. Does anyone else remember this story from the 80's? When I search it online I find "fact check" articles saying Buzz Aldren never said this and I am not finding the original articles about it. I distinctly remember a local radio host talking about it, this would have been the late 80's or early 90's.
Was it possibly a Coast to Coast AM episode? If I the 80s or 90s that would have been Art Bell in the wee hours of the night
They were Tesla spaceships recharging their batteries - it takes awhile you know!
It was probably Art Bell...
I believe it had something to do with amateur radio autists found the channel or the secret channel and heard him say it.
The Antartica stories involving him were interesting
Possibly elohem
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More currently, are the probes that have landed on Mars and brought back pics from Saturn and Jupiter fake, too?
Is Musk's ambition to put humans on Mars just another setup?
Edit:
LMFAO! Waiting for answers to my very legitimate questions!
Yes, NASA is all CGI at this point. It's all fake.
LMFAO
No, it's not.
You've left out Space X. Is that all CGI, too?
For people absolutely loving Musk, they forget that he's part of the whole Mars Space Race and putting computer chips in people's heads thing.
And the useless electric cars that run people over, run out of power when it's cold, and burst into flames, needing a reservoir full of water to put them out.
Nice leapfrog of issues, from Space X launches into 'Loving Musk'
lol
lol seriously?
Not a single shred of debunk in your rambling nonsense.
I count 5 questions in his "rambling nonsense". Questions! What's wrong with questions?