I "pay" for it by not having to interact with someone when I'm not in the mood to, and I get to pack my groceries in my reusable bags the way I want it, which is often much more efficient and sturdy than the worker would do. I don't mind scanning my groceries myself when I get the benefits I listed above, and I much more prefer self checkout and them letting me do what I want.
I do. I have to admit I like the self-checkout too. And for the same reasons. I can see that each thing scans right, I can use my own bags & pack it the way I want it so that icecream isn't bagged with laundry detergent, and I can scan my own coupons. AND I don't have to make nice with someone and I can keep listening to the X22 report in my ears, lol
Come on man. Convenience is a services a good business provides. Technology is a good thing and if Trump were in office, like before, we'd have a surplus of jobs.
We need to start producing chips/semi-conductors if we want to win in this world. More foundries! More tech!
I wish we could go back to horses. Ever talk to an old timer, they had self driving back then long before Elon Musk was born. There's something to "The horse knows the way to carry the sleigh" Going back home was always easy I understand, you could literally sleep on the way back. Horses always know their way home. It would be awfullt nice to get back to that and you know, if they try to pull of this rest bs we may have to ;)
Living independently is winning, whether it's moving out as a young adult 18-22, or making everything we could ever need as a society by ourselves. If we could make everything here, and prices don't get affected by world events, then that's winning as far as I'm concerned.
Clearly you haven't had to check-out, and bag an entire shopping cart full of groceries. Instead of being the customer, with a checkout person and bagger, you're doing it all yourself, and waiting for everyone else along the way.
I actually prefer self-checkout at these larger stores for a variety of reasons.
The real issue, as you say the ‘human equation’ within these larger stores is not really about where in the process is most useful. The entire system itself is set up as one massive logistics chain, it’s essentially a factory.
Smaller stores, niche, specialty shops… that’s where the human equation would be, where the ‘employee’ is pretty much the owner or have ‘skin in the game’ if you will.
Otherwise, that cashier at the Walmart or Whole Foods whatever… easily replaceable. Any day, anytime.
I think about this stuff quite often, sort of as a way to ‘game theory’ this stuff out.
Ultimately, I think, it comes down to the person — let’s call him Chuck in this scenario…
Making a whole lot of compromises; and/or
Does not have the will to shift perspective or build a stronger foundation.
The point is this person, does not need to work at the Walmart, or that massive Amazon warehouse. But, they choose to .. because XYZ (better wages, insurance/benefits, etc.) - at face value, they are all great and sound reasons.
Chuck has a family, and wants to ensure they are all fed, etc.
All sound reasons, but there is one element that is missing - Chuck is plugged into the system. He believes this is THE way to make a living and care for his family.
I wonder where Chuck got the idea that this is how it’s meant to be :)
Whenever someone wants to get out of ‘The Matrix’, this person will find a way, God’s open doors will be so bright and visible, etc. It’s like opportunity just lays itself onto your feet, etc.
I am with you there. I use small/local businesses every time unless there is no other option. I wish I could start a business and I could, but the current state of things scares me off.
Self-checkout seems innocuous but it is not a good thing for two main reasons:
It takes jobs from away from people who need them
It further erodes the human-to-human interaction of the marketplace which fosters basic trust in your fellow man...this is further evidenced by how walmarts increase of self checkouts has been coupled with checking your reciepts as you walk out.
Businesses are not charities. Oregon banning people from pumping their own gas as a way to create minimum wage jobs is just a racket, which ultimately increases the cost of the goods to the consumer because the gas station is forced to hire people for an unnecessary job and then they have to pay them wages... utter lunacy.
Those who need jobs can find jobs that serve some kind of actual purpose that will help them develop in a meaningful way. Cashiering is a great introduction to the labor experience, but should not be a lifelong career path, or at least not for most people. That just turns people into mindless zombies slaving away doing meanial tasks that benefits nobody.
Never said a cashier position should be a lifelong job, but its still an improtant stepping stone for high school and college aged people that is being reduced by self checkout. Pumping gas isnt really a comparison because the person to person interaction was never really there in the first place. The idea of a grocery store originates with the marketplace where you interact with other humans when buying and comparing products. Self checkout erodes that important part of marketplace participation. Anything that makes us interact less, trust each other less and keep us isolated more is a bad thing for us both for the individual and the community
Modern grocery stores aren't marketplaces. The quicker and efficiently a person can get their groceries, the cheaper the costs, and the more free time available for leisure to spend socially interacting.
Again i didnt say they were just like the marketplaces of the past but they still have echoes of those places such as when you head to the meat counter and speak with the butcher about a particular cut or the baker for a certain cake. The cashier is also a part of these human to human interactions that you may not think much of in the moment but that help foster basic trust and friendliness among men. The more we do away with human to human interaction in the public sphere the more we isolate and dont trust anyone outside our circle or trust only ourselves. These changes are incremental but are visible (as i mentioned now Walmart stops you on your way out to check your receipt) but over time it builds and builds the less interaction overall we have with others. As someone once said “You may not have noticed, but your brain did.”
Great customer service is a true value to a a store/company. It gets repeat customers. Bad customer service gets you one and done, and poor word of mouth reviews.
self checkout is them getting ready for needing less employees because of depopulation and eliminating jobs, also if you're using self checkout, you're at a big-box store, big-box stores feed the globo.
It's not just you, they have been driving small businesses out of business for years. I buy from a big box store too when it comes to groceries and hardware.
I'm not trying to preach, I'm making changes wherever I can, trying to source materials and tools second hand and buying vegetables from people who grow in the summer and trying to learn to grow some of my own.
The only way out is to help create an alternative economy. I think that economy is already thriving, it's just waiting for people to understand the reason for it.
Catherine Austin-Fitts advocates using cash only on Fridays. I think it's a good idea. Of course you can use it any other time of the week too, if you want to.
Wait how do you stop the banks from getting 3% of your money for doing nothing? I've gone full cash and crypto since 2021 started and my fucking bank takes 12$ from me every month I don't have at least a 500$ balance in my account!
Not all banks and credit unions are the same - so do your homework. The one I use has no account minimums for the basic savings account. I also have two separate checking accounts. No monthly fee.
Ditch banks and credit unions. Once you do that, you'll realize they've created a system that FORCES YOU to use some kind of FDIC insured institution. Any crypto exchange where you can trade fiat for crypto will absolutely require a bank account. Paying certain bills will only allow payments by ACH. Not even a debit card.
So... I opened an account with 'Current'. Works like a regular checking account and there are no maintenance fees for the basic account. No brick and mortar locations but they have all the features of a regular checking account. With this, I'm able to keep most of my value in crypto while transferring fiat as needed. In addition, you could also utilize coinbase's debit card which gives you several spending options with up to 4% back in crypto. Use wawa ATMs for free cash withdrawals for your Current account.
Credit unions suck too. They're all the same. Massive overhead and useless brick and mortar locations.
If you use CoinBase (🙄) transfer your crypto for FREE over to CoinBase Pro. More professional charts and fees are much cheaper (or they were)? Less Exchange to Bank transfer issues for some reason too.
CoinBase doesn’t advertise it for obvious reasons. They’re taking advantage of new people imo. I stopped using them long ago cuz there’s better alternatives.
I've considered it a few times but I just don't do enough converting. I just do my regular trading in usdc on coinex and transfer over profits or whatever to coinbase to spend like cash. Coinbase is just too convenient to stop using entirely. I don't see that as bad though. It's simplicity can bring more folks into the game which would be a good thing.
I'm aware of several other platforms that offer debit features so I could use them too. I just don't yet.
Yeah Crypto.com has a debit card 👍🏽 I do the same as you but instead of CoinBase I use Binance.US to convert USDT to fiat & back to bank. I do all my trading on KUCoin tho & just send USDT to & from Binance.US.
Um, you just said if you have 500 in the account they don't charge you. So, yes there is something you can do about it. Face it, banks aren't open for your convenience.
Cash or Cashier checks. What little convenience you may derive today is NOT worth your FREEDOM tomorrow.
"In GOD we trust, all else leave GOLD on the barrel head"
Of course ‘Big Gov’ will market CBDC’s (this is what the thread is about really) as some form of ‘safe and equitable’ money, the typical bullshit platitudes / virtue signaling bullshit all the Libtards gobble up like a turkey happily basting itself with marinade.
I fear CBDCs will happen, but the saving grace that I think the US have is the power of the individual States.
Your USD in the bank is already a form of digital currency - the fact is you don’t own that account, and it can be seized any time. Any form of digital USD within the Fed wire system is already traceable and directly connected to you.
Maybe, and this is a big big Maybe, if CBDCs start to roll out, maybe a year or a decade from now, we would need some form of equilibrium for local trade.
Barter/Trade is not illegal today … until the IRS assholes want their cut (if you don’t declare).
That is truly creepy. NOT the American way...I prefer smaller government....obviously....don't tell me how to spend my money, what to put in my body, what to think.WHO HAS COME UP WITH THIS SCHEME TO TAKE MORE POWER? No put things back.
Hmmm. Our records show that your Social Credit Score dropped 20 points over the last week. Until you get that back up we are going to have to reduce your buying power to raw foods only, and you'll have to pay an extra 20% for those goods. We'll check back again in a month to verify your SCC has gone back to an acceptable number.
This may be a good time to learn an important skill that provides a product or service in high demand. I am all for keeping cash alive.
However, if SHTF and banks are shut down, power shut down, internet shut down, gas disappears, etc we will need to resort to BARTERING.
The best way to barter is to offer something in high demand. If you start with essential, life providing skills, at the very least you can take care of yourself and your family.
For example, learn to:
garden
hunt
fish
can and bottle
store product to avoid spoiling
sew, including with an awl
camp
ride horses
raise livestock
be a carpenter
build shelters
make clothing
make shoes
quilt/yarn, etc
There are many more techniques. These are life skills. Even if you start them as a hobby this year, these could prove to be essential in life if SHTF. If you are good at them, you can barter for the things you need.
If you are good at them, you can sell them for cash in the meantime.
I think it is essential that we get back to MADE IN AMERICA anyways, so we may as well start with the essentials. I would much rather buy products with cash that are made locally than buy cheap sh*t from China or elsewhere.
I just knew those foxfire books would be valuable someday.
So much knowledge has been forgotten, and the flame of self-sufficiency has waned in our society. Past time for a revival, in body mind and spirit. At 60 it will be a challenge, but hey, I'm not near as dumb, impulsive, are distracted as I was in my youth. Happy trails, Cowboy
I looooove bartering!! I inherited a bunch of sewing notions from my husbands Grama, buttons, thread, zippers and lots more!! I’m keeping the whole box saved away somewhere safe, just in case I need to do some mending or trading with someone who’s interested (:
I have been ringing this bell for years: If/when SHTF, people are going to realize how important quality when it comes to clothing and shoes. Seamstresses (especially ones who can work with denim) and cobblers are going to find themselves in demand again when things begin to flip around and we start building back up.
I fear it will most likely happen, what we need to do is to ensure how it’s implemented and how do we balance this out?
For example — a cashless society means all forms of Payments will require some digital terminal (e.g. phone).
It doesn’t mean you can’t trade using other forms of ‘agreed upon’ asset between two parties. You could do the barter things, trade time, gold, crypto, etc.
The issue, I think, is land .. Gov has you by the balls, you don’t really own your land.
Our "cash" is a fucking scam that has lost 99% of it's value since the Federal Reserve was established. They don't need a cashless society to enslave you, you're already their tax livestock. That you can spend cash under the table and squirrel it away are good things, but neither are safeguards against inflation robbing it of all value.
We need a currency that isn't controlled by anyone and that can't be inflated. Until that day, the central bankers will rule the world.
"a currency that isn't controlled by anyone and that can't be inflated"
That doesn't exist. Even gold & silver can be inflated (debased). Need strong laws, and EXECUTIONS for violating them. In fact, current laws would work - if anyone cared to enforce them.
There are many cryptocurrencies that fit that bill. E.g. 21 million is the most Bitcoin that will ever exist and nobody can increase the supply to inflate it. Harsher laws will just be ignored as easily as current ones, assuming they'd even pass such laws in the first place. That ship has sailed anyway. The dollar is already completely debased and falling by the day.
I agree with this post. To all the people who are all for crypto and digital currency, you will only have money if those in control of the internet and power grid are ok with it.
Time to learn a trade or find a way to make a product independently.
If the internet and power goes down, we're all fucked either way. People won't be able to access their fiat in banks either. Debit and Credit cards will go down. If the internet goes down, it's be a total economic collapse for everyone. It's too essential to everything now.
If you think hoarding gold and silver are your ticket through the apocalypse, I suggest you watch Mark Dice's man on the street videos where he tries to exchange gold and silver with people.
Point being, in a SHTF situation where you will need to rely on trade and barter with strangers, you are better off stockpiling ammo, food, meds, and toiletries. The average person has no idea how much gold/silver are worth and that's with the internet in their pockets.
Short of a literal apocalypse, crypto is a 100% viable alternative to fiat and one that cuts the central banks and governments out of the picture. We can't afford not to adopt it, or we're all going down with the inflation ship together.
Just like the government, find a way to track us in every transaction. Next the electric vehicle that they can shut down at any time and keep us from traveling to and from (wherever that may be). We need these people out of our lives and not controlling them.
Those who are looking to hide from domestic abuse partners can easily be found by the corrupt who are paid to do so by the abuser. It means taxes on everything, even if you do odd jobs. That means restaurant servers can have parts of their tips confiscated by restaurants who take a cut, because they don’t charge their customers enough already! (A Chinese restaurant we used to go to does that, so we gave the waitresses cash tips.) In addition you’re ability to purchase, travel, etc. can be shut down by wrong think or speech. If there is a computer cyber attack, you are stranded because no processing can be done-you are at a restaurant and your digital pay is declined, you try checking into a hotel, your digital pay is declined, you try to buy gas or an airline ticket and your digital pay is declined. It will be a nightmare for the consumer, no big deal to big brother. They will try to sell it as a “convenience” to you, and “less chance of theft”, no wallet/purse to carry which could be stolen-safe, secure until it isn’t.
they already have the ability to STOP electronically all vehicles....they want the ability to KNOW every single thing you buy... NEXT they'll tell you where you can drive, how far, and then will tell you what food you can buy and how much.....a little too overweight?.....no potatoes for you......I can envision them setting up computer programs to restrict everything...
Some other items to consider are the people who operate completely in cash.
There is a whole population of people who either do not have a SSN (either refusing to be in the system or people who cannot get a SSN (illegal entry)).
One of the big reasons for a cashless society is for the bankers to get their hands on this large part of the population.
The cash only community have operated in anonymity but bankers know it exists, and they want their hands on EVERY PENNY.
Also, how can they count their slaves if part of the population in the US, is shielded from their view because they use cash?
This is the most important reason, and why they’re trying to implement it right now. As we are seeing across the globe they’re shutting down and canceling people for wrong thought. We cannot let this happen! I pray it’s still not too late.
No tuck-away cash for beaten wives who want to leave.
Why not? You could memorize a wallet seed and address and have all your hiding money sent there.
Also, seriously how many situations are like this? This is like having male, female and unisex bathrooms for the 1% of trans people out there.
No more purchases of marketplace
Why not? You think they'll be able to charge all those people with fraud?
No more garage sales
Why not? I've seen people using Stripe credit card attachements on their phone at garage sales
No more donations to homeless and homeless you pass.
Why not? They could have a QR code I could hit with my camera. They'd probably get more money because people wouldn't have to stop and dig for change.
No more cash slipped in to the hands to a kid
Why not? Also, there's grandparents who can afford to do this? I mean I got money in a card for birthdays but it was no secret. Is this a situation like the beaten wife/oh won't somebody please think of the children?
"In GOD we trust, all else leave GOLD on the barrel head"
What little convenience you may derive today is NOT worth the FREEDOM you will lose tomorrow.
The only way to win this game is to REFUSE to play.
When they made a run on the banks in Canada, it scared the shit out of them.
Loud Clear and in Unambiguous terms, !!!"WE DO NOT CONSENT, WE WILL NOT COMPLY"!!!
I've been a cash only Barber for ten years and only have a bank account and deposit what I need to pay bills. Most of my liquid $ is in physical gold, silver & cash in a safe next to my AR-15. They can suck it with all this cashless shit. Come and take it faggots.
Some of the items in the list that a cashless society is claimed to end you can already do cashless using apps such as CashApp, Venmo, or even PayPal. For example: garage sales. In addition, in a cashless society, I'm pretty sure they will allow children to have account to ensure they are enslaved to the system early. I suspect they can already get some of the existing ones depending on age such as Venmo.
However, you may chose not to participate in those activities for risk of the government getting curious as to why you are involved in so many private transactions if you have a garage sale for example (they may suspect you've started dealing drugs or laundering money). Also, given how the government is trying to stamp out small businesses, they may very well ban or limit private person to person transactions to ensure no one is ever able to start or run a small business again. In a cashless society, the government can do a lot of messed up things. And seeing what they have been doing lately (and probably longer that but it has become more obvious lately), not a power you ever want to give these psychopaths.
In a cashless society, governments can impose lockdowns by simply limited your ability to spend your own money outside a specific radius of your home of record.
In a cashless society, governments can impose rationing and price controls.
In a cashless society, governments can program money to expire. Forget about saving for the future.
In a cashless society, you will be fined immediately for every infraction on the spot. These infractions will grow and grow until you won't even be able to say curse words without having to put money in the swear jar. See Demolition Man.
In a cashless society, you will be a slave.
and even with all this, it is far worse than you can imagine.
Interesting part about garage sales - I’ve sold things on craigslist and through random classifieds for years. Now places like Facebook marketplace are asking for your SS # so they can report your earnings to the IRS. I suspect it’s not for a small time people like me who just sell here and there when they need to, but there’s a whole crop of businesses that have started started trying to make a profit on there. The government doesn’t like competition, or the thought of people avoiding taxes. I also heard Venmo is reporting the earnings that you make as well. There’s really no way around it, we have to keep using Cash to maintain our freedom.
u/Truth4Freedom Am I imagining things or is this another way to tax us? If I sell things that I already bought with money that was taxed as income. Then I should not pay tax again on that money "earned" for selling items.
Any advice for a beginner to learn about this crypto currency. A simple explanation would be great. Videos, websites...
Agreed, it's definitely just another way to tax us. As if we dont already pay enough!
Good questions about crypto! That is not my area of expertise, but I know several anons on this platform can give you some advice on where to start with it. From a personal opinion (without too much knowledge on the subject), I have reservations about crypto since it seems very volatile and going fully digital either with cypto or a digital dollar seems to end up the same way - with a few people controlling / holding most of the wealth.
Thank you for answering. I have seen a lot of posts recently about the crypto and digital currency. I just need to do a search for descriptions of how it works. It just sounds like a bad idea for everything to go that direction. I hadn't read enough to make an informed decision.
Who said anything about cashless? Even bitcoin would have coins and paper.
I just want the blockchain to protect the crypto and keeping out of Central theif control. You should be able to convert your Bitcoin to a paper bill or metal coin. When the paper goes back it the wallet its canceled. Date and time stamp on it. Scann3d back in by your phone. When ubwant cash you print it out. Blockchain is private.
A cashless society will occur after the gold, silver, platinum backed transition currency is released and people have grown exponentially spiritually 💕
No banks, no interest charges and no taxes, no child trafficking, no drug traficking, no money laundering.
So wrong on banks having control.
We will have control of our money.
Banks will have no power.
QFS
In this version of the world, who would lend money for houses or cars? Why would they give you tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars to be tied up for years to decades, when in the end all they're getting back is the money they had in the first place. Would the government manage that instead of the banks? I'm guessing not... I hate interest as much as the next person, but As long as we live in capitalism, people will do things to make money, and one way is to loan your money and get interest in return for fronting the entire cost of something. Otherwise, no one and no entity would just give away their money for no gain whatsoever. It you don't like that, then that's a problem with capitalism. Cuz even if banks didn't exist, then you'd just have rich people loan out money for interest and make their money work. But then they'd spin up a business to manage such things, and you're essentially right back to having banks.
Well the system we have now can fuck us. Look at people who gave to truckers, look how SWIFT can shut off for Russia. The fact that the dollar is based on oil not gold is bad. However switching to a decentrilized made in America been around for like 10 years and is plugged in to banks and could be gold backed would be great for international transfers and would be an even playing field in a sea of liquitiy.
I started getting cash out and using it for gas, groceries, etc. some places even give me a discount for using cash.
Plus the bank doesn’t get 3% of my money for doing nothing.
Do IT!
I love paying by cash at small shops and seeing them beam and offer a discount!
What's the issue with self checkout? I use it and use cash.
I agree. They've eliminated positions of employment and turned us into cashiers without paying us.
I "pay" for it by not having to interact with someone when I'm not in the mood to, and I get to pack my groceries in my reusable bags the way I want it, which is often much more efficient and sturdy than the worker would do. I don't mind scanning my groceries myself when I get the benefits I listed above, and I much more prefer self checkout and them letting me do what I want.
Do you bag an entire cart of groceries? Like $300 worth? Hard pass.
At the rate we're going $300 worth of groceries is going to cost $3,000 - and fit in a single bag.
I do. I have to admit I like the self-checkout too. And for the same reasons. I can see that each thing scans right, I can use my own bags & pack it the way I want it so that icecream isn't bagged with laundry detergent, and I can scan my own coupons. AND I don't have to make nice with someone and I can keep listening to the X22 report in my ears, lol
Good point.
The loss on self check out has got one large chain thinking about eliminating self checkout. People steal em blind.
That thought has crossed my mind too. How do they know if all items were rung up?
Dont buy cars! Keep horse trading alive! LOL
Come on man. Convenience is a services a good business provides. Technology is a good thing and if Trump were in office, like before, we'd have a surplus of jobs.
We need to start producing chips/semi-conductors if we want to win in this world. More foundries! More tech!
I wish we could go back to horses. Ever talk to an old timer, they had self driving back then long before Elon Musk was born. There's something to "The horse knows the way to carry the sleigh" Going back home was always easy I understand, you could literally sleep on the way back. Horses always know their way home. It would be awfullt nice to get back to that and you know, if they try to pull of this rest bs we may have to ;)
You know, you are free to do just that. The Amish do it it all the time.
Horses, baked beans, and campfires, just like this?
Like the pede said below, you can do just that fren.
It’s not as romantic as people think it is, but it does have it’s charms for sure.
Slightly dirty, but VERY funny song. NSFW. Horse Outside by The Rubberbandits (Grocery bags on their heads. Can't afford car/insurance.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljPFZrRD3J8
If people had horses and a 2-way street relationship with those animals maybe they would learn some respect and honor.
Horses ground me. Dogs ground me. If you treat them with respect they are fiercely generous with everything they are.
Life is about living, not winning.
Winning is living. Who wants to lose all the time?
I love your mentality, you are right.
Living independently is winning, whether it's moving out as a young adult 18-22, or making everything we could ever need as a society by ourselves. If we could make everything here, and prices don't get affected by world events, then that's winning as far as I'm concerned.
Clearly you haven't had to check-out, and bag an entire shopping cart full of groceries. Instead of being the customer, with a checkout person and bagger, you're doing it all yourself, and waiting for everyone else along the way.
I don’t think some pedes here understand what it takes to post a comment here on this board. 😂
Producing chips: Yes!
I actually prefer self-checkout at these larger stores for a variety of reasons.
The real issue, as you say the ‘human equation’ within these larger stores is not really about where in the process is most useful. The entire system itself is set up as one massive logistics chain, it’s essentially a factory.
Smaller stores, niche, specialty shops… that’s where the human equation would be, where the ‘employee’ is pretty much the owner or have ‘skin in the game’ if you will.
Otherwise, that cashier at the Walmart or Whole Foods whatever… easily replaceable. Any day, anytime.
I think about this stuff quite often, sort of as a way to ‘game theory’ this stuff out.
Ultimately, I think, it comes down to the person — let’s call him Chuck in this scenario…
The point is this person, does not need to work at the Walmart, or that massive Amazon warehouse. But, they choose to .. because XYZ (better wages, insurance/benefits, etc.) - at face value, they are all great and sound reasons.
Chuck has a family, and wants to ensure they are all fed, etc.
All sound reasons, but there is one element that is missing - Chuck is plugged into the system. He believes this is THE way to make a living and care for his family.
I wonder where Chuck got the idea that this is how it’s meant to be :)
Whenever someone wants to get out of ‘The Matrix’, this person will find a way, God’s open doors will be so bright and visible, etc. It’s like opportunity just lays itself onto your feet, etc.
I am with you there. I use small/local businesses every time unless there is no other option. I wish I could start a business and I could, but the current state of things scares me off.
You'd probably be better off with your own business, depending where you are.
I use bank tellers and they always tell me I can use the atm. I tell them then they wouldnt have a job. The looks on their face is priceless.
Self-checkout seems innocuous but it is not a good thing for two main reasons:
It takes jobs from away from people who need them
It further erodes the human-to-human interaction of the marketplace which fosters basic trust in your fellow man...this is further evidenced by how walmarts increase of self checkouts has been coupled with checking your reciepts as you walk out.
The lines at self checkout move quick because you don't have to funnel everyone through a handful of open checkout lanes.
Businesses are not charities. Oregon banning people from pumping their own gas as a way to create minimum wage jobs is just a racket, which ultimately increases the cost of the goods to the consumer because the gas station is forced to hire people for an unnecessary job and then they have to pay them wages... utter lunacy.
Those who need jobs can find jobs that serve some kind of actual purpose that will help them develop in a meaningful way. Cashiering is a great introduction to the labor experience, but should not be a lifelong career path, or at least not for most people. That just turns people into mindless zombies slaving away doing meanial tasks that benefits nobody.
Never said a cashier position should be a lifelong job, but its still an improtant stepping stone for high school and college aged people that is being reduced by self checkout. Pumping gas isnt really a comparison because the person to person interaction was never really there in the first place. The idea of a grocery store originates with the marketplace where you interact with other humans when buying and comparing products. Self checkout erodes that important part of marketplace participation. Anything that makes us interact less, trust each other less and keep us isolated more is a bad thing for us both for the individual and the community
Modern grocery stores aren't marketplaces. The quicker and efficiently a person can get their groceries, the cheaper the costs, and the more free time available for leisure to spend socially interacting.
Again i didnt say they were just like the marketplaces of the past but they still have echoes of those places such as when you head to the meat counter and speak with the butcher about a particular cut or the baker for a certain cake. The cashier is also a part of these human to human interactions that you may not think much of in the moment but that help foster basic trust and friendliness among men. The more we do away with human to human interaction in the public sphere the more we isolate and dont trust anyone outside our circle or trust only ourselves. These changes are incremental but are visible (as i mentioned now Walmart stops you on your way out to check your receipt) but over time it builds and builds the less interaction overall we have with others. As someone once said “You may not have noticed, but your brain did.”
Great customer service is a true value to a a store/company. It gets repeat customers. Bad customer service gets you one and done, and poor word of mouth reviews.
self checkout is them getting ready for needing less employees because of depopulation and eliminating jobs, also if you're using self checkout, you're at a big-box store, big-box stores feed the globo.
Well... no small grocery stores where I am. I would gladly use them if available.
Don't say Trader Joes or I will puke. The stench of self importance and leftism is too great there.
It's not just you, they have been driving small businesses out of business for years. I buy from a big box store too when it comes to groceries and hardware. I'm not trying to preach, I'm making changes wherever I can, trying to source materials and tools second hand and buying vegetables from people who grow in the summer and trying to learn to grow some of my own. The only way out is to help create an alternative economy. I think that economy is already thriving, it's just waiting for people to understand the reason for it.
Self check out has my face on a screen...why?
Yeah I agree, no more of that.
Better yet , they don’t get to loan out your money at a rate of $10 for every dollar you have in the bank !
not to mention "maintenance fees" and fees for not maintaining X balance
That's huge, no more crypto gets produced it only divides.
Make that $99 for every dollar. Only require 1% reserve anymore....
Catherine Austin-Fitts advocates using cash only on Fridays. I think it's a good idea. Of course you can use it any other time of the week too, if you want to.
Wait how do you stop the banks from getting 3% of your money for doing nothing? I've gone full cash and crypto since 2021 started and my fucking bank takes 12$ from me every month I don't have at least a 500$ balance in my account!
And there's nothing I can do about it!
Switch to a credit union.
They won't charge me that minimum balance fee?
Not all banks and credit unions are the same - so do your homework. The one I use has no account minimums for the basic savings account. I also have two separate checking accounts. No monthly fee.
NAVY FEDERAL
One I was in years ago required a minimum kept in, as a share, that wasn't available for withdrawal unless I closed out, but it was a tiny amount.
Give me some names, lad!
Mine doesn't.
Which bank is that? I need to switch.
Are there many requirements?
Ditch banks and credit unions. Once you do that, you'll realize they've created a system that FORCES YOU to use some kind of FDIC insured institution. Any crypto exchange where you can trade fiat for crypto will absolutely require a bank account. Paying certain bills will only allow payments by ACH. Not even a debit card.
So... I opened an account with 'Current'. Works like a regular checking account and there are no maintenance fees for the basic account. No brick and mortar locations but they have all the features of a regular checking account. With this, I'm able to keep most of my value in crypto while transferring fiat as needed. In addition, you could also utilize coinbase's debit card which gives you several spending options with up to 4% back in crypto. Use wawa ATMs for free cash withdrawals for your Current account.
Credit unions suck too. They're all the same. Massive overhead and useless brick and mortar locations.
If you use CoinBase (🙄) transfer your crypto for FREE over to CoinBase Pro. More professional charts and fees are much cheaper (or they were)? Less Exchange to Bank transfer issues for some reason too.
Isn’t it insane that CBPro’s fees are magnitudes lower that’s Coinbase? But yet users still buy them Bitcoins on Coinbase.
CoinBase doesn’t advertise it for obvious reasons. They’re taking advantage of new people imo. I stopped using them long ago cuz there’s better alternatives.
Which platform do you use now?
I’m mainly on KUCoin but have played with other overseas exchanges. I use Binance.US as a middleman to my bank.
what's the qualifications to use Pro?
None, uses your same login and password.
https://pro.coinbase.com/
To view the fee schedule, go to ‘Orders’, then the Fees tab.
I've considered it a few times but I just don't do enough converting. I just do my regular trading in usdc on coinex and transfer over profits or whatever to coinbase to spend like cash. Coinbase is just too convenient to stop using entirely. I don't see that as bad though. It's simplicity can bring more folks into the game which would be a good thing.
I'm aware of several other platforms that offer debit features so I could use them too. I just don't yet.
Yeah Crypto.com has a debit card 👍🏽 I do the same as you but instead of CoinBase I use Binance.US to convert USDT to fiat & back to bank. I do all my trading on KUCoin tho & just send USDT to & from Binance.US.
Um, you just said if you have 500 in the account they don't charge you. So, yes there is something you can do about it. Face it, banks aren't open for your convenience.
Thank you captain obvious. That would defeat the whole purpose of me not wanting to keep all my eggs in one basket of which I don't have custody over.
Cash or Cashier checks. What little convenience you may derive today is NOT worth your FREEDOM tomorrow. "In GOD we trust, all else leave GOLD on the barrel head"
A Cashless society also means .gov can cut you off on a whim for something you said or do that they don’t like.
Use cash ppl .
That the whole point of a cashless society.
Of course ‘Big Gov’ will market CBDC’s (this is what the thread is about really) as some form of ‘safe and equitable’ money, the typical bullshit platitudes / virtue signaling bullshit all the Libtards gobble up like a turkey happily basting itself with marinade.
I fear CBDCs will happen, but the saving grace that I think the US have is the power of the individual States.
Your USD in the bank is already a form of digital currency - the fact is you don’t own that account, and it can be seized any time. Any form of digital USD within the Fed wire system is already traceable and directly connected to you.
Maybe, and this is a big big Maybe, if CBDCs start to roll out, maybe a year or a decade from now, we would need some form of equilibrium for local trade.
Barter/Trade is not illegal today … until the IRS assholes want their cut (if you don’t declare).
That is truly creepy. NOT the American way...I prefer smaller government....obviously....don't tell me how to spend my money, what to put in my body, what to think.WHO HAS COME UP WITH THIS SCHEME TO TAKE MORE POWER? No put things back.
Hmmm. Our records show that your Social Credit Score dropped 20 points over the last week. Until you get that back up we are going to have to reduce your buying power to raw foods only, and you'll have to pay an extra 20% for those goods. We'll check back again in a month to verify your SCC has gone back to an acceptable number.
Yeah but the government /fed is rendering cash useless. Money is already digital. It's too late.
This wisdom is in converting your money to real assets like land, ammo, weapons, and power sources. Also, learn to hunt.
2 cents
This may be a good time to learn an important skill that provides a product or service in high demand. I am all for keeping cash alive.
However, if SHTF and banks are shut down, power shut down, internet shut down, gas disappears, etc we will need to resort to BARTERING.
The best way to barter is to offer something in high demand. If you start with essential, life providing skills, at the very least you can take care of yourself and your family.
For example, learn to:
There are many more techniques. These are life skills. Even if you start them as a hobby this year, these could prove to be essential in life if SHTF. If you are good at them, you can barter for the things you need.
If you are good at them, you can sell them for cash in the meantime.
I think it is essential that we get back to MADE IN AMERICA anyways, so we may as well start with the essentials. I would much rather buy products with cash that are made locally than buy cheap sh*t from China or elsewhere.
u/#wwg1wga
I just knew those foxfire books would be valuable someday. So much knowledge has been forgotten, and the flame of self-sufficiency has waned in our society. Past time for a revival, in body mind and spirit. At 60 it will be a challenge, but hey, I'm not near as dumb, impulsive, are distracted as I was in my youth. Happy trails, Cowboy
You can do whatever you set your mind to u/Datadude 👈🏻
I believe in you!
u/#Merica
I looooove bartering!! I inherited a bunch of sewing notions from my husbands Grama, buttons, thread, zippers and lots more!! I’m keeping the whole box saved away somewhere safe, just in case I need to do some mending or trading with someone who’s interested (:
This is the way!
Good for you, u/Yeetthedems 👈🏻
Add another hobby or two and you can set up your own bartering store!
I have a handful of things I’m skilled at! The blessing of being homeschooled gave me the ability to learn a plethora of hobbies! :D
That's awesome. You'll be in high demand!
We aren't too far off from the walking dead. People still wearing masks are pretty much zombies.
Watch out for them!
I have been ringing this bell for years: If/when SHTF, people are going to realize how important quality when it comes to clothing and shoes. Seamstresses (especially ones who can work with denim) and cobblers are going to find themselves in demand again when things begin to flip around and we start building back up.
This is just so frightening. We can’t let it happen.
I fear it will most likely happen, what we need to do is to ensure how it’s implemented and how do we balance this out?
For example — a cashless society means all forms of Payments will require some digital terminal (e.g. phone).
It doesn’t mean you can’t trade using other forms of ‘agreed upon’ asset between two parties. You could do the barter things, trade time, gold, crypto, etc.
The issue, I think, is land .. Gov has you by the balls, you don’t really own your land.
But if it only stops ONE "illegal" drug deal ("legal drug deals by Phizer and Big Pharma are ok...)!
And if it only stops ONE CongressCritter from being bribed!
Pull my Finger!
Our "cash" is a fucking scam that has lost 99% of it's value since the Federal Reserve was established. They don't need a cashless society to enslave you, you're already their tax livestock. That you can spend cash under the table and squirrel it away are good things, but neither are safeguards against inflation robbing it of all value.
We need a currency that isn't controlled by anyone and that can't be inflated. Until that day, the central bankers will rule the world.
"a currency that isn't controlled by anyone and that can't be inflated"
That doesn't exist. Even gold & silver can be inflated (debased). Need strong laws, and EXECUTIONS for violating them. In fact, current laws would work - if anyone cared to enforce them.
There are many cryptocurrencies that fit that bill. E.g. 21 million is the most Bitcoin that will ever exist and nobody can increase the supply to inflate it. Harsher laws will just be ignored as easily as current ones, assuming they'd even pass such laws in the first place. That ship has sailed anyway. The dollar is already completely debased and falling by the day.
a wild Bitcoin appears
I agree with this post. To all the people who are all for crypto and digital currency, you will only have money if those in control of the internet and power grid are ok with it.
Time to learn a trade or find a way to make a product independently.
If the internet and power goes down, we're all fucked either way. People won't be able to access their fiat in banks either. Debit and Credit cards will go down. If the internet goes down, it's be a total economic collapse for everyone. It's too essential to everything now.
If you think hoarding gold and silver are your ticket through the apocalypse, I suggest you watch Mark Dice's man on the street videos where he tries to exchange gold and silver with people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_x8VswuLwU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndshbH3qZ6Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LN55tfvAUWI
Point being, in a SHTF situation where you will need to rely on trade and barter with strangers, you are better off stockpiling ammo, food, meds, and toiletries. The average person has no idea how much gold/silver are worth and that's with the internet in their pockets.
Short of a literal apocalypse, crypto is a 100% viable alternative to fiat and one that cuts the central banks and governments out of the picture. We can't afford not to adopt it, or we're all going down with the inflation ship together.
Our New slogan should be "Keep Cash Alive". I love cash always have, so do my Grand kids.
Make cash currency again.
Just like the government, find a way to track us in every transaction. Next the electric vehicle that they can shut down at any time and keep us from traveling to and from (wherever that may be). We need these people out of our lives and not controlling them.
All electric vehicles mixed in with next plandemic and there would be a whole new level of lock downs!
Those who are looking to hide from domestic abuse partners can easily be found by the corrupt who are paid to do so by the abuser. It means taxes on everything, even if you do odd jobs. That means restaurant servers can have parts of their tips confiscated by restaurants who take a cut, because they don’t charge their customers enough already! (A Chinese restaurant we used to go to does that, so we gave the waitresses cash tips.) In addition you’re ability to purchase, travel, etc. can be shut down by wrong think or speech. If there is a computer cyber attack, you are stranded because no processing can be done-you are at a restaurant and your digital pay is declined, you try checking into a hotel, your digital pay is declined, you try to buy gas or an airline ticket and your digital pay is declined. It will be a nightmare for the consumer, no big deal to big brother. They will try to sell it as a “convenience” to you, and “less chance of theft”, no wallet/purse to carry which could be stolen-safe, secure until it isn’t.
they already have the ability to STOP electronically all vehicles....they want the ability to KNOW every single thing you buy... NEXT they'll tell you where you can drive, how far, and then will tell you what food you can buy and how much.....a little too overweight?.....no potatoes for you......I can envision them setting up computer programs to restrict everything...
Very true. It is slowly creeping in under the guise of making things easier and paperless.
Some other items to consider are the people who operate completely in cash.
There is a whole population of people who either do not have a SSN (either refusing to be in the system or people who cannot get a SSN (illegal entry)).
One of the big reasons for a cashless society is for the bankers to get their hands on this large part of the population.
The cash only community have operated in anonymity but bankers know it exists, and they want their hands on EVERY PENNY.
Also, how can they count their slaves if part of the population in the US, is shielded from their view because they use cash?
http://notfooledbygovernment.com/lessons-for-a-free-america/america-held-captive-part-3-how-to-recognize-slavery-when-you-see-it/
Big data, they want to know your every move and thought. They have to inventory their livestock and right now that is not completely possible.
Our New slogan should be " Keep Cash Alive"! I love Cash always have.
missing item -
THEY CAN TURN YOU OFF WHENEVER THEY WANT.
you posted misinformation on social media. No money for you.
you've bought enough calories for the week, no food for you.
you drove too fast last week, no gas for you this week.
that person posted misinformation on social media, you can't give them money, no cash for them.
you don't have all your jabs, you can't spend money outside a 1 km radius of your house
you don't have all your jabs, no airline tickets for you
This is the most important reason, and why they’re trying to implement it right now. As we are seeing across the globe they’re shutting down and canceling people for wrong thought. We cannot let this happen! I pray it’s still not too late.
On the plus side, the abuse by the government will be far worse than any domestic abuse so you wont even feel it.
No more stashing away cash to surprise everyone in the family with extra Christmas presents?!
Screw that. That's 90% of my holiday fun. 🙁
No tuck-away cash for beaten wives who want to leave.
Why not? You could memorize a wallet seed and address and have all your hiding money sent there.
Also, seriously how many situations are like this? This is like having male, female and unisex bathrooms for the 1% of trans people out there.
No more purchases of marketplace
Why not? You think they'll be able to charge all those people with fraud?
No more garage sales
Why not? I've seen people using Stripe credit card attachements on their phone at garage sales
No more donations to homeless and homeless you pass.
Why not? They could have a QR code I could hit with my camera. They'd probably get more money because people wouldn't have to stop and dig for change.
No more cash slipped in to the hands to a kid
Why not? Also, there's grandparents who can afford to do this? I mean I got money in a card for birthdays but it was no secret. Is this a situation like the beaten wife/oh won't somebody please think of the children?
No money in birthday cards.
There's a work around:
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/384726297482?hash=item5993796b8a:g:2jIAAOSwEHJgS0NB
No more piggy banks for tooth fairy for your child
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/384726297482?hash=item5993796b8a:g:2jIAAOSwEHJgS0NB
Less choices of where you purchase based on affordabilty
Which is kind of going out the window due to not having to live near where you work.
Banks have full control of every cent you own
Not on a decentilized digital currency.
Every transaction you make is recorded.
It already is, even if you use cash they'll probably have you on camera.
All your movements and actions are tracable
They already are!
Alot of these downsides were repeated.
I went to the atm the other day and it said “this atm has no cash for withdrawal” but it would gladly take my cash for deposit…
I’m in I.T. And strongly anti-bitcoin.
I’ve been a lifelong gun owner & have seen how the gov can make things illegal overnight, with the stroke of a red pen.
Sure YOU might be willing to ignore the law, but most others are too brainwashed & domesticated.
"In GOD we trust, all else leave GOLD on the barrel head" What little convenience you may derive today is NOT worth the FREEDOM you will lose tomorrow.
The only way to win this game is to REFUSE to play. When they made a run on the banks in Canada, it scared the shit out of them. Loud Clear and in Unambiguous terms, !!!"WE DO NOT CONSENT, WE WILL NOT COMPLY"!!!
I've been a cash only Barber for ten years and only have a bank account and deposit what I need to pay bills. Most of my liquid $ is in physical gold, silver & cash in a safe next to my AR-15. They can suck it with all this cashless shit. Come and take it faggots.
Some of the items in the list that a cashless society is claimed to end you can already do cashless using apps such as CashApp, Venmo, or even PayPal. For example: garage sales. In addition, in a cashless society, I'm pretty sure they will allow children to have account to ensure they are enslaved to the system early. I suspect they can already get some of the existing ones depending on age such as Venmo.
However, you may chose not to participate in those activities for risk of the government getting curious as to why you are involved in so many private transactions if you have a garage sale for example (they may suspect you've started dealing drugs or laundering money). Also, given how the government is trying to stamp out small businesses, they may very well ban or limit private person to person transactions to ensure no one is ever able to start or run a small business again. In a cashless society, the government can do a lot of messed up things. And seeing what they have been doing lately (and probably longer that but it has become more obvious lately), not a power you ever want to give these psychopaths.
And cashless also means they can magic money out of thin air forever.
🤡…more importantly they can magic YOUR money—away—devalued—seized—wished into the corn field—“redistributed”—at whim.
IF there is ANYTHING you are willing to fight against with extreme prejudice it should be “cashless society”.
Evsr heard of blockchain
In a cashless society, governments can impose lockdowns by simply limited your ability to spend your own money outside a specific radius of your home of record.
In a cashless society, governments can impose rationing and price controls.
In a cashless society, governments can program money to expire. Forget about saving for the future.
In a cashless society, you will be fined immediately for every infraction on the spot. These infractions will grow and grow until you won't even be able to say curse words without having to put money in the swear jar. See Demolition Man.
In a cashless society, you will be a slave.
and even with all this, it is far worse than you can imagine.
Interesting part about garage sales - I’ve sold things on craigslist and through random classifieds for years. Now places like Facebook marketplace are asking for your SS # so they can report your earnings to the IRS. I suspect it’s not for a small time people like me who just sell here and there when they need to, but there’s a whole crop of businesses that have started started trying to make a profit on there. The government doesn’t like competition, or the thought of people avoiding taxes. I also heard Venmo is reporting the earnings that you make as well. There’s really no way around it, we have to keep using Cash to maintain our freedom.
u/Truth4Freedom Am I imagining things or is this another way to tax us? If I sell things that I already bought with money that was taxed as income. Then I should not pay tax again on that money "earned" for selling items.
Any advice for a beginner to learn about this crypto currency. A simple explanation would be great. Videos, websites...
Agreed, it's definitely just another way to tax us. As if we dont already pay enough!
Good questions about crypto! That is not my area of expertise, but I know several anons on this platform can give you some advice on where to start with it. From a personal opinion (without too much knowledge on the subject), I have reservations about crypto since it seems very volatile and going fully digital either with cypto or a digital dollar seems to end up the same way - with a few people controlling / holding most of the wealth.
Thank you for answering. I have seen a lot of posts recently about the crypto and digital currency. I just need to do a search for descriptions of how it works. It just sounds like a bad idea for everything to go that direction. I hadn't read enough to make an informed decision.
Who said anything about cashless? Even bitcoin would have coins and paper.
I just want the blockchain to protect the crypto and keeping out of Central theif control. You should be able to convert your Bitcoin to a paper bill or metal coin. When the paper goes back it the wallet its canceled. Date and time stamp on it. Scann3d back in by your phone. When ubwant cash you print it out. Blockchain is private.
YEM will be available.....your everyday money
Yeah, I've never been for cashless. I like to have cash in my purse. I think it's dangerous to have banks and govt controlling money.
A cashless society will occur after the gold, silver, platinum backed transition currency is released and people have grown exponentially spiritually 💕
Med beds will be key in uplifting humanity by curing mental and physical issues etc 💕
Indeed 💕
No banks, no interest charges and no taxes, no child trafficking, no drug traficking, no money laundering. So wrong on banks having control. We will have control of our money. Banks will have no power. QFS
In this version of the world, who would lend money for houses or cars? Why would they give you tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars to be tied up for years to decades, when in the end all they're getting back is the money they had in the first place. Would the government manage that instead of the banks? I'm guessing not... I hate interest as much as the next person, but As long as we live in capitalism, people will do things to make money, and one way is to loan your money and get interest in return for fronting the entire cost of something. Otherwise, no one and no entity would just give away their money for no gain whatsoever. It you don't like that, then that's a problem with capitalism. Cuz even if banks didn't exist, then you'd just have rich people loan out money for interest and make their money work. But then they'd spin up a business to manage such things, and you're essentially right back to having banks.
Well the system we have now can fuck us. Look at people who gave to truckers, look how SWIFT can shut off for Russia. The fact that the dollar is based on oil not gold is bad. However switching to a decentrilized made in America been around for like 10 years and is plugged in to banks and could be gold backed would be great for international transfers and would be an even playing field in a sea of liquitiy.
Then let countries use what they want.
And what do you do when the electricity is out for whatever reason? Or the internet goes down? What then?
Buttigieg: just go buy a Tesla!
Pelosi: Let them eat $$$icecream$$$