Lets talk about how Luttig's J6 testimony re Pence plays into the whole plan
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But Pence did NOT ensure that all the objections were heard. They started on one but then they used the Jan 6th event to steamroller the result they wanted in short order.
Yep. 100%
Well-made movies tend to look just like reality when they're trying to. That's how they get us to suspend disbelief sometimes.
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Please forgive our lack of patience for such whiny and uninformed comments.
Wrong. This was an essential part of the plan all along.
So he's supposed to just rubber stamp it, regardless of the shadiness of the results? The VP's job is to swallow the propaganda and sign on the line? OK dude.
He certainly did just that didn't he?
It happened therefore it's part of the plan. This is basically a sidebar rule.
No plan that expects to succeed would go this far down the wrong path before correcting.
None if this Awakening for the normies could have been done w Trump in office. Russia vs Ukraine, the gas prices etc. Think. It had to be this way. Or the public would never wake. If you cant listen you've got to feel . Welcome to the Great Awakening.
What is happening with Russia/ Ukraine that is red-pilling the normies.
The normies that I interact with believe the narrative related to Putin's madman aggression to restore the old Soviet Union.
What normies think of Putin's motives is irrelevant - its plunging Europe into an energy crisis showing Europeans how incompetent their leftist leaders really are. Remember the Great Awakening is a global movement. It's driving energy prices up worldwide and that's at least getting normies perked up to the point where they inevitably ask "isn't there something my government can do about this??? Gas is $10 a gallon!!!" At which point they learn that the left's climate change green energy farce is worthless and that populist leaders were correct to push for energy independence using traditional fuels. All pieces of the greater puzzle that are slowly being put together. They use such "rah rah" virtuous language to push their green agenda that the normies get stars in their eyes as they nod and "say yea wow green energy sounds great! Let's use batteries for everything! And wind and solar!!!" It's not until you SHOW them how unrealistic that all is IN THE REAL WORLD where the rubber meets the road in a true energy crisis. It's only then they MIGHT wake up. This should be enough to see how this is all part of the plan. Next phase will be the Chinese invasion of Taiwan which will accomplish the goal of waking normies up to our reliance on Chinese goods. It won't be a gas and oil shortage it will be an everything shortage. Think of everything that has a "made in China" tag on it. TLDR: Russian war is to show normies that green energy is a joke Chinese war will show normies we need Made in USA goods
So literal wars, invasions, death on a huge scale is ONLY to "wake up" americans? Bro, that sounds like a terrible plan.
If there was another way that guaranteed success with less collateral damage than they would do it. There is no "clean" way to do this - period
Show them the stories of how Putin is saving Ukrainian children by removing them from their Nazi parents to place them with good, Christian God-fearing Russian families.
I think the atheist left would not appreciate stories like that.
This is the definition of kidnapping...
Lol not many of those in a communist country. Which is it, Anon, communists want to destroy religion for ppl to worship government or communists want Christian based families? Stop moving the goalpost. You look like a fuckin idiot
Russia could not have done this during a Trump administration, it isn't 'redpilling the normies' IMO. There were things that needed to happen with someone else in office.
If "it had to be this way", then the entire "stop the steal" stuff was a farce. If Trump had to lose (or have the vote stolen from him) then why were we supposed to fight to keep him in office? Why is Trump having all these rallies where he's telling everyone the presidency was stolen from him? Is Trump himself not aware that "it had to be this way"?
Seriously, does no one else see all the plot holes in the "it had to be this way" storyline?
And why is he collecting so much money off the premise the election was stolen? I get 30+ emails / day from his campaign and family asking for Stop the Steal donations.
There are meant to be plot holes in order to confound the enemy.
Why does the enemy need to be confounded? It's not stopping them from doing whatever they like.
And trying to confound the enemy leads to things like 1/06, as well, it seems. We have dozens of people, if not hundreds, sitting in prison waiting to be tried for this.
And if all of this is really to confound the enemy, but we actually know that "it had to be this way*, then why are we still getting angry that the election was stolen?
Why are people like Mike Lindell spending millions of dollars trying to prove the election was stolen if the election was supposed to be stolen?
Basically you're saying that our side is deliberately letting this country go to hell, letting people shoot their kids up with toxic vaccines, letting people lose their jobs and homes and businesses, etc.... all as a ploy to confuse the enemy.
And you're ok with that? As long as the enemy looks at us and says "They make no sense at all", it's all ok?
You lost me at literally.
It kind of has:
lit·er·al·ly /ˈlidərəlē,ˈlitrəlē/ Learn to pronounce adverb in a literal manner or sense; exactly. "the driver took it literally when asked to go straight across the traffic circle"
Similar: verbatim word for word line for line letter for letter to the letter exactly precisely faithfully closely strictly strictly speaking accurately rigorously literatim
Opposite: loosely imprecisely metaphorically
INFORMAL used for emphasis or to express strong feeling while not being literally true. "I was literally blown away by the response I got"
He used it the Left-tards use it.
Mr. Cheney begs to differ. ;)
The VP presides over the senate.
He has to determine the authenticity of papers which purport to be certificates of electoral votes. After all, if I mailed him a yellow notepad claiming to be 50 electoral votes… it shouldn’t be counted. Even if I sent a very fancy certificate, on the right form, and bribed the library of Congress to pass it to him… it wouldn’t be a real certificate of genuine electoral votes.
Jefferson. Read about it.
Jefferson was wrong and he stole the election of 1800 by unlawfully counting a purported Electoral certificate from GA despite it not following the Constitutionally required form.
Mike Pence is a certified Faggot.
Signed Mike Pence
Follow the Pence...
Thirty Pence
None the richer?
A little richer. Have to account for inflation, you see.
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My mind is not made up when it comes to Pence. I go back to Q's drops about Game Theory and the fact that the military could have stepped in on the 2020 election but didn't.
I'm inclined to believe that patriots allowed it to be stolen.
As to which side of the fence Pence sits on is an unknown to me. I would not be surprised by either outcome. But I refuse to have a strong opinion until I have strong evidence.
Mike pence is most likely a white hat. I don't care how many people here flame me. Chris Miller and his were running "the most complicated spec ops in the history of the US military"....only Q op could fit that description in a time of no war.
I can't decide about Pence...
Why did Karen Pence receive an envelope at Poppy's funeral? Disinformation?
Why was Pence passed a note by a LEO during a handshake in a filmed White House meeting?
Did Pence flip? So. Many. Questions.
Why did Pence receive that weird Punisher coin from Lindsay Graham after certifying the votes? Followed by elbow bumping Pelosi?
Yeah...members of the same club?
Yes...media approved.
The only way pence isn't a white hat is if Chris Miller isn't either
Then we have bigger problems
Unless Miller was trolling Pence. Aka, by openly praising him and saying all that, basically rubbing the fact that "we know how corrupt you are" in his face.
Although, it does seem that Miller was fully sincere.
https://rumble.com/vssrbs-miller-to-pence-thank-you-for-your-efforts-in-the-most-complex-military-ope.html
I don't know about Pence either. I tend to think he is DS. However, it could be that Pence is WH but not 'in the inner circle' of things but simply playing a compartmentalized part in the movie, and his part is over now. He's not been doing anything Trump related lately, to my knowledge - just trying to dip his toe in the water for 2024 and seemingly getting negative feedback about his chances. I'm just glad the phrase "I stand shoulder-to-shoulder with _______" (Pence's go-to phrase he used in nearly every interview.) has stopped being used. Phrase sounded really insincere after the first 4 times he said it.
Which part of those "ops" included letting Biden win, so he could open the border so our country could be invaded every hour of everyday, oh and then use the military to transport them around the country.
Complicated ops implies lots of misdirection and the part with the open border and bs is I'm guessing Q saying people need to understand how bad things could get. Idk. I don't love it I'm just guessing pence helped Trump he was so quiet and there are so many things that don't make sense unless he was either assisting or was a super deep DS guy and not even Trump realized which I doubt
The Establishment wouldn’t be lauding and praising Pence if he wasn’t one of theirs.
He and Paul Ryan (remember him?) were plotting against Trump well before the 2016 election. He’s anything but a white hat and not the devout Christian he pretends to be.
If anyone is interested in serious discussion of constitutional law and presidential election dispute history, and how Pence/VP question should be correctly answered, enjoy...
https://greatawakening.win/p/15HIOk3haD/long-read-election-dispute-histo/
u/MAGAdeburger Thank you for your post. Very informative, tons of research. Refocused me. I never was comfortable thinking Pence was a black hat…..will now spend time scanning the horizon for shifting SOTUS on hearing election fraud cases.
Thanks, I appear to have missed this OP by you deburger. Don't have time to read right now, but judging from the title you may have answered the big question I have with this thread:
This letter is the same letter from Pence highlighted by Patel Patriot earlyish in the Devolution series.
Yes?
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Yes same letter. Pence put out that letter on Jan 6th, 2021. He very clearly signaled that he wasn't going to do anything, e.g. "reject" the certificates from the disputed states, like some wanted him to do and believed he had that authority. The ECA rendered the VP purely ministerial. He wasn't incorrect about that... but my contention is that several aspects of the ECA are unconstitutional. More on that here:
https://greatawakening.win/p/15IEqe3pGY/x/c/4OZpmJ0SB7L
Correct, he basically said "look, according to ECA, this ain't my job... you assholes do your job." Indeed, the "invasion" into the building itself started right as the first objection to a state certificate was levied. And yes, after everything got settled, all of the prescripted "WoRsT DaY iN hiStORy OmG PeArL HaRBoR!" speeches were made and the objections immediately rejected. Had the "break in" not disrupted the proceedings, would a legitimate, thorough objection process have been conducted? Doubtful. Would have all likely been the same bullshit as prior Dem challenges after Bush's election.
All they had to do was call for an audit. As Pence said—there was a lot of concerns about this election, and we have known it from the beginning. But he and the others just shut down everything to make sure Biden got in. Fine. He and the other Rhinos can be swept up in the blame for the disaster we are now in.
If Pence couldn’t stop an election, then neither can Harris. I belive that is the point they’re making.
What's it say? It's not legible on my phone. Thanks.
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You know without getting too verbose and lost in my own verbiage, it makes me sad to see such avwonderful discussion of Election precedents and Constitutional law from some of you pedes. You all are really brilliant and articulate at putting forward a really thought provoking discussion here, in an attempt to suss out the role of Pence and whether the moves were planned or not and by whom.
But then it strikes me, that we are discussing these election rules and precedents and their utility and if potential moves like proceeding with the count or stopping to investigate or simply returning the electors was legally grey or ethical or it was within the law or would've been technically illegal or this or that. We are talking about this shit, in the context of what actions were taken and why and perfect world scenarios and strict principles and how the framers intended.
But the actual fucking context is, what went down and what pence 'chose' to do (or couldn't choose, bullshit tbh there is always a choice) on Jan. 6th is being rehashed because of an investigation into a supposed "conspiracy" that is so farcical and embarrassing that it actually rivals the Russiagate events and Mueller special task force in terms of how ridiculous and produced it is. The only conspiracy to come from this will be the investigation into the investigation itself, much like what the Durham saga is dredging up from the muck for the public to see from the first tentpole of unhinged lunacy that was nothing more than a bloodthirsty mafia of politicians out to utterly destroy Trump at any cost, committing numerous major crimes in their madness.
It will be the same with this lunatic bullshit and in time we'll find out what we already know: Pelosi and the 3 letters, along with the shadow rulers BHO HRC ETC. orchestrated and perpetrated much or all of the Jan 6 "dustup" to serve dual purposes of finding probable cause to banish Trump eternally at the same moment they completed their hostile takeover after cheating him out of an election he won AND to punish the majority of all people in the country with whom Trump enjoyed massive success and popularity, finding methods to make acceptable and necessary to relegate that disloyal deplorable citizenry to a status little better than indentured servants. They made it up, to stop the election challenges, to show the people we are dogs who will be beaten with the newspaper should we so dare as laugh when they flee in terror from patriotic protestors, to permanently frame Trump as a villain, to do what every major news event of these last few years does: all false flags or certainly narrated and coerced into their estimation of a proper shape; incite anger and draw lines of division. Dethrone compassion and humanity, enshrine our separate living 'truths' and make us worship holy politics.
The context is Pence and the events of Jan 6 put a regime in power that has absolutely no intention of following any Constitutional precedents, rules, or laws of any kind. They operate entirely outside the boundaries of these conditions that we are debating and mulling over. They take what they want and do what they want with fucking impunity and nothing stops them. They are struck down by courts and continue along anyway. Their corruption is exposed and they laugh at it and brush it off. Their agendas and plans are exposed and they redouble the efforts. They are like terrorists in politics, they dont fear "death" in the political sense. Popularity doesnt matter votes dont mean shit, we're going to cheat and lie and tell you who voted and how many and you'll accept it. We own the information and we tell the stories. That's who THESE people are.
As Trump said before Republicans play 'a clean game'. these motherfuckers play to win. Pence could've done whatever he wanted that day. We put ourselves in shackles and remain supplicant to them because whenever we take power we suddenly have to follow a set of rules and law that literally doesn't exist to them, as we see now. If it doesn't change, then we will never have a chance. That's the fundamental difference between MAGA and the old guard. We know they are controlled opposition and part of the show, that's why they suddenly can't get past the same rules that these assholes ignore every time we take power back. That's why I don't think we're going to get to November before something happens, because nothing is bigger than holding on to power and the endless false dialectic. They went crazy in 2016 when the light started to pour in and it's only gonna get worse.
Thanks guys
No, there isn't always a choice. And there wasn't in this case. Assuming for a moment that he did have a choice, that would mean the founders of our democracy put in place a mechanism for a single individual (who may well have a stake in the outcome of the election) to decide to invalidate the will of the people who voted. Not likely and not logical. Had Pence done so, then this paragraph could just as equally be applied to the Trump administration:
Fun fact, Jefferson single handedly put himself into office in 1800 by counting the dubious certificate from GA. He of course wasn't going to reject it and all those votes for himself.... had he rejected it, or it been more forcibly objected to, or challenged at the court, there'd have been a contingent election in the House between Adams and Jefferson because neither would have a majority. Thing is, Adams had set the precedent in the prior election by counting the RI certificate even though there were some questions about it (wouldn't have made a difference in the win for Adams, and the questions over the certificate were not at the same level as the GA certificate in 1800).
The Framers never intended the VP to have any supposed unilateral exclusive, supreme power to reject or not accept Electoral certificates. But the problem is that the Constitution did not explicitly spell out a process for what would happen if Electoral appointments or votes were disputed... or perhaps they did... oh yes, they certainly did... Judicial matters are up to the courts, and cases like this belong to SCOTUS which has original jurisdiction. Hence, why even despite the ECA in the aftermath if 1876, SCOTUS has ruled many times in Electoral matters.
Yes, thank you! Appreciate the historical details and helpful info.
So he betrayed the whole country... I knew that since the issuance of this latter. I do not see how is this good for us?
The people will see! No, they will not see anything.
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“Faithfully “ would necessarily include verification of the legitimacy of the votes cast.
Nothing in the Constitution or any law proceeding therefrom compels the VP to knowingly participate in fraud. Especially fraud leading to the overthrow of the Presidency of the United States in a treasonous coup.
Fraud vitiates (cancels the validity of) everything it touches. That includes elections because they're part of everything.
Poor guy has the words 'basically' and 'literally' mixed up.
Absolutely no fat in your statement. Impeccable command of the English language sir. Thank you.
Cheers anon
Words is fun :)
Actually, the CONSTITUTION says no such thing. It neither says the VP presides in a ministerial function only, nor does it say that the VP has the [exclusive] power to contest or reject Electoral certificates, nor "send them back." The problem is that has always been that the Constitution is silent. It's not explicitly clear what power, if any, the VP has as a "judge" of the legitimacy of the purported Electoral certificates. Then again, it's also silent about Congress' authority and doesn't explicitly state what should happen if Electoral appointments or votes, or counting of said votes, are disputed.
The Electoral Count Act attempted to solve this massive problem, which caused a constitutional crisis in 1876 (although, twice prior Electoral vote certificates HAD BEEN REJECTED because the states in question were still in a quasi state of rebellion without legally restored governments). But the ECA isn't even constitutional. The Constitution doesn't explicitly give Congress any authority to make any statutory law to give itself unilateral power to judge on presidential Electoral dispute matters. According to the Constitution, ALL judicial decisions are left to the courts, and in this case SCOTUS has original jurisdiction. This has always been a matter for the courts, for SCOTUS.
You really think this move to provide security for SCOTUS is because of Roe v Wade?? Nope. That's just the first step to prepare for what's eventually coming... SCOTUS will hear the election dispute cases on the basis of merit. And at the very least, will declare the contested states to have 0 electoral votes counted for either Trump or Biden, which means contigent vote in the House. Should have been done over a year ago, but I digress. Better late than never. But by some small chance Patriots truly "have it all", meaning the real, true vote count, and undeniable proof that it was changed, then SCOTUS could absolutely declare Trump the lawful winner.
Judges judge. Not Congress. Not the VP. Judges.
I definitely see blockchain and crypto being connected with all of this, whether as the goal or as the solution.
Excuse me for stating the obvious from your posts but I'm reading it that Military is the one in control, since they affected the 2016 election - So, are you seeing this as Trump not 'officially' in office, for purposes of counting the 10 year limit for holding Presidential office? (meaning, not reinstating Trump in any way prior to Jan 20 2023 to get the best use?)
And where are you on Pence? Bumbled along blindly on Jan 6th (on advice of his own attys) b/c Constitution silent on his actual role/responsibility?
That could be in play, bascially give "Trump" 4 years + 2 (or 4, if nothing happens) + 4 (if reinstated prior to 2024, or reelected in 2024), with 2020-2022 (or 23, or 24) being "ghost" president really in control in the background while Bido the Bozo gets blamed for destroying the country. In any case, I do think that the military is truly behind all of this, or at least whoever good is left in the military
Philology is crucial to understanding the constitution. The propagation of the “living constitution” theory is half the reason we are in this mess in the first place. One has to understand the words as meant in the time they were written to effectively apply meaning after the fact. All that is to say is I agree with your interpretation.
Faithfully =in good faith, meaning he attests to the fact that the votes are legit.
You lost me at basically.
Then why did congress try to pass a law afterwards that would limit the powers of the VP in this type of situation?
I remember just watching Trump finish his speech and hear about people already having entered the Capitol. My first thought was "That quickly?", it didn't register at the time how suspicious that was.
This letter was issued with a single purpose, make the January 6th false flag plausible. Without this letter MAGA would have had no motive to enter the Capitol. Instead, they would have departed President Trump’s speech and likely the city believing Mike Pence would fight for them.
All the arguments about what power Pence had on that day are not as important as the reality he gave the green light for the false flag. No letter, not motive, no false flag.
Does anyone know how the pen comms work? is it about the position of the actual pen, or the stuff she's highlighted?
u/#q4423
I don't understand the connection but I have been at work today. What am I missing?
Follow the pen