The key word here is "marketed", which means that it cannot be marketed as being a treatment, it would require a disclaimer, much like many sources for herbs and protocols for treating disease. Don't panic, they will still be sold, but not marketed, there is a difference.
If I want to market something, be it homeopathy or anything at all, I’ll do so without any disclaimer related to the FDA or any government body. And so should anyone else who wants to.
you can do that privately, but marketing is subject to legal implications. I can harvest dandelion root, sell it to the co-op in town, and they will buy it, but they cannot say " dandelion root, good as a tonic for liver and iron defiiency" What they can say is, " dandelion root has been used for generations as a health tonic, reported to be good for the liver." It's just splitting hairs around language, which is all law is, anyway. Of course, do what you want. The law is in place to protect the retailer from lawsuit if they claim a cure , and someone comes along saying "this did not cure my cancer".
One of my sayings has been to believe the opposite of what MSM says and one will be 95% closer to the truth.
I think I should update that to include the CDC and FDA too. Probably nearly all of the government. The truth is pretty much the opposite of what they say.
They already have been doing that, even when the FDA has confirmed results.
Sell cherries, no problem. Put "heart healthy" cherries (FDA confirmed studies) and the cherries are a drug.
Also worth noting that GRAS is anything that was thought of as "safe" while doctors were prescribing cigarettes for sore throat is SAFE until proven otherwise.
I say it's not there to protect the retailer at all. it's there to benefit Rockefeller and the cabal in their long term mission of depopulation via, among many evil systems, western medicine and the self poisoning of one's body under the illusion it's making them healthier
conversely in a just world without FDA interference, if one marketed say ivermectin and the label stated "this cures cancer" or "guaranteed to cure cancer" that person is setting themselves up for a lawsuit, but if instead one is more reasonable and puts on the label "some users have testified it cured their cancer" and such statement is truthful and can be backed up, well then there ought not be any reasonable lawsuit against the supplier or retailer
just my 2 cents fren. if you haven't seen documentary about how Rockefeller created western medicine I strongly recommend you look it up
so if I sell vitamin c liposomal for example I just need to make it clear that my product doesn't go by the same standards as those of the FDA, CDC, NIH and WHO? And you're telling me that's not marketing? can I put this in large bold font on the label? geez, I can't think of a better marketing idea!
The FDA can't make anything illegal. They don't create laws, only Congress can do that with legislation. They can spit and sputter all they want, I ain't got ears for it.
At what point does the population just decide to stop listening to the government. They would not be able to do anything if everyone just stopped listening. You need a drivers license, homeopathic drugs are illegal, bake the cake, gas stoves are banned, pay income tax... etc etc.
EVERYONE JUST STOP. the government is not for the people anymore. Why does the dog and pony show continue
It's up to the people to take back their towns where the effects of everything are felt. Most important is having a constitutional sheriff, who works for the people, answer to the people.
You know this has been done, successfully, many times. A driver's license is only required in certain scenarios where business is involved. For example, renting a car or truck, driving for an employer, or carrying goods or passengers. To travel in your own private automobile from point A to point B does not require a license. It's called the Right to Travel and there is tons of case law on this.
No, cops don't understand this and will probably still arrest you or issue a ticket but when it gets to court if you argue correctly it will get dismissed. They are only trying to extract money from your wallet and if you go along with what they tell you they will get it.
Okay. Say you haven't acquired a license. Say you don't have a plate.
How much money do you think you are going to have to spend to defend yourself, and how many times are you going to get arrested for refusing to comply?
They're not using lawmaking power. They're using 100+ -year-old regulatory authority under the Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act. They have the power to do this.
The FDA deliberately approves harmful products. I hardly think the FDA is a reliable authority to decide what should and should not be allowed to consumers. The FDA is a fraudulent money-laundering entity. To hell with the FDA.
Homeopathic products are governed by the same law as are other drugs per 21 USC 321(g)(1)(A) “articles recognized in the official USP, official Homoeopathic Pharmacopoeia of the United States or National Formulary, or any supplement.”.
Supplement here is not referring to dietary supplements, but supplements to the respective Pharmacopoeiae.
FDA could not with a broad stroke or regulation just take away homeopathic therapies without Congress first repealing this part of US Code.
Back in the 1930's when the FD&C Act was being debated/discussed homeopathic health providers prevailed on Congress to make certain that the emerging drug industry at that time would not de-legitimize homeopathic treatments.
A number of Congressmen at the time were under such providers' care taking homeopathic preparations, and they swore by them. A provision was made for homeopathics in law then, and it still exists in law today.
Isn't homeopathy based on diluting some harmful substance to 1 part per million, and then hoping the body develops a resistance to it? At 1 ppm, maybe the substance given to the human doesn't even have the 1 part? Can this same logic be used to ban advertising of traditional vaccines?
Law of Similia.
Law of Simplex.
Law of Minimum.
Doctrine of Drug Proving.
Theory of Chronic Diseases.
Theory of Vital Force.
Doctrine of Drug Dynamisation.
These are the seven laws of homeopathy. When you create a homeopathy you dilute an original substance by a 1:10 ratio (X) or a 1:100 ratio (C). The more diluted the higher the potency and the more powerful the remedy. The first number indicates how many times the remedy was diluted and succussed. Examples are 3X, 12X, 30X, 200X up to 1M or 30C, 200C etc. This is all considered vibrational medicine and the highest remedies have no trace of the original substance but they have the vibrational memory of the original substance.
I don’t know about ivermectin. Isn’t that considered a prescription in the USA? Could it be supplements like NAC and others that boost immunity. I don’t know what changed but several months ago big companies like Amazon and Walmart didn’t sell NAC. Now it’s on Amazon.
Ivermectin can be prescribed, but does not require one legally. That's how others are able to buy it without going to the doctor. is only regulated by how its supplied at this point. No law, mandate, or measure can stop the ability of the production of a drug, unless by way of damages incurred that are brought before a court of law. LEGALLY. Of course, its being done anyway, to restrict distribution. I still think the whole ivermectin jig was misdirection (intentional by big pharma) to drum up fear. Could it help? Sure, try it, if it works i hope it does well. The protocols hospitals used were unwarranted, but its not about the decision to take a drug, its about the ability to CONTROL THE DISTRIBUTION of the drug for these guys.
Not necessarily. Her explanation isn't even coherent honestly, and FDA/CDC/anyone that is not in congress (State or US) or rare, unconstitutional action by EO, cannot make laws, pass referendums or create mandates to enforce on the populace. Its just hot air to drum up attention to buy products. The good ol' alex jones approach
Milk advertises health benefits. It gets strained, heated, and processed. Are they going to regulate breast milk from cows? I say yes they will unless they are stopped. Power, regulations and taxes never stop willingly. They must be stopped with an outside resistant force greater than the force pushing the expansion. Pressure will build until one of the two forces are gone
They have not been determined illegal...yet...but the FDA keeps trying.
A little background:
Last month the FDA issued a "final guidance" that describes how it intends to prioritize enforcement and regulatory actions for homeopathic drug products marketed in the U.S. without the required FDA approval. FDA’s risk-based approach will be used to prioritize enforcement and regulatory actions involving categories of products that FDA says may pose a higher risk to public health.
FDA noted that it anticipates that many homeopathic drug products will fall outside the categories of drug products that it intends to prioritize for enforcement and regulatory action.
This isn't the first time that "guidances" have been issued by the FDA regarding homeopathic remedies. The FDA has been on a crusade for several years, and it's disgraceful. Homeopathy and herbalism provide remedies. They are not drugs. They are not medicine. They are not pharmaceuticals.
The healing power of plants is critical to homeopathy, a form of natural medicine that sources from the earth, and plants form the basis of many homeopathic remedies, such as Arnica, Calendula, Chamomile, and St. John's Wort.
Should false advertising be legal? With respect to health claims, the line between what is "false advertising" vs what is not becomes blurry unless there is an authority that has the legal power to make the distinction. I think, I do not want someone to be able to trick me into buying something. In fact, I think I'd support stricter claim oversight.
.... eg. There should be stricter claim oversight in toothpaste, because currently no matter how tiny the amount of hydrogen peroxide is used in toothpaste, as long as there's a nonzero amount, they can still claim that it is whitening, despite the fact that the paste would probably fail a clinical trial on whitening ability. (According to my dentist)
Homeopathy has two meanings in modern English. (1) Super diluted to the point where it becomes just water. (2) An herbal or "home" remedy. Most people who attack homeopathy are referring to (1), whereas most people defending homeopathy are referring to (2). This makes for endless, unproductive, online arguments. The first type is akin to modern shamans or yogi treating illnesses with spirit crystals or other new-age products.
I'm all for herbal and home remedies. More studies should be done exploring these options. But I think it's okay to illegalize claims that a product which is 99.999999999% water can do anything other than "provide hydration".... Unless of course, it can be factually proven through a repeatable clinical study.
I know some people even here really do believe in the dilution-type homeopathy. Something to do with water-memory. But I really haven't seen any evidence beyond placebo-explanable anecdotes to convince me of their efficacy. I'm always open to change my mind if evidence suggests otherwise.
False advertising is the same as theft. A scam leading to an exchange where only one side fulfills their end of the exchange... Yes, after the vaccine fiasco, I'm as "disappointed" (putting it lightly) as you are with the FDA, but even if we don't have the FDA, we need the existence of some authority that can evaluate health-related claims for their truthfulness in advertising. Don't we? I'm open to alternatives if you have a better idea.
I guess one alternative would be to illegalize all marketing claims except those which are completely verifiably factual. No more statistical stuff in marketing. No more "whitening" toothpaste. The paste can say how much h2o2 it has, but any claims beyond that can come from your health care provider
I agree but the government doesn’t need to be the one policing this. They have proven over and over they can be bought. A company doesn’t have to tell what “natural flavors” are in products. That’s another can of worms. Natural flavors can be anything they choose.
If I’m buying supplements or herbs in capsules I look for third party tested products.
I do not think your understanding and definition of homeopathy is accurate or displays any knowledge of the discipline of homeopathy. Most people that don't know or understand their subject tend to spout ludicrous claims and opinions that have no actual basis in the discipline they are discussing. If you go online you can find bona fide info on this healing methodology, which has a very rich, provable history.
Regarding my understanding, dilution-type homeopathy is a medicinal belief system largely about the vibrational memory of water of diluted substance. A bit reductionist, sure, but I'm not really wrong. At least that's the basic idea. If you think I'm mistaken, please specify. Otherwise, simply saying "you're wrong" is ... Not productive. Of course there's freedom of speech, so you can say whatever.
Regarding the actual content I wrote, and the verifiability of true homeopathy, (not the herbal remedy linguistic dual) if there has been a placebo controlled double blind RCT showing favoritism towards the homeopathy treatment, please let us know. I'm sure I'm not the only one that would be interested to learn something new
"dilution-type homeopathy is about the vibrational memory of water of diluted substance. "...excep the vibrational memory is of the original substance...water or combo water/ alcohol is strictly the substance used to dilute a substance to make a potenized remedy that can be put in a water or alcohol/water solution or can be used to potentize sugar pellets or tablets.
Unfortunately you are asking for information that people spend years learning. I listed the 7 foundations of homeopathy in a comment farther down. There are many sites online that explain homeopathy and the laws that govern it. There are books written, courses taught and much information on the discipline of homeopathics...WAY too much info to condense here. I would have to research but all homeopathics have proving and there are materia medical that contain these provings, which is the basis for treatment.
I will give you one very clear example of an effective homeopathic. The remedy Apis uses a bee as the original substance...prepared homeopathically by dilution and succussing. We then have a ...say Apis 30X remedy. I get stung by a bee...exhibiting a certain set of symptoms. The law of similars states whatever causes a disease cures the disease. So I take the 30X Apis remedy under my tongue and the stinging and redness goes away. If it comes back, I repeat the remedy...you stop taking when the symptoms are ameliorated. Now say I have a stinging, red, burning sore throat...Apis 30X would also be effective. That is a brief explanation...homeopathy is a bona-fide discipline of study and if you are interested in it you can find many good books and articles online. Dana Uhlmam (sp?) is an excellent author.
The authority on false advertising should be a court of law on a case per case basis. Not some group who aren't accountable to the people they're supposedly "protecting" who can make up whatever they want.
Good rundown. I try to tell people, big pharma as a business model is the problem. not the chemical compounds their researchers create. Its just a form of high level alchemy; without the fear tactics, the predatory business, and the censorship, there is nothing technically wrong with using pharmaceutical drugs. Its a personal choice. Everything has a risk. What made this complicated was complicity between mass media and NGO's telling people what they can and can't take. Homeopaths use this same fear against the populace to sell their product, which as you said, isn't intended to work, but to sell.
Well you might want to "Take it back" and understand I've used this psuedonym since 2004, before you possibly even considered using one. I use the same one intentionally. It was born from playing first person shooters and RPGs, and migrated with me every where I've went. Kind of the opposite of what shills do, but it's trendy to just call people shills when they have no evidence of shilling. I get it constantly on here, it's okay.
Also, since you've pointed it out, what's "shilly" about what I'm saying? I'm literally saying don't pick sides and evaluate things personally. Shills do the opposite of that. Duh.
Sorry i got distracted by the kid in the hallway and the golden retriever.
Just so you all know, there's a marketing war between "homeopathic" medicine and big pharma. Its intentional and its meant to drive sales and panic. One says the other is out to take advantage of you, when BOTH are guilty of it. Its another form of political shit shaming. Don't take either seriously exclusively. "holistic" and "integrative" therapy is the approach you need to take when concerning healthcare, which means you consider ALL angles of treatment and then decide for yourself which one is the best approach for you. There is no cookie cutter approach to healthcare. Thinking so is what prolongs the problem.
It appears that you know nothing about homeopathy and your opinions are not based on any understanding of the history and use of homeopathics. I appreciate your thoughts but from someone that has utilized homeopathics for over 40 years, I cannot disagree more with your estimation of homeopathy.
I appreciate your thoughts but from someone that has utilized homeopathics for over 40 years, I cannot disagree more with your estimation of homeopathy.
That is what we call intrinsic bias. I'm not shunning the methods homeopathy uses, im shunning its approach. Its fear mongering. Its, honestly, baseless claims. If its not guaranteed to work, is it really a remedy? Same goes for pharmaceuticals and how they call it "cures". If i take morning glory and it gives me an asthmatic attack and it gives you an erection, what claims are we truly basing this on? The difference is pharmaceuticals do have clinical trials. Though paid for and propped up by big business, they are at least there.
Edited because clowns and shills are not understanding what i'm saying. They are just seething at the fact that you HAVE to consider all angles, holistic healing. Why is that so offensive?
Same with pharmaceuticals. You can get an RX and not take it. No ones going to be upset. If that is what you mean. Tell the shills who hijacked the practice of homeopathy to stop trying to scare people from taking shit like aspirin. Its a joke. Not intended to be personal towards you
What shills have hijacked the practice of homeopathy...I am really trying to understand what you are talking about. Who scares people with homeopathics?
Nobodys saying they are being scared "with" homeopathics. The marketing strategy that many profitable homeopaths use is to turn away from pharmaceuticals SO THEY WILL USE THEIR PRODUCT. Its not to demean those who practice homeopathy in a good manner, big business hijacked the profession just as pharmaceuticals were.. They cry wolf about the FDA coming after them every year, then they don't. Take a quick internet search on it. Its laughable.
The key word here is "marketed", which means that it cannot be marketed as being a treatment, it would require a disclaimer, much like many sources for herbs and protocols for treating disease. Don't panic, they will still be sold, but not marketed, there is a difference.
If I want to market something, be it homeopathy or anything at all, I’ll do so without any disclaimer related to the FDA or any government body. And so should anyone else who wants to.
you can do that privately, but marketing is subject to legal implications. I can harvest dandelion root, sell it to the co-op in town, and they will buy it, but they cannot say " dandelion root, good as a tonic for liver and iron defiiency" What they can say is, " dandelion root has been used for generations as a health tonic, reported to be good for the liver." It's just splitting hairs around language, which is all law is, anyway. Of course, do what you want. The law is in place to protect the retailer from lawsuit if they claim a cure , and someone comes along saying "this did not cure my cancer".
Also, these things came to be because of snake oil salesmen. At best it did nothing for people, and at worst people were dying because of it.
That said, when the FDA is supporting things like the vaccines from clotsville it's hard not to want to slap them across the face for this move.
FDA really has no credibility left.
Exactly!
CDC = Modern Day Snake Oil Salesman
All PROVEN Lies.
But, because the government lies, and they make the rules, they expect us to be okay with it.
DEPOPULATION
Good analysis. Notwithstanding, what about the FDA calling GRAS "drugs"? Isn't this all part of the Codex Alimentaris?
The vaxx is not GRAS either.
One of my sayings has been to believe the opposite of what MSM says and one will be 95% closer to the truth.
I think I should update that to include the CDC and FDA too. Probably nearly all of the government. The truth is pretty much the opposite of what they say.
💉👹🌎
Stop considering them and what they say.
Exactly. I never recognized their authority and never will. You?
NEVER!!! :)
Shooting all lawyers would be an alternate remedy for this situation.
They already have been doing that, even when the FDA has confirmed results.
Sell cherries, no problem. Put "heart healthy" cherries (FDA confirmed studies) and the cherries are a drug.
Also worth noting that GRAS is anything that was thought of as "safe" while doctors were prescribing cigarettes for sore throat is SAFE until proven otherwise.
I say it's not there to protect the retailer at all. it's there to benefit Rockefeller and the cabal in their long term mission of depopulation via, among many evil systems, western medicine and the self poisoning of one's body under the illusion it's making them healthier
conversely in a just world without FDA interference, if one marketed say ivermectin and the label stated "this cures cancer" or "guaranteed to cure cancer" that person is setting themselves up for a lawsuit, but if instead one is more reasonable and puts on the label "some users have testified it cured their cancer" and such statement is truthful and can be backed up, well then there ought not be any reasonable lawsuit against the supplier or retailer
just my 2 cents fren. if you haven't seen documentary about how Rockefeller created western medicine I strongly recommend you look it up
so if I sell vitamin c liposomal for example I just need to make it clear that my product doesn't go by the same standards as those of the FDA, CDC, NIH and WHO? And you're telling me that's not marketing? can I put this in large bold font on the label? geez, I can't think of a better marketing idea!
The core of Homeopathy is "like cures like"
i.e. you trigger symptoms --- the same as the disease
.
HEY GUESS WHAT MOTHERFUCKERS?
This is what a vaccine does........
(or supposed to do)
The FDA can't make anything illegal. They don't create laws, only Congress can do that with legislation. They can spit and sputter all they want, I ain't got ears for it.
The ATF just learned that lesson the hard way with bump stocks.
And the EPA vs WV. We are inching closer everyday. It could be this ends up in the same situation. 1 by 1.
And they’re about to get their shit packed on pistol braces.
To the point folks will just throw stocks on instead of braces because, fuck em
At what point does the population just decide to stop listening to the government. They would not be able to do anything if everyone just stopped listening. You need a drivers license, homeopathic drugs are illegal, bake the cake, gas stoves are banned, pay income tax... etc etc.
EVERYONE JUST STOP. the government is not for the people anymore. Why does the dog and pony show continue
It's up to the people to take back their towns where the effects of everything are felt. Most important is having a constitutional sheriff, who works for the people, answer to the people.
You'll be able to challenge some of these things but you'll never be able to successfully challenge driving without a license, good luck.
You know this has been done, successfully, many times. A driver's license is only required in certain scenarios where business is involved. For example, renting a car or truck, driving for an employer, or carrying goods or passengers. To travel in your own private automobile from point A to point B does not require a license. It's called the Right to Travel and there is tons of case law on this.
No, cops don't understand this and will probably still arrest you or issue a ticket but when it gets to court if you argue correctly it will get dismissed. They are only trying to extract money from your wallet and if you go along with what they tell you they will get it.
Not legal advice.
Okay. Say you haven't acquired a license. Say you don't have a plate.
How much money do you think you are going to have to spend to defend yourself, and how many times are you going to get arrested for refusing to comply?
It is also a state felony in some states.
Just saying it can be done if you know what you're doing.
I have been down that road and it is difficult but not impossible.
The state has their tentacles in everything we do but there are ways to get around it if you dig deep enough.
I identify the as natural remedies.... the fda can keep their feckin drugs!
Go to Mexico
FDA = Fuckin' Dumb Asses
Yes.
LOL
They have zero lawmaking power....
It wouldn’t matter if they did. We shall do as we wish in spite of their so called ‘legal system’.
They're not using lawmaking power. They're using 100+ -year-old regulatory authority under the Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act. They have the power to do this.
Exactly.
I trust homeopathic more than big Pharma.
1000000%!!
If it would not work, they would not try to oullaw it!
Do exactly as you’ve been doing and don’t even acknowledge the FDA for one more second of your life.
Exactly. They can't come in every yard and kill the plants you have growing there. Learn the art of making tinctures and teas and make What you need.
🤣 “if I’m an “illegal” can I get free healthcare, etc. Love this!
You will need a burn permit
Good thing I have bought thousands and thousands of dollars worth. Won't run out for a while. Knew that was a coming.
That's a lot of homeopathies!
So the FDA now creates laws
https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=ddec8812-1174-41f4-880e-bed4cb861159
FDA can go fuck themselves with a chainsaw. An old school 2-stroke one with massive amounts of blowby and smoke.
Hey FDA, up yours.🖕
The FDA deliberately approves harmful products. I hardly think the FDA is a reliable authority to decide what should and should not be allowed to consumers. The FDA is a fraudulent money-laundering entity. To hell with the FDA.
Homeopathic products are governed by the same law as are other drugs per 21 USC 321(g)(1)(A) “articles recognized in the official USP, official Homoeopathic Pharmacopoeia of the United States or National Formulary, or any supplement.”.
Supplement here is not referring to dietary supplements, but supplements to the respective Pharmacopoeiae.
FDA could not with a broad stroke or regulation just take away homeopathic therapies without Congress first repealing this part of US Code.
Back in the 1930's when the FD&C Act was being debated/discussed homeopathic health providers prevailed on Congress to make certain that the emerging drug industry at that time would not de-legitimize homeopathic treatments.
A number of Congressmen at the time were under such providers' care taking homeopathic preparations, and they swore by them. A provision was made for homeopathics in law then, and it still exists in law today.
Garbage.
Never going to happen.
I WILL NOT COMPLY
FUCK THE FDA!!
so I just tell everyone on my product. NOT FDA APPROVED
That's a better marketing strategy than anything else.
Isn't homeopathy based on diluting some harmful substance to 1 part per million, and then hoping the body develops a resistance to it? At 1 ppm, maybe the substance given to the human doesn't even have the 1 part? Can this same logic be used to ban advertising of traditional vaccines?
Law of Similia. Law of Simplex. Law of Minimum. Doctrine of Drug Proving. Theory of Chronic Diseases. Theory of Vital Force. Doctrine of Drug Dynamisation.
These are the seven laws of homeopathy. When you create a homeopathy you dilute an original substance by a 1:10 ratio (X) or a 1:100 ratio (C). The more diluted the higher the potency and the more powerful the remedy. The first number indicates how many times the remedy was diluted and succussed. Examples are 3X, 12X, 30X, 200X up to 1M or 30C, 200C etc. This is all considered vibrational medicine and the highest remedies have no trace of the original substance but they have the vibrational memory of the original substance.
Some homeopathics are diluted further than 1 part in a million million million millions (ie 10^24). Not sure where the limit is
The dilutions vary based on the potency of the remedy.
Do you know how recent this is?
FDA Declares Homeopathy Illegal
https://anh-usa.org/fda-declares-homeopathy-illegal/
Zero sources listed.
Would this a blow back on the effectiveness of ivermectin?
I don’t know about ivermectin. Isn’t that considered a prescription in the USA? Could it be supplements like NAC and others that boost immunity. I don’t know what changed but several months ago big companies like Amazon and Walmart didn’t sell NAC. Now it’s on Amazon.
Ivermectin can be prescribed, but does not require one legally. That's how others are able to buy it without going to the doctor. is only regulated by how its supplied at this point. No law, mandate, or measure can stop the ability of the production of a drug, unless by way of damages incurred that are brought before a court of law. LEGALLY. Of course, its being done anyway, to restrict distribution. I still think the whole ivermectin jig was misdirection (intentional by big pharma) to drum up fear. Could it help? Sure, try it, if it works i hope it does well. The protocols hospitals used were unwarranted, but its not about the decision to take a drug, its about the ability to CONTROL THE DISTRIBUTION of the drug for these guys.
I have never had any trouble buying NAC.
Not necessarily. Her explanation isn't even coherent honestly, and FDA/CDC/anyone that is not in congress (State or US) or rare, unconstitutional action by EO, cannot make laws, pass referendums or create mandates to enforce on the populace. Its just hot air to drum up attention to buy products. The good ol' alex jones approach
So, they are making water illegal?
In some states it's illegal to capture rain water on your property yes.
Milk advertises health benefits. It gets strained, heated, and processed. Are they going to regulate breast milk from cows? I say yes they will unless they are stopped. Power, regulations and taxes never stop willingly. They must be stopped with an outside resistant force greater than the force pushing the expansion. Pressure will build until one of the two forces are gone
They have not been determined illegal...yet...but the FDA keeps trying.
A little background:
Last month the FDA issued a "final guidance" that describes how it intends to prioritize enforcement and regulatory actions for homeopathic drug products marketed in the U.S. without the required FDA approval. FDA’s risk-based approach will be used to prioritize enforcement and regulatory actions involving categories of products that FDA says may pose a higher risk to public health.
FDA noted that it anticipates that many homeopathic drug products will fall outside the categories of drug products that it intends to prioritize for enforcement and regulatory action.
This isn't the first time that "guidances" have been issued by the FDA regarding homeopathic remedies. The FDA has been on a crusade for several years, and it's disgraceful. Homeopathy and herbalism provide remedies. They are not drugs. They are not medicine. They are not pharmaceuticals.
The healing power of plants is critical to homeopathy, a form of natural medicine that sources from the earth, and plants form the basis of many homeopathic remedies, such as Arnica, Calendula, Chamomile, and St. John's Wort.
https://www.ropesgray.com/en/newsroom/alerts/2023/01/consumer-products-in-focus-new-ftc-and-fda-guidances-address-the-marketing-of-health-products
Should false advertising be legal? With respect to health claims, the line between what is "false advertising" vs what is not becomes blurry unless there is an authority that has the legal power to make the distinction. I think, I do not want someone to be able to trick me into buying something. In fact, I think I'd support stricter claim oversight.
.... eg. There should be stricter claim oversight in toothpaste, because currently no matter how tiny the amount of hydrogen peroxide is used in toothpaste, as long as there's a nonzero amount, they can still claim that it is whitening, despite the fact that the paste would probably fail a clinical trial on whitening ability. (According to my dentist)
Homeopathy has two meanings in modern English. (1) Super diluted to the point where it becomes just water. (2) An herbal or "home" remedy. Most people who attack homeopathy are referring to (1), whereas most people defending homeopathy are referring to (2). This makes for endless, unproductive, online arguments. The first type is akin to modern shamans or yogi treating illnesses with spirit crystals or other new-age products.
I'm all for herbal and home remedies. More studies should be done exploring these options. But I think it's okay to illegalize claims that a product which is 99.999999999% water can do anything other than "provide hydration".... Unless of course, it can be factually proven through a repeatable clinical study.
I know some people even here really do believe in the dilution-type homeopathy. Something to do with water-memory. But I really haven't seen any evidence beyond placebo-explanable anecdotes to convince me of their efficacy. I'm always open to change my mind if evidence suggests otherwise.
False advertising is the same as theft. A scam leading to an exchange where only one side fulfills their end of the exchange... Yes, after the vaccine fiasco, I'm as "disappointed" (putting it lightly) as you are with the FDA, but even if we don't have the FDA, we need the existence of some authority that can evaluate health-related claims for their truthfulness in advertising. Don't we? I'm open to alternatives if you have a better idea.
I guess one alternative would be to illegalize all marketing claims except those which are completely verifiably factual. No more statistical stuff in marketing. No more "whitening" toothpaste. The paste can say how much h2o2 it has, but any claims beyond that can come from your health care provider
I agree but the government doesn’t need to be the one policing this. They have proven over and over they can be bought. A company doesn’t have to tell what “natural flavors” are in products. That’s another can of worms. Natural flavors can be anything they choose. If I’m buying supplements or herbs in capsules I look for third party tested products.
I do not think your understanding and definition of homeopathy is accurate or displays any knowledge of the discipline of homeopathy. Most people that don't know or understand their subject tend to spout ludicrous claims and opinions that have no actual basis in the discipline they are discussing. If you go online you can find bona fide info on this healing methodology, which has a very rich, provable history.
Regarding my understanding, dilution-type homeopathy is a medicinal belief system largely about the vibrational memory of water of diluted substance. A bit reductionist, sure, but I'm not really wrong. At least that's the basic idea. If you think I'm mistaken, please specify. Otherwise, simply saying "you're wrong" is ... Not productive. Of course there's freedom of speech, so you can say whatever.
Regarding the actual content I wrote, and the verifiability of true homeopathy, (not the herbal remedy linguistic dual) if there has been a placebo controlled double blind RCT showing favoritism towards the homeopathy treatment, please let us know. I'm sure I'm not the only one that would be interested to learn something new
Your definition is much closer to reality here...
"dilution-type homeopathy is about the vibrational memory of water of diluted substance. "...excep the vibrational memory is of the original substance...water or combo water/ alcohol is strictly the substance used to dilute a substance to make a potenized remedy that can be put in a water or alcohol/water solution or can be used to potentize sugar pellets or tablets.
Unfortunately you are asking for information that people spend years learning. I listed the 7 foundations of homeopathy in a comment farther down. There are many sites online that explain homeopathy and the laws that govern it. There are books written, courses taught and much information on the discipline of homeopathics...WAY too much info to condense here. I would have to research but all homeopathics have proving and there are materia medical that contain these provings, which is the basis for treatment.
I will give you one very clear example of an effective homeopathic. The remedy Apis uses a bee as the original substance...prepared homeopathically by dilution and succussing. We then have a ...say Apis 30X remedy. I get stung by a bee...exhibiting a certain set of symptoms. The law of similars states whatever causes a disease cures the disease. So I take the 30X Apis remedy under my tongue and the stinging and redness goes away. If it comes back, I repeat the remedy...you stop taking when the symptoms are ameliorated. Now say I have a stinging, red, burning sore throat...Apis 30X would also be effective. That is a brief explanation...homeopathy is a bona-fide discipline of study and if you are interested in it you can find many good books and articles online. Dana Uhlmam (sp?) is an excellent author.
I appreciate the thoughtful reply. I'll look into it
The authority on false advertising should be a court of law on a case per case basis. Not some group who aren't accountable to the people they're supposedly "protecting" who can make up whatever they want.
Good rundown. I try to tell people, big pharma as a business model is the problem. not the chemical compounds their researchers create. Its just a form of high level alchemy; without the fear tactics, the predatory business, and the censorship, there is nothing technically wrong with using pharmaceutical drugs. Its a personal choice. Everything has a risk. What made this complicated was complicity between mass media and NGO's telling people what they can and can't take. Homeopaths use this same fear against the populace to sell their product, which as you said, isn't intended to work, but to sell.
Hmmm, name checks out......
In what way may i ask? lel
I don't wish to be insulting but your comments have been...........shilly
Well you might want to "Take it back" and understand I've used this psuedonym since 2004, before you possibly even considered using one. I use the same one intentionally. It was born from playing first person shooters and RPGs, and migrated with me every where I've went. Kind of the opposite of what shills do, but it's trendy to just call people shills when they have no evidence of shilling. I get it constantly on here, it's okay.
Also, since you've pointed it out, what's "shilly" about what I'm saying? I'm literally saying don't pick sides and evaluate things personally. Shills do the opposite of that. Duh.
This won't stand. SCOTUS will smack it down just like they did to the EPA.
FDA doesn't make laws
Lol.. Lmao even.
Sorry i got distracted by the kid in the hallway and the golden retriever.
Just so you all know, there's a marketing war between "homeopathic" medicine and big pharma. Its intentional and its meant to drive sales and panic. One says the other is out to take advantage of you, when BOTH are guilty of it. Its another form of political shit shaming. Don't take either seriously exclusively. "holistic" and "integrative" therapy is the approach you need to take when concerning healthcare, which means you consider ALL angles of treatment and then decide for yourself which one is the best approach for you. There is no cookie cutter approach to healthcare. Thinking so is what prolongs the problem.
It appears that you know nothing about homeopathy and your opinions are not based on any understanding of the history and use of homeopathics. I appreciate your thoughts but from someone that has utilized homeopathics for over 40 years, I cannot disagree more with your estimation of homeopathy.
That is what we call intrinsic bias. I'm not shunning the methods homeopathy uses, im shunning its approach. Its fear mongering. Its, honestly, baseless claims. If its not guaranteed to work, is it really a remedy? Same goes for pharmaceuticals and how they call it "cures". If i take morning glory and it gives me an asthmatic attack and it gives you an erection, what claims are we truly basing this on? The difference is pharmaceuticals do have clinical trials. Though paid for and propped up by big business, they are at least there.
Edited because clowns and shills are not understanding what i'm saying. They are just seething at the fact that you HAVE to consider all angles, holistic healing. Why is that so offensive?
What is wrong with its' approach? ...you want to use it...use it. You don't want to use it..don't use it.
Same with pharmaceuticals. You can get an RX and not take it. No ones going to be upset. If that is what you mean. Tell the shills who hijacked the practice of homeopathy to stop trying to scare people from taking shit like aspirin. Its a joke. Not intended to be personal towards you
What shills have hijacked the practice of homeopathy...I am really trying to understand what you are talking about. Who scares people with homeopathics?
Nobodys saying they are being scared "with" homeopathics. The marketing strategy that many profitable homeopaths use is to turn away from pharmaceuticals SO THEY WILL USE THEIR PRODUCT. Its not to demean those who practice homeopathy in a good manner, big business hijacked the profession just as pharmaceuticals were.. They cry wolf about the FDA coming after them every year, then they don't. Take a quick internet search on it. Its laughable.
Kek!