Heavenly Father, we thank you for President Trump.
We ask Lord for a hedge of protection around him, his family and his campaign. We ask you to anoint his steps and every word from his mouth. We pray you give him strength, clarity, wisdom and boldness.
Expose and destroy all evil enemies that would attempt to come against him in every way. Bless him and give him victory in all the battles he will face. Father, please turn America back to the only GOD that has so richly blessed her and on which this nation was founded.
We give you all the praise, glory and honor. In the name of your Son Jesus Christ we pray. Amen.
Ok. Enough. St. Paul wrote in his letters how he prayed for the early Church. How many people approached Jesus in his earthly life for another? We are all aware that Jesus is the one Mediator. We ask our heavenly brothers and sisters to pray for us. Do you have a mom and dad? One of them was the boss. One was the soft touch. How many times did you go to the other one first to pave the way for you? My girls used to come to me with “Can you talk to Dad for us?” It’s much the same way with Our Lady and the Saints. Sinner as I am, I’m ashamed to approach Almighty God. There’s safety in numbers. I’ll rely on, and ask for, my heavenly friends to pray for me. You do you. I’ll do me. We’re all on the same side. And I’ll pray for you♥️🙏🏻♥️
We are called to be salt and light and test everything with scripture, including our own positions, not to be passive and say "you do you"
This is something you should seek and examine answer to by examining the scriptures and perhaps speaking with your qualified pastors or elders. Not for me but for yourself.
You are welcome to pray for me all you like. I have no problem with that. Again, this discussion is about praying TO angels, saints or anyone besides God. You keep making a basic category error.
Who said anything about praying TO anyone besides Jesus? I’m so fatigued regarding certain individuals who are unable to accept some of us actually ask those for help who have attained spiritual perfection and are enjoying the beatific vision of our Heavenly Father. I suggest you pluck the 2x4 out of your eye before you comment on the speck in mine. This conversation is going nowhere. You stay in your congregation and I’ll stay in mine. I’m done.
It's the experts that got us into this whole quagmire in the 1st place, silly.
BTW "...we humbly pray, and do thou oh prince...." is saying that we are praying (to God I presume) and ALSO requesting help of an archangel. It was brilliantly writing not to exclude anyone of any faith - except, of course, those that side with satan.
That didn't mean experts. That meant married men with obedient children that meet the biblical qualifications for pastors or elders as laid fourth in scripture.
You stepped right into a quagmire because of your ignorance.
I don't see anything wrong in what you are saying.
Of course we can request help from archangels! Worship only God but we are always free to ask anything of anyone. Trump wrote this in a brilliant way to not exclude anyone of any faith - (except, of course, those that side with satan.) He may be a Christian himself but he is a leader of not only Christians.
Okay give me ONE example from scripture of Jesus or the apostles or the OT prophets praying to anyone besides God or asking any angles or saints in heaven to pray / intercede for them that backs up that claim.
Thanks! Truth sounds like hate to those the hate truth.
People like you that know their scriptures get what I'm saying and understand the points I'm making and why I'm making them.... Not to be contentious, but because it's incredibly important for Christians.
Oh man.... You genuinely suck at understanding the Bible and Christianity. You really need to get into a solid church and under qualified leadership.
All Scripture is "God-breathed" (2 Timothy 3:16) and that holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit (2 Peter 1:21), the argument against the Bible as "just words of men" misunderstands the divine origin and authority of Scripture. Below is a point-by-point response to this argument:
Scripture is God-Breathed, Not Merely Words of Men
The claim that the Bible consists only of "words of men" ignores the essential doctrine that Scripture is divinely inspired. According to 2 Timothy 3:16, "All Scripture is breathed out by God" (ESV). This means that while human authors wrote the Bible, they did so under the direct inspiration of the Holy Spirit. The Bible is not just a collection of human thoughts; it is the Word of God, authoritative and inerrant.
Response: God used human instruments to pen His Word, but those words are not the product of mere human wisdom or opinion. Rather, as Peter explains, "no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone’s own interpretation. For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit" (2 Peter 1:20-21). Therefore, the Bible is both fully the Word of God and trustworthy for all matters of faith and practice.
God's Revelation in Scripture is Complete and Sufficient
The argument suggests that relying on the Bible limits God to a "box" or formula. However, Reformed theology teaches that God's revelation through Scripture is complete and sufficient. The Bible is not exhaustive of all of God’s knowledge, but it is sufficient for guiding believers in all aspects of faith, worship, and life. This principle is known as the sufficiency of Scripture.
Response: Scripture itself teaches that God's revelation in His Word is sufficient for our faith: "His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us to His own glory and excellence" (2 Peter 1:3). The Bible contains everything necessary for understanding God’s will and for spiritual growth. Far from limiting God, the Bible reveals God’s will, pointing us to His sovereign plan for salvation, through which the Holy Spirit works in the lives of believers.
God’s Spirit and God’s Word are Not in Conflict
The argument claims that one should "rely on the spirit of God within" rather than the written Word. However, from a Reformed Baptist perspective, there is no conflict between the Holy Spirit and the Word of God. The Holy Spirit does not speak apart from Scripture but rather works through the Word to illuminate, convict, and guide believers.
Response: Jesus Himself declared that the Spirit of truth would guide His followers "into all the truth" (John 16:13), which the apostles and prophets then recorded in the Scriptures. The Holy Spirit continues to work through those Scriptures today, teaching us and revealing the truths of God. Hebrews 4:12 says, "For the word of God is living and active," showing that God's Word is not a dead letter but a living, powerful instrument by which the Spirit convicts and transforms. To separate the Spirit from the Word is to misunderstand the way in which God has chosen to reveal and work through His Word.
Jesus Christ Affirms the Authority of Scripture
Christ Himself affirmed the authority and sufficiency of Scripture. When confronted with temptation, Jesus responded by quoting Scripture, saying, "It is written..." (Matthew 4:4, 7, 10). He taught that "not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished" (Matthew 5:18), upholding the authority and eternal relevance of the written Word of God.
Response: If Jesus Christ, the living Word of God, relied on and affirmed the authority of Scripture, how can we argue that trusting in the Bible is "putting God in a box"? Far from limiting God, Scripture is the very means by which He reveals Himself to us. To claim that we should bypass the Bible in favor of relying on a subjective sense of the "Spirit within" opens the door to error, as our own perceptions and feelings are prone to sin and distortion.
Warnings Against Subjective "Revelations" Apart from Scripture
Relying on an internal "spirit of God within" without the grounding of Scripture is dangerous, as it can lead to subjective and often contradictory views of God. Throughout church history, false teachings and heresies have arisen when people claimed to receive direct revelations apart from Scripture.
Response: The Bible warns against such reliance on personal feelings or supposed revelations that contradict the revealed Word of God. In Galatians 1:8, Paul warns: "But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed." The written Word provides an objective standard by which to measure all spiritual experiences and teachings, ensuring that we remain faithful to God's revealed truth.
The Holy Spirit Illuminates Scripture, Not Apart from It
It is true that the Holy Spirit dwells within believers, guiding and sanctifying them. However, the Spirit works primarily through the Word of God to lead Christians into truth. The Spirit and the Word are inseparable in the work of salvation and sanctification.
Response: Jesus said that the Holy Spirit would "teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you" (John 14:26). The Spirit's role is not to give new revelation outside of Scripture but to help believers understand and apply the Word that has already been revealed. Paul echoes this in 1 Corinthians 2:12-13, stating that we have received the Spirit "that we might understand the things freely given us by God." Therefore, far from limiting our reliance on the Spirit, the Bible is the very instrument through which the Spirit speaks to and guides us today.
Conclusion
The Bible, as God’s inspired and infallible Word, is not simply a collection of human ideas, but it is the very revelation of God, given to guide, correct, and instruct His people. To rely on the Bible is not to "put God in a box," but to trust in the authority of the means by which He has chosen to reveal Himself. The Holy Spirit works through Scripture to bring life, illumination, and transformation. As believers, we should hold fast to the Bible, knowing that it is the surest and most reliable source of God's will for our lives.
That’s wrong. The only mediator is Jesus Christ. Mary isn’t going to advocate for you before the Father. No angel would dare stand up to the Father for your sins. Only one can. Jesus. To confuse this is to completely misrepresent who Jesus is. And why God sent His son. So yea I agree enough. Enough of the..whatever this false god worship is..?
Serious question from someone raised catholic, first holy communion, confirmation, went to catholic school, etc. Not looking for an argument.
When you pray to Mary or Michael, do you do it audibly or do you pray silently? Because they're not omniscient, so if you're praying silently, they're not going to hear you.
And they're also not omnipresent, so unless they just happen to be hanging around your house or wherever you are, they're not going to hear you even if you are praying aloud.
And, ANYTHING YOU ASK THE FATHER GOD, FOR IN THE NAME OF JESUS, HE WILL GIVE IT YOU. NO other/ Pray to God in Jesus' name if you want your prayers answered.
When Jesus died on the cross the veil in the temple was torn in half by God showing that we had no other mediator between God the Father and us besides Christ. The role of even priests was dialed back. Jesus is our high priest. We confess our sins to Him.
How Old Is Your Church?
If you are a Lutheran, your religion was founded by Martin Luther, an ex- monk of the Catholic Church, in the year 1517.
If you belong to the Church of England, your religion was founded by King Henry VIII in the year 1534 because the Pope would not grant him a divorce with the right to remarry.
If you are a Presbyterian, your religion was founded by John Knox in Scotland in the year 1560.
If you are a Protestant Episcopalian, your religion was an offshoot of the Church of England founded by Samuel Seabury in the American colonies in the 17th century.
If you are a Congregationalist, your religion was originated by Robert Brown in Holland in 1582.
If you are a Methodist, your religion was launched by John and Charles Wesley in England in 1744.
If you are a Unitarian, Theophilus Lindley founded your church in London in 1774.
If you are a Mormon (Latter Day Saints), Joseph Smith started your religion in Palmyra, N.Y., in 1829.
If you are a Baptist, you owe the tenets of your religion to John Smyth, who launched it in Amsterdam in 1605.
If you are of the Dutch Reformed church, you recognize Michaelis Jones as founder, because he originated your religion in New York in 1628.
If you worship with the Salvation Army, your sect began with William Booth in London in 1865.
If you are a Christian Scientist, you look to 1879 as the year in which your religion was born and to Mrs. Mary Baker Eddy as its founder.
If you belong to one of the religious organizations known as 'Church of the Nazarene," "Pentecostal Gospel." "Holiness Church," "Pilgrim Holiness Church," "Jehovah's Witnesses," your religion is one of the hundreds of new sects founded by men within the past century.
If you are Catholic, you know that your religion was founded in the year 33 by Jesus Christ the Son of God, and it is still the same Church.
I don’t get why people pray to the Archangel. They do God’s bidding. If you wanna pray to someone, pray to God/Jesus. The archangels don’t work for us. Only God answers prayers. Only God can make promises. Anyone else is lying. Anyone else has intentions of their own.
So Donald Trump is asking for your prayers. Are you going to tell him that our prayers are useless and he should go ask Jesus to take care of everything? I don’t know what you’re going to do but I do. I’m going to pray for him and ask God to protect him.
If your prayers are to false gods then yes, your prayers are going nowhere. Only God can answer prayers. Michael isn’t God. Mary isn’t God. Jesus is your connection to the Father. Do you not believe in Jesus? If you do and understand His teachings, even if only barely, He is the only way. Not angels. Not trees. Not humans. Jesus. So yes, ask, pray in Jesus’s name of you want to have access to the Father. And even a glimpse of answered prayers. It’s His will be done. No one else’s.
Hardly. By that standard the Apostles were being contentious for correcting theological issues between churches / believers.
This isn't about me, this is about God's word.
It's a pretty important issue ... Should we pray to God exclusively as we see demonstrated in scripture or should we also pray to angels and saints which we do not see in scripture?
Because if the second position is wrong that means those prayers to unheard and unanswered. That's a very big deal.
The fact that you have to make a personal attack instead of appealing to scripture shows how indefensible your position is and where the pride truly lies.
They are being contentious for the sake of sounding holier than others.
No they are not and YOU just passed judgement on them by presuming what their intent was! I can tell you for a fact that I argue against these practices because I know they are wrong!
Satan has made his way into both the catholic church and some protestant churches. But the biblical protestant churches are far more like the early church that Paul and the apostles spoke of and ministered to than the catholic church.
Ok, which one of the 45,000 Protestant denominations that have come into existence within the past 500 years, do you belong to & how do you know your particular flavor of Protestantism got it right?
I don't have a denomination. I'm a bible believing Christian. That's all I need. Like the apostles.
And I don't know where you got that 45k figure, but I highly doubt there are anywhere near that number. Unless you consider each individual church its own denomination.
I chant it over and over, mostly in my mind, while working outside, making firewood, walking, etc. But sometimes also quietly.
There is a city in eastern Finland named for this most glorious archangel. Marshall Mannerheim had his HQ there when fighting the Communists who invaded tiny Finland, fighting against such odds to retain her independence.
Today, 9/29 is Mikkelinpäivä, Michael's Day. There is a saying in Finnish:
Mitä ilmaa Mikkeliin, sitä sitten Köyriin.
"Whatever the weather is on Michael's Day, it will be until Koyri." Or Kekri--10/31, halfway between autumn equinox and winter solstice.
You do understand only God and Jesus can hear your prayers in your head. Not even the devil can hear your silent prayers. Which means neither can an archangel. God answers prayers. Jesus is the connection. Why pray to the created and not the creator?
He does know. And you would rather pray to a creation of His, than to Him directly? Then why did God send His only Son to die? So we can pray to Michael? Why not pray to a tree. Or the sun? Maybe your tennis shoes? All God’s creations. See what I mean? An angle is a creation. Like me and you are. The scripture, Jesus lays it out very well. What did Christ do? Did Jesus pray to the Earth at the garden of Gethsemane? Did he pray to the sky to heal a blind man? Name one time when Jesus prayed for an angle to help Him? Never happened. So if Jesus is the only path to God, then why would anyone pray to an angle for help? If anything praying to another source outside of Christ and the Father is idolatry. And straight up wrong. God killed over 3,000 when they were praying to a golden calf.
That’s still praying to someone who ISN’T God. Which is a false idol. An angle isn’t going to do anything for you. Not until God commands it to. So again….why are you praying to an angle of the Lord? Key words, THE LORD.
We're called to "contend for the faith" though. And I agree and also contend that we are not supposed to pray to angels. Unless God sends one to visit us with some message, or we are casting one out of someone who's possessed, I don't even think we're supposed to talk to them at all...
I’m helping you. As Christians we are to help others. And especially those in our own home of faith.
Galatians 6:10. “As we therefore have opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith"
If I see fellow Christian’s worshipping, that which isn’t God. I’m helping you. To pray to an angel is NOT what’s commanded of you. Remember the most important command that Jesus told you. And then remember the second. This is why I’m speaking up. Also in Galatians 6:2– “ Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.”
Keyword "burden". It can refer to a character flaw, a struggle, or a moral requirement. I’m helping you. You don’t want to stand before the Father, and have prayed to those who cannot help you. Only Jesus is your advocate to the Father. And what was said about that? In Matthew 10:33, essentially means that if you publicly reject Jesus on Earth, he will also reject you before God in heaven; it emphasizes the importance of openly professing your faith in Jesus. Faith in Jesus…not angels and humans. I’m helping you.
Who has direct access to the throne that advocates for you? The Bible is clear who that is. I know, you tell me. Anyone else advocating for you is made up fantasy. It wasn’t written, therefore false teachings.
You honestly think God needs armies? The creator. The alpha and omega. With no beginning and no end. Eternal. We ain’t talking an old man with a nice hair part. We’re talking about the true King.
So you’re just gonna change the subject? Yes, fellow Christians can pray with you. But we aren’t discussing that here. We are discussing praying to those for help, that isn’t God. Why change the subject?
1 Kings 8:39 says, "then hear in heaven your dwelling place, and forgive, and do, and render unto every man according to all his ways, whose heart thou knowest; (for thou, even thou only, knowest the hearts of all the children of men”
God knows your heart. As in your mind, inner thoughts. The devil can read you like a book tho. The devil can show you a beautiful woman, and your mind will do the rest. The devil knows our hearts, he understands them. Our hearts can be evil. But only God possess the power to truly know you. And what your made of. Heart and mind.
Thank you, that actually clarifies a question I've had for a long time. At one point I was being spiritually attacked and it SEEMED like the devil could hear my silent prayers and then counter them with his own bs. But that was my own mind operating on the fears the devil had already seeded, taking them to their logical conclusions, operating within the framework the devil had set up there. It's good to have this closure on the matter, now I can have more confidence towards God in prayer. (I had been leaning more and more towards this conclusion but to hear it from someone else + a solid scripture puts me over the edge)
As my wife says a lot, say it out loud…to rebuke Satan. In Jesus’s name I rebuke you devil. Then saying out loud, give prayers to Jesus to rebuke this evil. Say it nice and loud so the devil gets a ear full. It works. I mean you don’t have to scream it and scare the neighbors…but basically use your voice.
Yea as a new Christian a few years ago, I didn’t know the devil couldn’t read my mind either. I felt like he was in my head constantly. I eventually learned through lessons or scripture and church that it’s was more me, my mind doing what it does, but being manipulated by the devil. The devil calls us by our sins constantly. Jesus would never do this. There are many videos that helps in learning to decipher “the voice” we hear. From the Holy Spirit and not the enemy. But we are hit humans. We have to have daily prayer and “walk in the spirit”, as Paul talks about in the Bible. When our focus is on Jesus more, it silences the evil that surrounds us.
Put it this way the devil has millenia of experience reading human nature and tendencies so essentially he's making really good guesses based on how we have acted in the past as well as his knowledge of humankind. That's best explanation I've ever heard
Thank God lol. So it's a one-way valve with that bugger. I wonder if it's a two-way for someone who is possessed, like the ones Christ cast the demons out of... is it possible for a Christian to be possessed? I've been told it isn't since we have the holy Spirit and the devil can't get near it
Lol when I first got born again I was of course into all these various preachers etc and they had me rebuking left and right like mad! Everything up in that house was getting a thorough rebuking! 😭 it was kinda manic. When I discovered "the Lord rebuke you satan" I let that stuff go, gave it to Jesus. That verse is one of the main reasons I don't talk to angels or demons or any of that now. Just my Saviour and Heavenly Father
Amen. Is it possible for a Christian to be possessed..hmm. I mean me personally, I would say no, for the reasons you stated, buuut, that one movie called The exorcist of Emily Rose. If you haven’t seen it, don’t watch it. I’m telling ya it invites evil. But she, supposedly, was a Christian, Catholic. And she got severely possessed. Show is crazy. I can’t watch it. I’ve watched it once since I’ve became a Christian and I’m telling you, I was attacked that night, severely. I’m a grown man, not any weakling, and I was the most afraid I’ve ever been in my life. Shedding tears and praying repeatedly to Jesus. My sins were being called all over me. The remarks I heard…and I mean heard. Not in my head. I’m getting chills typing this, so ima stop but. So I don’t know really. I would say no. The protection from God is to great. But we have to stay focused. Look to Jesus. We can’t fight these battles. But we can pray to the one who can and will, because he loves us so much.
Yea it was terrible. But as far as possessed. I’m just not sure a Christian can be possessed. I mean I understand not all Christians, who say they are, are Christians. Therefore some could get possessed and confuse people. It’s just something I’m not familiar with. But being attacked, as you say oppressed. Yeah, that stuff is real.
Ah yeah I don't watch things like that. The closest I get would be something like Stranger Things, but even that was causing spiritual doors to open that should probably not be open. There's just no point beyond watching it to understand what the world is being fed, so as to help them later. Same with watching the MSM. After a while It'll degrade your mind that you are supposed to be renewing (Romans 12) so you need to be strong and also need a reason to be watching it beyond just entertainment or God-forbid, to actually consume the content as truths
I don't know why anyone believes angels can hear them? Unless they are praying out loud, of course. But even then, angels aren't omnipresent, so unless Michael is hanging out at their house with them, he's not hearing it. It probably embarrasses him that people do that.
Given to us by the Holy Catholic Church.
Unlike the Scriptures edited by Martin Luther, Catholics have seven books that were removed by the Protestants.
To as your many replies…there is no denomination mentioned in the Bible. The church, is the bride of Christ. That is what is mentioned. Catholics try to use one line of scripture, of Peter being the “rock”, to justify an entire belief system based, not on the teachings of Christ. Not all.
Understand Peter being labeled as “the rock”, is comical. Because even as Jesus states and refers to, Peter was anything but a rock, lol. But he was amazing in his belief in Jesus. But he is not to be worshipped. Peter cannot save you. He cannot advocate for you. This is basic scripture. Peter’s teachings and actions are those of his teacher and master. Jesus. That’s who gets the praise and credit. Amazing how many people Catholics place in between God and themselves. There is no one between you and Jesus. The live for Him should make it look like you hate your own family members. Luke 14:26
I am of no denomination. I’m a Christian. I have a teacher. And a book with His Word. I am apart of the church and Jesus refers to. The bride. No priest or preacher stands before my God. No man in a booth that forgives me. Only God can forgive me. You should learn the difference between man’s law, and God’s law.
Protestants simply remove books that they don’t agree with in order to justify their new, altered religion. That is why Protestant bibles continue to be missing 7 books.
I see a lot familiarities between Protestant & Jews. They both reject the divinity of the Lords mother & they both reject the Greek apocrypha to prevent Christian’s re-uniting under ONE Apostolic Church & preventing Jews from discovering the truth & converting. I can’t help but to think that the early Protestant revolution was largely influenced by Jews in order to weaken Christendom.
Here we are now, 500 years later, we are seeing Zionist Protestants being dragged by the nose to instigate WWIIl for their Zionist elders. I don’t think this is all a coincidence.
She is the mother of god prophesied in the Old Testament. she is the virgin who shall conceive and bear a son, whose name shall be called Emmanuel (cf. Is 7:14; Mic 5:2-3; Mt 1:22-23).
Adam & eve were our fallen ancestor. Jesus & Mary are the new Arc of salvation & she was the vessel that was prophesied about.
If she wasn’t important, why would Jews go through the effort of defaming her & calling her whore, according to the Babylonian Talmud? A Protestant Christian take pause & ought to ask themselves “why do Jews hate Mother Mary so much?… perhaps she is special & we do ourselves a spiritual disservice by trivializing her”.
And who removed those books….the Catholic Church. Your pope. Here a bit from history for you. When something fails, it was never meant to be. It wasn’t from or for God. When the Catholic Church fails, as it doing very fashionable today, you will then understand, it was never meant to be. They said that about Jesus back in the day. The Pharisees, after the death of James, said look, if this Jesus is who they say He is, his ministry will continue, if it’s against God, it will fall away just like all then other false teachers before Him. Boy did they miss that one. LoL.
So, saying that this is simple. As people learn that certain “churches” are misrepresenting God’s Word, they are failing. As they should. If it’s meant to be, then it will be. God’s Word is clear. The teachings of Jesus are clear. The path is visible, walking it is the battle.
Dude, the Catholic Church assembled the Bible & the Bible remained untouched, unedited for centuries until Martin Luther took it upon himself to edit the Bible & remove books! The books he removed were first formally appeared in the Synod of Carthage in 397.
It’s shameful that Protestant don’t know their own history! Luther was removing so many books, his own followers had to restrain him, LOL.
Luther did say we wished he could throw James in the fire. This is the grand daddy that all Protestants gather rebellious angst from.
It amazes me that modern day Catholics are very similar to the Pharisees of back in the day. Man’s laws. Lineage. History. Maybe read the Bible. I know that isn’t recommended for you, but you’d learn something.
You might consider this to be to big an ask, but if you would, please educate me a bit on these 7 books. Can you give me a synopsis of what they teach? For instance, we know that Paul's writings to the various churches were about instruction, correction, upholding faith, his many travels as well as travails. So if one or more of those books is similar in nature, you could just say, it's a missions book like Paul's. But if there is anything significantly different, like a completely different doctrinal spin, or something that really stands out to you, please give me a synopsis. Thanks.
You can begin by studying the books of the Maccabee’s removed by Luther. In this book, Maccabee’s army pray for the souls of their fallen brethren who had died with pagan idols in their possession.
This book was removed because it spoke eluded to Purgatory & praying for intercession on behalf of our beloved loved ones that have passed on, which Luther did not agree with.. because you know, reasons.
Not exactly. Many can hear. Even some humans can 'mind read' & etc. I can sometimes read the thoughts & prayers of others. God is most powerful, yes. God alone is to be worshiped, yes. For us , anyways. There are some out there who worship Satan. That's what this whole battle about. If Satan can't hear their 'prayers' then why does the cabal have any power at all? I am afraid you are wrong, many can hear.
We can banish the devil with Jesus's name, yes, this is true. If so we can ask that the devil can not read our prayers & I suppose if you wanted to, you could ask the same for any other archangel, but why? "...we humbly pray, and do thou oh prince of the heavenly hosts, by the power of God, cast into hell Satan,......" This says that we are praying and we are also requesting the assistance of the mighty archangel. Worship belongs to God alone (for us) but you can request anything from anyone, including archangels. This was brilliantly written by Trump so that people of any faith can join us here. Though he is a Christian, he is a leader of not just Christians.
If I see some birds in a tree, flying around, singing..doing bird things. I get an idea. I’m gonna go throw bread crumbs and see if they fly down when I throw them on the ground under them. Now, what do you think will happen? Can I read their minds? No. Do I understand how they think? Yes. This is what the devil can do. He understand you, very well. He can read you. The devil knows if he gets a beautiful woman to come across your screen, your mind will do the rest. Doesn’t mean he can read your thoughts. He knows how you think, but not literally. Now, those birds may not be dumb enough to go after those crumbs. They may understand that I’m a threat and just fly away. Or they’ll do exactly what I want the to do. Manipulation. Temptation. This is what the devil does. Doesn’t make you a mind reader. And, it’s written in scripture that only God can read the hearts and minds. So no, not angels, not people. And yes, of course of God allows someone to. But again, that power belongs to the creator.
I upvoted you because you made a good argument however, I still disagree to some extent.
What does it mean to "read minds?" It means to know what they are thinking, right? So one could say that I can sometimes read the minds of birds but I sometimes get it wrong too. It sort of depends on what people mean by the phrase "read minds"
People are more complex. There are people you know so well that you can pretty much read their minds. Not always, but often. Does it matter that it has to do with a tiny inflection or facial muscle twitch. It's still reading the mind, isn't it? Maybe even machines can read our mind (Like the lie detector machine)
Maybe it is possible to actually read minds too. In the old days (before cell phones or caller id) it was often the case that, when the phone rang, we just knew that ring sounded like a certain person & it was usually correct. At least with me. Yes, I think people are a lot more psychic than they realize. I do think we can read minds to some extent. Have you ever looked at someone from a distance, even through glass & they look back? Happens all the time doesn't it? If you don't believe me go to a random place where you don't know anyone and sit in a window somewhere where many passerby's can see you through the window & without moving your head a bit, look into the eyes of people of the opposite gender & count how many times they look back. (Watch out that you don't creep anyone out though) Detectives know this & learn not to do it so not to let the followed person to know (but to rather follow them by watching their feet)
Yes, we do have some capability to read minds, some more than others but, of course, no one can read everyone's mind all the times, except God.
After thinking this all out, though, I was thinking it might be a good idea to ask God to prevent demons from being able to read our mind! That might be a good prayer
To me reading someone mind would be like, let’s say I was looking at a blank wall, or even looking out a window. What am I thinking about? Well that could be anything. God knows those thoughts. Now if I’m looking at tools, or guns or something similar, you’ll narrow it down pretty quick. Say I’m looking at a candy bar…my thoughts could be narrowed down to like “wow that’s expensive!” Or “dang, that looks good”. But looking out a window of a car I could be thinking about literally anything. A bird in a tree doesn’t have complex thoughts compared to us. It’s pretty basic. We could figure it out just by throwing some crackers on the ground. To Satan, not to give that fool of a shepherd any credit but, he’s very smart and crafty. And much much more intelligent than we are. We have zero chance going up against the actions of the devil. But, those who have Jesus and have God’s protection and advice/wisdom from the Holy Spirit, the devil has a much harder time because he isn’t all powerful. He doesn’t have those abilities. No angel does. Unless gifted from God himself.
Oh Donald Trump. Oh how I hope you come to know the Lord Jesus. And the Word of God. Angels are amazing, but they don’t answer your prayers. The mother Mary can’t save you. Only God and the free gift God gave you by sending His son Jesus for mine and your sins. And by accepting God’s perfect sacrifice, His Son Jesus, and believing that Jesus died upon that cross, was buried in a tomb, and rose to life three days later and defeated death once and for all. Then you can be saved and spend eternity with our Father in Heaven. You don’t have to pray to angels or anyone other than Jesus and our Father in Heaven. Place nothing between you and your relationship with Christ. Nothing else. Only you can save. Only you can defeat the evil one. Only you Lord can we have faith in. And I thank you for saving my life and that of my family. All these things and prayers are in your name Jesus that we pray. Amen.
Sure enough. This dang autocorrect. I caught them earlier, I kept constantly having to backup and type angels over and over. Why is my phone doing this! I’ll try and edit the ones left. Thanks for letting me know. Or not rather. But yay.
Oh my. You honestly believe that's when it started? I'd say it started when Jesus was here. And Paul and the apostles spread it through their missions work and church planting.
Don't worry fren today is the "feast day" the Catholics have given archangel Michael (they labelled him a Saint) so Trump is just reminding them who to vote for
To me this is the only reason Trump posted this. As a comms. Not to actually pray to an angel instead of God. That’s would be ignorant. If I’m wrong, then Trump needs some Sunday school lessons about God and why He sent His son Jesus. And false idols and idolatry. And wrath. Gotta be a comms reference imo.
Perhaps Q is a Catholic operation & Protestantism was a movement begun by the New World Order 500 years ago to divide the Body of Christ & destroy the Church begun his Apostles & civilization that it created.
been praying for his safety ever since he came down that dang escalator. its funny too, because I keep thinking of that scene in the godfather where vito is looking to end that war so he can bring michael home. he warns his adversaries that should any accident befall his last son, "God forbid he should be struck by lightening", he would take it as an attack from these guys. some how, we should be putting forth the same message to the left...
LET US PRAY God bless President Donald Trump, his wife, family, the person that the shooter killed, Steven Bannon, legal team, friends, Q followers, the Voters that support Trump, the Military that supports the Constitution and Trump, Law Enforcement that too supports the Constitution and Trump, most of all Trumps security team and their families too, God Bless America, Bless the missing children and you the reader Too.🙏
September 29th is the traditional Feast of St. Michael in the Catholic Church, now it has been renamed Feast of the Archangels Michael, Gabriel and Raphael.
All of us fighting the good fight will need heavenly protection! They will deploy all their assets against those trying to wake up the masses! I know what I speak about because I've been through the snares! Only those that have true love from their family make it through! Spiritual warfare changes your understanding forever! Putting on the Full Armor of God becomes evident!
A- We've been researching and finding out our history over the past 150 years has been tragically twisted. Therefore it's reasonable to believe over the past 2k years there may have been "changes". While everyone has their own insights and personal beliefs, please keep this in mind.
B- Let's land this bird together. Then we can do the theological factfinding mission with a lot less friction, and something tells me a lot of clarity will be provided in the near future.
Just sayin, since there's nothing the cabal likes better than splitting us up to fight each other.
Heavenly Father, we thank you for President Trump.
We ask Lord for a hedge of protection around him, his family and his campaign. We ask you to anoint his steps and every word from his mouth. We pray you give him strength, clarity, wisdom and boldness.
Expose and destroy all evil enemies that would attempt to come against him in every way. Bless him and give him victory in all the battles he will face. Father, please turn America back to the only GOD that has so richly blessed her and on which this nation was founded.
We give you all the praise, glory and honor. In the name of your Son Jesus Christ we pray. Amen.
A much better and more biblical prayer than praying to an angel.
God / Jesus is our mediator. We pray to Him and He commands the angels on our behalf.
There is no example in scripture of praying to angels, saints or anyone besides God. That all came later and conflicts with scripture:
1 Timothy 2:5
Ok. Enough. St. Paul wrote in his letters how he prayed for the early Church. How many people approached Jesus in his earthly life for another? We are all aware that Jesus is the one Mediator. We ask our heavenly brothers and sisters to pray for us. Do you have a mom and dad? One of them was the boss. One was the soft touch. How many times did you go to the other one first to pave the way for you? My girls used to come to me with “Can you talk to Dad for us?” It’s much the same way with Our Lady and the Saints. Sinner as I am, I’m ashamed to approach Almighty God. There’s safety in numbers. I’ll rely on, and ask for, my heavenly friends to pray for me. You do you. I’ll do me. We’re all on the same side. And I’ll pray for you♥️🙏🏻♥️
Huge category error and logical fallacy.
There's a massive difference between asking someone to pray for you and praying to someone / something to intercede / meditate on your behalf.
If you choose to be separated from God then you are under deception. Shame isn't from God, it's an attack from the devil.
You do you. When we see God face to face it’ll be sorted out. Until then you’ll continue in my prayers.
"you do you" isn't a Christian position.
We are called to be salt and light and test everything with scripture, including our own positions, not to be passive and say "you do you"
This is something you should seek and examine answer to by examining the scriptures and perhaps speaking with your qualified pastors or elders. Not for me but for yourself.
You are welcome to pray for me all you like. I have no problem with that. Again, this discussion is about praying TO angels, saints or anyone besides God. You keep making a basic category error.
Who said anything about praying TO anyone besides Jesus? I’m so fatigued regarding certain individuals who are unable to accept some of us actually ask those for help who have attained spiritual perfection and are enjoying the beatific vision of our Heavenly Father. I suggest you pluck the 2x4 out of your eye before you comment on the speck in mine. This conversation is going nowhere. You stay in your congregation and I’ll stay in mine. I’m done.
Oh. My. Gosh.
THATS WHAT THIS POST AND COMMENT THREAD IS ABOUT.
No wonder this conversation was going nowhere. You were lost.
Please pay attention before stumbling into conversations and changing the subject without letting anyone else know you are not on the same page.
What a waste of time
Your discussion is about argument and accusing others of not being good enough Christians while the thread is about praying for DJT and nothing more.
What a slanderous misrepresentation.
I encourage every to pray for DJT.... EFFECTIVELY to GOD as scripture instructs us.
Stop eating your own.
If I was "eating" them you'd know it. Trust me. This was insult free and mild toned argumentation.
Scripture teaches us "A wise man receives correction" and Christians should teach and correct each other. Iron sharpens iron.
It also has a verse that's very relevant to you... Proverbs 26:17
Qualified pastors or elders???!!! kek
It's the experts that got us into this whole quagmire in the 1st place, silly.
BTW "...we humbly pray, and do thou oh prince...." is saying that we are praying (to God I presume) and ALSO requesting help of an archangel. It was brilliantly writing not to exclude anyone of any faith - except, of course, those that side with satan.
whoosh
That didn't mean experts. That meant married men with obedient children that meet the biblical qualifications for pastors or elders as laid fourth in scripture.
You stepped right into a quagmire because of your ignorance.
I don't see anything wrong in what you are saying.
Of course we can request help from archangels! Worship only God but we are always free to ask anything of anyone. Trump wrote this in a brilliant way to not exclude anyone of any faith - (except, of course, those that side with satan.) He may be a Christian himself but he is a leader of not only Christians.
Okay give me ONE example from scripture of Jesus or the apostles or the OT prophets praying to anyone besides God or asking any angles or saints in heaven to pray / intercede for them that backs up that claim.
I'll wait.
This
If you exclude the parts of prayer to false gods, like the priests of baals prayer to bring down fire, all prayer in scripture is to God or Christ.
Why didn't the disciples pray TO Elijah?
He was raptured to heaven so we know he is alive. The disciples never did it once!
But, there are verses in scripture warning not to pray to people that have died, that includes the saints.
Shhhh handshake. I wasn't making fun of anyone.
But now I will....
You're kinda dumb. My proof is what we see in scripture and what we see demonstrated by Jesus, the apostles and clear as day verses like 1 Timothy 2:5
You have no proof. None. Zero. Zilch. Nada.
Just "maybe" "it's possible"
I don't deal in "what ifs" when it comes to God's Word.
I like you Anon, keep fighting for the Biblical truth
Thanks! Truth sounds like hate to those the hate truth.
People like you that know their scriptures get what I'm saying and understand the points I'm making and why I'm making them.... Not to be contentious, but because it's incredibly important for Christians.
Oh man.... You genuinely suck at understanding the Bible and Christianity. You really need to get into a solid church and under qualified leadership.
All Scripture is "God-breathed" (2 Timothy 3:16) and that holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit (2 Peter 1:21), the argument against the Bible as "just words of men" misunderstands the divine origin and authority of Scripture. Below is a point-by-point response to this argument:
The claim that the Bible consists only of "words of men" ignores the essential doctrine that Scripture is divinely inspired. According to 2 Timothy 3:16, "All Scripture is breathed out by God" (ESV). This means that while human authors wrote the Bible, they did so under the direct inspiration of the Holy Spirit. The Bible is not just a collection of human thoughts; it is the Word of God, authoritative and inerrant.
Response: God used human instruments to pen His Word, but those words are not the product of mere human wisdom or opinion. Rather, as Peter explains, "no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone’s own interpretation. For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit" (2 Peter 1:20-21). Therefore, the Bible is both fully the Word of God and trustworthy for all matters of faith and practice.
The argument suggests that relying on the Bible limits God to a "box" or formula. However, Reformed theology teaches that God's revelation through Scripture is complete and sufficient. The Bible is not exhaustive of all of God’s knowledge, but it is sufficient for guiding believers in all aspects of faith, worship, and life. This principle is known as the sufficiency of Scripture.
Response: Scripture itself teaches that God's revelation in His Word is sufficient for our faith: "His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us to His own glory and excellence" (2 Peter 1:3). The Bible contains everything necessary for understanding God’s will and for spiritual growth. Far from limiting God, the Bible reveals God’s will, pointing us to His sovereign plan for salvation, through which the Holy Spirit works in the lives of believers.
The argument claims that one should "rely on the spirit of God within" rather than the written Word. However, from a Reformed Baptist perspective, there is no conflict between the Holy Spirit and the Word of God. The Holy Spirit does not speak apart from Scripture but rather works through the Word to illuminate, convict, and guide believers.
Response: Jesus Himself declared that the Spirit of truth would guide His followers "into all the truth" (John 16:13), which the apostles and prophets then recorded in the Scriptures. The Holy Spirit continues to work through those Scriptures today, teaching us and revealing the truths of God. Hebrews 4:12 says, "For the word of God is living and active," showing that God's Word is not a dead letter but a living, powerful instrument by which the Spirit convicts and transforms. To separate the Spirit from the Word is to misunderstand the way in which God has chosen to reveal and work through His Word.
Christ Himself affirmed the authority and sufficiency of Scripture. When confronted with temptation, Jesus responded by quoting Scripture, saying, "It is written..." (Matthew 4:4, 7, 10). He taught that "not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished" (Matthew 5:18), upholding the authority and eternal relevance of the written Word of God.
Response: If Jesus Christ, the living Word of God, relied on and affirmed the authority of Scripture, how can we argue that trusting in the Bible is "putting God in a box"? Far from limiting God, Scripture is the very means by which He reveals Himself to us. To claim that we should bypass the Bible in favor of relying on a subjective sense of the "Spirit within" opens the door to error, as our own perceptions and feelings are prone to sin and distortion.
Relying on an internal "spirit of God within" without the grounding of Scripture is dangerous, as it can lead to subjective and often contradictory views of God. Throughout church history, false teachings and heresies have arisen when people claimed to receive direct revelations apart from Scripture.
Response: The Bible warns against such reliance on personal feelings or supposed revelations that contradict the revealed Word of God. In Galatians 1:8, Paul warns: "But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed." The written Word provides an objective standard by which to measure all spiritual experiences and teachings, ensuring that we remain faithful to God's revealed truth.
It is true that the Holy Spirit dwells within believers, guiding and sanctifying them. However, the Spirit works primarily through the Word of God to lead Christians into truth. The Spirit and the Word are inseparable in the work of salvation and sanctification.
Response: Jesus said that the Holy Spirit would "teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you" (John 14:26). The Spirit's role is not to give new revelation outside of Scripture but to help believers understand and apply the Word that has already been revealed. Paul echoes this in 1 Corinthians 2:12-13, stating that we have received the Spirit "that we might understand the things freely given us by God." Therefore, far from limiting our reliance on the Spirit, the Bible is the very instrument through which the Spirit speaks to and guides us today.
Conclusion
The Bible, as God’s inspired and infallible Word, is not simply a collection of human ideas, but it is the very revelation of God, given to guide, correct, and instruct His people. To rely on the Bible is not to "put God in a box," but to trust in the authority of the means by which He has chosen to reveal Himself. The Holy Spirit works through Scripture to bring life, illumination, and transformation. As believers, we should hold fast to the Bible, knowing that it is the surest and most reliable source of God's will for our lives.
That’s wrong. The only mediator is Jesus Christ. Mary isn’t going to advocate for you before the Father. No angel would dare stand up to the Father for your sins. Only one can. Jesus. To confuse this is to completely misrepresent who Jesus is. And why God sent His son. So yea I agree enough. Enough of the..whatever this false god worship is..?
Stay in the subject.
Serious question from someone raised catholic, first holy communion, confirmation, went to catholic school, etc. Not looking for an argument.
When you pray to Mary or Michael, do you do it audibly or do you pray silently? Because they're not omniscient, so if you're praying silently, they're not going to hear you.
And they're also not omnipresent, so unless they just happen to be hanging around your house or wherever you are, they're not going to hear you even if you are praying aloud.
So how do you contend with that?
We have faith that our prayers are heard, we hope our prayers are heard, and we pray charitably. Faith, hope, charity.
And, ANYTHING YOU ASK THE FATHER GOD, FOR IN THE NAME OF JESUS, HE WILL GIVE IT YOU. NO other/ Pray to God in Jesus' name if you want your prayers answered.
Exactly.
When Jesus died on the cross the veil in the temple was torn in half by God showing that we had no other mediator between God the Father and us besides Christ. The role of even priests was dialed back. Jesus is our high priest. We confess our sins to Him.
Thankfully Trump is only pandering to Catholics on this. Today is "the feast of st. Michael the archangel"
They hand out feast days like Oprah hands out cars meme kek
It is the original Church after all.
Haha. Says you.
Says historical fact.
How Old Is Your Church? If you are a Lutheran, your religion was founded by Martin Luther, an ex- monk of the Catholic Church, in the year 1517.
If you belong to the Church of England, your religion was founded by King Henry VIII in the year 1534 because the Pope would not grant him a divorce with the right to remarry.
If you are a Presbyterian, your religion was founded by John Knox in Scotland in the year 1560.
If you are a Protestant Episcopalian, your religion was an offshoot of the Church of England founded by Samuel Seabury in the American colonies in the 17th century.
If you are a Congregationalist, your religion was originated by Robert Brown in Holland in 1582.
If you are a Methodist, your religion was launched by John and Charles Wesley in England in 1744.
If you are a Unitarian, Theophilus Lindley founded your church in London in 1774.
If you are a Mormon (Latter Day Saints), Joseph Smith started your religion in Palmyra, N.Y., in 1829.
If you are a Baptist, you owe the tenets of your religion to John Smyth, who launched it in Amsterdam in 1605.
If you are of the Dutch Reformed church, you recognize Michaelis Jones as founder, because he originated your religion in New York in 1628.
If you worship with the Salvation Army, your sect began with William Booth in London in 1865.
If you are a Christian Scientist, you look to 1879 as the year in which your religion was born and to Mrs. Mary Baker Eddy as its founder.
If you belong to one of the religious organizations known as 'Church of the Nazarene," "Pentecostal Gospel." "Holiness Church," "Pilgrim Holiness Church," "Jehovah's Witnesses," your religion is one of the hundreds of new sects founded by men within the past century.
If you are Catholic, you know that your religion was founded in the year 33 by Jesus Christ the Son of God, and it is still the same Church.
No it's not the same church. The ROMAN catholic church is bastardization of the original Christian church with Roman mythology.
It's not about how old it is, it's about how similar it is to the original church and also how scripturally correct it is.
The whore of rome isn't anywhere close to the 1st C Church.
We belong to the true church that Jesus founded, you belong to constantine and his pagan/Christian hybrid.
Do and believe what Scripture says, it's really that simple.
Amen. (Prayed this last night before bed and this morning before breakfast. Thank you for sharing a beautiful prayer.)
⋆｡°⊹🕯️Amen🕯️⊹°｡⋆
Thanks sparty, this is just about what i would have written. Amen
I don’t get why people pray to the Archangel. They do God’s bidding. If you wanna pray to someone, pray to God/Jesus. The archangels don’t work for us. Only God answers prayers. Only God can make promises. Anyone else is lying. Anyone else has intentions of their own.
Exactly.
But I get it though.... It's one of Satan's lies / strategies to make prayers ineffective since only God hears / answers prayers.
And who started this unbiblical tradition that conflicts with 1 Timothy 2:5? The Catholic Church.
So Donald Trump is asking for your prayers. Are you going to tell him that our prayers are useless and he should go ask Jesus to take care of everything? I don’t know what you’re going to do but I do. I’m going to pray for him and ask God to protect him.
If your prayers are to false gods then yes, your prayers are going nowhere. Only God can answer prayers. Michael isn’t God. Mary isn’t God. Jesus is your connection to the Father. Do you not believe in Jesus? If you do and understand His teachings, even if only barely, He is the only way. Not angels. Not trees. Not humans. Jesus. So yes, ask, pray in Jesus’s name of you want to have access to the Father. And even a glimpse of answered prayers. It’s His will be done. No one else’s.
♥️🙏🏻♥️
No, I'm saying pray to God, not angels.
Prayers to God = Useful
Prayers to angels = Usless
They are being contentious for the sake of sounding holier than others. Let them keystroke in pride and contentiousness.
I will continue to pray.
Hardly. By that standard the Apostles were being contentious for correcting theological issues between churches / believers.
This isn't about me, this is about God's word.
It's a pretty important issue ... Should we pray to God exclusively as we see demonstrated in scripture or should we also pray to angels and saints which we do not see in scripture? Because if the second position is wrong that means those prayers to unheard and unanswered. That's a very big deal.
The fact that you have to make a personal attack instead of appealing to scripture shows how indefensible your position is and where the pride truly lies.
The question is, which of the 45,000 Protestant Church is the “correct” one?
Lol name 1000. Then show me they disagree on salvific issues.
No they are not and YOU just passed judgement on them by presuming what their intent was! I can tell you for a fact that I argue against these practices because I know they are wrong!
Me too. At this point I will ignore these holier than thous and pray for them ♥️🙏🏻♥️
As long as you pray to God and not an angel.
The Catholic Church is the original Church. Protestantism & thought does not resemble the early Church or their practices.
Lol the original churches were gatherings of believers in homes, barns, and fields.
Satan has made his way into both the catholic church and some protestant churches. But the biblical protestant churches are far more like the early church that Paul and the apostles spoke of and ministered to than the catholic church.
Ok, which one of the 45,000 Protestant denominations that have come into existence within the past 500 years, do you belong to & how do you know your particular flavor of Protestantism got it right?
I don't have a denomination. I'm a bible believing Christian. That's all I need. Like the apostles.
And I don't know where you got that 45k figure, but I highly doubt there are anywhere near that number. Unless you consider each individual church its own denomination.
The bible came 300 years after the apostles founded the Church. Sola Scriptura is nonsense. Go to Mass.
No, it did not. The new testament was written in the first century.
I have had as my Trump Prayer since 2015:
Archangel Michael protect him
Archangel Michael protect him
Archangel Michael protect and deliver him
Archangel Michael protect him
I chant it over and over, mostly in my mind, while working outside, making firewood, walking, etc. But sometimes also quietly.
There is a city in eastern Finland named for this most glorious archangel. Marshall Mannerheim had his HQ there when fighting the Communists who invaded tiny Finland, fighting against such odds to retain her independence.
Today, 9/29 is Mikkelinpäivä, Michael's Day. There is a saying in Finnish:
Mitä ilmaa Mikkeliin, sitä sitten Köyriin.
"Whatever the weather is on Michael's Day, it will be until Koyri." Or Kekri--10/31, halfway between autumn equinox and winter solstice.
You do understand only God and Jesus can hear your prayers in your head. Not even the devil can hear your silent prayers. Which means neither can an archangel. God answers prayers. Jesus is the connection. Why pray to the created and not the creator?
God is all knowing, so he gets what he meant.
He does know. And you would rather pray to a creation of His, than to Him directly? Then why did God send His only Son to die? So we can pray to Michael? Why not pray to a tree. Or the sun? Maybe your tennis shoes? All God’s creations. See what I mean? An angle is a creation. Like me and you are. The scripture, Jesus lays it out very well. What did Christ do? Did Jesus pray to the Earth at the garden of Gethsemane? Did he pray to the sky to heal a blind man? Name one time when Jesus prayed for an angle to help Him? Never happened. So if Jesus is the only path to God, then why would anyone pray to an angle for help? If anything praying to another source outside of Christ and the Father is idolatry. And straight up wrong. God killed over 3,000 when they were praying to a golden calf.
We are not praying TO St. Michael. We are asking him to intercede for us. It’s good to have friends in high places.
That’s still praying to someone who ISN’T God. Which is a false idol. An angle isn’t going to do anything for you. Not until God commands it to. So again….why are you praying to an angle of the Lord? Key words, THE LORD.
You pray, I pray, others pray. God listens. Archangels are His missionbearers.
Devote your attention and keystrokes to that, rather than criticizing people's faith and ginning up arguments.
PRAY rather than be contentious.
We're called to "contend for the faith" though. And I agree and also contend that we are not supposed to pray to angels. Unless God sends one to visit us with some message, or we are casting one out of someone who's possessed, I don't even think we're supposed to talk to them at all...
I’m helping you. As Christians we are to help others. And especially those in our own home of faith. Galatians 6:10. “As we therefore have opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith"
If I see fellow Christian’s worshipping, that which isn’t God. I’m helping you. To pray to an angel is NOT what’s commanded of you. Remember the most important command that Jesus told you. And then remember the second. This is why I’m speaking up. Also in Galatians 6:2– “ Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.”
Keyword "burden". It can refer to a character flaw, a struggle, or a moral requirement. I’m helping you. You don’t want to stand before the Father, and have prayed to those who cannot help you. Only Jesus is your advocate to the Father. And what was said about that? In Matthew 10:33, essentially means that if you publicly reject Jesus on Earth, he will also reject you before God in heaven; it emphasizes the importance of openly professing your faith in Jesus. Faith in Jesus…not angels and humans. I’m helping you.
u/#lord
Who has direct access to the throne that advocates for you? The Bible is clear who that is. I know, you tell me. Anyone else advocating for you is made up fantasy. It wasn’t written, therefore false teachings.
God's in his heaven surrounded by his armies.
You honestly think God needs armies? The creator. The alpha and omega. With no beginning and no end. Eternal. We ain’t talking an old man with a nice hair part. We’re talking about the true King.
So you’re just gonna change the subject? Yes, fellow Christians can pray with you. But we aren’t discussing that here. We are discussing praying to those for help, that isn’t God. Why change the subject?
How do they hear you? Serious question.
I've wondered on that. Is there any scripture on it either way?
Quickly I found this for you.
1 Kings 8:39 says, "then hear in heaven your dwelling place, and forgive, and do, and render unto every man according to all his ways, whose heart thou knowest; (for thou, even thou only, knowest the hearts of all the children of men”
God knows your heart. As in your mind, inner thoughts. The devil can read you like a book tho. The devil can show you a beautiful woman, and your mind will do the rest. The devil knows our hearts, he understands them. Our hearts can be evil. But only God possess the power to truly know you. And what your made of. Heart and mind.
Thank you, that actually clarifies a question I've had for a long time. At one point I was being spiritually attacked and it SEEMED like the devil could hear my silent prayers and then counter them with his own bs. But that was my own mind operating on the fears the devil had already seeded, taking them to their logical conclusions, operating within the framework the devil had set up there. It's good to have this closure on the matter, now I can have more confidence towards God in prayer. (I had been leaning more and more towards this conclusion but to hear it from someone else + a solid scripture puts me over the edge)
As my wife says a lot, say it out loud…to rebuke Satan. In Jesus’s name I rebuke you devil. Then saying out loud, give prayers to Jesus to rebuke this evil. Say it nice and loud so the devil gets a ear full. It works. I mean you don’t have to scream it and scare the neighbors…but basically use your voice. Yea as a new Christian a few years ago, I didn’t know the devil couldn’t read my mind either. I felt like he was in my head constantly. I eventually learned through lessons or scripture and church that it’s was more me, my mind doing what it does, but being manipulated by the devil. The devil calls us by our sins constantly. Jesus would never do this. There are many videos that helps in learning to decipher “the voice” we hear. From the Holy Spirit and not the enemy. But we are hit humans. We have to have daily prayer and “walk in the spirit”, as Paul talks about in the Bible. When our focus is on Jesus more, it silences the evil that surrounds us.
Put it this way the devil has millenia of experience reading human nature and tendencies so essentially he's making really good guesses based on how we have acted in the past as well as his knowledge of humankind. That's best explanation I've ever heard
he would have to be omniscient in order to hear your silent prayers. he isn't.
Thank God lol. So it's a one-way valve with that bugger. I wonder if it's a two-way for someone who is possessed, like the ones Christ cast the demons out of... is it possible for a Christian to be possessed? I've been told it isn't since we have the holy Spirit and the devil can't get near it
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Lol when I first got born again I was of course into all these various preachers etc and they had me rebuking left and right like mad! Everything up in that house was getting a thorough rebuking! 😭 it was kinda manic. When I discovered "the Lord rebuke you satan" I let that stuff go, gave it to Jesus. That verse is one of the main reasons I don't talk to angels or demons or any of that now. Just my Saviour and Heavenly Father
Amen. Is it possible for a Christian to be possessed..hmm. I mean me personally, I would say no, for the reasons you stated, buuut, that one movie called The exorcist of Emily Rose. If you haven’t seen it, don’t watch it. I’m telling ya it invites evil. But she, supposedly, was a Christian, Catholic. And she got severely possessed. Show is crazy. I can’t watch it. I’ve watched it once since I’ve became a Christian and I’m telling you, I was attacked that night, severely. I’m a grown man, not any weakling, and I was the most afraid I’ve ever been in my life. Shedding tears and praying repeatedly to Jesus. My sins were being called all over me. The remarks I heard…and I mean heard. Not in my head. I’m getting chills typing this, so ima stop but. So I don’t know really. I would say no. The protection from God is to great. But we have to stay focused. Look to Jesus. We can’t fight these battles. But we can pray to the one who can and will, because he loves us so much.
It sounds like you experienced demonic oppression, rather than possession.
Yea it was terrible. But as far as possessed. I’m just not sure a Christian can be possessed. I mean I understand not all Christians, who say they are, are Christians. Therefore some could get possessed and confuse people. It’s just something I’m not familiar with. But being attacked, as you say oppressed. Yeah, that stuff is real.
Ah yeah I don't watch things like that. The closest I get would be something like Stranger Things, but even that was causing spiritual doors to open that should probably not be open. There's just no point beyond watching it to understand what the world is being fed, so as to help them later. Same with watching the MSM. After a while It'll degrade your mind that you are supposed to be renewing (Romans 12) so you need to be strong and also need a reason to be watching it beyond just entertainment or God-forbid, to actually consume the content as truths
I don't know why anyone believes angels can hear them? Unless they are praying out loud, of course. But even then, angels aren't omnipresent, so unless Michael is hanging out at their house with them, he's not hearing it. It probably embarrasses him that people do that.
😂😂😂 If friggin archangel Michael actually did show up I bet they'd stop doing that. I hear he's a scary guy 😬
According to Protestants…
More importantly, the scriptures.
Given to us by the Holy Catholic Church. Unlike the Scriptures edited by Martin Luther, Catholics have seven books that were removed by the Protestants.
Haha. Okay, sure.
It's true. At one point the last book, "The Revelation" was removed from the Protestant bible, but it was restored.
To as your many replies…there is no denomination mentioned in the Bible. The church, is the bride of Christ. That is what is mentioned. Catholics try to use one line of scripture, of Peter being the “rock”, to justify an entire belief system based, not on the teachings of Christ. Not all. Understand Peter being labeled as “the rock”, is comical. Because even as Jesus states and refers to, Peter was anything but a rock, lol. But he was amazing in his belief in Jesus. But he is not to be worshipped. Peter cannot save you. He cannot advocate for you. This is basic scripture. Peter’s teachings and actions are those of his teacher and master. Jesus. That’s who gets the praise and credit. Amazing how many people Catholics place in between God and themselves. There is no one between you and Jesus. The live for Him should make it look like you hate your own family members. Luke 14:26
I am of no denomination. I’m a Christian. I have a teacher. And a book with His Word. I am apart of the church and Jesus refers to. The bride. No priest or preacher stands before my God. No man in a booth that forgives me. Only God can forgive me. You should learn the difference between man’s law, and God’s law.
Protestants simply remove books that they don’t agree with in order to justify their new, altered religion. That is why Protestant bibles continue to be missing 7 books.
I see a lot familiarities between Protestant & Jews. They both reject the divinity of the Lords mother & they both reject the Greek apocrypha to prevent Christian’s re-uniting under ONE Apostolic Church & preventing Jews from discovering the truth & converting. I can’t help but to think that the early Protestant revolution was largely influenced by Jews in order to weaken Christendom.
Here we are now, 500 years later, we are seeing Zionist Protestants being dragged by the nose to instigate WWIIl for their Zionist elders. I don’t think this is all a coincidence.
Oh, and please explain why you believe Mary is a deity? Is that in one of the seven books?
She is the mother of god prophesied in the Old Testament. she is the virgin who shall conceive and bear a son, whose name shall be called Emmanuel (cf. Is 7:14; Mic 5:2-3; Mt 1:22-23).
Adam & eve were our fallen ancestor. Jesus & Mary are the new Arc of salvation & she was the vessel that was prophesied about.
If she wasn’t important, why would Jews go through the effort of defaming her & calling her whore, according to the Babylonian Talmud? A Protestant Christian take pause & ought to ask themselves “why do Jews hate Mother Mary so much?… perhaps she is special & we do ourselves a spiritual disservice by trivializing her”.
And who removed those books….the Catholic Church. Your pope. Here a bit from history for you. When something fails, it was never meant to be. It wasn’t from or for God. When the Catholic Church fails, as it doing very fashionable today, you will then understand, it was never meant to be. They said that about Jesus back in the day. The Pharisees, after the death of James, said look, if this Jesus is who they say He is, his ministry will continue, if it’s against God, it will fall away just like all then other false teachers before Him. Boy did they miss that one. LoL.
So, saying that this is simple. As people learn that certain “churches” are misrepresenting God’s Word, they are failing. As they should. If it’s meant to be, then it will be. God’s Word is clear. The teachings of Jesus are clear. The path is visible, walking it is the battle.
Dude, the Catholic Church assembled the Bible & the Bible remained untouched, unedited for centuries until Martin Luther took it upon himself to edit the Bible & remove books! The books he removed were first formally appeared in the Synod of Carthage in 397.
It’s shameful that Protestant don’t know their own history! Luther was removing so many books, his own followers had to restrain him, LOL. Luther did say we wished he could throw James in the fire. This is the grand daddy that all Protestants gather rebellious angst from.
It amazes me that modern day Catholics are very similar to the Pharisees of back in the day. Man’s laws. Lineage. History. Maybe read the Bible. I know that isn’t recommended for you, but you’d learn something.
You might consider this to be to big an ask, but if you would, please educate me a bit on these 7 books. Can you give me a synopsis of what they teach? For instance, we know that Paul's writings to the various churches were about instruction, correction, upholding faith, his many travels as well as travails. So if one or more of those books is similar in nature, you could just say, it's a missions book like Paul's. But if there is anything significantly different, like a completely different doctrinal spin, or something that really stands out to you, please give me a synopsis. Thanks.
You can begin by studying the books of the Maccabee’s removed by Luther. In this book, Maccabee’s army pray for the souls of their fallen brethren who had died with pagan idols in their possession.
This book was removed because it spoke eluded to Purgatory & praying for intercession on behalf of our beloved loved ones that have passed on, which Luther did not agree with.. because you know, reasons.
I know Maccabees is important to the Jews. The story of the oil lasting. Alright, that's one book. What about the others?
Hey they put Revelation back, so there is that.
Not exactly. Many can hear. Even some humans can 'mind read' & etc. I can sometimes read the thoughts & prayers of others. God is most powerful, yes. God alone is to be worshiped, yes. For us , anyways. There are some out there who worship Satan. That's what this whole battle about. If Satan can't hear their 'prayers' then why does the cabal have any power at all? I am afraid you are wrong, many can hear.
We can banish the devil with Jesus's name, yes, this is true. If so we can ask that the devil can not read our prayers & I suppose if you wanted to, you could ask the same for any other archangel, but why? "...we humbly pray, and do thou oh prince of the heavenly hosts, by the power of God, cast into hell Satan,......" This says that we are praying and we are also requesting the assistance of the mighty archangel. Worship belongs to God alone (for us) but you can request anything from anyone, including archangels. This was brilliantly written by Trump so that people of any faith can join us here. Though he is a Christian, he is a leader of not just Christians.
If I see some birds in a tree, flying around, singing..doing bird things. I get an idea. I’m gonna go throw bread crumbs and see if they fly down when I throw them on the ground under them. Now, what do you think will happen? Can I read their minds? No. Do I understand how they think? Yes. This is what the devil can do. He understand you, very well. He can read you. The devil knows if he gets a beautiful woman to come across your screen, your mind will do the rest. Doesn’t mean he can read your thoughts. He knows how you think, but not literally. Now, those birds may not be dumb enough to go after those crumbs. They may understand that I’m a threat and just fly away. Or they’ll do exactly what I want the to do. Manipulation. Temptation. This is what the devil does. Doesn’t make you a mind reader. And, it’s written in scripture that only God can read the hearts and minds. So no, not angels, not people. And yes, of course of God allows someone to. But again, that power belongs to the creator.
I upvoted you because you made a good argument however, I still disagree to some extent.
What does it mean to "read minds?" It means to know what they are thinking, right? So one could say that I can sometimes read the minds of birds but I sometimes get it wrong too. It sort of depends on what people mean by the phrase "read minds"
People are more complex. There are people you know so well that you can pretty much read their minds. Not always, but often. Does it matter that it has to do with a tiny inflection or facial muscle twitch. It's still reading the mind, isn't it? Maybe even machines can read our mind (Like the lie detector machine)
Maybe it is possible to actually read minds too. In the old days (before cell phones or caller id) it was often the case that, when the phone rang, we just knew that ring sounded like a certain person & it was usually correct. At least with me. Yes, I think people are a lot more psychic than they realize. I do think we can read minds to some extent. Have you ever looked at someone from a distance, even through glass & they look back? Happens all the time doesn't it? If you don't believe me go to a random place where you don't know anyone and sit in a window somewhere where many passerby's can see you through the window & without moving your head a bit, look into the eyes of people of the opposite gender & count how many times they look back. (Watch out that you don't creep anyone out though) Detectives know this & learn not to do it so not to let the followed person to know (but to rather follow them by watching their feet)
Yes, we do have some capability to read minds, some more than others but, of course, no one can read everyone's mind all the times, except God.
After thinking this all out, though, I was thinking it might be a good idea to ask God to prevent demons from being able to read our mind! That might be a good prayer
To me reading someone mind would be like, let’s say I was looking at a blank wall, or even looking out a window. What am I thinking about? Well that could be anything. God knows those thoughts. Now if I’m looking at tools, or guns or something similar, you’ll narrow it down pretty quick. Say I’m looking at a candy bar…my thoughts could be narrowed down to like “wow that’s expensive!” Or “dang, that looks good”. But looking out a window of a car I could be thinking about literally anything. A bird in a tree doesn’t have complex thoughts compared to us. It’s pretty basic. We could figure it out just by throwing some crackers on the ground. To Satan, not to give that fool of a shepherd any credit but, he’s very smart and crafty. And much much more intelligent than we are. We have zero chance going up against the actions of the devil. But, those who have Jesus and have God’s protection and advice/wisdom from the Holy Spirit, the devil has a much harder time because he isn’t all powerful. He doesn’t have those abilities. No angel does. Unless gifted from God himself.
Praise the Lord, because today is a bright and sunny day and we've been inundated with hurricanes.
Yes great prayer. Also today is the feast of the Archangels
Oh Donald Trump. Oh how I hope you come to know the Lord Jesus. And the Word of God. Angels are amazing, but they don’t answer your prayers. The mother Mary can’t save you. Only God and the free gift God gave you by sending His son Jesus for mine and your sins. And by accepting God’s perfect sacrifice, His Son Jesus, and believing that Jesus died upon that cross, was buried in a tomb, and rose to life three days later and defeated death once and for all. Then you can be saved and spend eternity with our Father in Heaven. You don’t have to pray to angels or anyone other than Jesus and our Father in Heaven. Place nothing between you and your relationship with Christ. Nothing else. Only you can save. Only you can defeat the evil one. Only you Lord can we have faith in. And I thank you for saving my life and that of my family. All these things and prayers are in your name Jesus that we pray. Amen.
New idea for a Christian Mathematician T-Shirt:
Praying to angles is acute but obtuse idea.
Can't take this guy seriously, so many angles in every post!!! AMAZING ANGLES!
Sure enough. This dang autocorrect. I caught them earlier, I kept constantly having to backup and type angels over and over. Why is my phone doing this! I’ll try and edit the ones left. Thanks for letting me know. Or not rather. But yay.
I hope all the divided Protestant sects come to reconcile themselves to the True & original Church founded by Jesus & his apostles.
I’m glad DJT is seeing the light & coming home. That may piss off many Prots but they need to hear the truth.
How do you come to that conclusion? Where in Scripture did you get the idea that catholic church is the original or true church?
Dude, Christianity didn’t begin in 1517 when a Fat Catholic monk, broke his vows, married a nun & edited the Bible.
It takes a lot of intellectual dishonesty to not even having the capacity to say that the Catholic Church was the church that gave us the Gospels.
Oh my. You honestly believe that's when it started? I'd say it started when Jesus was here. And Paul and the apostles spread it through their missions work and church planting.
Stay focused
Don't worry fren today is the "feast day" the Catholics have given archangel Michael (they labelled him a Saint) so Trump is just reminding them who to vote for
Michael Vs satan, Coventry Cathedral https://files.catbox.moe/fpcmhr.jpg
Every morning and night.
Me too Nonna. If you know you know.
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I offer a daily Rosary for his protection.
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To me this is the only reason Trump posted this. As a comms. Not to actually pray to an angel instead of God. That’s would be ignorant. If I’m wrong, then Trump needs some Sunday school lessons about God and why He sent His son Jesus. And false idols and idolatry. And wrath. Gotta be a comms reference imo.
Perhaps Q is a Catholic operation & Protestantism was a movement begun by the New World Order 500 years ago to divide the Body of Christ & destroy the Church begun his Apostles & civilization that it created.
Nice!
November 5th!!!
Fucking tired of it already.
Nuke?
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The time of this one is a minute from a time delta. Here's the link from post 3843... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDi1oAC-wSY
Trump knows something else is coming...
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Everyday.
been praying for his safety ever since he came down that dang escalator. its funny too, because I keep thinking of that scene in the godfather where vito is looking to end that war so he can bring michael home. he warns his adversaries that should any accident befall his last son, "God forbid he should be struck by lightening", he would take it as an attack from these guys. some how, we should be putting forth the same message to the left...
Prayers sent.
LET US PRAY God bless President Donald Trump, his wife, family, the person that the shooter killed, Steven Bannon, legal team, friends, Q followers, the Voters that support Trump, the Military that supports the Constitution and Trump, Law Enforcement that too supports the Constitution and Trump, most of all Trumps security team and their families too, God Bless America, Bless the missing children and you the reader Too.🙏
Yessssss!!!!!!
I have been doing that every single day since the assassination attempt.
Speaking as a Protestant...
Forget it. We've got a country and a world to save. We can have our little holy war AFTER WE WIN.
is there a significance to this prayer today?
September 29th is the traditional Feast of St. Michael in the Catholic Church, now it has been renamed Feast of the Archangels Michael, Gabriel and Raphael.
Thanks
All of us fighting the good fight will need heavenly protection! They will deploy all their assets against those trying to wake up the masses! I know what I speak about because I've been through the snares! Only those that have true love from their family make it through! Spiritual warfare changes your understanding forever! Putting on the Full Armor of God becomes evident!
5 assassination teams in the US, surface to air missile's, will they try and shoot Trump 1 down? I would put nothing past these people.
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if were to the point where he is posting this on twitter, and all the chatter about october suprises, i gotta say my blood is pumping.
AMEN
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Two thoughts:
A- We've been researching and finding out our history over the past 150 years has been tragically twisted. Therefore it's reasonable to believe over the past 2k years there may have been "changes". While everyone has their own insights and personal beliefs, please keep this in mind.
B- Let's land this bird together. Then we can do the theological factfinding mission with a lot less friction, and something tells me a lot of clarity will be provided in the near future.
Just sayin, since there's nothing the cabal likes better than splitting us up to fight each other.
I found Probably Alexandra's video called "An Incovenient Religion" very interesting. https://youtu.be/hTYqrlUMsBg?si=ZpRHbSpoefe78iQY
If God be for him, who be against him?