I successfully spent two hours using facts and date to prove that wearing a mask does nothing to slow the spread of disease.
The Leftist then said, "I agree they probably do nothing, but I just feel better when I wear one. And I think everyone should wear one anyway in case they do help."
There is no point to digging up the information. They are going to disregard all evidence and go with their feelings anyway.
I disagree. It is essential to show the evidence in detail. Those that dismiss it, like in your example, are still forced to work through the cognitive dissonance. It primes them for asking questions of the narrative at a later time when the narrative attacks something they have more personal knowledge of (which I think is going to happen in every sphere).
Getting someone to agree with one particular piece of evidence is not really all that important (unless it directly threatens their life, like the "vaccine"). Getting people to be willing to question the narrative is really all that matters for the GA. Even if it doesn't work today, that first seed is planted. The water of further, more personal exposure will bring it to life.
I should have clarified. There is no point in digging up the information for those who don't do the work to try and find their own answers. It is a waste to do all the work. If someone wants to find answers, it is good to help them.
If they come to you looking for answers that is different.
But brainwashed people are in what is called circular logic. This is how cult's maintain their power. Facts will bounce right off of people stuck in that. I dig a lot, but that is for myself and to share what I find with people who are interested.
There is no point in digging up the information for those who don't do the work to try and find their own answers.
I still disagree. If someone is willing to listen, even if they end up disagreeing, or otherwise finding an excuse to hold onto the narrative, it STILL primes them for future questioning of the narrative. So in this case, "the point" would be to help them survive what is coming.
Our job is to do exactly that. It's not about "proving" any particular point. It's not about Trump, or Pizza/Russia/Obama/Clinton/Whatever gate. It's not about the vaccine (though in this case, it could save lives). It's not about masks, or Critical Race Theory, or Gender Confusion, or anything. It is about surviving what is coming. It is about not being in the 4-6%.
The point of doing the work is not for you, or for any of those points, but for them; even if they don't realize it yet.
brainwashed people are in what is called circular logic
Yes, and every time they are forced to use that circular logic to appease the cognitive dissonance, it primes them for future evidence that doesn't fit their world view; that isn't quite right based on their own experience. I have seen this happen myself. A person will barely acknowledge the evidence, working it back into the narrative, but then future things, that they have personal knowledge of, that don't fit the narrative are questioned, and awakening happens.
Hell, this is pretty much exactly how my initial awakening happened. I knew about all sorts of shit that was fucked up. I knew that 911 was likely an inside job. I knew that the Patriot Act was FUBAR. I knew that Benghazi stunk to high heaven, that Clinton was evil as fuck and a pathological liar, and that the media was saying non-truths (I didn't realize at the time it was actual lies (aka Intentional non-truths, I thought it was just excessive bias)) but it never occurred to me that there might be a bigger picture; a deeper fraud; an intentional Matrix.
It wasn't until the election that I was forced to dig deeper. I was never really a fan of Trump. I knew the media was lying about him for five years, and I knew his policies were actually pretty good, but I found him to be arrogant and annoying. Little did I know at the time why he spoke the way he spoke (reinforcement of facts to counter brainwashing, speaking in code, etc.). Regardless, I voted for him, because... Joe Biden??? But I didn't really care about the outcome that much. When he started losing I thought, Oh well, it can't be worse than Obama, or Bush.
But I have done a lot of data analysis in my life. I have done a lot of experimental measurements, including on large data sets and large populations. The election data was wrong. It was screaming at me. I started digging. I worked on it about 20 hours a day for a month. I proved mathematically a hundred ways from Sunday that the election data was fraudulent, in multiple states. After I had proven that to myself. After I realized it was possible that there could be a conspiracy on that level, THEN I started digging into other things in earnest.
It wasn't until it was numerical data, one of my specialties, that I made the connection. But the other fuckery I had seen before primed me to see it.
I still disagree. If someone is willing to listen, even if they end up disagreeing, or otherwise finding an excuse to hold onto the narrative, it STILL primes them for future questioning of the narrative. So in this case, "the point" would be to help them survive what is coming.
That is what I mean. Willing to listen. Some people just hear, but they don't listen.
Our job is to do exactly that.
No one gets to decide what OUR job is. That is a personal decision what role we decide to take. If that is a role you want to take then that is your decision.
The point of doing the work is not for you, or for any of those points, but for them; even if they don't realize it yet.
If that is the role YOU want to take on, then that is your choice. I don't like someone telling me what my job or role is for me. I define that myself. I would encourage people to think for themselves and listen to their own instincts on what they think will best help.
A person will barely acknowledge the evidence, working it back into the narrative, but then future things, that they have personal knowledge of, that don't fit the narrative are questioned, and awakening happens.
That's good that you helped someone awaken, but understand that it is not a role that is for everyone. If you feel your way of doing things works for you, then go for it. However, I do not view it that way.
After I realized it was possible that there could be a conspiracy on that level that I started digging into other things in earnest.
I'm glad to hear you did your own digging. That's what I did and that's what has opened my eyes. However, every take will be different. Not everyone will get to the same point by the same way.
It sounds to me that your job is over. The foundation of this movement is laid. It's time to build the walls and build the rest of the house by teaching others, sharing easily understood concepts and EDUCATING the masses. You clearly aren't interested in that. You want to decode and hang out in the deep part of the pool with other veterans and feel good about yourselves. Well congratulations on your part in laying the foundation. Please recognize we don't need to train up more people who do nothing but decode. We need interpreters now. If you decline that role, then that's your choice. Please don't expect normies to do all the work you have done. The work has been done. We need teachers to share it.
I meant what Q intended for our job to be within the scope of Q's declas and purpose. Of course your life is your own.
I don't like someone telling me what my job or role is for me.
That really wasn't my intent. I worded it poorly.
Not everyone will get to the same point by the same way.
On this I disagree. The counter to brainwashing is to expose the fraud in a personal way. Everyone is an expert at something. When the narrative is contrary to expert knowledge, the narrative is questioned. This is a ubiquitous response. So while the starting point of each path is not the same at all, the shape, style, and direction of all paths out of The Matrix are the same.
Ice got a tag team of thrice jabbed covidiots trying to get me fired. All because I said "mandates are not laws and its unconstitutional. The supreme court will squash it" I was treated like crap ever since. Even though I was right. No body's mentioned the jab since the supreme court squashed it......imagine that. Kek!
"I agree that sending a bitcoin to bubble_bursts is not gonna do anything, but I just feel better if everyone sends bubble_burst a bitcoin just in case it does something good"
I just dont talk to liberal npc smooth brains about politics, covid, etc. They are too far gone. I dont even want to be near liberals or where they live either.
I take that additional time and put it towards something creative.
Concerning the masks, I see this too. I don't know if it is cognitive dissonance I'm dealing with or idiocy. Wearing face masks not only 'don't work', but they are very harmful and a vector for cultivating and spreading disease. Wearing a mask causes cancer through hypercapnia and acidosis. It's actually worse than smoking cigarettes. Those people I see wearing face masks is a good sign they are already mRNA vaxxinated and may not have long to live. I stand clear of anyone wearing a mask and will not have my children in proximity of them.
So all normies are pigs? Who is interested in teaching the masses what you all have learned in a rational, easily understood way? Or does everyone need to be a decoding autist starting at ground zero in order to understand things? It seems to me that we need people to bridge the gap and have some patience.
does everyone need to be a decoding autist starting at ground zero in order to understand things?
No, theres tons of info out there thats easy to understand that the autists have created. The problem is normies dont want to watch an hour and a half documentary about the cabal and their moves against trump. They see "trump" and they think biased. They justify not watching an hour "biased" video when they could be watching friends on netflix cause thats gonna make them laugh and feel good. As it points out in the meme they only accept short and to the point bullet points of facts, like reading out guilty verdicts at the end of a court proceeding. Anything that requires more time and effort than that and they simply do not care. They will take the path of least resistance.
A masterful educator/reformer will meet a person where they are at and bring them along for the ride. I'm not saying you or anyone else has to do such a thing, but I hope we all agree someone who is willing and able to do so is highly appreciated and encouraged. No excuses, no laziness, no intolerance.. but patience and determination like an ocean removing a mountain.
I feel even master educators would struggle with some of these people. Youre forced to manipulate them instead of teach them, its a whole other skillset. They dont want to learn because it makes them unhappy. You have to somehow make it enjoyable for them to learn this stuff which is a big ask. If they hear any of the political buzz words they just exit reality. This is why i just completely disregard their attempts to exit the conversation. Patience and determination is important but we dont have time to erode a mountain. Midterms are quickly approaching and 2024 is on the horizon. You know what else can erode a mountain? Explosives.
Haha please don't confuse my words as asserting that everyone can be changed. Just highlighting a need in the community for this season in time. Clearly there are issues of irreconcilable differences where more drastic things happen. :)
Some folks can be reached. Some can have the fuse lit that leads them to look more critically. Some refuse to believe and think you are crazy, but when they start to hear it from other sources, they start to wonder. These people can be reached. The ones that want to physically assault you because you don't believe what they believe, these are the ones that you can't reach. I just smile and tell them to make sure they get their booster and two masks is a minimum. It reminds me of Noah, building an Ark. Folks all told him he was crazy, but he kept telling them the whole time. When the rain started, he had to watch as the doors were shut. All those that refused to believe were resigned to their fate and drowned. I pretty much feel like that sometimes. When you reach out your hand to rescue someone and they slap your hand away, you can't beat yourself up about it. You did the best you can.
Somehow this reminded me of the follow up survey I just got asked to fill out from the hospital yesterday on how well the level of care I received was. I gave nearly all positive answers, but in the comment section at the end, I went off about the mask Nazis and how the governor dropped all mandates, yet the hospital kept the mask one, how they have been proven Not to work and how the labels on the box state that they do not protect against coronavirus and that I will continue to fight back and protest against trying to take away my God given freedom to breathe fresh air which as an asthmatic and my husband having restrictive lung disease as a resilt of his aortic stenosis surgery from dissection we really need the fresh air and we never consented to have our freedoms removed.
Even if they cede the point they go back to their original idea tomorrow since it's the culture of accepted ideas in their living room that matters in their day to day life.
See, the problem is these people don't know where to find the real information. If they want to know about the new world order, they look for information from CNN and NYT, and end up more brainwashed than they started out.
It's not about finding real information, it's about what they consider real information, your premise suggests showing someone a source other than CNN would matter, it doesn't. It's a question of values, not facts.
All your facts in the world aren't going to change a homo from wanting man butt.
Spot on. This is why I say the plan needs to move faster for these brain washed idiots. Hell even then many of them would still stick to their ideals and say it was fake. They are gone. The time for saving then has long passed. We ain’t getting some of them back. It is what it is. I’m fine with it let’s move this plan along.
Once shown they won’t believe it anyway because Anderson Cooper or Sean Hannity didn’t tell them so. They HAVE to have msm tell them the news, and even then it HAS to be multiple msm fronts saying it. The media in America is no doubt the worst of the worst. And something has to be done about it.
I can't believe I'm giving any support for the MSM, but one thing they do well is explain things to regular people. Sure they do this in a deceptive and misleading manner much of the time, but people don't go away thinking "that guy's an arrogant lazy prick who won't explain what they mean."
I've sent friends and family literally hundreds of memes, but now I've just about given up (there are a few, rare exceptions). No one cares about doing research anymore.
In both the context of Q and of reasons why I refused the covid vaxx'es (and other things), I first ask such people where they get their news, or if they trust the mainstream media and the government. If the answer is "CNN-MSNBC-etc." or "late night TV shows" or "Twitter / Fakebook"....or if they say "yes" about trusting MSM/government, I just tell them, "There is absolutely nothing I can say to you that you would understand." And leave it at that.
I don't waste time on people who are willfully ignorant. It was hard enough trying to explain Q back in 2018. In the years since then the subject has become much more complex, with Devolution and Majic Eyes Only and X-22 Reports and a host of other resources that NOW it's almost impossible to read in a newbie to this phenomenon. Those infected with the MSM-social-media-late-night-TV dementia even in the face of what is going on right in front of their face, if they haven't awakened by now on their own accord, they may not have what it takes when reality is put in front of them.
Now I’ve actually created a bullet point page with the links and had my lefty friends snatch it, glance over it, hand it back telling me, “That’s all conspiracy sites!” Without checking them to see thee actual peer-review studies and heavy documentation! Of course do they offer a counter…no! And then they wave me off and walk away! I’ve found even with hard facts, breaking through their brainwashed mentality, will require a crowbar lobotomy. It’s really sad when they ask for proof, ya give it, and they can’t even spend the time to check it out, when you’re obviously and kindly trying to help them. But then they just blow you off. It makes me mad enough to think, just think; “Why even further try to help these people?! Have we considered maybe at the end battle time it needs to be survival of the fittest and truth believers? Do we really need people like this further going forward?” So in this I put my faith in God to let him decide. It’s all we can do in the end. And that End Won’t Be For Everyone.
When I first had my political awakening it was under Obama. It wasn't even Q or conspiracy theories. It was over easy to prove things. I could not wake them. I remember I explained why Benghazi was a big deal and terrible. They just went blank-eyed and seemed to turn off until I changed the subject. They wouldn't even try to discuss or argue. They'd just tune out anything that challenged the notion that the Obama administration and Hillary were bad.
At least if they got angry that would be a reaction. We are talking just turning into blank face. It is disturbing to watch a person turn off, but I've seen it happen so many times. Their eyes glaze over and their face slackens. They were otherwise very fun and engaging people, but they would not hear criticism of the Left.
I mentioned how Newsom released thousands of criminals over covid to one. She responded "No he didn't." I showed news articles like ABC (the normie-approved) that showed yes he did. Even holding up the article where it said point blank he released 20,000 criminals she just said "I don't believe it".
And that was it. Even if you use normie-accepted sites that say "Yes, it happened" they will just shrug and go "I don't believe it". It's a literal wall. Facts bounce off it.
They have decided how the world works and they won't hear otherwise.
The job of us truthers is to sow enough seeds of doubt in the normies' minds. Whether they find the truth or not is up to them and whether they are curious and whether they are willing to dig for the truth. Every person has to dig up the truth on their own, otherwise it will not stick and its not worth it.
Exactly this. First, you have to question their assumptions. Lately it is: “I don’t know why these people want us to go to war with Russia. Let Germany deal with them. They’re rich and powerful.” (Normies will either agree or just think. It fits with all their past ideals.).
The way the Left destroyed our culture and morals was to constantly attack. That is what we now must do—constantly be attacking their morals as Injustice and their information as fake news that constantly changes. Disney gave us a huge gift with their admission of corrupt and degenerate morality into their movies. Hunter Biden story is so raw, my Lefty family members refuse to even discuss it. You have to carefully wait for those moments every few days, since these ideas must be allowed to marinate.
Hunter Biden story is so raw, my Lefty family members refuse to even discuss it.
And yeah I know a lot of lefties who relished talking about the supposed pee-tape but dont want to even acknowledge anything to do with Hunter or pedophilia in general.
Hunter is just a tip of the iceberg, and when the full extent comes out it will send a lot of these people to hospitals.
Or when you DO have a nice compiled list and bookmarks....about say vaccine adverse reactions and damages......and they say....well the Doctors say its safe. And they do it anyways.....ya just gotta say.......Vaya con Dios bros. :D
My leftist friend has a Ph.D. in biology. I showed her a list of 80 studies that indicate masks are ineffective in preventing the spread of a virus and can actually cause harm. She waved her hand and said “Those studies are wrong.”
Masks? For those that actually DO care about proofs but want the masks for themselves and others...I have blown two intelligent educated people away with this, (extended family members):
ME proofs that masks don't work for viruses....followed by
ME yet you still wear one/require others to have one/get mad when others don't wear one...
THEY response becomes, well they do SOMETHING/"I'm more comfortable"
ME Yes. You're more comfortable. WHY are you more comfortable, knowing intellectually that masks don't work?
I just am....(trying to extract themselves from the conversation now)
That makes no sense. Why do you FEEL more comfortable, knowing what you know intellectually? Cognative dissonance.
It's because you are in fact brainwashed. You "feel" an opinion. You're feelings override your intellect. You are BRAINWASHED. Feelings conflicting with knowledge and the feelings WIN? That's brainwashed.
Both bolted the conversation, but I never heard anything about masks from them ever again.
Most people have always been that way. It's because they have busy lives and don't care enough to spend time researching. They want to find an authoritative news source they can trust and learn from them. But when you fail to prove you're an authoritative news source, they'll ignore you. This is why we have teachers in school, and people aren't re-discovering multiplication and calculus for ourselves. Society passes on what they have learned to the next generations, and don't expect them to learn everything from scratch.
Stunning to contemplate how many millions have been trained to believe there is no evidence of a conspiracy to kill JFK, and no evidence that 9/11 was an inside job, among many other topics. No matter how much evidence they are presented with, they still cling to the belief that no evidence exists. They allow the corporate media to dictate their view of reality.
An inverse Dunning-Krueger is overestimating how smart other people are. Having the information summarized and organized in bullet points is the most complex presentation many could even tackle, and as others have pointed out, it still is enough that they can't get far without someone boiling it down to "yes" or " no."
all of us had to start somewhere in r quest for truth. we had to have that desire to KNOW. there never has been anyone in my life w the same driving need to learn, converse, share info. for me internet was a very useful tool. in the beginning no one helped me on how to do this research. it took awhile to learn how to navigate the diff anon boards but i did persevere. it was well worth it. thankfully i found u guys n have been learning at a much faster pace, researching to 'make it my own'.
"A theory is not to be considered complete until you have made it so clear that you can explain it to the first man whom you meet on the street." -Albert Einstein (attributed)
Preach. We need more teachers who have patience to teach the next generation. People who don't expect everyone to start from scratch and learn how they learned. Sometimes these teachers will come from patient decoders who share.
What I do is slowly beg the question and understand from the onset that my case will never be quickly made and the best hope is to punch enough of a hole the mustard seed takes root.
Most smart people toil with Reconciliation.
As such - what to do?
Poke holes. Small ones. Believe it or not finding authoritative entities and pointing to them instead of making blanket statements is going to do the most in my experience. For example WTC7. Plenty of angles exist that show actual explosives going off - all pale to the finesse of showing the BBC saying the building collapsed 30 mins before it did.
Don’t be hasty. Target people of importance and keep the work going. Leg work is required. That’s it. Stay focused and never be negative. They want you to go negative so they can emotionally pivot. Don’t identify with what you are saying - only “well I don’t understand this. What do you think?” Let them draw their own conclusions. You can’t win by forcing it.
Remember the goal - not that they see as you do - only that they learn to step back and attempt to ascertain more of the big picture.
Argue ends and merits vs their orthodoxy. These folks are taught to champion authority. This is why they seek sources constantly & trust fact checkers that have repeatedly been caught falsifying information.
Use Grace. Remember - anyone reacts to lies. That realization is hard - be a rock they can lean on.
They’d believe it if Teen Beat Magazine said it but not from a person. It has to be from trash media. I just plant a seed and walk away. I don’t push. I don’t have the patience anymore and they don’t have the attention span.
NCSWIC
Yes they have. Discernment wasn’t viewed as a skill and never honed. Too bad for them. Not everyone can swim but if they have arms and legs there’s nothing stopping them. That mindset is bigotry of low expectations.
The fact that this post is still at the top of "HOT" 8 hours after I first saw it... Frustrates the hell out of me. I have had many convos with OP's that were unwilling to even suggest a "sauce" for whatever convoluted story/mage they had to share! ~ Source your Material...
They don't want or care about proof of anything it's all group think. Even if you show them 100% proof they will still say "well everyone else thinks what you're saying is bullshit and the news says what you're saying is bullshit I feel better siding with them".
My wife tells me that I can't be right because I am in the minority. That means that she won't believe in the great reset or vax depopulation until a certain number of her friends or the MSM tell her it is true.
It's a herd protection thing. I think she assumes it is safer to side with the herd whether they are technically right or not. Well, that doesn't work with the vaxes, the cabal knows all about herds and how to manipulate them.
UUUGGGHHH —I hear ya! When you’ve known sh*t for so long, it becomes accepted knowledge in your world & other people are like wwwhhhaattt? I catch myself all the time deciding wether I really want to get into the weeds or not. It’s two different worlds we’re living in… Before Awake (B.A.) & After Awake (A.A.) 😊
I successfully spent two hours using facts and date to prove that wearing a mask does nothing to slow the spread of disease.
The Leftist then said, "I agree they probably do nothing, but I just feel better when I wear one. And I think everyone should wear one anyway in case they do help."
u/#headturn
There is no point to digging up the information. They are going to disregard all evidence and go with their feelings anyway.
I disagree. It is essential to show the evidence in detail. Those that dismiss it, like in your example, are still forced to work through the cognitive dissonance. It primes them for asking questions of the narrative at a later time when the narrative attacks something they have more personal knowledge of (which I think is going to happen in every sphere).
Getting someone to agree with one particular piece of evidence is not really all that important (unless it directly threatens their life, like the "vaccine"). Getting people to be willing to question the narrative is really all that matters for the GA. Even if it doesn't work today, that first seed is planted. The water of further, more personal exposure will bring it to life.
I should have clarified. There is no point in digging up the information for those who don't do the work to try and find their own answers. It is a waste to do all the work. If someone wants to find answers, it is good to help them.
If they come to you looking for answers that is different.
But brainwashed people are in what is called circular logic. This is how cult's maintain their power. Facts will bounce right off of people stuck in that. I dig a lot, but that is for myself and to share what I find with people who are interested.
I still disagree. If someone is willing to listen, even if they end up disagreeing, or otherwise finding an excuse to hold onto the narrative, it STILL primes them for future questioning of the narrative. So in this case, "the point" would be to help them survive what is coming.
Our job is to do exactly that. It's not about "proving" any particular point. It's not about Trump, or Pizza/Russia/Obama/Clinton/Whatever gate. It's not about the vaccine (though in this case, it could save lives). It's not about masks, or Critical Race Theory, or Gender Confusion, or anything. It is about surviving what is coming. It is about not being in the 4-6%.
The point of doing the work is not for you, or for any of those points, but for them; even if they don't realize it yet.
Yes, and every time they are forced to use that circular logic to appease the cognitive dissonance, it primes them for future evidence that doesn't fit their world view; that isn't quite right based on their own experience. I have seen this happen myself. A person will barely acknowledge the evidence, working it back into the narrative, but then future things, that they have personal knowledge of, that don't fit the narrative are questioned, and awakening happens.
Hell, this is pretty much exactly how my initial awakening happened. I knew about all sorts of shit that was fucked up. I knew that 911 was likely an inside job. I knew that the Patriot Act was FUBAR. I knew that Benghazi stunk to high heaven, that Clinton was evil as fuck and a pathological liar, and that the media was saying non-truths (I didn't realize at the time it was actual lies (aka Intentional non-truths, I thought it was just excessive bias)) but it never occurred to me that there might be a bigger picture; a deeper fraud; an intentional Matrix.
It wasn't until the election that I was forced to dig deeper. I was never really a fan of Trump. I knew the media was lying about him for five years, and I knew his policies were actually pretty good, but I found him to be arrogant and annoying. Little did I know at the time why he spoke the way he spoke (reinforcement of facts to counter brainwashing, speaking in code, etc.). Regardless, I voted for him, because... Joe Biden??? But I didn't really care about the outcome that much. When he started losing I thought, Oh well, it can't be worse than Obama, or Bush.
But I have done a lot of data analysis in my life. I have done a lot of experimental measurements, including on large data sets and large populations. The election data was wrong. It was screaming at me. I started digging. I worked on it about 20 hours a day for a month. I proved mathematically a hundred ways from Sunday that the election data was fraudulent, in multiple states. After I had proven that to myself. After I realized it was possible that there could be a conspiracy on that level, THEN I started digging into other things in earnest.
It wasn't until it was numerical data, one of my specialties, that I made the connection. But the other fuckery I had seen before primed me to see it.
That is what I mean. Willing to listen. Some people just hear, but they don't listen.
No one gets to decide what OUR job is. That is a personal decision what role we decide to take. If that is a role you want to take then that is your decision.
If that is the role YOU want to take on, then that is your choice. I don't like someone telling me what my job or role is for me. I define that myself. I would encourage people to think for themselves and listen to their own instincts on what they think will best help.
That's good that you helped someone awaken, but understand that it is not a role that is for everyone. If you feel your way of doing things works for you, then go for it. However, I do not view it that way.
I'm glad to hear you did your own digging. That's what I did and that's what has opened my eyes. However, every take will be different. Not everyone will get to the same point by the same way.
It sounds to me that your job is over. The foundation of this movement is laid. It's time to build the walls and build the rest of the house by teaching others, sharing easily understood concepts and EDUCATING the masses. You clearly aren't interested in that. You want to decode and hang out in the deep part of the pool with other veterans and feel good about yourselves. Well congratulations on your part in laying the foundation. Please recognize we don't need to train up more people who do nothing but decode. We need interpreters now. If you decline that role, then that's your choice. Please don't expect normies to do all the work you have done. The work has been done. We need teachers to share it.
I would say it's very silly to try and put things in a box like that and declare yourself the expert on what others need.
You're essentially saying "You're not needed," based on your own opinion. There are many who need all types. Why are you trying to push others out?
I meant what Q intended for our job to be within the scope of Q's declas and purpose. Of course your life is your own.
That really wasn't my intent. I worded it poorly.
On this I disagree. The counter to brainwashing is to expose the fraud in a personal way. Everyone is an expert at something. When the narrative is contrary to expert knowledge, the narrative is questioned. This is a ubiquitous response. So while the starting point of each path is not the same at all, the shape, style, and direction of all paths out of The Matrix are the same.
I had former co-workers dismiss me as being brainwashed because I DIDN'T believe the MSM version of the Jan 6 protest/Capital incursion.
Ice got a tag team of thrice jabbed covidiots trying to get me fired. All because I said "mandates are not laws and its unconstitutional. The supreme court will squash it" I was treated like crap ever since. Even though I was right. No body's mentioned the jab since the supreme court squashed it......imagine that. Kek!
You can lead a horse to a fish. Man drink, day fish one forever.
Underrated comment..
Yes, this is important. They still hear you & they may later wake up.
"I agree that sending a bitcoin to bubble_bursts is not gonna do anything, but I just feel better if everyone sends bubble_burst a bitcoin just in case it does something good"
iq 5 BILLION my dude XD
I just dont talk to liberal npc smooth brains about politics, covid, etc. They are too far gone. I dont even want to be near liberals or where they live either.
I take that additional time and put it towards something creative.
Liberals cant create only destroy.
Concerning the masks, I see this too. I don't know if it is cognitive dissonance I'm dealing with or idiocy. Wearing face masks not only 'don't work', but they are very harmful and a vector for cultivating and spreading disease. Wearing a mask causes cancer through hypercapnia and acidosis. It's actually worse than smoking cigarettes. Those people I see wearing face masks is a good sign they are already mRNA vaxxinated and may not have long to live. I stand clear of anyone wearing a mask and will not have my children in proximity of them.
Never Wrestle with a pig, you will get mud all over you and the pig loves it.
So all normies are pigs? Who is interested in teaching the masses what you all have learned in a rational, easily understood way? Or does everyone need to be a decoding autist starting at ground zero in order to understand things? It seems to me that we need people to bridge the gap and have some patience.
No, theres tons of info out there thats easy to understand that the autists have created. The problem is normies dont want to watch an hour and a half documentary about the cabal and their moves against trump. They see "trump" and they think biased. They justify not watching an hour "biased" video when they could be watching friends on netflix cause thats gonna make them laugh and feel good. As it points out in the meme they only accept short and to the point bullet points of facts, like reading out guilty verdicts at the end of a court proceeding. Anything that requires more time and effort than that and they simply do not care. They will take the path of least resistance.
A masterful educator/reformer will meet a person where they are at and bring them along for the ride. I'm not saying you or anyone else has to do such a thing, but I hope we all agree someone who is willing and able to do so is highly appreciated and encouraged. No excuses, no laziness, no intolerance.. but patience and determination like an ocean removing a mountain.
I feel even master educators would struggle with some of these people. Youre forced to manipulate them instead of teach them, its a whole other skillset. They dont want to learn because it makes them unhappy. You have to somehow make it enjoyable for them to learn this stuff which is a big ask. If they hear any of the political buzz words they just exit reality. This is why i just completely disregard their attempts to exit the conversation. Patience and determination is important but we dont have time to erode a mountain. Midterms are quickly approaching and 2024 is on the horizon. You know what else can erode a mountain? Explosives.
Haha please don't confuse my words as asserting that everyone can be changed. Just highlighting a need in the community for this season in time. Clearly there are issues of irreconcilable differences where more drastic things happen. :)
Some folks can be reached. Some can have the fuse lit that leads them to look more critically. Some refuse to believe and think you are crazy, but when they start to hear it from other sources, they start to wonder. These people can be reached. The ones that want to physically assault you because you don't believe what they believe, these are the ones that you can't reach. I just smile and tell them to make sure they get their booster and two masks is a minimum. It reminds me of Noah, building an Ark. Folks all told him he was crazy, but he kept telling them the whole time. When the rain started, he had to watch as the doors were shut. All those that refused to believe were resigned to their fate and drowned. I pretty much feel like that sometimes. When you reach out your hand to rescue someone and they slap your hand away, you can't beat yourself up about it. You did the best you can.
Somehow this reminded me of the follow up survey I just got asked to fill out from the hospital yesterday on how well the level of care I received was. I gave nearly all positive answers, but in the comment section at the end, I went off about the mask Nazis and how the governor dropped all mandates, yet the hospital kept the mask one, how they have been proven Not to work and how the labels on the box state that they do not protect against coronavirus and that I will continue to fight back and protest against trying to take away my God given freedom to breathe fresh air which as an asthmatic and my husband having restrictive lung disease as a resilt of his aortic stenosis surgery from dissection we really need the fresh air and we never consented to have our freedoms removed.
Even if they cede the point they go back to their original idea tomorrow since it's the culture of accepted ideas in their living room that matters in their day to day life.
It truly is an emotional argument, and we know how overly emotional the leftists are. A Pringle falling to the ground could get them crying.
Or a snowflake hitting the ground
Well, yes, if a PRINGLE falls, that calls for tears.
I just say, "Go research it yourself ya lazy fuck!"
See, the problem is these people don't know where to find the real information. If they want to know about the new world order, they look for information from CNN and NYT, and end up more brainwashed than they started out.
It's not about finding real information, it's about what they consider real information, your premise suggests showing someone a source other than CNN would matter, it doesn't. It's a question of values, not facts.
All your facts in the world aren't going to change a homo from wanting man butt.
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Spot on. This is why I say the plan needs to move faster for these brain washed idiots. Hell even then many of them would still stick to their ideals and say it was fake. They are gone. The time for saving then has long passed. We ain’t getting some of them back. It is what it is. I’m fine with it let’s move this plan along.
The know dam well where to not find it. How many times do you need to be kicked in the ass to change direction. I'm sure NOAH said the same thing.
Also a little lazy itself. If people don't want to show the work to their math problem that's fine, but you can't expect people to accept it as fact.
Best reply ever!
Once shown they won’t believe it anyway because Anderson Cooper or Sean Hannity didn’t tell them so. They HAVE to have msm tell them the news, and even then it HAS to be multiple msm fronts saying it. The media in America is no doubt the worst of the worst. And something has to be done about it.
I can't believe I'm giving any support for the MSM, but one thing they do well is explain things to regular people. Sure they do this in a deceptive and misleading manner much of the time, but people don't go away thinking "that guy's an arrogant lazy prick who won't explain what they mean."
I've sent friends and family literally hundreds of memes, but now I've just about given up (there are a few, rare exceptions). No one cares about doing research anymore.
I WANT SAUCE FOR THIS... OR GTFO 👉
In both the context of Q and of reasons why I refused the covid vaxx'es (and other things), I first ask such people where they get their news, or if they trust the mainstream media and the government. If the answer is "CNN-MSNBC-etc." or "late night TV shows" or "Twitter / Fakebook"....or if they say "yes" about trusting MSM/government, I just tell them, "There is absolutely nothing I can say to you that you would understand." And leave it at that.
I don't waste time on people who are willfully ignorant. It was hard enough trying to explain Q back in 2018. In the years since then the subject has become much more complex, with Devolution and Majic Eyes Only and X-22 Reports and a host of other resources that NOW it's almost impossible to read in a newbie to this phenomenon. Those infected with the MSM-social-media-late-night-TV dementia even in the face of what is going on right in front of their face, if they haven't awakened by now on their own accord, they may not have what it takes when reality is put in front of them.
Exactly !
I have wrestled with this for years, trying to comprehend the intellectual / psychological blockage of this type of people.
Jordan Peterson (et. al.) calls it Ideological Possesion.
Now I’ve actually created a bullet point page with the links and had my lefty friends snatch it, glance over it, hand it back telling me, “That’s all conspiracy sites!” Without checking them to see thee actual peer-review studies and heavy documentation! Of course do they offer a counter…no! And then they wave me off and walk away! I’ve found even with hard facts, breaking through their brainwashed mentality, will require a crowbar lobotomy. It’s really sad when they ask for proof, ya give it, and they can’t even spend the time to check it out, when you’re obviously and kindly trying to help them. But then they just blow you off. It makes me mad enough to think, just think; “Why even further try to help these people?! Have we considered maybe at the end battle time it needs to be survival of the fittest and truth believers? Do we really need people like this further going forward?” So in this I put my faith in God to let him decide. It’s all we can do in the end. And that End Won’t Be For Everyone.
When I first had my political awakening it was under Obama. It wasn't even Q or conspiracy theories. It was over easy to prove things. I could not wake them. I remember I explained why Benghazi was a big deal and terrible. They just went blank-eyed and seemed to turn off until I changed the subject. They wouldn't even try to discuss or argue. They'd just tune out anything that challenged the notion that the Obama administration and Hillary were bad.
At least if they got angry that would be a reaction. We are talking just turning into blank face. It is disturbing to watch a person turn off, but I've seen it happen so many times. Their eyes glaze over and their face slackens. They were otherwise very fun and engaging people, but they would not hear criticism of the Left.
I mentioned how Newsom released thousands of criminals over covid to one. She responded "No he didn't." I showed news articles like ABC (the normie-approved) that showed yes he did. Even holding up the article where it said point blank he released 20,000 criminals she just said "I don't believe it".
And that was it. Even if you use normie-accepted sites that say "Yes, it happened" they will just shrug and go "I don't believe it". It's a literal wall. Facts bounce off it.
They have decided how the world works and they won't hear otherwise.
The job of us truthers is to sow enough seeds of doubt in the normies' minds. Whether they find the truth or not is up to them and whether they are curious and whether they are willing to dig for the truth. Every person has to dig up the truth on their own, otherwise it will not stick and its not worth it.
Exactly this. First, you have to question their assumptions. Lately it is: “I don’t know why these people want us to go to war with Russia. Let Germany deal with them. They’re rich and powerful.” (Normies will either agree or just think. It fits with all their past ideals.).
The way the Left destroyed our culture and morals was to constantly attack. That is what we now must do—constantly be attacking their morals as Injustice and their information as fake news that constantly changes. Disney gave us a huge gift with their admission of corrupt and degenerate morality into their movies. Hunter Biden story is so raw, my Lefty family members refuse to even discuss it. You have to carefully wait for those moments every few days, since these ideas must be allowed to marinate.
And yeah I know a lot of lefties who relished talking about the supposed pee-tape but dont want to even acknowledge anything to do with Hunter or pedophilia in general.
Hunter is just a tip of the iceberg, and when the full extent comes out it will send a lot of these people to hospitals.
Or when you DO have a nice compiled list and bookmarks....about say vaccine adverse reactions and damages......and they say....well the Doctors say its safe. And they do it anyways.....ya just gotta say.......Vaya con Dios bros. :D
My leftist friend has a Ph.D. in biology. I showed her a list of 80 studies that indicate masks are ineffective in preventing the spread of a virus and can actually cause harm. She waved her hand and said “Those studies are wrong.”
Masks? For those that actually DO care about proofs but want the masks for themselves and others...I have blown two intelligent educated people away with this, (extended family members):
ME proofs that masks don't work for viruses....followed by
ME yet you still wear one/require others to have one/get mad when others don't wear one...
THEY response becomes, well they do SOMETHING/"I'm more comfortable"
ME Yes. You're more comfortable. WHY are you more comfortable, knowing intellectually that masks don't work?
I just am....(trying to extract themselves from the conversation now)
That makes no sense. Why do you FEEL more comfortable, knowing what you know intellectually? Cognative dissonance.
It's because you are in fact brainwashed. You "feel" an opinion. You're feelings override your intellect. You are BRAINWASHED. Feelings conflicting with knowledge and the feelings WIN? That's brainwashed.
Both bolted the conversation, but I never heard anything about masks from them ever again.
Same happened to me. I got them to admit masks don't work. They all decided to wear them anyway because "I feel better if I wear one". And that's it.
🔺This is one huge drawback to the internet age.🔺
No one has the patients to research, or critical thinking skills to process information anymore. Gimme gimme junk media fast food. 🤡
Only doctors have the patients.
If plandemic 2020 has shown us anything, it’s that doctors are mostly idiots too.
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And the first thing they do is fact check it—as if the MSM has been telling the truth the whole time.
Sad truth! 😑 But that’s what happens when you’re dealing with zealous cult members and not critical thinkers.
Most people have always been that way. It's because they have busy lives and don't care enough to spend time researching. They want to find an authoritative news source they can trust and learn from them. But when you fail to prove you're an authoritative news source, they'll ignore you. This is why we have teachers in school, and people aren't re-discovering multiplication and calculus for ourselves. Society passes on what they have learned to the next generations, and don't expect them to learn everything from scratch.
For instance, do the Clot Shots change your DNA?
Well, back in early 2021 I just KNEW they did, but had no definitive proof.
Now there's at least 1 study that shows they DO.
Oh well.
I stated my opinion they could and even posted some HIV studies which showed mRNA could indeed make changes to DNA.
There were people here who gave me a very hard time for it and told me I didn't understand what the scientific papers were saying, etc.
Come to find out, mRNA behaves exactly the way I thought it did based on my research.
Stunning to contemplate how many millions have been trained to believe there is no evidence of a conspiracy to kill JFK, and no evidence that 9/11 was an inside job, among many other topics. No matter how much evidence they are presented with, they still cling to the belief that no evidence exists. They allow the corporate media to dictate their view of reality.
An inverse Dunning-Krueger is overestimating how smart other people are. Having the information summarized and organized in bullet points is the most complex presentation many could even tackle, and as others have pointed out, it still is enough that they can't get far without someone boiling it down to "yes" or " no."
all of us had to start somewhere in r quest for truth. we had to have that desire to KNOW. there never has been anyone in my life w the same driving need to learn, converse, share info. for me internet was a very useful tool. in the beginning no one helped me on how to do this research. it took awhile to learn how to navigate the diff anon boards but i did persevere. it was well worth it. thankfully i found u guys n have been learning at a much faster pace, researching to 'make it my own'.
Counterpoint:
Preach. We need more teachers who have patience to teach the next generation. People who don't expect everyone to start from scratch and learn how they learned. Sometimes these teachers will come from patient decoders who share.
"pEeR rEvIeWeD"
They don’t know what that means.
As an orbiter of Q now, I am still wrapping my head around what most of your approach as basic information.
To find out what they will accept, ask them before arguing what forms of evidence they will accept and what they will dismiss out of hand.
That gives you a pretty quick idea of how much time to invest.
Truth isn't free, it's earned.
Haha I didn't sticky this for once. MODS = GODS!
This shouldn’t be a surprise for anyone.
What it really shows is your approach was flawed.
What I do is slowly beg the question and understand from the onset that my case will never be quickly made and the best hope is to punch enough of a hole the mustard seed takes root.
Most smart people toil with Reconciliation.
As such - what to do?
Poke holes. Small ones. Believe it or not finding authoritative entities and pointing to them instead of making blanket statements is going to do the most in my experience. For example WTC7. Plenty of angles exist that show actual explosives going off - all pale to the finesse of showing the BBC saying the building collapsed 30 mins before it did.
Don’t be hasty. Target people of importance and keep the work going. Leg work is required. That’s it. Stay focused and never be negative. They want you to go negative so they can emotionally pivot. Don’t identify with what you are saying - only “well I don’t understand this. What do you think?” Let them draw their own conclusions. You can’t win by forcing it.
Remember the goal - not that they see as you do - only that they learn to step back and attempt to ascertain more of the big picture.
Argue ends and merits vs their orthodoxy. These folks are taught to champion authority. This is why they seek sources constantly & trust fact checkers that have repeatedly been caught falsifying information.
Use Grace. Remember - anyone reacts to lies. That realization is hard - be a rock they can lean on.
Brilliant! I am not alone!
They’d believe it if Teen Beat Magazine said it but not from a person. It has to be from trash media. I just plant a seed and walk away. I don’t push. I don’t have the patience anymore and they don’t have the attention span. NCSWIC
Not all have been blessed with discernment.
Yes they have. Discernment wasn’t viewed as a skill and never honed. Too bad for them. Not everyone can swim but if they have arms and legs there’s nothing stopping them. That mindset is bigotry of low expectations.
This mindset is bigotry of high expectations.
Touché;)
Kek. I had Stephen Hawking in mind.
That’s a low expectation that I could get behind!
100+ updoots.
The fact that this post is still at the top of "HOT" 8 hours after I first saw it... Frustrates the hell out of me. I have had many convos with OP's that were unwilling to even suggest a "sauce" for whatever convoluted story/mage they had to share! ~ Source your Material...
Can confirm.
I just send them devolution.link ...
Yeah, I know the feeling
yes summarize your PhD in 5 sentences or less please.
You can't fix stupid.
Bonhoeffer‘s Theory of Stupidity
Lol, that’s EXACTLY what I’m dealing with at this very moment. 😂
They don't want or care about proof of anything it's all group think. Even if you show them 100% proof they will still say "well everyone else thinks what you're saying is bullshit and the news says what you're saying is bullshit I feel better siding with them".
Yes, exactly
My wife tells me that I can't be right because I am in the minority. That means that she won't believe in the great reset or vax depopulation until a certain number of her friends or the MSM tell her it is true.
It's a herd protection thing. I think she assumes it is safer to side with the herd whether they are technically right or not. Well, that doesn't work with the vaxes, the cabal knows all about herds and how to manipulate them.
UUUGGGHHH —I hear ya! When you’ve known sh*t for so long, it becomes accepted knowledge in your world & other people are like wwwhhhaattt? I catch myself all the time deciding wether I really want to get into the weeds or not. It’s two different worlds we’re living in… Before Awake (B.A.) & After Awake (A.A.) 😊