When hearing about Sussman, just remember...
✅ - TRUTH - ✅
Sun Tsu's Art of War
Step 1 - Engage target in a battle that doesnt matter
Step 2 - Loose battle but only just.
Step 3 - Enemy believes they are winning (We are here)
Step 4 - Begin Endgame of the real battle and win
This is logical, this will settle some nerves and put them off guard. Only time will tell if we've been played or not. I'm prepared, it's just super demoralizing.
Exactly, they're now in a position of believing they can't loose, whilst Clinton has been proven to be involved.
Just cause Sussman got away with this, doesn't mean nothing happened.
Was Durham just fishing Sussman? Lots of things on the record now I’ll bet.
I thought this is what was said January 19th. Let them steal it so then we can catch them. Something something something now we got them where we want them... kraken etc. I'd be lying to myself if I just ignored all that and pretend it never happened.
It's logical, but not for the purpose of giving the DS a false sense of security. It's logical because the purpose was for Durham to legally introduce evidence into record that can be used for other indictments. It also shows the world that DC is too corrupt to hold uncorrupted trials.
Remember, RICO laws were first used against the mob, who also bribed judges and jurors. Durham has experience with convicting mobsters. He would have expected this outcome.
I’m not sure how the “now they can use the evidence elsewhere trope” started. The fact that evidence was admitted at one trial doesn’t mean it would be admitted at another - that’s not how the rules of evidence work. There’s also no reason why you wouldn’t just introduce the evidence you wanted in the trial you wanted - there is no rule that it has to have been previously admitted in another proceeding.
The mob was brought down by turning the members against one another - hard to do with an acquittal as he’s lost all leverage over Sussman.
Sussmann getting off this hook only puts others on the hook. His acquittal, in effect does point the finger at someone else. The fact remains- fraudulent evidence was received and used by the FBI.
If Sussmann was not working for Hillary, or anyone at all, as he claims, then it has to mean that someone else has to come up with a reason for why the fake evidence was created, and either accept sole responsibility for creating it, or point the finger at someone else who "made them do it."
Respectfully, I disagree fren. No one else has to come up with a reason for anything - the burden rests solely on the Government to prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt, no one has to prove their evidence.
And, legally speaking, the trial didn’t prove that the FBI received fraudulent evidence. All it proved is that there is a reasonable doubt that Sussman criminally lied to the FBI.
The trial proves the FBI was in possession of fabricated evidence, and used it. It had to come from somewhere. That means Durham will have to ask someone else, under oath.
Why do you think he has to ask anyone else about it? None of the testimony adduced by Durham was remotely new or surprising to him, so he’s had all this time to act on it. And this is the end result - an acquittal of a small fish.
Because the primary question surrounding the Alfa Bank data has not been officially answered. Who is ultimately responsible for pushing false evidence to the FBI?
Problem is, knowing it, and having it on record as an undisputed fact is two different things.
If this is a movie, the point of reveal of facts is absolutely important.
Also, per your original reply to u/Mister_Winston, yes it can absolutely be brought up again elsewhere. Our system uses case law all the time during trials. Referring to previous evidence and case results is a core part of our legal system. It was designed that way originally so verdicts would be consistent with previous rulings, unlike what was happening in english courts at the time, and now apparently. Case law keeps paralegals employed across the country.
A lot of interesting tidbits and tendies were revealed (confirmed publicly?) During the trial.
Mook turned on Clinton, and that was pretty unexpected
I do. People who don't know wtf about much misinterpreting Q post about (paraphrasing) "how do you introduce evidence".
That's how.
This is the correct take, because this is how the legal system works. I expect lots of demoralization psyops as well.
It’s not showing anyone anything that they didn’t already know. Anyone paying attention to this trial knows DC is a corrupt shithole. Normies have no idea this trial even existed.
Only the economy going to shit will get normies to care. Their main priority is entertainment.
Yeah I'm not even sure what the point of these trials are. It's unlikely anything productive will come from them. If the military is the only way why are we even bothering paying attention to this? If the military is the only way we might as well just tune out and wait until the economy collapses.
Yeah I might check out until the economy collapses. Normies care about entertainment more then their own children. Why the hell should I expect these people to ever wake up when half of them STILL WEAR MASKS.
Solid
I keep reminding myself - Musk said he was gearing up for months of struggle. I've heard this same sentiment many times.
Looks like we're close, feels like we're close, but I think we have a ways to go still.
Seriously…esp if we’re talking about using info in another trial.
You don’t purposely lose a trial just to have evidence at a second trial. You could have just introduced the evidence you wanted to at the second trial and skipped the first one. Not sure why people keep saying this.
Time.
Normies need time to digest this info.
So they are breaking it up across multiple trials to spoon feed it to them and give them time to digest.
Especially since as this happens, it's being confirmed with growing events of corruption and decay. This confuses them so they are seeking answers, but it can only be in many steps or they will reject it out of hand as being too weird.
Yea I don’t know either. Maybe to ease the pain. Or maybe “we don’t know what’s happening behind the scenes”.
I’m gonna focus on the WHO win and wait and see what happens in the next 48 hours. Every time there’s a “huge blow” there’s always a win around the corner.
This is horsepucky, to cover for the lack of any habbenings of substance. The endgame is a permanently collapsed economy and world governance, in you haven't figured that out before now. Happy to be of assistance.
Sussman was a little fish...but look how much was brought out in the trial...and the jury was stacked and Durham knew it but wasnt to concerned...part of the plan?? maybe
Exactly. Look who Sussmann was dealing with. Are we going to make the direction of all future events spawn from "You didn't choose to die instead of lying to the FBI for your client"?
No. This should not be the deciding case. But, having seen how Durham works in court, imagine what he's going to do to the others.
What? He was entirely unimpressive in court. The Government has a 99.96% conviction rate in criminal trials. He just missed a layup. What’s he going to do to the others, exactly? Acquit them more?
I know this sounds doomish, really not my intent. I just think we are all trying to do this incredibly difficult and complicated work of understanding Q and the plan, we have to admit that it’s ok we were wrong sometimes and sometimes a rabbit hole is just a dead end. We’re not perfect. However, I think it would be far more productive to learn from this and conduct a post-Mortem on what we got wrong in our processing and analysis, so that we will be better when investigating other events.
I got flamed last week for predicting this outcome and advising people to not lose hope.
Again: Don't lose hope. Not every loss is a loss.
Pretty much how chess works right?
Pretty much. Chess, militarily - there's the term "pyrrhic victory", comes to mind in this case. Pawns or pieces are sacrificed to hold the line.While it looks like patriots have "lost", the Cabal has lost so much more and we haven't seen where Durham is going to pivot next.
Much agreed with u/JackieDaytona74 here. We, the People, are going to be losing and continuing to lose, right up until we WIN and WIN big. Remember, this movement has to be biblical. The only way to reach the precipice is to continue to lose and the situation deteriorates.
u/#q36
u/#q26
BIC (awesome handle, btw), thank you for being one of the people on GAW that's still reading the Q drops and using them for guidance.
Your use of the phrase "pyrrhic victory" victory here is perfect in that in this "loss" for patriots, elements of the scam were exposed to the public AND to other courts that HRC would never, ever want public.
Thanks Jackie. My handle is a play on an awesome conservative, Christian Zoomer Youtuber named John Doyle and his site is "Heck Off Commie". https://www.youtube.com/c/JohnDoyle
I'll just say that I think that's there's a lot of GAWers that do read the drops, but it's easy for forget some of the basics from time to time. Also, folks should learn how to do the linking system on .Win, so they show in-line with your post (and a person doesn't have to click an extra link to take you out of GAW).
GAW needs to start mentally preparing for more "losses" to come. Spoiler: the mid-terms are gonna be stolen, again, but the fraud will be even more obvious. Everyone still needs to get out and vote and get involved, regardless.
I predicted the same on the mid-terms!!!
There's no way the cabal can just let a red wave occur, especially with patriots being so involved in the primaries and preventing selected candidates from getting the nomination.
And it all dovetails with Q's drops. It's going to get worse before it gets better. People need to see that the system is broken before they'll be willing to take dramatic steps to fix it.
Preaching to the choir, I know : )
Very, very nice to meet someone who is thinking critically and strategically.
Absolutely agree on mid-terms! It sucks to think about, but having a red-wave overcome the mid-terms doesn't get us closer to the Precipice. The faster we rip the band-aid off, the better, in my opinion :(
We could be wrong, too, but it just doesn't make sense - Cabal is going to string this out to the bitter end.. As long as we're using Dominon/voting machines, we're never going to out-fraud the machines lol.
Wish we had a "follow" or friend system on .Win like Plebbit does - would make it easier to keep up with folks.
"We could be wrong, too, but it just doesn't make sense - Cabal is going to string this out to the bitter end."
Completely agree, BIC. We could be. But I can confidently say that neither of us have arrived to these conclusions without considerable thought and research.
I wish we had a follow as well. I did bookmark your profile so I can always check in. You're awesome, BIC.
You were one of the people I was talking about in another post!
Now that Sussman has been found "innocent of lying to the FBI"... but has testified under oath (deposition + trial) and a mountain of new evidence has been entered into the court records due to his case...
... is it possible that HE will be brought back as a primary witness again and again in future trials? If Durham is actually going after past FBI leaders and DOJ officials... then having Sussman as a future witness is important. He can't plead the 5th and refuse to testify, because he already can't be charged again for lying to or coordinating false testimony with the FBI. His testimony is already on record... so he has to stick with what has already been revealed.
HE may be important in frying several high ranking ex-DOJ and ex-FBI officials.
Correct answer. Also, important to state his case was nullified by the jury. Words matter. Sussmann and the FBI admitted under oath that he was guilty.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_nullification
Where did you see that the case was nullified? I'm seeing only that he was acquitted. Did the judge nullify?
The jury chose to find him not guilty even though they had every bit of evidence and testimony from the FBI that he was guilty. That is Jury Nullification.
Can someone explain the difference to a simpleton
Jury Nullification is when a jury knows someone is guilty, but chooses to find them not guilty anyway. It's the exact reason why we are tried before a jury of our peers, because it lets the community of citizens choose to nullify unnecessary laws.
Thanks fren, so if that was what happened in the trial, what is the real world consequences of one verdict vs the other.
Evidence submitted and allowed in one trial may be used in another related trial. Additionally, that evidence and any testimony can be used for future indictments or proceedings. Most importantly, the testimonies given in this trial were under oath, so any conflicting testimony in the future trials is provable perjury.
All I can say is good thing I didn’t open my big mouth and tell everyone Clinton is getting arrested this week.
Oh, before I forget to answer your question.
The verdict was only regarding whether Sussy lied to the FBI. There would be no Double Jeopardy if/when Sussmann is pulled back in to answer for other indictments.
In a nutshell, a jury verdict can be nullified when the finding goes against what was clearly presented. In this case, Sussman clearly lied and was clearly shown by the prosecution to have lied and the jury still found him not guilty. Whether the prosecution requests a nullification is one thing; whether the judge will actually nullify the verdict is another story. Does that make any sense to you?
Yes it does. Does the judge get to decide onesidedly to nullify or depends on prosecution to request it? On what grounds? And how can the judge decide to nullify? Is there any minimum test? My point is….not in this case only… but when can a judge decide he doesn’t like the jury’s conclusion and make his own judgement?
From the wikipedia post it sounds like it can be done at the judge's discretion or the prosecution can request. It also appears that the defense can request too.
Any attorney pedes here that can help to clarify jury nullification?
I guess my point is what’s stoping someone from just not liking the verdict and scraping it?
Where is this stated? It would make a big difference imho
Jury Nullification is when a jury knows someone is guilty, but chooses to find them not guilty anyway. It's the exact reason why we are tried before a jury of our peers, because it lets the community of citizens choose to nullify unnecessary laws.
I actually like this take. One thing that was off was that the judge wouldn’t allow certain emails to be admitted due to the fact that he wasn’t charged with conspiracy. The judge did say there was obvious evidence. This may be a lead up to being charged later with conspiracy. As others have said, it’s laying the groundwork
u/#updoot
I was just chatting with someone privately that, so many fool themselves into thinking they know the plan and hang all their hope on a single habbening.
Honestly I’m gonna save this, because at this point hope is all I have.
Hope is all any of us has, and it's a LOT. Especially since not one of us has any inside information or factual data that would supersede hope.
I think many Americans are like my wife. She is a "new" American and hardcore Trump supporter who used to watch and keep up with all the happenings. Now, she doesn't want to hear about any of it.... Emotionally, she has blocked it out, and has shrunk back into a shell.
I think painfully obvious has came and went.
To me, Trump will go down more of a hero without a disclosure. If his disclosure is... "we have been in control the entire time!", we were just letting you guys suffer and letting the country completely break so that we can all look like HEROs!
that isn't going to play nearly as well with me... maybe I'm the minority, or maybe I'm not...
Why would he say something so utterly obnoxious? Crazy
Better question would be why would he do it?
Do they have control or don't they? Did Biden steal the election or didn't he?
If both of those questions are answer with a yes, then the american people are going to ask why it took so long. And if the answer is Political in nature... which is what the Devolution articles continue to say, then it won't be pretty
We get these shills that set their own goalposts then go "See? Failed". They never asked what my goalposts were. No, they try to claim their goalposts are mine.
Even if Sussman had been convicted it would have been a slap on the wrist like Clinesmith. I've said this for months. This is a rico case. You use the small fry to go for the big fish.
But shills are like "NOOOOOO. Small fries are imPOrtANt."
If Sussman had been convicted then the FBI would have been proven as blameless in this. Think of all the evidence that came out because of the Sussman investigation. We know about Joffe. All of that is being used by Alfa Bank in their case against Fusion GPS. Much of the Sussman case is being used by Alfa Bank to win Discovery.
As sleepydude said, you have to have evidence for Discovery, but only Discovery gets you the evidence.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/how-the-sussmann-trial-revealed-hillary-clinton-e2-80-99s-role-in-the-alfa-bank-scandal/ar-AAXz6Fo
Fainting couches were overrun by panicked leftists as the finger was pointed at Clinton during the trial. Washington collectively gasped and squealed in horror the Mook would say this in a trial. How dare he!
Thanks for laying out the doomer's mindset. You've really nailed it somehow.
What's the misrepresentation? What lie are you talking about?
There is a difference between jumping ship and also planning for the possibility that we’re the 5-7%.
The most intelligent, best armed anons are sitting around going… well I guess in two more weeks! I’m one of them. I’m paralysed. I’m a law abiding citizen who follows the rules. So the military really needs to get their shit together because here in Canada, they’re going to start camping us soon.
Trust me, patriot, the most intelligent anons are not sitting around fortnightfagging, or datefagging this in any other way. The ship has long ago sailed on "waiting a certain number of weeks" for "something" to.....drum roll please....."happen."
Eventually we're all going to find out that it's already happened, and what happened probably wasn't what we thought; it's better.
Lol fortnightfagging. Good one.
It's like the media controls the psyche of the nation and its people
Yeah, there's some Arizona stuff happening today. Maybe cabal was focused here in DC while that was going on...
Wait…are you saying all eyes should be on Arizona?
Yup. All of them.
https://greatawakening.win/p/15IEJrfcpM/today-rsbn-will-be-live-from-ari/c/
At least that seems to be the next act, now that Sussman pulled an "exit stage left." I dropped my program somewhere on the last popcorn run.
If some of the levers of government was still working, how could the military be the only way?
Q responding to a doomer:
#1291
#26
The military, not the judiciary?
Hm!!
This is exactly the verdict I expected. The point of the trial was not to convict Sussman, though it would've been nice. The point was to legally introduce evidence into record. Extra credit for showing the world how corrupt the judicial system in DC is.
Elias is next.
So we needed to lose the conviction on top of it? Why?
Durham didn't need to lose. Winning would've been nice. He needed to achieve an objective: Introducing evidence into record and making it public as opposed to being obtained through NSA spying.
C'mon man, its simple. If Sussman is guilty it means he mislead and materially affected the FBI's course of actions and we all know FBI was complicit.
If he was found guilty FBI would walk free.
Have to see how some of this shakes out.I feel there was more than enough evidence to find him guilty. An innocent finding is not a good thing. Even if they can use his testimony elsewhere I dont know how any of it will be of use considering this trial was essentially the foundation of any future indictments.
All future trials can just point to this and say"See, he was innocent, there was no conspiracy", which is what Durham was aiming for.
Ar this point there is next to nothing that will come of the Danchenko trial and that will be another year from now till we get any meaningful result in that.
Sun Tsu's Art of Hopium Trolling
Bizarre verdict. But thanks for the post, good reminder.
They need to exhaust all possible legal avenues too, everything is now provably rigged or subverted.
the lights just turned on...NOW WATCH THE ROACHES SCATTER, while they're ALL being recorded! NCSWIC!!!
Butt guise...
I thought the entire project to bring down the deepstate cabal that's deeply entrenched in DC hinged on this one trial in DC of this one DC lawyer before a crooked DC judge and DC jury!! How can ANY of the plan be true now?!?!?!
WOE IS WE
Legit cope but sun tzu is good.
Anyhow, precipice has to be reached. Nowhere near it
Thank you
Sounds like the plot of an Avengers movie.
Enough of me dooming but legit question, how exactly is this going to wake up normies when they continue to see us “lose”? (maybe we are losing, maybe we’re winning behind the scenes?) Me personally I’m just along for the ride.
Hillary was formally accused, under sworn testimony of promoting fabricated evidence. Lefties aren't going to count that as a win.
Nice variation on the typical Doomer Intro
Better question: why are we waiting for them to wake up? If the military is the only way, we already know it, and are in complete control, why in the fuck are we still waiting on people that are just refusing to ever wake up? We’re in control or we aren’t. Years upon years, more than half a decade, of waiting for people to “wake up.” Trump on the escalator was, what, seven years ago now?
And why would we need to introduce this evidence into the record now? He was given freedom to pretty much prosecute whoever he wanted. Prosecute the bitch for what she did and introduce the evidence in her trial. Why do you need to introduce it in the Sussman trial? In anyone who thinks we needed to do this, this way, we didn’t. That’s absolutely false.
You don’t need to lose a trial to set up a victory in another trial. In fact, that actually hurts us. Badly.
There's still the appeal to a higher court, is there not?
Doesn't the ENTIRE judicial system the whole way up need to be proven corrupt for the military to come in and say "ok, that's enough. We're taking it from here." ? If the military tries to take control before all the corruption is brought to light, they will look like THEY are the coup. We need the corrupt at all levels to show themselves, first, because then the military will easily be seen as the good guys.
Even losing a court battle is a step toward recognition of YET ANOTHER swamp creature. Durham could be smiling because he knows another corrupt judge is about to out himself ... which means he's another step closer to his next, more important victim. Maybe?
When B covers for A, B can be used to find C. C to find D. Etcetera, etcetera. As they cover for each other, they publicly reveal themselves and their roles in the scandal, and they themselves will become hunted and will fall even easier when the time comes. If they don't cover for each other, they will turn against each other and testify against each other, anyway. They aren't helping their situations by covering for each other. Durham knows too much and they are only making things worse for each other.
Thoughts?
Wow....just wow..
u/#durham
A lot of Evidence was revealed. That and others involved. Who's next? Danchenko trial. Elias, Joffe, Mook, HRC, DNC indictments unsealed?
Or will it be US of America vs HRC, DNC, Perkins, Coie, Elias, Joffee, Mook, FBI, CIA and others in a RICO case?
If so, will the trial be moved to a different district, like Virginia? And will it be a Trump appointed judge and jurors that are not politically biased to their crimes?
It seems like a loss, but I believe it's actually a win. The evil left is walking right into their own mousetrap.
MSM already using this to smear Trump and use as proof that their RUSSIA claims were legit.
You can try and spin this for the positive, but it wasn't.
If the trial was about teaching the public or exposing information, then I think it probably failed on that as well. There was nothing found out in the trial I didn't know by reading Bongino's book "Spygate" in 2018... 4 years ago now...
I will probably be labeled DOOMER, but I'm just trying to explain some truth.
Over and over people kept saying the evidence was overwhelming on this site, and it wasn't. Not even close. Durham's attorneys were not very good compared to Sussman's, at least 8 of the jurors have contributed to democrat party, and the judge was a democrat on top of it.
On top of all that, the entire case comed down to a lying James Baker's testimony, when HE is the biggest benefactor of the lie.
I thought Durham was the underground battle that matters
All we can do is wait and hope that justice prevails, but at some point, justice does need to prevail, or all is indeed lost, and a new Republic will need to be fought for.
It feels like we have been living on step 3 for a couple years now, but I’m hopeful for the future!
Lose, not loose.
Don’t worry, causing brain aneurisms for Patriots is all part of the plan.
True, he only seemed to deal in regular warfare.
Wasted his budget chasing down usb drives.
Pretty much this.