What about Dr. Oz though? Even though he has Turkish citizenship, he was President Trump's pick for the Pennsylvania Senate. Sometimes people from outside of America are the only ones who can truly understand what makes this country great.
Could President Trump have backed him because of some master 5D chess move we don’t comprehend? I don’t personally think he backed him because he thinks Oz is great for America and the MAGA movement. I feel like there’s another reason, but that’s my personal opinion.
Oz is a master bullshitter and snake oil guzzler who has been exposed more than once. Trump's endorsement is either a mistake or Oz has something to hide. I don't know but I do know that the guy and his opinions are to be desperately avoided.
We all come from different walks of life. Sometimes you need a good bullshitter on the team. I don't think President Trump makes mistakes, we have to trust the plan.
Sorry, I don't support anyone who is anti-cannabis. If it wasn't for that, I wouldn't even be able to get out of bed. That's just the tip with him. He's against personal liberty and personal responsibility.
I trust the plan but I see a lot that isn't right but we'll see, fren.
Turkey will never allow citizenship to be relinquished. Morocco does the same. And they proscribe the names a child born of Turkish/ Moroccan citizens can have. This way, they sneakily create a long arm, and can exercise influence on politics ....
I agree, and maybe that is indeed how he feels. But it is not accepted in Turkey by the .gov.
In The Netherlands we call this: Erdogan' s long arm. The same thing for Germany.
It was short before the 2017 elections, if I remember correctly. VVD of PM Rutte stood to lose quite a lot of seats in parliament to the PVV and FVD. So, this did not sit well with the Turks, en in went some female minister of his, causing a political problem, which of course would make Rutte a hero of the day. Next we know, his party won the elections.
This is the advantage of having dual citizens to a country that prohibits renunciation of their citizenship.
And worse, it maintains a permanent multi-generational 5th column.It is a huge mistake to take people and give them citizenship while they have to maintain their old one while keeping their kids in that same bondage.
You want to solve 99% of our problems... ban lawyers from serving in congress or as POTUS/VP. Pass the BAR you are instantly disqualified. Problem solved.
In the scriptural sense, it means to have two allegiances, one to God, one to the world, which is an internal battle that ultimately destroys a person as their is no focus in life. One cannot live correctly if you are a part time believer, and a part time. Can you continuously be a liar, a thief, a murder, adulterer and claim to live a life that strives for righteousness following Godly principles? The short answer is no as those are diametrically opposed, every decision will be compromised, granted if you earnestly stopped living the life of a thief, murderer and so forth, that is completely different. You can't follow two opposite like that without a lot of internal contention, and that will be shown in every aspect of your actions.
Not sure how but their funding needs to be 100% transparent to heck with privacy when you hold public office. Includes close family members as well. That is the ONLY way to ever have them answer to We the People.
Same way I have zero concern for DiFi's privacy as she canoodles with her Chinese spy chauffer for years.
Ah I misunderstood that this was only pertaining to office holders. I agree that anyone holding public office should have to give up their financial privacy.
Here's an idea: governments have to do everything in bitcoin, that way there is 100% transparency.
You no longer get your rights if you sign up for the military - you get an alternate set of rights.
So, why do we care if the privacy of elected officials is curtailed for the public good? Or even beurecrats? This is a nation for the people, not whomever can cram the most gibs for their dynasties into the maw of the spending season.
It should be that everyone working for any level of government must stipulate all incomes, ownerships, beneficiary, or any other word meaning they gained stuff and then be required to relinquish or repatriate everything off soil as a condition of employment or being elected.
Every government employee has to do this. Disclosure of all financial ties to foreign businesses, foreign banks, ownership of foreign companies or ANY monetary gain from any source outside of the US. Anyone with a security clearance is required to disclose any contacts with ANY foreign nationals period. Our exalted office holders are not required to do any of this. Most of them could not pass a background check to even obtain a security clearance. If we want to make it a requirement that every single elected office holder must be investigated up to a TS-SCI level, this would be the way. The investigations are very thorough and polygraphs should be required every 6 months for every elected official and appointee. This is how we stop corrupt POS' from getting into office and weeding out the ones that do get there. Every single one should be required to undergo a psychological evaluation to also weed out the psychopaths and sociopaths. There are many more out there than you think. They are predominantly at the highest levels of government.
Every government employee I don't agree with. There's a certain level that it definitely has to happen - but the current ties to report are foreign. I say all finances. Everything - and not just you, anything you are in charge of or can make use of.
As for psychological profiling, it's all a crock. We all share traits that are dubious and we all have moments we give into them. The actions taken are the only judgement we should go for.
The psychological screening is to locate sociopathic and psychopathic personalities. Some of psychology is a crock, but there is quite a bit of profiling and patterned behavior and response that is dead on accurate. The ability to identify aberrant personality disorders is very accurate because it is based on anecdotal evidence that numbers in the hundreds of thousands or millions. It isn't just some hare brained quack dreaming up the patterns of behavior
I disagree. Its all a crock built upon a loose federation of gravel. Its all back casted (he had a bad childhood, therefore he committed this crime) and almost always proven hilariously inept when they are trotted out in news situations to tell us who to look for that's doing some x thing.
The old "bad childhood" excuse is about the most ridiculous thing that ever got trotted out into public. I work with a guy that was born in prison. He spent his first 18 years of life in foster care. Some of the families starved him, abused him and degraded him. His last family of four years was good to him and built a safe environment for him to grow. He joined the Marine Corps at 17. He served for 18 years until a helicopter crash in Iraq broke his back and he suffered a traumatic brain injury. He spent a year in a hospital bed and had to wear a diaper for another year. He was medically discharged from the Marines with 30% disability and not allowed to reach 20 years to retire. He receives $1200 a month in disability and still has full VA benefits because they are still trying to fix his TBI that has left him with deficiencies. He holds no grudges against the Marine Corps, even though I think he was screwed. He refuses to hire a lawyer to have them reconsider his disability because he says that some of his brothers are missing limbs, are paralyzed or are far more damaged. He goes to the gym everyday. He volunteers at the local orphanage and donates money, clothes, school supplies and time. He has a wife and a child and works full time plus is a licensed exterminator and does it on weekends to generate extra money. He is a stand up guy that I trust with my life. All this with a childhood much worse than mine. So to folks with the excuse of a bad childhood, it holds no water with me.
As far as which government employees, there are laws which deal with conflict of interest that prohibit employment for a certain number of years within the same sphere. Unfortunately, like most of the laws, it never seems to apply to the highest levels of government. They find ways to skirt around the law by finding loopholes in the letter of the law and violating the crap out of the spirit of the law. I think that once you get into handling finances and directing awards of contracts, they should be required to non-compete for a number of years after leaving government service.
Sounds pretty reasonable to me. Pretty sure this can all be hashed out and agreed upon after some intelligent debate to create a system that is difficult to corrupt.
Yes I don’t believe this issue has been decided by supremes yet.
Natural born been assumed to mean native born but many scholars believe it means parents are American.
So this would mean no anchor babies.
The 14th amendment was meant for slavery at the time, not for birth tourists, or someone entering the country unlawfully while pregnant, or anything else resembling that. Children born to military parents while stationed overseas are not citizens of that country the parent was stationed in, they are American citizens.
The Issue is the clause “and subject to the jurisdiction thereof”,
I.e. foreigners are subject to foreign jurisdiction. Implying not native-born citizenship but from parents. At time they did not consider Native American tribes as citizens because of this.
What kind of nutcase mother flees to another country to have a baby where she doesn’t know anyone just because her tv says it’s better to be in America? You kidding me? That should be an automatic rejection
What?! You don't believe those people with the brand new clothes who just had their hair and nails done and could match Stacey Abrams pound for pound are starving, desperate refugees?? You cynic you. heh
I believe that anyone who was not born into US citizenship should not be allowed to hold any office in the United States at all, not even city dog catcher. I'd go as far as saying they shouldn't be allowed to vote either, we should have a different tier of citizenship for foreign born people who become US citizens. As far as I'm concerned they should be forever grateful for being allowed to come here and if they don't like it they can leave. This would require constitutional amendment though i believe so it's unlikely to happen.
America created the modern representative republican form of government, hardly any foreigners truly understand what it means to be an American. They can come here, have children and raise their children as Americans then their children can be the ones who can vote and hold office if they want.
No. This is garbage thinking that got us bullshit like minimum sentencing and generalized rulings.
There are people who were born elsewhere that bleed red white and blue and should be given a chance to prove it. Our system as it reads is fine. The problem is the enforcement or rather lack thereof. We are a melting pot society. If you want isolationism, there are plenty of separatist colonies you can flock to.
Prejudice just all around needs to die. I don't agree with your idea and reject it completely. We aren't any one person's idea of a country. We're 320 million individual ideas. Limited influence is the answer. Not granting the government more power to regulate citizenship.
I have to side with Camaro on this one. My mother was foreign born and came to this country in the early 1970's. She has worked her entire life with multiple jobs to raise two children on her own. She is more American than these native born BLM/Antifa and college attendees. She wouldn't hesitate to protect this country and die for it. She raised two extremely proud American patriots that served in the Army and the Navy. My sister became a police officer for over the last 20 years and died a police detective. I have served the Navy for 29 years and would die with a smile on my face for this country. My mother would be the best politician in the world because she doesn't lie, ever. She is coldly brutal with the truth and doesn't take shit from anyone. You can't bribe her or blackmail her. The only thing that would be leverage against her is me. First generation Americans generally love and respect this country because they know the shithole they left had no opportunities or freedoms. When they get that here, its like a drug that they will never give up willingly and fight to defend it.
The rest of my mom's brothers and sisters all came here later on. Every single one is hard working blue collar. They are all extremely conservative and love this country. They are all capitalists and have zero love for socialism and communism. Living across the border from China and North Korea tends to make people appreciate capitalism and a representative democracy. Kinda like the Cubans that made it here. They all seem to be extremely staunch conservatives.
Ok well I’m glad she’s in the minority but for the most part of your a fucking guest here the no way you are able to get elected or appointed to anything. We’re being invaded and overthrown and it’s a small price to pay for recent immigrants to fuck off and let true Americans run the shit. Sorry but not sorry.
Your true Americans were burning cities down and murdering other Americans while touting socialism. Legal immigrants were not. Your True Americans are raiding conservative homes/terrorizing peaceful demonstrators and setting up false flags and murdering innocent bystanders. Funny how none of these things are done by legal immigrants. I guess they were too busy working.
Maybe not but they still should not be able to hold elected office. And how do you know it wasn’t immigrants? Think about this one branden gives them amnesty all the illegals magically become legal - what’s that do to your argument?
Amnesty doesn't magically grant citizenship. Amnesty is forgiving the crime of coming into this country illegally. They don't get citizenship, but they can start the process to try and get resident status, then naturalization.
This is what my biggest problem with some folks here; generalizing any group of people or individuals with only a surface categorization is illogical and ignorant. All classifications should be based on merit and individual behavior and actions. I don't look at illegal aliens as immigrants. They are criminals that entered the country illegally, thereby committing a crime. There must be penance attached to any criminal act. They are not anywhere in the same class as immigrants. We have allowed them to manipulate the language to morph illegal alien into illegal immigrant. Thus marginalizes and blurs the line to make illegal immigrants and immigrants as close cousins. They are not and we should only ever use the term illegal alien or criminal invader. This all being said, I believe we should have a process for processing illegal aliens. Instead of the expense of hunting them down and deporting them. We should declare a period of registration where they can come forward register themselves, be given a registration number, an ID card and a 7 year probation. They would be completely ineligible for social benefits and would be required to be employed or be actively seeking employment. During the 7 year probation period any criminal act that is more serious than a non-violent misdemeanor is grounds for removal of registered status and immediate deportation. If they ever return, they are placed into a work camp and treated as prisoners for a period of time before they are deported again. The work camps would perform labor to benefit taxpayers as penance for breaking the law at the border. If the re-enter the country again illegally, then they are given a life sentence of hard labor. The ones that make it to 7 years with model behavior would be granted a green card. They can then start the process of naturalization after the prerequisite years required to obtain such, excluding any time on probation.
Lol. Where in the actual fuck do you get this conclusion from? A majority of legal immigrants are based and as for the ones that aren't, they're allowed to have their own opinions.
We’re being invaded and overthrown and it’s a small price to pay for recent immigrants to fuck off and let true Americans run the shit
This has been proven to be nothing but GOP establishment talking points and propaganda used to gaslight idiots like yourself. Sadly, as you have displayed, it actually works. Who are you to decide who should be allowed in? Well thankfully you are no one. I took an oath to protect the rights of ALL Americans especially the ones who want to be here and are foreign. Don't like it? I don't fuckin care. I and many MANY others like me will oppose you supremist faggot types without hesitation. Your declarations are un-American and disgusting. This nation does not belong to you and other simpletons who actually think blanket bans are a good thing. They aren't. They show how intellectually challenged you are because you approach concept problems with sub-par basic math and thereby become part of the problem and NOT the solution.
You are free to continue to air your stupidity, but this country belongs to all Americans who are born here or immigrate here. Don't like it? You're free to get the fuck out.
Oh Fuck this is Going Camaro I didn't realize it was you. lol. ok well thanks for the essay or whatever but i tldr your bullshit long ago. kindly fuck off
If you are speaking as someone living in deep blue bullshit, you're worldview is greatly distorted. I live in deep red MAGA country that is incredibly diverse and everyone gets along fine. Those who don't well... we have a Second Amendment for that...
America doesn't belong to the white man... or the black man... or the yellow man... or the pink man... or the red man... or the brown man... or the (insert whatever color here) man... it belongs to the American. Don't like it? Leave.
I'd go for max: 12 years in the Congress, 12 years in the Senate, 8 years as President.
And you can't work in the bureaucracy if you've held office. You can't run for office if you've worked in the bureaucracy. (just tossing out ideas here).
Yes, specifying a max prevents grifters from representing different states to get around term limits. 4yrs Rep, 12yrs Sen, 8yrs Pres still adds up to 24yrs, maybe a lifetime limit of 16yrs?
Close the revolving door - shall not hold any government position (elected or otherwise) while running for office unless you hold the office you are running for?
stop the payola - no government worker or official shall shall accept jobs, contracts, or employment from any entity contacted by or lobbied by during the time in the government position?
Once I leave government service this year, I plan on being employed by a contractor. I have topped out as high as I can go and have been this way for five years. I will continue to do my same exact job as a contractor, but for more money. The reason I will get hired is because I am the only person with a specific set of skills that no one else has. If I could not get hired as a contractor, there would be no one to do the job and the amount of cost and damage to certain ships in the fleet would cost billions to replace and take up to 10 years to retrofit. That is if they could replace the equipment, which they can't because it doesn't exist yet. I do not have a bureaucratic job, I do not put out contacts, nor do I deal in money or funding. I am simply the only technical resource in the world that can do what I do. Theoretically, a replacement could be found, but if I do not train them, it will take them 3-10 years to be proficient and 20 years to reach my level, if they were very gifted. I am not bragging, I simply have the right set of skills and attributes to be the best at what I do. Blanket ideas need to be carefully weighed and measured to determine the best course of action. There are always exceptions to every general rule. We have to be careful in dictating rules without taking into account the long term and short term effects, both positive and negative. There are others like me in their specific areas of proficiency, they are hard to come by and extremely difficult to replace. It actually seems like our community is getting smaller and smaller because people are retiring or dying and the new generation is simply not performing as well, nor are they growing in skill like they should be. It is getting very scary because of the lack of potential. Even the PHD's don't seem to be the same caliber.
I get that. My grandfather worked in soil conservation in the 60s, 70s & early 80s. He was called back to work regularly because the college graduate hires didn’t have his experience. Getting a degree in a classroom is much different than learning on the job. I don’t know why it’s called soil conservation. His job was telling farmers what to with ditches & creeks on farm land. Beavers are a big problem in NC & they will damn up the water over night.
Agree. Being an elected official is supposed to be a TEMP job, not the lifelong scam that it is now. Real people with real lives wouldn't want to be there for very long anyhow.
I'd throw in supreme court justice as well, just to be sure. and let's make a distinction that dual-citizens are not considered natural born citizens of the united states.
This should be on the list for discussion in the aftermath of the Great Awakening. I would argue this along with Term Limits, Campaign Finance Reforms (such as no money from outside the district of the office should ever be allowed), and Minimum Permanent Residence Requirements.
Yeah no, fuck you. I'm more based than many of my American friends who've lost the script long ago. Where you're born is not the ultimate bearing on your world view or philosophy. Get that ignorant shit outta here
his mom was 1st gen he is half 2nd gen. But regardless, I don't see the point of drawing the line at 1st gen, they could be even more passionate and invested in keeping the American way of life than 8th get liberal.
I also don't understand the point of birth place granting citizenship.
In Australia, you cannot be elected to Federal politics if you hold dual citizenship, which is supposed to eliminate any conflict of interest.
However, this does not eliminate corrupt politicians. Look at Biden for Eg. Everyone knows he’s corrupt, even people in his party know this because they too are feeding from the same corrupt trough. So although, this may sound perfectly sensible; stupid, senile corrupt politicians aren’t excluded.
they should be paid by performance. Hourly rate based on hours worked. The ones that work only 3 months out of the year, should be paid for 3 months. If they don't produce any good legislature or find old legislature to eliminate due to obsolescence, then they need to produce a record of what they did and why they should be paid.
You are right. No one with: 1) Dual citizenship, 2) foreign born, 3) anchor baby born of illegal aliens, 4) history of convicted criminal behavior should be allowed to hold ANY GOVERNMENT office.
I’ve lived abroad for a long time and it would be hella weird for me to be able to vote in a culture I didn’t grow up in. I would cast a vote with my American perspective and it wouldn’t feel right.
I typically agree with the OP’s posts, however, the shortsightedness of this perspective is disappointing. I state this as an immigrant, who loves this country and takes nothing it offers for granted, unlike some of my fellow citizens, whose families, in many cases, go back multi-generations. It’s best to judge a person by their actions rather than their lineage.
Agreed. And NO dual citizenship. And NO offshore accounts. Heavy, heavy penalties and forfeit of office for either of the last two.
Now we're making sense.
What about Dr. Oz though? Even though he has Turkish citizenship, he was President Trump's pick for the Pennsylvania Senate. Sometimes people from outside of America are the only ones who can truly understand what makes this country great.
Sorry, I'll stick with US born citizens without any outside allegiances.
No, this is how we lose.
Q said to trust the plan. President Trump backed Dr. OZ. That is the plan. I don't know why you're here if you're not a part of this.
Could President Trump have backed him because of some master 5D chess move we don’t comprehend? I don’t personally think he backed him because he thinks Oz is great for America and the MAGA movement. I feel like there’s another reason, but that’s my personal opinion.
I've noticed that the MSM is absolutely tearing into Dr. Oz. He knows something and they're afraid of what he'll do once elected.
Oz will do what he say and is more "electable" especially in the female demographic
You'll be happy to know that my opinion doesn't count on oz. I live in Texas.
Trump endorsed Dems too (as a joke). Does that mean you should blindly follow?
The awakening requires that you think for yourself, don't be a lamb.
Literally every time issues come up around here, all we get is "trust the plan". Are we giving up on that now?
Oz is a master bullshitter and snake oil guzzler who has been exposed more than once. Trump's endorsement is either a mistake or Oz has something to hide. I don't know but I do know that the guy and his opinions are to be desperately avoided.
Yeah, just watch his tv show for a few weeks. If that doesn’t make you question IDK what will. Oh yeah he’s an Oprah buddy.
Exactly
We all come from different walks of life. Sometimes you need a good bullshitter on the team. I don't think President Trump makes mistakes, we have to trust the plan.
Sorry, I don't support anyone who is anti-cannabis. If it wasn't for that, I wouldn't even be able to get out of bed. That's just the tip with him. He's against personal liberty and personal responsibility.
I trust the plan but I see a lot that isn't right but we'll see, fren.
And Elon Musk
Trump has made several shitty picks, one of the being Oz.
Turkey will never allow citizenship to be relinquished. Morocco does the same. And they proscribe the names a child born of Turkish/ Moroccan citizens can have. This way, they sneakily create a long arm, and can exercise influence on politics ....
Dr. Oz could renounce it though.
Yes he could. ... But Turkey won' t allow it.
I mean, he could simply say he renounces it and stop voting in Turkish elections.
I agree, and maybe that is indeed how he feels. But it is not accepted in Turkey by the .gov.
In The Netherlands we call this: Erdogan' s long arm. The same thing for Germany.
It was short before the 2017 elections, if I remember correctly. VVD of PM Rutte stood to lose quite a lot of seats in parliament to the PVV and FVD. So, this did not sit well with the Turks, en in went some female minister of his, causing a political problem, which of course would make Rutte a hero of the day. Next we know, his party won the elections.
This is the advantage of having dual citizens to a country that prohibits renunciation of their citizenship.
And worse, it maintains a permanent multi-generational 5th column.It is a huge mistake to take people and give them citizenship while they have to maintain their old one while keeping their kids in that same bondage.
You want to solve 99% of our problems... ban lawyers from serving in congress or as POTUS/VP. Pass the BAR you are instantly disqualified. Problem solved.
^^^THIS^^^
Don't forget hard labor.
And I call dual citizenship 'dueling citizenship'.
James 1:8 -- A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
Could you explain double minded?
In the scriptural sense, it means to have two allegiances, one to God, one to the world, which is an internal battle that ultimately destroys a person as their is no focus in life. One cannot live correctly if you are a part time believer, and a part time. Can you continuously be a liar, a thief, a murder, adulterer and claim to live a life that strives for righteousness following Godly principles? The short answer is no as those are diametrically opposed, every decision will be compromised, granted if you earnestly stopped living the life of a thief, murderer and so forth, that is completely different. You can't follow two opposite like that without a lot of internal contention, and that will be shown in every aspect of your actions.
How would you enforce no offshore accounts without a total violation of personal privacy?
And what is the reasoning for that? No avoidance of taxes? Well taxation is theft so why would we not abolish that as well?
Not sure how but their funding needs to be 100% transparent to heck with privacy when you hold public office. Includes close family members as well. That is the ONLY way to ever have them answer to We the People. Same way I have zero concern for DiFi's privacy as she canoodles with her Chinese spy chauffer for years.
Ah I misunderstood that this was only pertaining to office holders. I agree that anyone holding public office should have to give up their financial privacy.
Here's an idea: governments have to do everything in bitcoin, that way there is 100% transparency.
You no longer get your rights if you sign up for the military - you get an alternate set of rights.
So, why do we care if the privacy of elected officials is curtailed for the public good? Or even beurecrats? This is a nation for the people, not whomever can cram the most gibs for their dynasties into the maw of the spending season.
It should be that everyone working for any level of government must stipulate all incomes, ownerships, beneficiary, or any other word meaning they gained stuff and then be required to relinquish or repatriate everything off soil as a condition of employment or being elected.
Every government employee has to do this. Disclosure of all financial ties to foreign businesses, foreign banks, ownership of foreign companies or ANY monetary gain from any source outside of the US. Anyone with a security clearance is required to disclose any contacts with ANY foreign nationals period. Our exalted office holders are not required to do any of this. Most of them could not pass a background check to even obtain a security clearance. If we want to make it a requirement that every single elected office holder must be investigated up to a TS-SCI level, this would be the way. The investigations are very thorough and polygraphs should be required every 6 months for every elected official and appointee. This is how we stop corrupt POS' from getting into office and weeding out the ones that do get there. Every single one should be required to undergo a psychological evaluation to also weed out the psychopaths and sociopaths. There are many more out there than you think. They are predominantly at the highest levels of government.
Every government employee I don't agree with. There's a certain level that it definitely has to happen - but the current ties to report are foreign. I say all finances. Everything - and not just you, anything you are in charge of or can make use of.
As for psychological profiling, it's all a crock. We all share traits that are dubious and we all have moments we give into them. The actions taken are the only judgement we should go for.
The psychological screening is to locate sociopathic and psychopathic personalities. Some of psychology is a crock, but there is quite a bit of profiling and patterned behavior and response that is dead on accurate. The ability to identify aberrant personality disorders is very accurate because it is based on anecdotal evidence that numbers in the hundreds of thousands or millions. It isn't just some hare brained quack dreaming up the patterns of behavior
I disagree. Its all a crock built upon a loose federation of gravel. Its all back casted (he had a bad childhood, therefore he committed this crime) and almost always proven hilariously inept when they are trotted out in news situations to tell us who to look for that's doing some x thing.
The only place they are accurate is Hollywood.
The old "bad childhood" excuse is about the most ridiculous thing that ever got trotted out into public. I work with a guy that was born in prison. He spent his first 18 years of life in foster care. Some of the families starved him, abused him and degraded him. His last family of four years was good to him and built a safe environment for him to grow. He joined the Marine Corps at 17. He served for 18 years until a helicopter crash in Iraq broke his back and he suffered a traumatic brain injury. He spent a year in a hospital bed and had to wear a diaper for another year. He was medically discharged from the Marines with 30% disability and not allowed to reach 20 years to retire. He receives $1200 a month in disability and still has full VA benefits because they are still trying to fix his TBI that has left him with deficiencies. He holds no grudges against the Marine Corps, even though I think he was screwed. He refuses to hire a lawyer to have them reconsider his disability because he says that some of his brothers are missing limbs, are paralyzed or are far more damaged. He goes to the gym everyday. He volunteers at the local orphanage and donates money, clothes, school supplies and time. He has a wife and a child and works full time plus is a licensed exterminator and does it on weekends to generate extra money. He is a stand up guy that I trust with my life. All this with a childhood much worse than mine. So to folks with the excuse of a bad childhood, it holds no water with me.
As far as which government employees, there are laws which deal with conflict of interest that prohibit employment for a certain number of years within the same sphere. Unfortunately, like most of the laws, it never seems to apply to the highest levels of government. They find ways to skirt around the law by finding loopholes in the letter of the law and violating the crap out of the spirit of the law. I think that once you get into handling finances and directing awards of contracts, they should be required to non-compete for a number of years after leaving government service.
I think that it should be if you supervise more than 20 people or handle more than 250,000 in selling or purchasing per year.
The janitors don't have their lives ruined for looks, and it gets people "in power" so to speak.
Sounds pretty reasonable to me. Pretty sure this can all be hashed out and agreed upon after some intelligent debate to create a system that is difficult to corrupt.
I misunderstood that this would only pertain to office holders. I agree with all of your points.
You have to be naturalized, and nationalized
And no automatic citizenship because your mother happened to be here when you were born. That should never have been allowed.
Yes I don’t believe this issue has been decided by supremes yet. Natural born been assumed to mean native born but many scholars believe it means parents are American. So this would mean no anchor babies.
It's kind of difficult to get around because birthright citizenship is explicitly laid out in the 14th amendment.
The 14th amendment was meant for slavery at the time, not for birth tourists, or someone entering the country unlawfully while pregnant, or anything else resembling that. Children born to military parents while stationed overseas are not citizens of that country the parent was stationed in, they are American citizens.
The Issue is the clause “and subject to the jurisdiction thereof”,
I.e. foreigners are subject to foreign jurisdiction. Implying not native-born citizenship but from parents. At time they did not consider Native American tribes as citizens because of this.
When is one subject to the United States? That is a term that warrants limitation, as the western hemisphere is subject to the USA .....
The 14th amendment made every one a citizen-slave to the USA INC ...
Aren't foreigners in the US subject to US jurisdiction?
Almost always, yes, they are subject to US jurisdiction. The exception is visiting diplomats and heads of state.
Send them all back
What kind of nutcase mother flees to another country to have a baby where she doesn’t know anyone just because her tv says it’s better to be in America? You kidding me? That should be an automatic rejection
What?! You don't believe those people with the brand new clothes who just had their hair and nails done and could match Stacey Abrams pound for pound are starving, desperate refugees?? You cynic you. heh
How about immigrants who then married their OWN BROTHER so that HE could get U.S. citizenship? Should THEY be allowed in Congress?
Shouldn't be allowed In The country.....
Dunno why you got any down votes at all for that.
islam is a scourge upon the Earth and must be expunged.
Absolutely.
They should be tried and punished for treason. And it's coming.
I believe that anyone who was not born into US citizenship should not be allowed to hold any office in the United States at all, not even city dog catcher. I'd go as far as saying they shouldn't be allowed to vote either, we should have a different tier of citizenship for foreign born people who become US citizens. As far as I'm concerned they should be forever grateful for being allowed to come here and if they don't like it they can leave. This would require constitutional amendment though i believe so it's unlikely to happen.
America created the modern representative republican form of government, hardly any foreigners truly understand what it means to be an American. They can come here, have children and raise their children as Americans then their children can be the ones who can vote and hold office if they want.
No. This is garbage thinking that got us bullshit like minimum sentencing and generalized rulings.
There are people who were born elsewhere that bleed red white and blue and should be given a chance to prove it. Our system as it reads is fine. The problem is the enforcement or rather lack thereof. We are a melting pot society. If you want isolationism, there are plenty of separatist colonies you can flock to.
Prejudice just all around needs to die. I don't agree with your idea and reject it completely. We aren't any one person's idea of a country. We're 320 million individual ideas. Limited influence is the answer. Not granting the government more power to regulate citizenship.
I have to side with Camaro on this one. My mother was foreign born and came to this country in the early 1970's. She has worked her entire life with multiple jobs to raise two children on her own. She is more American than these native born BLM/Antifa and college attendees. She wouldn't hesitate to protect this country and die for it. She raised two extremely proud American patriots that served in the Army and the Navy. My sister became a police officer for over the last 20 years and died a police detective. I have served the Navy for 29 years and would die with a smile on my face for this country. My mother would be the best politician in the world because she doesn't lie, ever. She is coldly brutal with the truth and doesn't take shit from anyone. You can't bribe her or blackmail her. The only thing that would be leverage against her is me. First generation Americans generally love and respect this country because they know the shithole they left had no opportunities or freedoms. When they get that here, its like a drug that they will never give up willingly and fight to defend it.
Thank you for this perspective. It’s easy to judge when you don’t someone’s personal story. She sounds very inspiring!
Life isn't as simple as the evil shitheads want you to believe. SHould it be? Maybe. But it simply isn't...
The rest of my mom's brothers and sisters all came here later on. Every single one is hard working blue collar. They are all extremely conservative and love this country. They are all capitalists and have zero love for socialism and communism. Living across the border from China and North Korea tends to make people appreciate capitalism and a representative democracy. Kinda like the Cubans that made it here. They all seem to be extremely staunch conservatives.
Ok well I’m glad she’s in the minority but for the most part of your a fucking guest here the no way you are able to get elected or appointed to anything. We’re being invaded and overthrown and it’s a small price to pay for recent immigrants to fuck off and let true Americans run the shit. Sorry but not sorry.
Your true Americans were burning cities down and murdering other Americans while touting socialism. Legal immigrants were not. Your True Americans are raiding conservative homes/terrorizing peaceful demonstrators and setting up false flags and murdering innocent bystanders. Funny how none of these things are done by legal immigrants. I guess they were too busy working.
Maybe not but they still should not be able to hold elected office. And how do you know it wasn’t immigrants? Think about this one branden gives them amnesty all the illegals magically become legal - what’s that do to your argument?
Amnesty doesn't magically grant citizenship. Amnesty is forgiving the crime of coming into this country illegally. They don't get citizenship, but they can start the process to try and get resident status, then naturalization.
This is what my biggest problem with some folks here; generalizing any group of people or individuals with only a surface categorization is illogical and ignorant. All classifications should be based on merit and individual behavior and actions. I don't look at illegal aliens as immigrants. They are criminals that entered the country illegally, thereby committing a crime. There must be penance attached to any criminal act. They are not anywhere in the same class as immigrants. We have allowed them to manipulate the language to morph illegal alien into illegal immigrant. Thus marginalizes and blurs the line to make illegal immigrants and immigrants as close cousins. They are not and we should only ever use the term illegal alien or criminal invader. This all being said, I believe we should have a process for processing illegal aliens. Instead of the expense of hunting them down and deporting them. We should declare a period of registration where they can come forward register themselves, be given a registration number, an ID card and a 7 year probation. They would be completely ineligible for social benefits and would be required to be employed or be actively seeking employment. During the 7 year probation period any criminal act that is more serious than a non-violent misdemeanor is grounds for removal of registered status and immediate deportation. If they ever return, they are placed into a work camp and treated as prisoners for a period of time before they are deported again. The work camps would perform labor to benefit taxpayers as penance for breaking the law at the border. If the re-enter the country again illegally, then they are given a life sentence of hard labor. The ones that make it to 7 years with model behavior would be granted a green card. They can then start the process of naturalization after the prerequisite years required to obtain such, excluding any time on probation.
Lol. Where in the actual fuck do you get this conclusion from? A majority of legal immigrants are based and as for the ones that aren't, they're allowed to have their own opinions.
This has been proven to be nothing but GOP establishment talking points and propaganda used to gaslight idiots like yourself. Sadly, as you have displayed, it actually works. Who are you to decide who should be allowed in? Well thankfully you are no one. I took an oath to protect the rights of ALL Americans especially the ones who want to be here and are foreign. Don't like it? I don't fuckin care. I and many MANY others like me will oppose you supremist faggot types without hesitation. Your declarations are un-American and disgusting. This nation does not belong to you and other simpletons who actually think blanket bans are a good thing. They aren't. They show how intellectually challenged you are because you approach concept problems with sub-par basic math and thereby become part of the problem and NOT the solution.
You are free to continue to air your stupidity, but this country belongs to all Americans who are born here or immigrate here. Don't like it? You're free to get the fuck out.
Oh Fuck this is Going Camaro I didn't realize it was you. lol. ok well thanks for the essay or whatever but i tldr your bullshit long ago. kindly fuck off
This line of thinking has turned us into The United States of Brazil. Draw a line in the sand already
Lol. How so?
If you are speaking as someone living in deep blue bullshit, you're worldview is greatly distorted. I live in deep red MAGA country that is incredibly diverse and everyone gets along fine. Those who don't well... we have a Second Amendment for that...
America doesn't belong to the white man... or the black man... or the yellow man... or the pink man... or the red man... or the brown man... or the (insert whatever color here) man... it belongs to the American. Don't like it? Leave.
Who built it?
No one person should serve than 2 terms in any elected office?
I'd go for max: 12 years in the Congress, 12 years in the Senate, 8 years as President.
And you can't work in the bureaucracy if you've held office. You can't run for office if you've worked in the bureaucracy. (just tossing out ideas here).
Doesn't stop lobbying but its a start
Yes, specifying a max prevents grifters from representing different states to get around term limits. 4yrs Rep, 12yrs Sen, 8yrs Pres still adds up to 24yrs, maybe a lifetime limit of 16yrs?
Close the revolving door - shall not hold any government position (elected or otherwise) while running for office unless you hold the office you are running for?
stop the payola - no government worker or official shall shall accept jobs, contracts, or employment from any entity contacted by or lobbied by during the time in the government position?
Once I leave government service this year, I plan on being employed by a contractor. I have topped out as high as I can go and have been this way for five years. I will continue to do my same exact job as a contractor, but for more money. The reason I will get hired is because I am the only person with a specific set of skills that no one else has. If I could not get hired as a contractor, there would be no one to do the job and the amount of cost and damage to certain ships in the fleet would cost billions to replace and take up to 10 years to retrofit. That is if they could replace the equipment, which they can't because it doesn't exist yet. I do not have a bureaucratic job, I do not put out contacts, nor do I deal in money or funding. I am simply the only technical resource in the world that can do what I do. Theoretically, a replacement could be found, but if I do not train them, it will take them 3-10 years to be proficient and 20 years to reach my level, if they were very gifted. I am not bragging, I simply have the right set of skills and attributes to be the best at what I do. Blanket ideas need to be carefully weighed and measured to determine the best course of action. There are always exceptions to every general rule. We have to be careful in dictating rules without taking into account the long term and short term effects, both positive and negative. There are others like me in their specific areas of proficiency, they are hard to come by and extremely difficult to replace. It actually seems like our community is getting smaller and smaller because people are retiring or dying and the new generation is simply not performing as well, nor are they growing in skill like they should be. It is getting very scary because of the lack of potential. Even the PHD's don't seem to be the same caliber.
I get that. My grandfather worked in soil conservation in the 60s, 70s & early 80s. He was called back to work regularly because the college graduate hires didn’t have his experience. Getting a degree in a classroom is much different than learning on the job. I don’t know why it’s called soil conservation. His job was telling farmers what to with ditches & creeks on farm land. Beavers are a big problem in NC & they will damn up the water over night.
Agree. Being an elected official is supposed to be a TEMP job, not the lifelong scam that it is now. Real people with real lives wouldn't want to be there for very long anyhow.
Or any lawyers.
British nobles ruin everything.
Couldn't agree more
I could not agree more.
I'd throw in supreme court justice as well, just to be sure. and let's make a distinction that dual-citizens are not considered natural born citizens of the united states.
This should be on the list for discussion in the aftermath of the Great Awakening. I would argue this along with Term Limits, Campaign Finance Reforms (such as no money from outside the district of the office should ever be allowed), and Minimum Permanent Residence Requirements.
Dinesh D'Souza?
He's more patriotic than any of the crooks in Congress right now.
No political job for naturalized citizens
Yeah no, fuck you. I'm more based than many of my American friends who've lost the script long ago. Where you're born is not the ultimate bearing on your world view or philosophy. Get that ignorant shit outta here
I agree with that wholeheartedly.
and anyone receiving welfare benefits should not be allowed to vote.
his mom was 1st gen he is half 2nd gen. But regardless, I don't see the point of drawing the line at 1st gen, they could be even more passionate and invested in keeping the American way of life than 8th get liberal.
I also don't understand the point of birth place granting citizenship.
In Australia, you cannot be elected to Federal politics if you hold dual citizenship, which is supposed to eliminate any conflict of interest. However, this does not eliminate corrupt politicians. Look at Biden for Eg. Everyone knows he’s corrupt, even people in his party know this because they too are feeding from the same corrupt trough. So although, this may sound perfectly sensible; stupid, senile corrupt politicians aren’t excluded.
For me they must be US citizens & have taken the test, then they can run.
Let's put this to the top of the list when we get our country back
Also they should be paid by their states pay scale and never get a vote on it.
they should be paid by performance. Hourly rate based on hours worked. The ones that work only 3 months out of the year, should be paid for 3 months. If they don't produce any good legislature or find old legislature to eliminate due to obsolescence, then they need to produce a record of what they did and why they should be paid.
No illegal immigrants children either. At least 2nd generation American to ensure proper assimilation & love of country.
I might add one of our key founders also said i5lam is wholly incompatible with our Judeo-Christian Constitution. Was it Jefferson?
I think dual citizenship is the bigger issue, but yeah, I'll go with you on that
Agreed! Also any form of government & the military. You never know if they have an agenda.
I agree. Especially if you have dual citizenship.
No immigrants should be allowed in this country.
Let's end inmigration.
You are right. No one with: 1) Dual citizenship, 2) foreign born, 3) anchor baby born of illegal aliens, 4) history of convicted criminal behavior should be allowed to hold ANY GOVERNMENT office.
Agreed. And ((NO DUAL CITIZENS))
I agree.
I’ve lived abroad for a long time and it would be hella weird for me to be able to vote in a culture I didn’t grow up in. I would cast a vote with my American perspective and it wouldn’t feel right.
I typically agree with the OP’s posts, however, the shortsightedness of this perspective is disappointing. I state this as an immigrant, who loves this country and takes nothing it offers for granted, unlike some of my fellow citizens, whose families, in many cases, go back multi-generations. It’s best to judge a person by their actions rather than their lineage.