Like, if you want to go super deep and say we are in a simulation, and vibrating strings in a 2D plane - um, ok. I suppose that is technically “flat.”
But the 3-dimensional reality we all experience is on a round globe. Gravity makes sense. Space travel makes sense. Seriously, flat earthers just need to play KSP and it’ll all click.
Quantum gravity does not exist, in spite of decades of research, there is no "graviton" and the "Higgs boson" only serves to provide mass.
Newtonian gravity is describing the effect of objects falling to the ground and makes no explanation for the cause.
Relativistic Gravity fails in predictions 95% of the time and is only being held together because of the introduction of concepts like "dark matter" and "dark energy" (matter and energy that does not otherwise interact with the EM spectrum but is placed exactly where it needs to be in the correct amounts).
I use William Russel, Tesla, Theoria Apophasis as my foundations to work from.
It was quite a whirlwind to get through the Particle Theory lie. Funny how it all makes perfect sense without made up theories as soon as you are aware of the Ether.
The greatest triumphs of man were those in which his mind had to free itself from the influence of delusive appearances. Such was the revelation of Buddha that self is an illusion caused by the persistence and continuity of mental images: the discovery of Copernicus that, contrary to all observation, this planet rotates around the sun; the recognition of Descartes that the human being is an automaton, governed by external influence, and the idea that the earth is spherical, which led Columbus to the finding of this continent.
Sounds like you have a similar inquiring mind as mine. Always keeping an open mind, but I find that the electric universe, and Wal Thornhill, have more satisfying answers than quantum physics. And if you want to hear what seems to be the cutting edge of biological science, listen to Michael Levin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLiHLDrOTW8&t=36s. Mind blown to smithereens. The universe is electric. And we're part of the universe.
Accepting Relativity is saying the cause is that the mass is bending the space-time around that mass such that the smaller mass is attracted to the larger mass. The observations of this only work in 5% of the observed universe.
I prefer the electrostatic explanation; electrostatics provides the direction, where density and buoyancy cover the acceleration rate.
There's a great story from my favorite electrical engineering professor, Dr Donald Scott, where he is at the question period of a lecture on electric sun theory.
An older astronomer was getting frustrated with everything he was suggesting and he heckled him. The stupid, self-unaware fuck actually said "yes, we all know there is electricity in space, but it doesn't do anything"
This is why this all sounds like bullshit to you and half the theories don't make sense.
It's because they actually don't make sense they have decided that 3 out of 4 of the fundamental forces are not important to astronomy.
With all due respect, unless you've been in space, you don't have the answer. I think it's great to question them and make them prove that the Earth is a globe. Considering how much b******* they have lied about over the last thousand years, the last thing we should be doing is ridiculing anyone who is questioning their narrative even if we don't agree with the questions. I think the Clone and robot Biden is b******* but I love to hear you guys talking about it and trying to prove it. There are still answers that we need as to why no one is allowed in antarctica. Why it's the one thing every country seems to agree on, aside from the covid scam. I think there's a lot of valid questions coming from them.
Just my irrelevant two cents. And I am not a flat earther. Fyi.
I worked on ships. I've been around the world while carefully watching stars for navigation. I've been in the southern hemisphere and seen a whole new night sky.
Why do you think all the stars and planets are in the same position for millions of years and never moved? That's impossible in a spinning ball lost in space. Even Planes use flat earth map. Damn, even United Nation uses Flat Earth map. And NASA is in a shape of lying snake tongue.
You say you work in ships.. Water does not bend, so how does the ocean water work on a globe?
The entire galaxy rotates in unison around Sagittarius A*. But I find it hilarious -- utterly hilarious -- that throughout this thread you have tried to defend such a bullshit stance with shit like "you haven't been to space, so you can't prove it!" and then reference the position of stars being the same for millions of years, as if we have even been here for that long much less have any recorded star charts physically observed for MILLIONS OF YEARS.
And we still use sextants and charts. The charts are flat projections of the surface of a sphere and have been for a long time. Calculations are done in 3d.
I'm not a historian, but it's been that way for hundreds of years.
Wait, were you asking if we use an actual spherical globe? Ha! It'd have to be the size of texas!
There are practical reasons why it's done the opposite, flat charts are projected onto a globe. The practical rationale is that you can only see about 20km around at any given point, and in that scale, it's all going to be a flat topographical area.
I suspected it wasn't a globe, but rather charts. I was only partially serious, and that's not a direction I could form any strong arguments one way or another, simply because of a lack of experience.
If you're not moving more that 20km, the earth is big enough that you can consider it flat. Ships move thousands of miles, you can't treat it as flat anymore.
I was trying to convey how much trouble we go through because charts are flat and the earth isn't. It's a PITA sometimes.
Yeah. that's true. I noticed the same thing, I walked to the end of my block and there were totally different street lights. It proved my street was round.
The Ancient Greeks, the Romans, and scholars within the middle ages figured out that the Earth is round, and they never been to space. Even in Christopher Columbus days, it is known that the Earth is round.
No see if you study the flat earth model, the sun shines brighter on one side allowing it to hit the southern hemisphere on a flat disk while also keeping the north pole and the land almost underneath the sun in complete darkness.
You don't even have to climb the highest mountains to see the curve of the horizon. Nor can a telescope see across the great lakes. You don't have to go all the way to space. Conspiracies.win is the place for the glowposting anyway.
Actually....... you can't see the curve from an airplane. Pilots all agree, it's flat from where they are. Your mountain claim is false.
You can watch youtube videos of experiments shining lasers over 22 miles of water, beach to beach. No curve.
Red Bull Drop with Baumgartner.... look at the videos from inside his cockpit looking outside when he opens the door before the jump. No curve despite fisheye lens outside showing it.
Also many are unable to understand the degrees of a circle in relation to the sun's 24 clock. Every 3 hours the sun should move 45 degrees in the sky to complete one revolution per day. I challenge you to test this for yourself. The sun is travelling too slowly to make one revolution of your world in 24 hours.
This is still God's world. We just need to look to him for our answers instead of the false idols. If the cabal had a thousand year plan, does it not make sense all your history supports how they want you to think? Why do you believe what you believe? Welcome to the Matrix. It's deep my friend.
So then wouldn't they be more interested in making us believe it is a flat disc that flys upward at the same rate of speed with a tiny ball of magic light and heat that floats above us only a few miles up?
That would get way more people under the control of their cult then making up with a round ball theory that actually backs up what we see in real life with a sun and moon and planets that aren't magical divine beings.
See that's the problem you attack the flat earth movement using terms akin to "qanon" and "believes jfk is alive" when you say "shoots upwards". It's obvious you've never even entertained the idea, and only have listened to the mainstream fodder.
I have entertained it plenty, just because you have shit and pseudoscience for evidence doesn't mean anyone who notices you have bad evidence "isn't looking hard enough".
You doubt that God has the power to make a huge universe that has our chosen/created world in a balanced gravitational system around an absolutely massive sun? God is too dumb to do that and can only make a fishbowl with a tiny sun hanging over like a chandelier?
I think what he meant to point out was that if it is a globe, the deep state or whoever cares can convince people our creation was random and there is no God out there. If the earth is flat with a dome over it, it is 100% created, we are probably sitting on God's coffee table, and there is irrefutable proof God exists, and they can't rule the world with devilsh intent as easily.
Thinking like that is why I tried so hard to believe in the flat earth. But no one could explain the 24-hour day at the South Pole. The earth certainly appears to be a globe. I'll have to leave God's mysterious ways to God.
I love how anytime flat earthers who claim Q is one of them are confronted with actual Q posts they respond the same way.
It's literally always "disinformation is necessary" without elaborating at all on why that post only applies to flat earth and moon landings or why Q would go out of their way to "lie" about that.
Right. To even know of this board/forum is stupid. Q answered a yes or no question... The trivial rebuttal is a mockery of the entire place in my honest opinion.
I have yet to see a flat earth theory that is as simple or compelling as a basic introduction to orbital mechanics.
I do think that there are mysteries to this Earth and places kept hidden from us, the scale of which we can only speculate. But the theory that we exist on a flat plane is too large of a conspiracy, with too much evidence to the contrary, for me to accept.
I don't live on the equator. So the framing of your experiment would only appear to be valid to idiots.
But let's say I did. I now live in Pontianak, West Kalimantan, Indonesia. A location known for being positioned almost exactly on the equator. The date is June 21st, the summer solstice.
The sun rises at 5:41am and sets at 5:48pm, almost exactly 12 hours. From my perspective the sun would "travel" approximately 45 degrees every 3 hours, from sunup to sundown.
The sun's position that day at noon would be almost identical to it's position 24 hours later. From a positional standpoint, this is true of any time of any location, so I'm not sure how the sun doesn't "have time" to reach a similar position from any given perspective every 24hrs, or 360 degrees.
Now, I am on the equator the length of day (max daylight) on Dec 21st, the winter solstice, would still be 12 hours. Sunrise being 5:37am and sunset, 5:44pm. The observable path of the sun, and the time it takes to "travel" across the sky is still 12hrs, 3hrs for every quarter of 180 degrees.
The farther north or south you are from the equator the more your perspective from the almost perfect 12hr cycle will deviate. Equator deriving it's name from "equal". These deviations are also responsible for seasons and their intensity depending on their distance from the equator, elevation and other geographical factors.
Being so far north, this is why the sun will rise in Juneau, Alaska at 3:51am and set at 10:08pm on June 21st, making for an almost 18hr period of daylight and conversely, a 6hr period of daylight on Dec 21st.
Thank you for explaining this. It won't make a stick of difference to those who are pushing the flat earth idea but it might be helpful or interesting to others.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised that these things aren't being taught in schools anymore. I recognize that a lot of people have neither the time nor the inclination to actually go out and watch the sky, to see how it changes over the year.
The inability of flat earthers to explain the 24-hour day at the South Pole is what killed it for me. "The video is fake. They won't let us go there" arguments are pointless. Just check out sunrise and sunset times at any point far south, say in Tierra del Fuego or Tasmania.
I can't believe people on this forum are actually questioning if the earth is flat. Like holy fuck lmao. I get that what we've been told has been lies, but this is one of those that doesn't need questioning. Like come on people. What would lying about this achieve? Q has stated that we aren't alone in this universe already, but then I'm seeing comments saying Q had to spread some mistruths. Though, I'm pretty sure the mistruths are for post about what will happen like a certain arrest incoming or a plan that they mention, but not about flat earth and aliens. How would that foil the DS? That's literally just information that's not disclosed to the public.
Most of them are newbies, from other conspiracy forums that go banned, who only read Q posts that seem interesting to them. Any inconvenient post is "disinfo is necessary".
Yeah. The people using "disinfo is necessary" seem to not understand what it entails to. I'm just astonished the amount of people who believe the earth is flat 😮💨 Post like these will put off new people who come on here and see this lmao
I've noticed that there are quite a few who've only joined in the past 3 months or so. It makes me think that it's less "newbies" and more "a concerted effort to divide/distract the forum". The way they try to throw the Bible in there is suspect, as well. Like they think because there are a lot of Christians on this board that they will immediately buy into the flat earth concept because "Bible tells them so".
Some of this stuff is downright painful to read. It wouldn't surprise me if they start babbling on about the Giant Dung Beetle that pushes the Sun from horizon to horizon every day.
Oh true, but both flat earthers I knew irl were also extremely pushy with Christianity stuff to the point of calling someone a blasphemer for not "saying a Bible verse that disproves flat earth theory" when they half assed their own Bible verses' connection to flat earth.
It's likely that they are genuine then too, given that's just how they actually think God wants them to spread his good word. But it's just as likely that it's shills trying to turn people away from Christianity by making it appear to be some group of accusatory judgemental flat earthers and not peaceloving forgivers.
Can only speculate. The most common presumption is Antarctica, a place that is heavily restricted to visit. Only guided tours, research missions, and military projects.
If they were right, think of the UN logo, Antarctica wraps around the map and the north pole in the center.
People aren't allowed to freely travel below the 60th parallel, and there's a similar restriction north of the 5th parallel. Without claiming certainty of what's beyond, if there are edges, those are the areas where I would want to search.
what else do you believe that they taught you? evolution? holocaust? history of any kind? science, global warming? If it were true, they wouldn't teach it to you. Q wasn't asked what shape is our reality, just if it is flat. define flat. how does Q define flat. I feel kind of stupid believing anything as factual that we've been taught.
Modern science was initially created to explain everything without making appeals to God, it was created as antithetical to religion, which is why so many early scientists were killed as heretics.
Mostly joking with the link. My point was that you must not have seen much satellite imagery.
Airplanes cannot fly high enough to capture some images taken by satellite. More to the point -- there are millions of airplane pilots around the world who can testify that Earth is indeed round.
Q also said "no outside comms"
and yet we sit here day after day micro analysing every tweet from people who are indeed.. NOT Q.
IM not exactly a flat earther im just saying that there a lot of things Q said that this board ignores everyday.. but i don't really ever see THAT mentioned.
Not one of us can definitively say that "WE know" what shape it is.. WE know what we have been told by freemasons and proven liars, so unless you have access to a rocket that can get one of us to space then its a waste of time trying to have this one out with a bunch of people who distrust official sources about every topic if all you have to back up you perspective is provided 2nd hand from "official" science.
You may as well be posting links to CNN or FAUX news.
So, considering you wont convince the Flat earthers and you probably know that... You're just going to mock and belittle them?
Is that the plan?
Interesting
Imo threads like these are intentionally trying to create division...You knew damn well this would antagonise the flat earth people... so WHY do it??
We're all on the same side.
The shape the earth is totally irrelevant as it pertains to Q so WTF is the point.
Agreed that the shape of the earth is ultimately irrelevant, we do have bigger issues to worry about.
I do love this topic for the philosophical implications, and there are scientifically valid arguments to be made for many positions (globe, flat earth, being on the interior of the globe, torroidal earth, etc). There are also many core principles in physics that are firmly and objectively established that, regardless of the shape, require that the planet be an enclosed system (biblically referred to as firmament").
For a long time I was among those that would mock "flat earthers" as being antagonistic to science, it wasn't before being confronted with evidence that showed in clear ways how the same effects that people use to "prove" a globe earth work equally well if it were a flat plane.
It's a question that ultimately cannot be concretely answered from an earthly perspective, and so, have to agree that the topic does promote divisiveness.
Now, I saw something earlier but refrained from dragging this nonsense up here,
...so, I posted it on Truth instead kek (only because I have a flatearther on my follow list and this subject gets on my tits). Enjoy a bit of Carl Sagan... https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ScEZjDLgKco
Eratosthenes did the trigonometry before any concept of light refraction was known, and the numbers he found are still treated as correct.
The same effect can be created with a closer light source on a flat surface, if instead of assuming the light is coming like an = it were approaching as >. Just saying.
This is a Q board. Q said the earth isn't flat. We are trying to wake up the masses to the evil that controls this world. The shape of the earth is irrelevant when there's children being trafficked and harvested for organs and sent to pedofiles to be raped tortured and murdered. Can we please focus on the things that matter?? Can we come up with an organized plan to help children who have been trafficked? Don't waste your energy on things that don't matter. The only thing that matters is the safety of the innocent children of the world who have been left to be used as sex toys for satanic pedofiles! Seriously guys. If you watched that video posted yesterday I don't understand how you could want to do anything else other than find a way to stop children being murdered for organs and used by pedofiles. Im pretty sure thats what God wants from us, not wondering about if the earth is flat! FFS!
I didn't think twice about the orientation of our planet until our government started making a big deal about some fringe group of people who said it was flat. Whenever they try to silence someone, I start paying attention. Now I wouldn't be surprised if it was flatter than a pancake. They lie about everything else.
It really is the "flat earth" position that's been silenced, it started around 2015 based on google statistics.
Now, if one searches google/youtube for flat earth topics, there's a select group of anti-flat earth people that get highlighted and groups like flat earth society (a likely shill group).
There's one way to prove it. Go to Antarctica, put a marker on the ice when you get there and then follow the coastline until you get back to the marker. Then tell me how far you travelled.
I don’t staunchly believe that the earth is flat nor spherical or anything else. I firmly believe there’s so much we don’t know and that’s hidden from us, so I’m open to whatever it may actually be.
On one hand, the people pointing out what the Bible says vs what NASA insists upon are making a good point. On the other hand, I don’t really trust the Bible as we know it either. With as evil as we know people are, why would we not question whether the Bible has been grossly disfigured from what it’s meant to be?
The real conspiracy is the the flat earth movement has been pushed in order to discredit actual conspiracies by calling anyone who speaks of them as "flat earthers".
People are still debating this while there are paradigm-shifting discoveries being made in the field of biology. Curious minds really need to listen to Michael Levin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLiHLDrOTW8&t=36s. I mean, you seriously need to at least hear this guy out. Mind blown to smithereens. The universe is electric. And we're part of the universe.
The problem though is that people through fallacies then assume it must be a globe. I'm rather confident that the earth is not flat but it also is not a ball.
A common theme I've seen with many arguing "flat earth" is that they don't try to make positive claims about things that can't be objectively demonstrated.
indeed. One of the nice things I learned from studying flat earth was also realizing that people who believe in a globe often do the same thing that you just mentioned. Unfortunately both sides then just jump to the logical extreme that the opposing view must then be false. It's a cheap way of getting out of the need to continue studying and learning. Like the argument I've heard "I've seen the curvature when I stood on the beach", well that's physically impossible to observe from that perspective but flat earthers then take that and say well then it must not be a globe lol.
While I'm not firm that "the earth is a flat topographical plane" as much as pointing out that such a take isn't as stupid as I had once thought.
There's a legitimate discussion going on that can get pretty deeply technical.
The reality is, at least in our day to day lives are concerned, the earth is an unmoving and generally flat terrain (or mountainous depending where one lives.)
Exactly, we could go very deep on this I believe, which is why there is so much division at superficial levels. When you take into account how time and space are relative than the "shape" of the earth really becomes relative to your location. Time cannot change as you go higher in elevation without our observation of matter in time also changing from that relative perspective. The ground plane could be "flat" while from the perspective of high earth orbit it could be a "globe". Personally I think ground plane = flat. High altitude = convex. Below sea level = concave (hollow earth ties in, as well as bottomless pit for Bible folk). I think a combo of all the "conspiracies" on the shape of the earth are closer to "reality".
Yeah guys everyone knows the government wouldn't lie about the shape of the earth. They'll lie about the jab that's killing thousands of kids everyday. But they wouldn't lie about the shape of the earth. That's just messed up. I'll never understand how dumb people like OP are.
Isaiah 40:22 comes to mind. Verses 9-31 are describing the Greatness of God.
It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to dwell in;
lol
Exactly
Hilarious. That is so true. My cat does that all the time.
I don't care if it's flat round or square, it needs a cleansing from God.
Amen
Can't argue with that fren.
That should be the main focus, the CLEANSING part. We have ourselves to work on as well.
Whatever shape or form earth is, since it's created by God, it's perfect and beautiful.
Is that you, Mr Bickle?
No it's Mrs.😉
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Like, if you want to go super deep and say we are in a simulation, and vibrating strings in a 2D plane - um, ok. I suppose that is technically “flat.”
But the 3-dimensional reality we all experience is on a round globe. Gravity makes sense. Space travel makes sense. Seriously, flat earthers just need to play KSP and it’ll all click.
Which theory of gravity?
Quantum gravity does not exist, in spite of decades of research, there is no "graviton" and the "Higgs boson" only serves to provide mass.
Newtonian gravity is describing the effect of objects falling to the ground and makes no explanation for the cause.
Relativistic Gravity fails in predictions 95% of the time and is only being held together because of the introduction of concepts like "dark matter" and "dark energy" (matter and energy that does not otherwise interact with the EM spectrum but is placed exactly where it needs to be in the correct amounts).
You are a bright light in a sea of lies.
I use William Russel, Tesla, Theoria Apophasis as my foundations to work from.
It was quite a whirlwind to get through the Particle Theory lie. Funny how it all makes perfect sense without made up theories as soon as you are aware of the Ether.
The greatest triumphs of man were those in which his mind had to free itself from the influence of delusive appearances. Such was the revelation of Buddha that self is an illusion caused by the persistence and continuity of mental images: the discovery of Copernicus that, contrary to all observation, this planet rotates around the sun; the recognition of Descartes that the human being is an automaton, governed by external influence, and the idea that the earth is spherical, which led Columbus to the finding of this continent.
-"super serious flat earther" Nikola Tesla
Sounds like you have a similar inquiring mind as mine. Always keeping an open mind, but I find that the electric universe, and Wal Thornhill, have more satisfying answers than quantum physics. And if you want to hear what seems to be the cutting edge of biological science, listen to Michael Levin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLiHLDrOTW8&t=36s. Mind blown to smithereens. The universe is electric. And we're part of the universe.
Heavy shit goes down Light shit goes down. Mass is a thing.
Yes, that is the effect.
Accepting Relativity is saying the cause is that the mass is bending the space-time around that mass such that the smaller mass is attracted to the larger mass. The observations of this only work in 5% of the observed universe.
I prefer the electrostatic explanation; electrostatics provides the direction, where density and buoyancy cover the acceleration rate.
It's because they are arrogant
There's a great story from my favorite electrical engineering professor, Dr Donald Scott, where he is at the question period of a lecture on electric sun theory.
An older astronomer was getting frustrated with everything he was suggesting and he heckled him. The stupid, self-unaware fuck actually said "yes, we all know there is electricity in space, but it doesn't do anything"
This is why this all sounds like bullshit to you and half the theories don't make sense.
It's because they actually don't make sense they have decided that 3 out of 4 of the fundamental forces are not important to astronomy.
Makes sense now right, lol
Thanks, and since electromagnetic force is something like 10^30 stronger than gravity even claims, it seems to be a better route for a solution.
Mass without gravity. Interesting
I thought this was settled. It's round, but not a globe
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I second the KSP recommendation.
If you play Mario Bros enough times, you might be convinced that you can jump higher than your own height.
WHY IS THIS DOWNVOTED
With all due respect, unless you've been in space, you don't have the answer. I think it's great to question them and make them prove that the Earth is a globe. Considering how much b******* they have lied about over the last thousand years, the last thing we should be doing is ridiculing anyone who is questioning their narrative even if we don't agree with the questions. I think the Clone and robot Biden is b******* but I love to hear you guys talking about it and trying to prove it. There are still answers that we need as to why no one is allowed in antarctica. Why it's the one thing every country seems to agree on, aside from the covid scam. I think there's a lot of valid questions coming from them.
Just my irrelevant two cents. And I am not a flat earther. Fyi.
I worked on ships. I've been around the world while carefully watching stars for navigation. I've been in the southern hemisphere and seen a whole new night sky.
I'm certain it's round. I checked.
Why do you think all the stars and planets are in the same position for millions of years and never moved? That's impossible in a spinning ball lost in space. Even Planes use flat earth map. Damn, even United Nation uses Flat Earth map. And NASA is in a shape of lying snake tongue.
You say you work in ships.. Water does not bend, so how does the ocean water work on a globe?
Water doesn't bend? Flat earth map?
Is this a joke? They should have covered map projections in high school. You may have been out back huffing gasoline that day.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Map_projection
Ok, why are the stars different in the south?
Water does not bend.
What does that mean? It's a liquid. I guess "bend" doesn't apply to liquids. So what?
Water does not and cannot curve around the earth…
Correct. Water always finds it level.
Why not? If you put it in a bucket and spin it water will curve just fine.
I believe he means that water always finds its level.
That's why a water level, on a flat surface, will always show the bubble in the center.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zip9ft1PgV0
sounds like you were the one sniffing the bs they were brainwashing you with in school. water is level. it's called sea level not sea bend.
It's level with regard to the center of a sphere.
You're just here to inject idiotic ideas to discredit any truth that's discovered. "Oh look at those Q-tards and their flat earth!"
Give it up. Try again with a new account, FED.
The entire galaxy rotates in unison around Sagittarius A*. But I find it hilarious -- utterly hilarious -- that throughout this thread you have tried to defend such a bullshit stance with shit like "you haven't been to space, so you can't prove it!" and then reference the position of stars being the same for millions of years, as if we have even been here for that long much less have any recorded star charts physically observed for MILLIONS OF YEARS.
Holy fucking fuck, what?
LOL. Sagittarius A .... cool story bro.
What are you even fucking talking sbout
And do you use a globe for navigation?
Yes. It's the only way it works.
It worked just as well for centuries using a compass and a sextant, using flat charts, so, no, it's not "the only way."
And we still use sextants and charts. The charts are flat projections of the surface of a sphere and have been for a long time. Calculations are done in 3d.
I'm not a historian, but it's been that way for hundreds of years.
Wait, were you asking if we use an actual spherical globe? Ha! It'd have to be the size of texas!
There are practical reasons why it's done the opposite, flat charts are projected onto a globe. The practical rationale is that you can only see about 20km around at any given point, and in that scale, it's all going to be a flat topographical area.
I suspected it wasn't a globe, but rather charts. I was only partially serious, and that's not a direction I could form any strong arguments one way or another, simply because of a lack of experience.
If you're not moving more that 20km, the earth is big enough that you can consider it flat. Ships move thousands of miles, you can't treat it as flat anymore.
I was trying to convey how much trouble we go through because charts are flat and the earth isn't. It's a PITA sometimes.
It didn't work until the maritime chronometer was invented.
Yeah. that's true. I noticed the same thing, I walked to the end of my block and there were totally different street lights. It proved my street was round.
You don't have to go into space to witness the curvature of the Earth or see how stars change with the seasons.
Indeed.
The Ancient Greeks, the Romans, and scholars within the middle ages figured out that the Earth is round, and they never been to space. Even in Christopher Columbus days, it is known that the Earth is round.
They measured the Earth's circumference to within 2000 miles 2000 years ago with a fucking STICK.
Exactly, you just use a fisheye lens and you can see a plumb line as a curve.
I've heard they have answers for all that stuff too. It's definitely intriguing. I just don't have the time to read up on all of it.
Just replicate the experiment of the ancient Greek, Eratosthenes. If we were on a flat disk then the sun would strike all locations at the same time.
No see if you study the flat earth model, the sun shines brighter on one side allowing it to hit the southern hemisphere on a flat disk while also keeping the north pole and the land almost underneath the sun in complete darkness.
Yes and no.
If the suns rays are hitting straight = you would be correct. However, the math also works with a closer sun and the rays are hitting >.
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That's what I want answered most. So curious what's really there.
What are you fucking talking about?? There are JOB POSTINGS in Antarctica
That may be true, however no civilian can just go to Antarctica and "explore" by themselves....
You don't even have to climb the highest mountains to see the curve of the horizon. Nor can a telescope see across the great lakes. You don't have to go all the way to space. Conspiracies.win is the place for the glowposting anyway.
Actually....... you can't see the curve from an airplane. Pilots all agree, it's flat from where they are. Your mountain claim is false.
You can watch youtube videos of experiments shining lasers over 22 miles of water, beach to beach. No curve.
Red Bull Drop with Baumgartner.... look at the videos from inside his cockpit looking outside when he opens the door before the jump. No curve despite fisheye lens outside showing it.
Also many are unable to understand the degrees of a circle in relation to the sun's 24 clock. Every 3 hours the sun should move 45 degrees in the sky to complete one revolution per day. I challenge you to test this for yourself. The sun is travelling too slowly to make one revolution of your world in 24 hours.
This is still God's world. We just need to look to him for our answers instead of the false idols. If the cabal had a thousand year plan, does it not make sense all your history supports how they want you to think? Why do you believe what you believe? Welcome to the Matrix. It's deep my friend.
All pilots agree. How many do you know?
"All scientists agree that climate change is real" level of weak evidence
If you've been on a flight and looked out the window at altitude, there's no curvature.
That's not really a surprise given the size of the earth and the limited portion that can be seen, even at altitude.
make a thread about flat earth theory being unequivocally false
Shockingly turns into flat earth debate thread
Thus executing the exact opposite of it's intention
People then bitch and moan that this board is inundated with flat earth nonsense
Rinse and repeat
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Nah, think of all the lurkers who read this post and are reassured about this place being sane.
Ignoring lies is the wrong approach. They must be called out.
Best take after "the cats would knock everything off".
Oh, trust me, the "cats" is knocking the absolute shit out of this thread.
Maybe it's a honey pot to ban some and keep an eye on others...
What would be the motive for tricking everyone into thinking it's a globe?
If a shepherd convinces the flock there's nothing beyond their fence they probably chill out a bit.
So then wouldn't they be more interested in making us believe it is a flat disc that flys upward at the same rate of speed with a tiny ball of magic light and heat that floats above us only a few miles up?
That would get way more people under the control of their cult then making up with a round ball theory that actually backs up what we see in real life with a sun and moon and planets that aren't magical divine beings.
See that's the problem you attack the flat earth movement using terms akin to "qanon" and "believes jfk is alive" when you say "shoots upwards". It's obvious you've never even entertained the idea, and only have listened to the mainstream fodder.
I have entertained it plenty, just because you have shit and pseudoscience for evidence doesn't mean anyone who notices you have bad evidence "isn't looking hard enough".
What have I not seen that I need to see?
NASA spends 50 million per day, I'd call that a motive.
That funding is a ridiculously low amount compared to what other shit we spend on
I suppose it's become that way.
If it's a dome, it's created and we are intentional. We are loved. If it's a globe, floating through space, we are alone. We are not loved.
You doubt that God has the power to make a huge universe that has our chosen/created world in a balanced gravitational system around an absolutely massive sun? God is too dumb to do that and can only make a fishbowl with a tiny sun hanging over like a chandelier?
I think what he meant to point out was that if it is a globe, the deep state or whoever cares can convince people our creation was random and there is no God out there. If the earth is flat with a dome over it, it is 100% created, we are probably sitting on God's coffee table, and there is irrefutable proof God exists, and they can't rule the world with devilsh intent as easily.
True, but we've seen what they can do when the whole world believes in God too. That's one of the reasons God gave us Jesus.
False dichotomy.
Fuckwit logic
Thinking like that is why I tried so hard to believe in the flat earth. But no one could explain the 24-hour day at the South Pole. The earth certainly appears to be a globe. I'll have to leave God's mysterious ways to God.
satan doesnt value truth but he does the lie
u/#q2622
Could it be any more clear?
Q encourages people to think and come to their own conclusions.
Using your eyes and senses the earth is a non moving flat plane.
A post on the internet isn't going to change my mind on what my sense tells me.
Do you even Q?
What is the definition of flat?
1.smooth and even; without marked lumps or indentations.
Even if we live on a "flat" plane, it isn't perfectly flat. It definitely has lumps and indentations.
Q's answer is technically correct even if we live on a somewhat flat plane.
“Disinformation is necessary”
Why would they go out of their way to bring up flat earth?
They literally implied our reality is like the matrix, so it's not "to make us not look crazy".
It's because they didn't want people to fall for that shit, same reason they brought up the moon landings when they had no reason to.
This! just look how much noise is in this comment section. clearly the Q team had work to do and understood this
I love how anytime flat earthers who claim Q is one of them are confronted with actual Q posts they respond the same way.
It's literally always "disinformation is necessary" without elaborating at all on why that post only applies to flat earth and moon landings or why Q would go out of their way to "lie" about that.
Q said no to the question of is the earth flat. He did not say it is a sphere.
"Most Christians", no.
Flat Earth is a proven psyop for the uneducated, or schizophrenics.
Right. To even know of this board/forum is stupid. Q answered a yes or no question... The trivial rebuttal is a mockery of the entire place in my honest opinion.
Covid vaccines
I have yet to see a flat earth theory that is as simple or compelling as a basic introduction to orbital mechanics.
I do think that there are mysteries to this Earth and places kept hidden from us, the scale of which we can only speculate. But the theory that we exist on a flat plane is too large of a conspiracy, with too much evidence to the contrary, for me to accept.
Sun travels 360 degrees around your location at a constant speed every 24 hours.
Therefore, the sun travels 45 degrees every 3 hours.
Starting at noon tomorrow (do again in summer) Time 3 hours and using a protractor, find out how many degrees the sun travelled.
You can report back here if you think the sun has enough time to get back around to you in the morning.
The timing is off if you want the Coles Notes. Your sun is not travelling fast enough.
I don't live on the equator. So the framing of your experiment would only appear to be valid to idiots.
But let's say I did. I now live in Pontianak, West Kalimantan, Indonesia. A location known for being positioned almost exactly on the equator. The date is June 21st, the summer solstice.
The sun rises at 5:41am and sets at 5:48pm, almost exactly 12 hours. From my perspective the sun would "travel" approximately 45 degrees every 3 hours, from sunup to sundown.
The sun's position that day at noon would be almost identical to it's position 24 hours later. From a positional standpoint, this is true of any time of any location, so I'm not sure how the sun doesn't "have time" to reach a similar position from any given perspective every 24hrs, or 360 degrees.
Now, I am on the equator the length of day (max daylight) on Dec 21st, the winter solstice, would still be 12 hours. Sunrise being 5:37am and sunset, 5:44pm. The observable path of the sun, and the time it takes to "travel" across the sky is still 12hrs, 3hrs for every quarter of 180 degrees.
The farther north or south you are from the equator the more your perspective from the almost perfect 12hr cycle will deviate. Equator deriving it's name from "equal". These deviations are also responsible for seasons and their intensity depending on their distance from the equator, elevation and other geographical factors.
Being so far north, this is why the sun will rise in Juneau, Alaska at 3:51am and set at 10:08pm on June 21st, making for an almost 18hr period of daylight and conversely, a 6hr period of daylight on Dec 21st.
Thank you for explaining this. It won't make a stick of difference to those who are pushing the flat earth idea but it might be helpful or interesting to others.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised that these things aren't being taught in schools anymore. I recognize that a lot of people have neither the time nor the inclination to actually go out and watch the sky, to see how it changes over the year.
The inability of flat earthers to explain the 24-hour day at the South Pole is what killed it for me. "The video is fake. They won't let us go there" arguments are pointless. Just check out sunrise and sunset times at any point far south, say in Tierra del Fuego or Tasmania.
Or Canada, FFS
Forgot about nukes being psyops for the banking war cabal terrorists.
I can't believe people on this forum are actually questioning if the earth is flat. Like holy fuck lmao. I get that what we've been told has been lies, but this is one of those that doesn't need questioning. Like come on people. What would lying about this achieve? Q has stated that we aren't alone in this universe already, but then I'm seeing comments saying Q had to spread some mistruths. Though, I'm pretty sure the mistruths are for post about what will happen like a certain arrest incoming or a plan that they mention, but not about flat earth and aliens. How would that foil the DS? That's literally just information that's not disclosed to the public.
Most of them are newbies, from other conspiracy forums that go banned, who only read Q posts that seem interesting to them. Any inconvenient post is "disinfo is necessary".
Yeah. The people using "disinfo is necessary" seem to not understand what it entails to. I'm just astonished the amount of people who believe the earth is flat 😮💨 Post like these will put off new people who come on here and see this lmao
I've noticed that there are quite a few who've only joined in the past 3 months or so. It makes me think that it's less "newbies" and more "a concerted effort to divide/distract the forum". The way they try to throw the Bible in there is suspect, as well. Like they think because there are a lot of Christians on this board that they will immediately buy into the flat earth concept because "Bible tells them so".
Some of this stuff is downright painful to read. It wouldn't surprise me if they start babbling on about the Giant Dung Beetle that pushes the Sun from horizon to horizon every day.
Oh true, but both flat earthers I knew irl were also extremely pushy with Christianity stuff to the point of calling someone a blasphemer for not "saying a Bible verse that disproves flat earth theory" when they half assed their own Bible verses' connection to flat earth.
It's likely that they are genuine then too, given that's just how they actually think God wants them to spread his good word. But it's just as likely that it's shills trying to turn people away from Christianity by making it appear to be some group of accusatory judgemental flat earthers and not peaceloving forgivers.
You're a wise one, Granny.
Next do the "more land beyond the ice wall" group!
Can just one flat earther answer this question...
If the earth is flat please show us where it ends?
Can only speculate. The most common presumption is Antarctica, a place that is heavily restricted to visit. Only guided tours, research missions, and military projects.
Ok, so what about the other edges?
If they were right, think of the UN logo, Antarctica wraps around the map and the north pole in the center.
People aren't allowed to freely travel below the 60th parallel, and there's a similar restriction north of the 5th parallel. Without claiming certainty of what's beyond, if there are edges, those are the areas where I would want to search.
what else do you believe that they taught you? evolution? holocaust? history of any kind? science, global warming? If it were true, they wouldn't teach it to you. Q wasn't asked what shape is our reality, just if it is flat. define flat. how does Q define flat. I feel kind of stupid believing anything as factual that we've been taught.
Don't toss out the baby with the bathwater.
Science and history are not creations of the cabal -- they only corrupted them.
Modern science was initially created to explain everything without making appeals to God, it was created as antithetical to religion, which is why so many early scientists were killed as heretics.
Firmament and flat Earth are two entirely different concepts, IMO.
Can think of plenty of reasons they would fake satellite imagery. But there are heaps of real satellite imagery which prove Earth is not flat, so...
Oh boy, you're in for a treat.
https://earth.google.com/web/
Mostly joking with the link. My point was that you must not have seen much satellite imagery.
Airplanes cannot fly high enough to capture some images taken by satellite. More to the point -- there are millions of airplane pilots around the world who can testify that Earth is indeed round.
The first things they teach you in school:
Whoa cool dinosaurs! Wow awesome!!!!!!
Space!!!! So big! So untouchable! Whoaaaaaaa space killed the dinosaurs! So sad.
Know what's also sad? Anne Frank and the Holocaust!
Im gonna point this out only once.
Q also said "no outside comms" and yet we sit here day after day micro analysing every tweet from people who are indeed.. NOT Q.
IM not exactly a flat earther im just saying that there a lot of things Q said that this board ignores everyday.. but i don't really ever see THAT mentioned.
Not one of us can definitively say that "WE know" what shape it is.. WE know what we have been told by freemasons and proven liars, so unless you have access to a rocket that can get one of us to space then its a waste of time trying to have this one out with a bunch of people who distrust official sources about every topic if all you have to back up you perspective is provided 2nd hand from "official" science. You may as well be posting links to CNN or FAUX news.
So, considering you wont convince the Flat earthers and you probably know that... You're just going to mock and belittle them? Is that the plan? Interesting
Imo threads like these are intentionally trying to create division...You knew damn well this would antagonise the flat earth people... so WHY do it?? We're all on the same side.
The shape the earth is totally irrelevant as it pertains to Q so WTF is the point.
Sus.
Agreed that the shape of the earth is ultimately irrelevant, we do have bigger issues to worry about.
I do love this topic for the philosophical implications, and there are scientifically valid arguments to be made for many positions (globe, flat earth, being on the interior of the globe, torroidal earth, etc). There are also many core principles in physics that are firmly and objectively established that, regardless of the shape, require that the planet be an enclosed system (biblically referred to as firmament").
For a long time I was among those that would mock "flat earthers" as being antagonistic to science, it wasn't before being confronted with evidence that showed in clear ways how the same effects that people use to "prove" a globe earth work equally well if it were a flat plane.
It's a question that ultimately cannot be concretely answered from an earthly perspective, and so, have to agree that the topic does promote divisiveness.
Now, I saw something earlier but refrained from dragging this nonsense up here, ...so, I posted it on Truth instead kek (only because I have a flatearther on my follow list and this subject gets on my tits). Enjoy a bit of Carl Sagan... https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ScEZjDLgKco
Eratosthenes did the trigonometry before any concept of light refraction was known, and the numbers he found are still treated as correct.
The same effect can be created with a closer light source on a flat surface, if instead of assuming the light is coming like an = it were approaching as >. Just saying.
Only a child would believe something so stupid
This is a Q board. Q said the earth isn't flat. We are trying to wake up the masses to the evil that controls this world. The shape of the earth is irrelevant when there's children being trafficked and harvested for organs and sent to pedofiles to be raped tortured and murdered. Can we please focus on the things that matter?? Can we come up with an organized plan to help children who have been trafficked? Don't waste your energy on things that don't matter. The only thing that matters is the safety of the innocent children of the world who have been left to be used as sex toys for satanic pedofiles! Seriously guys. If you watched that video posted yesterday I don't understand how you could want to do anything else other than find a way to stop children being murdered for organs and used by pedofiles. Im pretty sure thats what God wants from us, not wondering about if the earth is flat! FFS!
But muh “disinfo is necessary!”
I’ve literally hear people use that argument to say that Q didn’t really mean the earth was round. Cracks me up every time.
That's all they have.
I didn't think twice about the orientation of our planet until our government started making a big deal about some fringe group of people who said it was flat. Whenever they try to silence someone, I start paying attention. Now I wouldn't be surprised if it was flatter than a pancake. They lie about everything else.
I mean it is flatter than a pancake, but that is just some funny math gimmick in a vsauce video.
It really is the "flat earth" position that's been silenced, it started around 2015 based on google statistics.
Now, if one searches google/youtube for flat earth topics, there's a select group of anti-flat earth people that get highlighted and groups like flat earth society (a likely shill group).
Flat earth is still allowed to be discussed on Reddit and other websites, Q has been banned multiple times until we really made our own forum.
There's one way to prove it. Go to Antarctica, put a marker on the ice when you get there and then follow the coastline until you get back to the marker. Then tell me how far you travelled.
Someone once did that. They never found the marker after 2 years, and ended up going home.
They say the ice calved but he put the marker into solid ground, not ice.
Catholics were shilling for flat earth 500 years ago until Kepler took a huge shit on them.
"Not flat" ≠ "spinning ball floating in 'nothingness'."
https://youtu.be/C3xM8sHGoiQ
I don’t staunchly believe that the earth is flat nor spherical or anything else. I firmly believe there’s so much we don’t know and that’s hidden from us, so I’m open to whatever it may actually be.
On one hand, the people pointing out what the Bible says vs what NASA insists upon are making a good point. On the other hand, I don’t really trust the Bible as we know it either. With as evil as we know people are, why would we not question whether the Bible has been grossly disfigured from what it’s meant to be?
Fuck off OP. You posted this so that people would talk about FE when NO ONE WAS.
You kidding? The shills inject it here all the time.
Never forget forum sliding.
Inb4 "disinfo" crew.
way too late unfortunately, but still right on
The earth is a footstool. It’s not round nor flat, it is a footstool! 😘
Flat earth people are dumbest of the bunch.
The real conspiracy is the the flat earth movement has been pushed in order to discredit actual conspiracies by calling anyone who speaks of them as "flat earthers".
I read something that stuck with me, not sure where it’s from:
“I’d rather have questions that can not be answered, than answers that can not be questioned.”
So with that, I give every idea a go- I may believe it, I may not…
“It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it” -Aristotle
And we should have patience for those that have been fooled, not insinuate they are wrong for it.
People are still debating this while there are paradigm-shifting discoveries being made in the field of biology. Curious minds really need to listen to Michael Levin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLiHLDrOTW8&t=36s. I mean, you seriously need to at least hear this guy out. Mind blown to smithereens. The universe is electric. And we're part of the universe.
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The problem though is that people through fallacies then assume it must be a globe. I'm rather confident that the earth is not flat but it also is not a ball.
A common theme I've seen with many arguing "flat earth" is that they don't try to make positive claims about things that can't be objectively demonstrated.
indeed. One of the nice things I learned from studying flat earth was also realizing that people who believe in a globe often do the same thing that you just mentioned. Unfortunately both sides then just jump to the logical extreme that the opposing view must then be false. It's a cheap way of getting out of the need to continue studying and learning. Like the argument I've heard "I've seen the curvature when I stood on the beach", well that's physically impossible to observe from that perspective but flat earthers then take that and say well then it must not be a globe lol.
While I'm not firm that "the earth is a flat topographical plane" as much as pointing out that such a take isn't as stupid as I had once thought.
There's a legitimate discussion going on that can get pretty deeply technical.
The reality is, at least in our day to day lives are concerned, the earth is an unmoving and generally flat terrain (or mountainous depending where one lives.)
Exactly, we could go very deep on this I believe, which is why there is so much division at superficial levels. When you take into account how time and space are relative than the "shape" of the earth really becomes relative to your location. Time cannot change as you go higher in elevation without our observation of matter in time also changing from that relative perspective. The ground plane could be "flat" while from the perspective of high earth orbit it could be a "globe". Personally I think ground plane = flat. High altitude = convex. Below sea level = concave (hollow earth ties in, as well as bottomless pit for Bible folk). I think a combo of all the "conspiracies" on the shape of the earth are closer to "reality".
Yeah guys everyone knows the government wouldn't lie about the shape of the earth. They'll lie about the jab that's killing thousands of kids everyday. But they wouldn't lie about the shape of the earth. That's just messed up. I'll never understand how dumb people like OP are.
We clearly live atop a colossal ninja turtle.
Isaiah 40:22 comes to mind. Verses 9-31 are describing the Greatness of God.
It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to dwell in;
If God is a 4d being looking at a sphere, wouldn't it be like us 3d beings looking at a circle?
When I was a boy (less than 10 years old) my parents took me to the Baltic See between Poland and Sweden (which is supposed to be a flat water).
I remember it as if it was yesterday.
A see water on the horizon was showing perfect curvature of the earth.