Pardon me for mentioning what may already be looming in everyone's minds, but I haven't seen it discussed yet and thought I would throw a seed crystal into the supercooled medium of this page.
I am not a Q fanatic, so I take no arrows for being imprecise in my reference, but I seem to recall that Q placed a specific emphasis on how the "First Arrest" would have galvanizing significance.
In light of recent events, I would float the speculation that the First Arrest will be of President Trump.
It has some interesting explanatory power. First of all, if Trump is in a state of "devolved" authority, being arrested by an occupying foreign power is probably a "red line" that would finally trigger military countermeasures. Secondly, it would fit exactly well with the entire document scenario (a tar-baby trap with the documents as bait) and Trump's seemingly strange ebullience over the whole subject, as though he is itching for the trap to spring. The "trap" in this case being his arrest and getting the Deep State to cross the Rubicon that his Presidential Executive Orders anticipated.
There may be more along the same theme, but I think fellow anons can grab this bone and chew on it. Please do so. I would love to see if I am on the right beam.
Q said POTUS 100% insulated
That doesn't mean he can't be arrested - especially if it's part of the plan.
'Being arrested' is a first step. Q might have meant that POTUS is insulated against (only) prosecution and/or conviction.
Think about the impeachment(s). He was not insulated against impeachment or even prosecution, only the conviction.
We'll have to see where the movie takes us...
Arrested means guns around Trump. Guns that white hats don't control. They may show up to arrest, but if he is arrested, that is bad.
That's a very good point. I hadn't thought of that.
I agree an arrest of Trump is a possibility within the context of that drop.
To me being "insulated" just means he's protected.
Like they won't kill him in jail. That IF he is arrested, he's insulated within the context of a plan.
I don't know if they're going to arrest Trump. But DEFINITELY seems like a possibility.
Arresting him at tonight's rally or at another rally would be Jan 6 redux x10 ... and probably only help us in the end. That being said it could easily destroy alot of lives of regular people at the rally being arrested for "interference" or other charges, so I kinda hope that's not their plan.
Given how they've pushed up a narrative that he SHOULD be arrested ... you have to at least consider they might try.
But even they probably know how risky that is, even as delusional as they are.
Idk, if you compound a public arrest of trump at a rally, not only would it be bloody for both sides , but that would all the way wake the dragon of the people that had enough. Itd be like Waco X 10000 compounded with millions of people gunning for feds of any branch. Could be wrong but those are 2 serious catalyst to compound together. At that point, it would prob be a all out white hat black hat brawl over the nation.
Sadly, that’s what the deep state wants us to do!
See, this is what I dont understand about the Q and the rest of the passivist. Never in the evolution of culture and or forming of new nations was there ever some secret super hero group that creates a utopia for the dreamers. I hope the white hats rectify this or a meeting of the states happens to greatly shrink the power of the fed, but I won't wait so long that I'll be put in fema camps, wishing I had done something. I think any organized effort would make them bend the knee. A great example was the bundy ranch stand off with the epa swatt/military. Snipers on the bridge backing a armed small community, willing to do what was right, no matter the consequences, was all it took for the fed bois to suck a cock and fuck off. I mean, I'm not advocating violence but I'm def supporting a stand your ground policy.
Especially if it's just a movie arrest.
Or insulated against assassination
indictment != arrest
POTUS is Biden.
Insulation keeps one at a comfortable temperature. The cold or heat won't have as great an effect on someone.
If Trump is still President, an arrest would be a declaration of war. The Military would activate.
that's interesting, and would definitely move the story along.
My point exactly.
President Trump. I know what Q said, but they're going to arrest him. They won't be able to resist.
I don't know what happens after that. We're in uncharted territory.
I also think that might be an option. we're watching a movie and following a script, plots have certain elements to keep them moving...
so if President Trump gets arrested _______ happens.
what would make sense...
his supporters riot ( but we know better)
Joe Biden takes over and blows up the world (he's too stupid/not in control)
any ideas?
We want a hero, a savior. Someone to rescue us from this evil regime.
Well, that ain't gonna happen, WE are the only hope and so far we're no more than an unorganized mass of humanity lacking cohesiveness. While it's true there are more of us than there of them, they have been busy little termites eating away at the very structure of our society. They hold the reins of power and wield them with precision and unity.
Get braced for reality. This isn't a movie, even if Q used it as a metaphor. None of us know what is prepared in the background. (Just as the Ukrainians didn't know about the Russian ambush when they attempted to storm the Zaporozhe Nuclear Power Plant).
if MAGA do not rise and riot after Trump's arrest then there really will be nothing on this earth that makes them do so. And it will be highly disappointing. It would mean they really are cucked and will let any travesty just happen.
We are engaged in asymmetrical psychological warfare. The chaotic violence you suggest would only lead to disaster.
That dude is probably a shill, MAGA knows that you do not get freedom from rioting. This has to be done peacefully or the full force of the boot will surely come down on our collective faces.
Idk, I kinda gree with his statement. I feel the same way in some more recent events. Like the lock downs for covid and all the churches shut down along with freedoms and livelihoods. I never thought the American people would lay down is such a way. It was sad to see. I always prided our genetic gene pool of the feral, undomesticated peoples of the world. Seems I've become a bit cynical since then.
i'm just saying if there's one event that should finally trigger Patriots to get off their ass its Trump's arrest.
Agreed.
3717 17-Dec-2019 5:03:45 PM EST 8kun/qresearch7538264
First indictment [unseal] will trigger mass pop awakening. First arrest will verify action and confirm future direction. They will fight but you are ready. Marker [9]. Q
Two things jump out here that say President Trump is not who this post is talking about.
How does arresting President Trump confirm future direction for the Q Team and the Anons?
Why will they fight President Trump being arrested?
I think we all assume we have not seen the first indictment unsealed so it has to come from a super secret investigation no one has heard about. It can’t be Durham, he’s already made indictments and arrests.
Umm... first arrest was Jeffrey Epstein. First indictment was Ghislaine Maxwell because Jeffrey died (or was whisked away into witness protection) before it could happen.
And if you don't think that indictment triggered a mass pop awakening?
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What was "impressive, most impressive?"
Nurse Deplorable's Tweet, which is archived here-
https://archive.ph/XOTJ7
And what happened on July 2, 2020?
u/#q3508
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/ghislaine-maxwell-jeffrey-epstein-arrest-856874/
Archive - https://archive.ph/0xIET
Thank you ! I wasn’t here yet when this all happened. And thanks for the archived tweets, not having that history is one of the major frustrations with so many Twitter accounts deleted.
I was trying to make a good argument why it won’t be President Trump without knowing this history. Again, much appreciated!
I agree this is the most likely interpretation.
Isn't there another Special Counsel besides Durham? Was it Huber? Can't remember...
I disagree about it can't be from Durham, he's only arrested low level fruit, the easy ones. That doesn't mean that Durham doesn't have a whopper of a fish in his sights with sealed indictments ready to go.
But he’s made his first arrest, so that’s off the table. The remaining question is if he has already unsealed his first indictment? I don’t know the answer to that question.
If Trump is arrested it is game over for all of us that means we lost. So no it wont happen because the minute it does US will be in a civil war and there would be riots on the street. This is why they are doing it the way they are to avoid the riots on the street.. So please stop saying Trump is first arrest when they have never so much as found a crime to arrest him for.
You have to consider that they "can indict a ham sandwich". They will probably indict him over something they found in the raid, whether or not they even have a case. In fact they may have already indicted him and it is sealed. If/when they unseal any indictments against Trump then they will make the arrest. I don't but them saying they have to wait until after the election either. They cheat every time, all the time. Why hold back a sure thing when they can interfere with the election and kill the morale of MAGA?
Remember - an arrest doesn't have to stick. They don't need a conviction (right now anyway). They just need to demoralize MAGA voters enough that they stay home. Then they keep CONgress.
As for the "they will fight" part from the Q post - that could mean the left will fight to publicize the arrest far and wide, and smear Trump with everything they have. They have to convince everyone Trump is guilty, suppress the conservative votes, and make sure the left still votes. That's a lot of fighting.
Here we go again. Because you aren't a "Q fanatic", you missed the dozens of discussions on this before on GAW.
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POTUS 100% insulated.
I have kept aloof from the inbred fantasizing. Define "insulated". A reasonable definition is that Trump will suffer no harm and no permanent disability. Dozens of discussions have led to no conclusion...just a collection of favorite fantasies.
Consider that Trump can be arrested without an indictment. It happens all the time in ordinary life. An indictment must precede a prosecution, not an arrest. Consider that if such an arrest crosses a "red line," the military may respond by arresting all government officers complicit in the arrest, up to and including Biden. Then it is a Mexican standoff, with the military holding the high hand.
You can keep fantasizing on this all you want. It's what you apparently want. To me, this is a 'Chicken Little' topic, that has just as much merit as being struck by a meteorite. It ain't going to happen no matter how much you try to slice and dice, and dissect 'Q's statement.
I'll come right out and say it is a speculative scenario. But one that explains the current circumstances, which is a mark of a successful theory. Explain Trump's current eagerness. Eagerness for what?
I don't need to explain anything. If 'Chicken Little' is claiming the sky is falling, the weight of proof weighs on the claimant, not the people hearing the fear porn. 'Q' said POTUS is 100% insulated.
So, the weight of proof is on Q...according to your own principle.
Define "insulated." The current can still flow, but no harm will come to you if you are INSULATED.
Your ire is misdirected. My thesis is that Trump being arrested would fit nicely into a tar-baby trap he has constructed and baited in advance.
There you go again slicing, dicing, and dissecting a word. This the same response I made last time. You yourself said your fantasy scenario is "speculative". Chicken Little was being speculative too. The sky is not going to fall. Minimize the disguised fear porn and know patience is a virtue.
Boy, you really don't get it. There is a difference between a "what if" speculation (my offering) and a "it's going to happen" prophecy (Chicken Little). Which you don't seem to appreciate. As a result, you don't understand that the premise of the speculation would be to look forward to it happening as being part of The Plan. What "fear porn"? Why would we be afraid of a necessary element of the Plan? I think you have little faith in either Trump or the Plan.
wow this is the first time ive heard this one!
It wasn’t kleinsmith or Epstein?
Epstein was first arrest, and Ghislaine was first indictment.
how do the mods not cut this off quicker yet? how is the answer way down here?
And complete flops they were, insofar as public awareness is concerned. They were tabloid sideshows, on the front pages of The Globe and the National Enquirer. (I know. I read all about them there.) Their connection to fundamental political corruption is obscure, in the popular mind. I mean, strongly suspecting what they were doing, as I was, I thought the indictments, arrests, convictions, imprisonments, etc., were a total nothingburger. In terms of popular thought, they may as well have not existed.
How do you know they were the "first" arrest and the "first" indictment? People of all stripes are arrested or indicted daily. You could pick any of them at random can call them "first." This is typical Q-ish ambiguity. We won't know what is "first" until we see the effects.
The first arrest was Jeffrey Epstein. First indictment was Ghislaine Maxwell because Jeffrey died (or was whisked away into witness protection) before it could happen.
And if you don't think that indictment triggered a mass pop awakening?
u/#q4566
What was "impressive, most impressive?"
Nurse Deplorable's Tweet, which is archived here-
https://archive.ph/XOTJ7
And what happened on July 2, 2020?
u/#q3508
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/ghislaine-maxwell-jeffrey-epstein-arrest-856874/
Archive - https://archive.ph/0xIET
Q wasn't ambiguous at all. You just didn't study the drops and are speculating on things that were already covered.
P.S. This is what you call a flop, insofar as public awareness is concerned?
Ghislaine: Partner in Crime aired on Paramount+.
Who Is Ghislaine Maxwell? aired on STARZ.
Chasing Ghislaine aired on Amazon.
Victoria's Secret: Angels and Demons, which covers Les Wexner's relationship with Epstein and Maxwell, aired on Hulu.
Jeffrey Epstein: Filthy Rich aired on Netflix and was one of the most watched shows in their history when it first debuted.
It's also worth noting the co-producer of the Netflix show Jeffrey Epstein: Filthy Rich was author James Patterson, who collaborated on a fictional mystery novel The President is Missing with Bill Clinton in 2018.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/arts/books/article-james-patterson-on-the-president-is-missing-his-collaboration-with/
So, yes, the coverage and content on many of these shows was heavily censored and produced in such a way to implicate Donald Trump and exonerate deep state Democrats and their allies as much as possible.
However, when you keep in mind these shows were produced by the same networks that buried the Epstein story in years prior to his actual arrest, there can be no argument it produced a mass pop awakening.
I'd be willing to wager if we polled 100 random Americans, more of them would know who Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell are than who Kamala Harris is.
They might also know who the Queen of England is. Widespread knowledge of trivia means nothing. All I know is that the only serious discussion of these persons I have encountered is on this page. Outside, in the real world, nobody talks about them or their implications. Not even on conservative talk radio. Ergo, no mass popular awakening.
"First arrest will verify action and confirm future direction" - post 3716
That first arrest was Kevin Clinesmith, which "confirmed" that Durham was a real person, and that the "future direction" would be him working his way up the criminal syndicate ladder.
"First indictment [unseal] will trigger mass pop awakening"
I don't believe we've seen this yet...
I still think it was Epstein as knowledge of his escapades have permeated the normiesphere like wildfire and barely slowed down. However, double meanings and all it could be multiple firsts we are dealing with.
It looks like John Pedo-esta is back in play.
It would also solidify Trump as guilty of everything the media accuses him of in the mind of wavering normies, so it's a very dangerous game for Q team to play if they go down that road.
And it wouldnt be a good look for the MIL to step in to unarrest "a billionaire who tried to overturn an election" in the minds of normies etc
As I mentioned, Trump conspicuously does not appear concerned over danger. But it does seem to be a game and he evidently thinks he has the winning hand. What game? What hand? That remains to be seen.
I have no use for "wavering normies." These are people who are just as likely to stay home from the polls. If someone has to "waver" over a choice between America First and the One-World Progressive Dogma, they cannot tell the difference between right and wrong. Just write them off as being useful idiots (which they are). The Progressives are not in the majority. They try assiduously to promote that view---but they are inveterate LIARS. We, least of all, should not take any heed of that view.
wavering normies are crucial dude
Somebody who "wavers" between depravity and decency, corruption and integrity? Is someone who doesn't know what is important in life. They are out there, but it is unimportant to pander to them. In fact, it is deadly to do so.
There's something to do with Christmas in this whole thing.
I don't know what, but I think this whole thing goes crazy at primaries and is done by Christmas. But hey I've been wrong before
If they actually do arrest Trump, we will never see him again. He will not survive that. They will parade him before the public as much as they can, like all degenerate governments do with their political enemies, and then he'll be dead.
"Heart attack, you know. He was old and fat. Couldn't stand the strain of his misdeeds."
If they ever do arrest him, they will kill him.
Since you can't possibly KNOW this, why do you embrace the fantasy as truth?
I must confess to it being a question I have asked myself as well. And now the DoJ are leaving the so called investigation until after the midterms, and yes it very much seemed like a trap, with even the FedBois evidence pic being photoshopped!
Yes it may well be a red line, much like the raid, but also the raid established precedent, so watch out Obama and Joe Bitler!
But at this point in the movie, I'm still not sure kek.
I cant understand Q team allowing that path to take place. Arresting Trump would trigger the civil war the deep state are desperate to bring about, whilst also solidifying Trumps "guilt" in the minds of normies.
It would be beyond counter productive surely...
Everybody awaits and is impatient for the precipice. But once a likely candidate is identified "it would be beyond counter-productive, surely." Can't have a precipice without a prospect of falling over the edge. Or, give up the fantasy and go home where it would not be "counter productive." We may have the hearts and minds, but now I wonder if we have the balls.
Yes I hear you, it certainly would be a wobbly tightrope across the grand canyon! I'm just looking at many different angles.
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A sitting President cannot be arrested or criminally indicted.
He has the power to pardon himself if anyone attempted it.
He can be sued in a civil case, such as the Paula Jones sexual harassment case against Bill Clinton.
But the remedy for a criminal charges against a sitting President is Impeachment.
They already tried that twice and failed.
After an Impeachment conviction it is an open question about whether he could face criminal indictment for crimes committed in office. The issue of self pardon leaves that question open for the Supreme Court to decide.
I’ve always wondered, if DC is occupied territory but Florida isn’t, per-say, how would they arrest him legally in Florida and move him out of the State? Why would Gov. DeSantis even allow that kind of arrest? If I was him I’d use my National Guard to stop the Feds from removing Trump from Florida. I wonder how this all works under the Law of War Manual?
Be imaginative. Wherever he could be, the Feds could arrive en masse with overwhelming force, secure the premises at which he is located, take him in tow, march him out to a helicopter, and fly away...to wherever. "Arrest warrant? We don't need no stinkin' arrest warrant!" They don't have to arrest him legally...when they control the wheels of justice. Give them credit for understanding that they are acting out of power, not out of legality.
No it’s Jeffery Epstein.
Q never says the “first arrest will shock the world”.
https://qposts.online/post/3717
Q says “First indictment [unseal] will trigger mass pop awakening.” This is talking about a seperate future event with something being exposed, which will be shown to the world to as many people as possible concurrently, and will expose the full truth of the world, in ways that are undeniable. This is what the Q plan and the “movie” have been working towards.
I’m terms of the “first arrest”, Q has says said “First arrest will verify action and confirm future direction”
The “verify action” is referring to the idea that “elite pedo rings are a conspiracy, and they will do anything to hide it”, which is exposed as true with his arrest, and even more so with his “suicide”. Even left wingers believe in “elite pedo rings”, they just now claim people like Trump are responsible. Of course this doesn’t matter, and if anything is a good thing, if “NCSWIC”.
The “future direction” that is confirmed involve Epstein’s true purpose in all of those. His true purpose was not “celebrities politicians and other elites have fun molesting kids”. This is also not the end goal of the people the plan is against.
Instead, his purpose in the evil plan was to black mail. He was likely one of many. The “evil plan” is a plan to control everyone, that had a plan to control people in n the future (that is hopefully stopped), and more importantly, has done bad things in the PAST. The bad stuff done which will be revealed during “declas” will have NOTHING to do with Trump. It will be far more world changing, and deep.
The evil plan relies on everyone being too scared to question the existence of this plan, and more importantly, the inability for anyone (regardless of race nation religion or political affiliation) to question it’s indirect authority.
The best (and likely only) way to end it permanently long term is to expose WHO is responsible, all of WHAT they did, and expose it it in such a way so EVERYONE is watching, at the same time, EVERYONE understands, and in a way that is UNDENIABLE.
The “movie” involves EVERY major world event since 2017, including COVID, Trump “losing”, January 6th, Biden as POTUS, the Biden economy, the current scapegoating of Trump and Trump voters of being every terrible thing combined. All needed for this plan. Not sure what or who will be exposed 🤔
And Epstein's arrest did NOT shock the world...at least not for more than a moment. Who talks about Epstein today? No one. I certainly don't. Same thing with "mass popular awakening." Nope. Hasn't happened. The only thing most people know about Gislaine Maxwell is that she has an odd first name. The possible linkages to government officials is in the land of titillation, not of serious corruption concerns.
I'm just a realist. These events are publicly meaningless. The key events haven't happened---based on outcomes. We have to stop indulging our own wish fulfillment fantasies and see things for what they are. Right now, Trump and the Deep State are on the verge of personal combat---and Trump's favorite sport is boxing.
If you wanted to set Precedent for arresting former presidents. then this is how you would do it.
Not if there is a terrible boomerang involved.
So he gets arrested, maybe goes to trial, and that's when crossfire hurricane and other pieces of evidence get submitted.
My assessment is that it would not be allowed to go beyond arrest. If there is a plan. Otherwise, the outcome would be tantamount to there being no plan.
Well, if "it had to be this way" means more than just skirting disaster and hardship..
Maybe this is the wrong take, but we still don't know what water to watch. People say Maxwell was the first indictment according to Q, and I've not seen the drop where this is stated, and we don't know which arrest confirms future direction. And it's quite possible those two statements are unrelated to each other.
So, how do you introduce evidence legally when judges determine what evidence is pertinent to a case? How do you introduce [D]s high crimes [corruption] to the public? What trial would have the most eyes on it in the history of the world, at this point..
We know they have nothing from the MAL raid, and at best, they have a process crime. But that didn't stop impeachment 1 and 2.
The Mar-a-Lago raid isn't over yet. We have seen the FBI's willingness to fabricate evidence already in this affair. If we grant that the Deep State are desperate to find anything that could be used, then they are desperate enough to contrive something that could be used.
As for the Q clues, I now regard them as riddles, to be understood in retrospect (future proves past).
It would make his wish come true of "losing everything to see who is loyal. "
Wasn't it Epstein or Ghislaine? Pedos arrested...more Pedos to be arrested...
I downvoated you because A, this has been put forth multiple times here, & B, I lost interest after reading not a Q fanatic.
I've been following for several years and don't recall much discussion. You are interested only in fanaticism?
From my perspective, Trump trying his damnist to get arrested; so far only nibbles.
Should be Hunter Biden! After My Son Hunter, holy crap he should be in GITMO!!
Hmmmm. ... maybe.
Epstein and Maxwell were what is meant as noted in the threads and that it would be like the significance of a snowflake turning into a snowball and then an avalanche as one arrest would eventually lead to others until it becomes a flood.
That doesn't mean a trump arrest couldn't be the precipice that brings us to almost civil war...who knows? But the drops did say insulated so I doubt it.
The first arrest was allegedly shown to be Maxwell. I’ll have to go find the source for that though.
Doesn't matter. Didn't fulfill the prophecy. Or maybe we have to lower our standards for fulfillment...and realize that Q prophecies may be not so robust as we would like to think.
Hasn’t fulfilled the prophecy yet. The game’s not over.
Butthead: " He, he,... he said ebullience.." Beavis : Ya -ya....ebullience...uh, what's that?"
Was definitely thinking the same as you.
I'd say we already passed the military trigger. There is computer information that tracked election fraud to foreign countries.
I guess if you want a violent civil war. I was under the assumption they wanted the exact opposite of that.
I was thinking Durham might get arrested.
I have thought about it, and arresting Trump doesn't seem to be it. That is a convoluted thing that most people wouldn't understand, or lead to an awakening. It has to be someone well known or it would not be a "mass pop awakening." It can't be a typical dirtball, like McCarthy or Turtle, because they are really not that well known. Even Podesta really isn't.
My vote is for Obama being arrested for being a pedo. Maybe Big Mike too for a two-for-one.
The "future direction" would be arresting pedos.
What else fits?
Trump is the most well-known person on this planet today (let alone this nation, and possibly excepting Vladimir Putin). To have him arrested as a former president would be unthinkable to most non-progressives, thus a shock and/or an awakening. He is not a dirtball, which is what would make it both shocking and awakening. Dirtballs are a bore; no one would notice anything about a dirtball.
I'm sure everyone here has been thinking (assuming) that the arrests would be of the Bad Guys by the Good Guys---hints of the Total Victory. Totally implausible. What Good Guys would be doing that? The FBI? (Hint: they are not Good Guys.) No, it has to be an arrest of a Good Guy by the Bad Guys. That will get everybody on the edge of their chairs as they listen to the evening TV news. How does this get resolved? The military is the only way.
Civil war? No chance. Lots of talk and bravado, but no leadership, no organization, no strategic goal, and no plan. We aren't even ready (or willing) to conduct riots. This is why we have to trust the plan: we are clueless regarding next steps.