This is my first time posting, so please forgive any formatting issues. TLDR to start because your time is valuable, and this is a long post.
TLDR: I have seen no evidence to support that the US is a corporation. I have seen two main forms of proof, which I dispute below. Straight forward enough?
I am posting to address a theory that circulates on here every so often. I refer to what I will call the US Corporation theory. I don’t know if supporters have a different name for it, so apologies if it has a better name.
I may be mistaken, but I have also taken the US Corporation theory to include the Sovereign Citizen movement. I do this because when they quote law, they use similar references. Also, there is a lot of overlap between the two. Please correct me in the comments if these are independent and should be treated differently.
I was inspired to post by a video link posted in the comments here today. I am not linking to the comment, or the post they commented on because I am not “calling out” the poster, or insinuating that they glow like Chernobyl. I am assuming they are good folk, and not a clown.
I also want to say the video has some good info, just definitely not what I write about below. The link was to the following video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHl4j5xF-Js&t=12s&ab_channel=RageAgainstNWO
The video made two claims in particular that stood out to me. First, that the United States became a corporation under the Organic Act of 1871. Link to the current Federal Code, 28 U.S.C. 3002, which incorporates the Act of 1781, below:
The theory points to 28 U.S.C. 3002 Section 15. I am skipping Sections (1) through (14) here. You can find them at the link above.:
- Definitions
As used in this chapter:
…
(15) "United States" means—
(A) a Federal corporation; (B) an agency, department, commission, board, or other entity of the United States; or (C) an instrumentality of the United States.
Here’s the problem with interpreting United States means a Federal Corporation. See that part right at the beginning that says: “As used in this chapter”? Those are the definitions for this chapter. Not always, and not everywhere in the US Code – only for this chapter.
Second, that the Paris Peace Treaty of 1783 confirms that the US was and is a British colony:
https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/treaty-of-paris
You can scroll down to see a transcript of the document. The following is the part that I think the video refers to, very first paragraph:
“It having pleased the Divine Providence to dispose the Hearts of the most Serene and most Potent Prince George the Third, by the Grace of God, King of Great Britain, France, and Ireland, Defender of the Faith, Duke of Brunswick and Lunebourg, Arch- Treasurer and Prince Elector of the Holy Roman Empire etc.. and of the United States of America, to forget all past Misunderstandings and Differences that have unhappily interrupted the good Correspondence and Friendship which they mutually wish to restore;”
The above reads as if the King of England is referred to as King or Price Elector of the United States. Keep in mind that this also says he is King of France, a country he was actively at war with, and who aided us in the Revolutionary War.
Next, go to Article 1 of the document:
“His Brittanic Majesty acknowledges the said United States, viz., New Hampshire, Massachusetts Bay, Rhode Island and Providence Plantations, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia, to be free sovereign and Independent States; that he treats with them as such, and for himself his Heirs & Successors, relinquishes all claims to the Government, Propriety, and Territorial Rights of the same and every Part thereof.
Since I can’t format on this site for shit, let me just put some emphasis of my own:
His Brittanic Majesty
acknowledges
the said Unites States
to be free and sovereign Independent States
and for himself his Heirs & Successors
relinquishes all claims to the Government, Propriety and Territorial Rights of the Same and every Part thereof.
I think that wraps up the French Treaty part of the theory.
Please feel free to send me something else to look up for this. Give me legal citations to check. If you genuinely believe the US is a corporation, I truly want to look at your sources.
I am not a lawyer, but I do work in legal. I am passionate about the law, and I do not appreciate when people claim the law says one thing when it really says something else. That’s what Demonrats do.
First post, and it's stickied less than two minutes after it's posted??
You're never living this down, frog. Never, ever.
Drop me a PM in an hour if you want to be a mod around here.
Sorry, I forgot I did make two posts where I posted a link and asked a question. So NOT my first post. Hopefully first post of substance!
It's interesting that you've observed the attacks in this thread. Just based on your opinion of the attacks/ slide techniques, it seems apparent that this topic is over the target. I look forward to contributing to GAW, specifically on the topic of the American Common Law. But, I need to put what I've learned into practice. I'm a recently awakened pede who just started learning about the American Common Law, please be patient. The Common Law is so much simpler than contract law or trust law, and it's FASCINATING! Thanks for the insight into sliding/ thread attacks, I never realized that was a thing until I started lurking on 4 chan, and I'm still not that great at recognizing these techniques.
Pardon my ramblings, I'm tired from work but wanted to participate in this topic. Learning how our Republic works is ESSENTIAL to freeing ourselves from the cabal.
I agree it does take away from other things that are more important, such as learning about our republican form of government. Without knowing how to participate in our self governed republic, we the people cannot reclaim, in a sustainable way, our freedom. By learning about how our Republic is supposed to work, I learned about the US corporation fraud. The corporation went bust ( but did exist) and while the history of it is interesting, it is not the best use of our time. I don't believe the earth is flat, but don't find it important either way. Who cares what shape the earth is if you don't know how to exercise your political power. Learning how to wield your political power is a necessary step that Gen Flynn consistently asks us to do. Local action = national impact means learning the rules/processes/ paperwork that allow us to take back control of our government.
"Justice Neil Gorsuch reflects on his journey to the Supreme Court, the role of the judge under our Constitution, and the vital responsibility of each American to keep our republic strong.
As Benjamin Franklin left the Constitutional Convention, he was reportedly asked what kind of government the founders would propose. He replied, “A republic, if you can keep it.”
It took less than 2 minutes to be stickied because you were the one who stickied it ... they’ve made 2 posts and you want to make them a mod already?
?? wut
It's a joke, fren. Chill. Recover your sense of humour.
But the movie is getting tense
True, but we can still have a bit of fun
Indeed
I caught your sarcasm sir.
This handshake ain't worth a shit. Condescending and rude. Checked history....ended up back here. Me see pattern.
This account is only 1 hour old and it's already flipping out about stickies. 🤣🤣🤣
u/#ShilliVanilli
Now that shiznet is funny.. 😂😂🤣. Oh the days.
Kekedy kek kek
I know some may take offense to the notion of this theory being bunk, but I also think you've approached it in a mature manner. Good theories need to withstand basic scrutiny. I too have found the information on this lacking, but perhaps there's some legal thing I've missed as well?
If there's anyone on the pro side of this theory, I'd like to see a good break down of how exactly it's supposed to be true, with the legalese spelled out a little better for those of us who didn't work IN the jag office.
Thanks and I agree! That was why I made this!
Most of us just want the truth. That’s why we’re here. Good, bad, or ugly. The truth gives us understanding and lights a path forward.
My understanding! Sovernn citizen is a title created by the BAR Association. It's a trap. You need to do more research on that one. Cop asks if you're a citizen of any kind it's a trap. We should be referenced as an Iowan National, State National, or we the people. That said you must remove yourself from that corporation, that does exist. THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA all caps is the corporation. These United States is constitutionally correct. We are the people, We The People, not citizens. I've been wanting to do posts on this but I've only got about 30 hours research time. There are millions of State nationals now and growing fast. I believe this to be the most important action we can take to regain control of the country. I'm looking into it more. When I have supporting docs I'll do that. For now, I've read some of the supporting docs, and I whole heartedly believe this to be true. But that's me. I also believe the deep State has created shortcut sites to become a State National. These sites I believe are designed to do it incorrectly, thus getting people arrested while creating doubt in the process. We've all seen the vids on that. I plan to do posts but it's a deep deep rabbit hole. YouTube had some vids that are worth watching. David Lester Straight Utah is a good set to start with!
Correct "state national" or "union citizen" is the correct term. If you say "citizen of the United States", this means "citizen of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA" CORPORATION or TRUST, whichever it is. Everyone is a union citizen of Tennessee State AND a corporate citizen/employee of STATE OF TENNESSEE CORPORATION, for example. All state courts operate under corporation jurisdiction which is Roman Civil Law (selected by the Trust#2) because Tennessee State has illegally and deceptively "hired" the STATE OF TENNESEE CORPORATION (created after 3-9-1933) to run Tennessee State (union state under the Constitution of 1788, Trust#1). They intentionally make it confusing so you can't sort it out.
And that's why British agents talk to British nobles in legalese. The Bar is an all-controlling organization, requiring British agents everywhere to "register" to be able to "practice" "law." I do believe we are in-fact under British Common Law.
Indeed! I gotta get to a seminar!
This fat kids paying attention
That's another good item: where does anything official say that "ALL CAPITAL LETTERS" means anything at all?
Nowhere. I worked many years at a law firm. All caps didn't exist until typewriters were invented. There was no boldface or underline on typewriters, so the only way to emphasize names in a long document was to type them in all caps. After computers came out we did the same, as the daisy-wheel printers didn't do all caps either. Then we got laser printers that could do boldface, but law firms don't change overnight, so we kept the same procedures in place.
There are people claiming that all birth certificates have your name in all caps to show that you are collateral for some money scheme. That is not so. I am a researcher, and I've looked at thousands of old original birth certificates in a number of states. They were all entirely handwritten, meaning no all caps anywhere. These people also claim that the certificates have serial numbers, but I 've never seen anything other than a short page number.
It's all made up by wingnuts.
My certificate has a cusip number. I have checked the website that shows how many times it has been bundled and sold. Mine was 714 times. I didn't look up my social yet.
I've seen many thousands of birth certificates in many different states, and I've never seen any kind of number on one other than the page number, as they are bound in big books by year. As far as a SSN, I got mine a year or two before I started looking for a job back in the late 60s.
SSNs have the same number of characters as a CUSIP number. That website will take any numbers you type in and give a result, though it has nothing to so with any number other that numbers on stocks, bonds, and corporations. The result is random as far as you and anything associated with you are concerned. If you get any result at all, it just means that somewhere there is a stock, bond, or corporation that happens to have that number.
It's all a tale from wingnut land.
Mine has one. Guess I'm a wing nut.. You do you
The left used to call the right 'wingnuts'. So why are you here?
The "left" was mistaken.
Incorporated businesses are all filed under all caps.
This is Cliff High's take on it.
https://beforeitsnews.com/prophecy/2022/09/new-clif-high-captured-congress-trumped-by-military-fema-is-a-captured-continuity-of-government-operates-under-dc-empire-city-2533644.html
If you’d like a less mature but still enough to have statutes and codes quoted check out www.onestupidfuck.com and watch the first video on the front page for a TL;DR video of his contract killer course. At least he lives up to his name lol. As crazy as he comes across he brings the goods on US Corporation, state national status, contract killing through contract law, and discharging debt. Listen to this dude and you can basically become your own federal reserve. Create your own currency and discharge your debt with it. As long as you can still get loans approved you can discharge them. Plan well and Mass up good credit to finance stuff and then discharge it. Credit score will eventually hinder you but you can do a lot of damage if you do it right. Key part is having no assets by putting everything you own in a trust so they can’t take anything from you. Have fun in the rabbit hole.
I was really hopeful on this one. On one of the beginning pages he offers a free download for Blacks Law 4th edition, which is awesome. Then i read this:
Common Law is the law of the LAND. Statutory/corporate/commerce law is the law of the SEA. And there is actually one more jurisdiction of the AIR, which is governed by God and the Bible. The Air jurisdiction is expressed in law by Trust Law (which has its own rules) and Canon Law.
Look at the first sentence. The constitution is the supreme law of the land. Period.
If he doesn't believe in the constitution, I am not reading further.
Is there something on there in particular that you liked? I will check it out.
The way he explains contract law and how he uses it against banks makes sense to me. Especially after watching this other video https://youtu.be/iFDe5kUUyT0 about how currency is generated out of nothing by the federal reserve and banks. Then watching his video expands on that by using contract law to expose the fake corporate you that was created fraudulently and how to eject yourself from the US Corporation to being a state national or the equivalent to a foreign national to the corporation. What some people call being a sovereign that is governed by only the constitution and common law. He really does explain it better if you’re patient enough to get through his opening BS on that first video on his page. It gets really interesting once he gets on topic. He uses self written contracts to put the banks in a catch-22 between discharging your debt or being sued in a common law court.
Honestly I’m a bit of a dumbshit but have seen enough bits of information in other places to recognize how this guy pulls it all together. Not saying I will act on it but he has me chewing on the info enough to contemplate it. He has a free class you can sign up for and sends you a new video once a day for two weeks but the first video on his page is a good summary of what the whole class entails.
I think you just explained the whole thing. It appears that it was the Vatican that setup the Trust#2 of 1871, and very possibly the Trust#1 of 1788 with the DC carve out language added in there somewhere, maybe 1791?
L = Land; jurisdiction granted to the United States from the Crown; only state nationals buying land with gold or silver can truly own land and get the legal title.
A = Air/Spirit; Provided to Vatican City per one of the agreements 1783, so they have the authority to create Trust#2 in 1871 and select W jurisdiction as law of the land. Vatican put themselves above God when claiming this.
W= Water; Retained by England and Crown; sea is primary form of commerce and operates under Admiralty Law which may have evolved from or predated Roman Civil Law (RCL) and into the UCC. So any Trust created that specifically selects RCL/Admiralty, such as was apparently done in 1871, gets to use that jurisdiction.
When you are acting as a state national (Trust#1) the Constitution for the united states of America (CfusA, 1788) is the law of the land (Am/Brit common/Const Law via Article III Federal Courts). When you are acting as a citizen of the United States (Trust#2) the Constitution of the United States of America (CotUSA, 1871) is the law of land (Roman Civil Law/Admiralty Law/UCC enforced via State Courts under "corporate law" of the STATE SERVICE CORPORATIONS.)
Found a simpler way to explain what he does. You will obviously have to seek more details to fully understand. He does the exact same thing banks do, he sends them a lien on the loan contract, because it is monetary, and when they don’t respond he turns it into a security and sells it. Anyone can do it by adhering to contract law
Curious if you've gone ahead and done this or just read about it.
No I have not. I am contemplating it but as he explains it’s not something to just jump into. You must prepare and move methodically and intentionally. To do it right and avoid problems. I’ve seen enough bits and pieces of info pertaining to this in other places to recognize how he is pulling it all together. The first video on his page is worth the view of you can get through the opening BS. Once he gets on topic he gives a good outline of everything he teaches in his free class.
Found a simpler way to explain what he does. You will obviously have to seek more details to fully understand. He does the exact same thing banks do, he sends them a lien on the loan contract, because it is monetary, and when they don’t respond he turns it into a security and sells it. Anyone can do it by adhering to contract law.
I thought before today that the general consensus here was this IS the USA Corporation, est. 1871. Hardly ever was it questioned before, it was simply taken as true that US Grant was the first president under the corp, so after the dissolution Trump would be No. 19, etc. Now suddenly today everyone's on board that it's bunk.
I have absolutely no idea whether it's true or not. I had asked a couple times for some sauce that it is true, and it was provided. I lost the paper I wrote the notes on but remember it was pretty convincing. Now the fence I'm sitting on is digging into my buttcrack.
Pretty sure u/Space_Monkey nailed it below with the UCC stuff.
Expand on the SSN thing … never heard that one
When you get or are given your SSN, you are signing a contract, giving up your rights in exchange for benefits. Under Trust Law and Roman Civil Law it is your responsibility to know, even if it is impossible. It is an evil trick. This is why you must get an affidavit terminating "all contracts unintentionally entered into" if you become a state national.
Yeah … OK. When a child gets a SSN the child “enters into a contract”? Im pretty sure it doesn't work that way. Benefit of the doubt tho … If u get a minute, could you post the sauce on that? Thanks!
That is correct. It is illegal and can be undone. Technically, it is the parents unknowingly entering their child into a contract which again, is totally illegal, and is a FRAUDULENT contract because it violates at least one of the requirements to be a legal contract per common law of contracts.
Signed affidavit "terminating all contracts entered into unknowingly" wipes them all away.
I understand it is part of the Trust Law and UCC (possibly Roman Civil Law origin with "voluntary servitude") that requires the person entering into the contract to know the terms, even if they are unaware they are entering into a contract. KL has some sauce on this specifically in this SGT report video @1:11:00: https://rumble.com/v1h04b7-they-stole-the-keys-to-our-liberty-and-were-taking-them-back.html
iVe gOt THe SoUrcE: 90 minute rumble video that links to Patriot Supply food buckets every 90 seconds.
As I understand it's what both the Act of 1870 and 1871 together that establish the base of the corporation and the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 solidifies it as such. No singular document laments the Corporation theory.
But I ask you, what honest government needs to set itself apart from the nation it supposedly governs with its own territory and laws that function outside the law of the land?
Your mistake is "honest" government. We generally accept that they lie about everything, as easily as the people that rule over us take a breath. Why would they be honest if we're legal property? Also why are there victimless crimes? Is it because we're damaging government "property?"
Here is a book that discusses the UCC and its origin: https://files.catbox.moe/bucwyk.pdf
Here is an excerpt from the intro:
If you are looking for a particular document that spells it all out with a government seal stamped on it, I don't think you will ever find it, but does that mean it's not true?
For me the only proof I needed was to look around and see just how much of what we think is "the law" is actually policy that gets enforced on people involuntarily. The only way this can be done legally is by the instruments of commercial law, which means it's all done through corporations. And since you can't mix real and fictitious entities in contracts, that means we have corporate entities too.
Per your comments about the FRN, note that these are DEBT NOTES, not money. So when you buy something with title like a car or house you CANNOT have the legal title, but only the equitable title (use only), because you never really "bought it" because debt notes are not Constitutional money per Article I, Section 10 of the 1788 Constitution. After they did this crap in 1933, we lost all of our property rights.
I believe you are spot on, and these "commerce contracts" appear to be possible because of the Roman Civil Law which is imposed in all states via the STATE OF XX CORPORATIONS that are all extensions of WASHINGTON D.C. operating under Trust#2, established in 1871. The creator of the Trust gets to decide the jurisdiction, and they chose Roman Civil Law because this is what they have been using for the last 2000 years to enslave.
Remember that the Roman Empire had legal slavery with complex legal rules around it, and one could argue that this is EXACTLY the same thing. Note that London Bankers and the Vatican are all tied to northern Italian families that know Roman Civil Law inside and out. They know all the tricks and use them quite effectively against us. It looks like they implemented the Roman Civil Law in London first, and then extended it to DC at some point. The details are still unclear, but it looks like Brexit was all about removing the UK from European Union which also looks like it is operating under Roman Civil Law and its own version of the UCC.
Note American Bar Association founded in 1878
Office in DC, but HQ in Chicago? That's weird. Did they turn Chicago in DC Corp as well? https://www.americanbar.org/about_the_aba/contact/
I watched the David Straight 6-part series on youtube that was from a year ago. Interesting stuff. I just looked and tried to find information on what the BAR acronym means for lawyers. I came upon this article from 2016 about the BAR and the missing 13th Amendment. https://www.thelibertybeacon.com/british-accreditation-registry-crown-temple-b-a-r/
Hello Mr. Space_Monkey
Add this to your archives
https://govtrackus.s3.amazonaws.com/legislink/pdf/stat/16/STATUTE-16-Pg419.pdf
Watch David Lester Straight https://rumble.com/c/OutOfBabylonDavidStraight
Also read this to get a more scratch of the surface https://wakeup-world.com/2015/12/02/proof-that-the-usa-is-controlled-by-foreign-corporations/
Have fun.
THIS! ☝🏻Glad I read through comments. David Lester Straight. Out of Babylon is great!
Amen! I'm shocked this isn't a daily discussion here! The zip code extending DC across the US is frustrating! 13 assumptions of court are what posed me off most!
Lot's of talk about David Straight on this post. I would be VERY cautious about him and his teachings. I watched about 40 hours of him and ya, the claims he makes and the things he boasts about with a straight face -- it's enough to make me throw out everything he teaches. The claims he makes about his affiliation with Trump and how he is in the know about EVERYTHING, including the identities of Q... and there are details he drops about things that if he actually knew he WOULD NOT be allowed to talk about. He's completely full of it. He's the most dangerous type of liar, he actually believes (it appears) what he is saying. His material is something I want to believe, but I just don't buy it because of the obvious reality distortions he provides. This isn't stuff you can be wrong about.
It's okay to watch the series and make up your own mind about him. I watched the 6-part series at the beginning of this year. I have taken no actions. I am not sure about what he says but I do know that it's true that Russell-Jay: Gould captured our flag back in 1999 at the Postmaster General during the 13 days it was abandoned. As Sgt Robert Horton explains in the video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eysF9sPaozg
41st Congress, Session 3, Chapter 62.
https://www.loc.gov/item/llsl-v16/
DC becomes ruler of All!!
Who really runs DC???
Good Question.
This is how we were as a country inducted into the formal western central banking system. DC set up it's own government ruled by a "Governor" appointed by the President and then they basically wrote out the entire legislation system for this new governing body.
I went on a rabbit hunt for this a while back and ended up downloading every single Statutes at Large of Congress all the way back to 1776. Which incidentally, is when DC was initially formed in the first place. By the very first Congress of the United States.
I dug a bit deeper into who The District of Columbia belonged to at the time, and of course, in the name... The Columbian government did. It was a Columbian Territory. But who was in charge of Columbia? I haven't went there yet. And I don't think it was a Commonwealth yet, if it even is today. I do still believe it could be a proxy for The Crown though.
Would be worth a look to see if there are any interesting coinciding timelines between the act of 1871 and what year Commonwealths started developing under the British crown.
Anyway, the link in my first post takes you to the LOC webpage for the 41st Congress and on page 419 of the pdf that you can download from it, there starts the Formation of the "Government" of DC. Pretty twisted.
Theoretically, it is the Speaker of the House with absolute authority. I don't know the actual person as the SotH could be a puppet for a Wizard behind the curtain.
Thank you for your post, I am glad you made it and it got stickied. I replied to that post too, mentioning that the term "(federal) corporation" is used to refer to a nation / state in certain legal documents.
This is exactly one of these cases where we need discernment. Outrageous claims need proper evidence and there really isn't much out there. I also bunch sovereign citizens together with this theory, because that's what they believe. You too, can become a sovereign citizen if you send in your zip code and 150 $ to some "general postmaster" talking about quantum grammar. It's all a scam, so beware.
The term "sovereign citizen" is an oxymoron. You are either sovereign, OR a citizen, not both. It's a made up term used to demonize people who have caught onto to the deception - like "conspiracy theorist" and "anti-vaxxer".
Yes. Also, very possible that sovereign is over and incorrectly used. The only thing "sovereign" in the united states of America (original union) is the Constitution (1788) itself. Nothing can be greater than (or above) that which created it.
A term used to demonize people? The sovereign citizen movement has come up with this name for themselves and when you do look into the "proof" about the Corporation theory, that is a term they themselves repeatedly use to describe themselves. When you watch videos where people get stopped in traffic without a license they'll claim "I don't need a license, I am a sovereign citizen".
Those are people who learned from the same controlled op gurus who teach that garbage nonsense to get people in trouble and discredit the whole idea. Anyone using that term to describe themselves is what the cabal would call a useful idiot. The FBI considers "sovereign citizens" as domestic terrorists, so openly using that label is putting a giant target on your back.
Which idea is being discredited by them and how? I've never seen sovereign citizens not being linked to the Corporation theory, since they are part of the same theory. You can't have one without the other, really.
I don't know any text that I've ever read on the subject which refers to those people as sovereign citizens, other than to explain that it is a meaningless term. If I saw that I would immediately discard the entire text, knowing it is disinfo designed to get you in trouble by doing idiotic things with no real understanding.
Which idea is being discredited? The idea that the government does not own or control our bodies and cannot force anyone to do anything against their will without due process. The idea of natural rights endowed by our creator that no man or government can take away. LE training manuals teach that sovereign citizens believe they are above the law so they can just do whatever they want, which is complete nonsense, but that is how cops treat you if you start talking about statutes and admiralty jurisdiction. They have no clue how it really works so they just follow their manual.
Soon every American will be required to register their biological property in a national system designed to keep track of the people and that will operate under the ancient system of pledging. By such methodology, we can compel people to submit to our agenda, which will affect our security as a charge back for our fiat paper currency. Every American will be forced to register or suffer being able to work and earn a living. They will be our chattels (property) and we will hold the security interest over them forever, by operation of the law merchant under the scheme of secured transactions. Americans, by unknowingly or unwittingly delivering the bills of lading (Birth Certificate) to us will be rendered bankrupt and insolvent, secured by their pledges. They will be stripped of their rights and given a commercial value designed to make us a profit and they will be none the wiser, for not one man in a million could ever figure our plans and, if by accident one or two should figure it out, we have in our arsenal plausible deniability. After all, this is the only logical way to fund government, by floating liens and debts to the registrants in the form of benefits and privileges. This will inevitably reap us huge profit beyond our wildest expectations and leave every American a contributor to this fraud, which we will call ‘Social Insurance’. Without realizing it, every American will unknowingly be our servant, however begrudgingly. The people will become helpless and without any hope for their redemption and we will employ the high office (presidency) of our dummy corporation (USA) to foment this plot against America.” – Colonel Edward Mandel House Advisor to President Woodrow Wilson
I sourced this to 3 different websites that look like they were made in the early 2000s. They all describe it as being said in a private meeting with him and Woodrow Wilson. If it was private, who heard it?
Can you provide a source?
War castles
Should watch this one.
Easily debunked how?
By collusion between John Oliver and OP's feelings.
Agreed, but I see this floated on the site and it seems suspect to say the least. We don't have infinite time and it seems like a time sink for researchers. Some of the responses here have been to refer to the act in 1871, which I addressed above. It doesn't say what they think it says. I think a followup is in order to respond to the more lengthy responses I received which also don't look promising and seem to miss the mark. I hope to learn something!
Most accurately would be setup as a Trust#2 in 1871 with Roman Civil Law jurisdiction by the Trust creator (instead of the Constitutional American/English common law of Trust#1 1788), and operates as a Corporation per the UCC which is Roman Civil Law (i.e. commerce, contracts, collateralization of assets) codified.
Like it or not the US gov is incorporated, as are states and as are most municipalities. Its required for their bonding.
https://www.dnb.com/business-directory/company-profiles.government_of_the_united_states.b7a10c3efed8e705e9ea6611ad971dbe.html
Every public official has a bond on them.
And the public official bonding can be used against them. You can file a claim against the public official directly with the insurance agency and make them uninsurable (and not eligible for office), and potentially personally bankrupt them as they have to repay the insurance company (like a bail bond). https://bondsforthewin.com/
"Second, that the Paris Peace Treaty of 1783 confirms that the US was and is a British colony:"
Read Article 1 of the Treaty of Paris 1783:
"Article 1st: His Brittanic Majesty acknowledges the said United States, viz., New Hampshire, Massachusetts Bay, Rhode Island and Providence Plantations, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia, to be free sovereign and Independent States; that he treats with them as such, and for himself his Heirs & Successors, relinquishes all claims to the Government, Propriety, and Territorial Rights of the same and every Part thereof."
No, the US is NOT a still British colony.
Correct - I said the same in the post.
Yea I don’t think this theory has ever gained a lot of attention for a reason. However what about the FED.
If it is a foreign corporation, the articles of incorporation would be held under lock and key by the foreign nation and never given up. I believe it is a Trust, but the details of the Trust are actually being occulted away somewhere, and I don't know how to get them. If the Trust was setup by a foreign entity they would likely have the paperwork. Trusts can be setup by anyone and who actually sets it up can be kept secret. We might find it in the Vatican City vault someday? Remember Trusts can own other Trusts and they can be endlessly daisy-chained as far as I know.
Alexander Hamilton the first treasurer appointed by Washington entered us into a co tract with a Rothschild bank. The contract ended in 1811. When Monroe refused to renew...war of 1812. 1816 we re sign with the private bank and the war ends. We were so weak the brits navy remained in New York harbor for 4 more years and we could not make them leave.
Banking Charters with the Bank of England to form our own banking/currency; why did we fight the War of 1812? You ask any random educated person in America and most will say “well… I have no idea.” Our whitehouse was burned by the British and none of us really know why that war was fought?
Aside from some references to trade disputes, it’s really difficult to figure out exact why. Therefore, when I first heard the 20 year banking charters that began in 1792/93…. It immediately peaked my interest. I believe we are still owned by England and were given the illusion of being a free and sovereign nation. Let me know if you decide to research this, interested in your take.
This sounds about right. 1st bank charter was setup in 1791 as part of the debt refinancing which extended the debt owed to the Bank of France in 1783/88 due date by 70 years from 1791 to 1861. Except between 1783 and 1791, the King of England bought the debt from the Bank of France, and when the United States let the National Bank charter expire without renewal in 1811, there was no way for the crown to collect its interest payments. So they utilized their Water jurisdiction (Admiralty Law) to forcibly seized some assets and collect "payment". Second National Bank established in 1816 (probably as part of agreement to end war of 1812).
L = Land; jurisdiction granted to the several States (union) from the Crown
A = Air/Spirit; Provided to Vatican City
W= Water; Retained by England and Crown; sea is primary form of commerce and operates under Admiralty Law which may have evolved from or predated Roman Civil Law which then morphed into the UCC.
If you want to control your rivals or enemies, buy their debt.
Correct. Birth certificate is used for collateralization of humans, SSN is contract used to limit rights and keep us in Admiralty Law/UCC to shift us into the Corporate Government. The queen's death or some deal she made might have nullified Trust#2 which setup DC in 1871 and was source for the STATE OF XX CORPORATIONS created in 1933 to collateralize all State property under guise of "Service Corporation".
You say:" Second, that the Paris Peace Treaty of 1783 confirms that the US was and is a British colony."
Unfortunately, that Treaty did not bring any peace and the Revolutionay war continued on for 4 more years until the year the Constitution was signed in 1787.
The Organic Act of 1871 incorporated Washington DC only. Over time they exerted influence over the states after state acceptance.
Here is a good link.
https://foundationfortruthinlaw.org/Files/United-States-is-a-corporation.pdf
It appears to me that most accurately the situation is that it is a Trust#2 created in 1871, headquartered in DC operating as a Corporation per Roman Civil Law jurisdiction disguised as the UCC, with this jurisdiction specified by the Trust creator Vatican City/Pope (owner of Air/Spirit jurisdiction) as permitted per Trust Law (and possibly international banking law which may very well be the same thing). And then the Trust#2 gets extended to all the states via the DC Corporations of STATE OF XX CORPORATION which are service corporations sitting on top of the Xx State (Trust#1 union states).
Still unclear if DC is its own foreign-owned Corporation, a separate Trust or included in the Trust. All I know so far is that it is effectively a foreign nation relative to the original Constitution (Trust#1) since it uses Trust#2, 1871.
Once looked up all of boise idahos different entities under the county Ada.
All of them incorporated. Health depth, police dept. Probation and parole. Judicial district etc. Many more. All of them assigned Eins all of the submit tax paper work as municipal entities. I assume it's the same for all government. Who controls those eins?
Good question. They likely all go back to Washington DC with all the STATE HEALTH DEPTS consolidated under a single DC Corp, all STATE POLICE DEPT. consolidated under a single DC Corp, etc. At least if I was an evil bastard that wanted to control everything, that's how I would do it.
I believe it is actually a Trust, not a corporation, but all of the states have been made CORPORATIONS as in STATE OF TENNESSEE vs Tennessee State (union state). All of the STATE OF XX are Washington D.C. Corporations (foreign corporations relative to Tennessee State). They are also Foreign to the united states of America (union) because Washington D.C. is actually a foreign-controlled separate nation established under the 2nd Constitution of the United States of America from 1871 (Trust II). The original Constitution for the united states of America is the union formed in 1788 (Trust I). State service Corps have been placed on top of union states. https://greatawakening.win/p/15JUCbSJWq/a-brief-history-of-united-states/
Things were done at three times with the most obvious stuff done in 1933 on 3-9-33 which appears to be the date of financial reorganization of the United States, and the Act of March 9, 1933 appears to be the authorization to create the state service corporations of STATE OF TENNESSEE, etc. But remember that some entity has to actually create the service corporation and this entity is the STATE BAR OF TENNESSEE CORPORATION (also a DC Corporation). Many of the STATE BAR OF XX CORPORATIONS were created by 1927 as a prelude to the 1933 activity. This is why all the state bars use ".gov" in their website addresses. They exist to makes sure no lawyer challenges this illegal and unconstitutional arrangement. I believe ALL state bars incorporated between 1871 and 1931. 1933 actions appear to have collateralized all the states in order to extend the debt due date to September 11, 2001 from 1931 (+70 years).
The 1933 stuff revised the 1871 stuff so it ends up being layered. It had to happen in 1933 or soon after 1931 because 1931 was the 70 year debt refinance extension from 1861 which itself is 70 years from 1791. The 1871 activities appeared to solidify Washington D.C. as an Article I controlled area (Congress, legislature). The 1933 activities appeared to be Article II actions, making POTUS effectively dictator with the Office of the POTUS being established in 1938 as full Deep State control under neverending National Emergency. 1871 actions appear to have collateralized all Federal Lands.
Unclear to me what happened in 2001. Looks like expansion of Executive-controlled agencies (Article II) to operate completely outside of Constitution of 1788, despite the authority to do so supposedly derived from Article II in combination with Article I "laws". Pretty sure the whole pile of crap is unconstitutional if only our Article III SCOTUS would save us.
Fantastic post. Very thought provoking. I always thought the sauce was weak on that theory/explanation.
Though it was a cool thought process and was the working theory as to how/why the Jan 6'ers are being held in DC 100% unconstitutionally... perhaps that notion could be dispelled by you as well? [Legitimately interested in your legal take on the Jan 6'ers in DC]
No matter what, it is obvious that we need to fundamentally reshape our entire country from the ground up.
Thanks for the awesome post!
DC has its own jurisdiction and can do whatever they want until DC itself or Trust#2, 1871 is dissolved. Jan6 peeps should have stayed in their states and made the Feds get extradition or forcibly arrest them. Their lawyers tricked them into going back into DC where they lose all their rights. All lawyers are Asshoe, and most are controlled by the American Bar Association Corp, also a DC Corporation.
In the meantime, Patriot peeps can file third party lawsuits in Federal District Court or Federal Circuit Court (Article III courts) on behalf of "Xx State" (your State) for $402 to get a Temporary Injunction to terminate all operations of both the STATE OF XX CORPORATION and STATE BAR OF XX CORPORATION on the basis of ArticleIV, Section 4 violation "guarantee a Republican Form of Government", not a Corporate Form of Government. [If Xx is Tennessee, then XX would be TENNESSEE] https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articleiv
You may need to also include the Constitution for the united states of America (CfusA, 1788) and People of Xx State as Plaintiffs (4 total) if you try it with Breach of Contract filing where the contract is between Plaintiff CfusA and Defendant#1 STATE OF XX CORPORATION on behalf of Xx State for the benefit of People of Xx State. Include STATE BAR OF XX CORPORATION as Defendant#2 as they are the entity that illegally setup Defendant#1 per the Act of March 9, 1933 which authorized it.
Not sure about this, exactly. The STATE OF XX are all setup as MUNICIPAL SERVICE CORPORATIONS just like the COUNTY OF XX, AND CITY OF XX, but the Federal Gov't setup in 1871 may be more of a TRUST with DC inside the trust itself? But good point. Unclear if DC is controlling everything inside the Trust or whether DC is also inside the Trust. The fact that the STATES... appear to be incorporated in DC makes me think DC is IN the trust as well.
You're looking at the wrong timeline. We were a free nation after the Revolutionary War. We went bankrupt soon after and from those bankruptcies came the Corporation. Last one being the Civil War.
We didn't immediately start out as a Corporation as you're implying. Our first few Presidents got played economically and owed a lot of money. Andrew Jackson corrected that. But by then the bankers had their grip.
Lincoln was the final straw.
Wasn't there also a Florida court that had the bankruptcy of the Corporate United States filed in it back in '19 or so?
You're misreading the Paris Peace Treaty of 1783. The treaty is between Potent Prince George the Third, who is blah blah blah etc... (here the listing of his titles ends) and of the United States of America, the other party to the treaty.
Thank you for your thoughtful post and writeup. I want to go through this more thoroughly tomorrow.
Our constitution is constantly referred to as "The Constitution of the United States of America" instead of how it refers to itself, "The Constitution for the United States of America". "Of" means subordinate, subject to, etc. This is clearly how it is treated too: arbitrarily ignored, twisted, and stomped on.
That is all I need to know.
The first one you list is Trust#2, 1871. The second one listed is Trust#1, 1788 with 1791 Bill of Rights, enforced in Federal Court (Article III). They are actually two different documents.
SGT Report had a guy on a few weeks ago that went into extreme detail with loads of court cases. The guy’s name is Dr. KL and he sent me a lot of info when I signed up. (I am super busy right now, so I haven’t had a chance to dig into it.). Here’s the podcast: https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-p4ret-12a62b3
I would list all the court cases, but it’s pages and pages.
Part 1 Summary that covers the banker debt refinancing and dates only: https://greatawakening.win/p/15JUCbSJWq/a-brief-history-of-united-states/
I will try to put together 2 more parts ASAP. So much info here. KL is legit and smart. He is state national and keeps his true identity to himself. He uses a corporation and straw man to do commerce.
I do not know enough about this stuff to comment, but Clif High had an interesting video a week or so ago that touches on the subject. If you have the time to give it a watch I would be interested if you think he is full of it or if he is on to something.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/nTuQoDQt23hf/
The corporation is GONE, it NO LONGER EXISTS.
Now is the point where we claim and exercise our rights, or get scammed into another cabal creation.
I find the history of the corporation deceit valuable and fascinating, but IT'S OVER. Isn't it better to focus on the present?
What are your rights?
Where do they come from?
How do you claim and exercise your rights in our republican form of government?
By researching the answers to these questions, the scheme, scam and fraud that WAS the corporation will become apparent.
I agree with you, anything you can share on good places would be great. I’m looking through all the links on here but wow there’s a lot.
It would not surprise me if there is a technicality buried in some law that will be used by the Trump team to clean up this DS mess. Your read might be completely correct, maybe these laws are being incorrectly cited. But somewhere in the labryinth of U.S. Laws and the Constitution the white hats have tools they can use.
I think you should watch this video with Sgt Robert Horton, special forces. He takes you through some of what has happened to our country and touches on this stuff. It's worth the hour plus to get a overview. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eysF9sPaozg
Russle: J- Gould or however your supposed to type his name, has a lot of good info on this. Some say he is a quack, but I firmly believe he is the mastermind behind the Quantum initiative. Our out of control “democracy” they keep crying about. There is more to this theory than we realize. Uphold the constitution? I as a citizen have a duty to do this, but if I try, they will send the FBI guns drawn. I have no hard evidence but I do have discernment and this theory seems more plausible than most of the crap we are hearing.
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This is akin to people saying that all caps on your birth certificate means you're collateral worth billions of dollars.
That is not so. I am a researcher, and I've looked at thousands of old original birth certificates, including my own, in a number of states. They were all entirely handwritten, meaning no all caps anywhere. These people also claim that the certificates have serial numbers, but I 've never seen anything other than a short page number, even on the newest typewritten certificates. Also, none of them looked like stock certificates as portrayed by these people. The birth certificates all were rectangular in portrait mode and were printed by local print shops. Only the certified copies that you get from the county have a background. And those are printed by local print shops as well.
I worked many years at a law firm. All caps didn't exist until typewriters were invented. There was no boldface or underline on typewriters, so the only way to emphasize names in a long document was to type them in all caps. After computers came out we did the same, as the daisy-wheel printers didn't do all caps either. Then we got laser printers that could do boldface, but law firms don't change overnight, so we kept the same procedures in place.
And yes, birth certificates were filled in by hand for many years after typewriters were invented, as doctors didn't own typewriters and wouldn't carry them around in their buggies or cars anyway. I was born in a hospital, and the doctor still filled out my birth certificate by hand.
All this stuff is made up by wingnuts with way too much time on their hands.
Thank you for this. That is where I am coming from. There is a lot of verifiably false stuff circulated as a part of this theory that I did not address. I addressed the two cites I saw. I have not seen one pro theorist cite in here besides the two I already addressed, but in fairness I have to review the longer comments. I think this is a time sink meant to waste resources like time and focus. I think I will try to prove it, if I can.
I spent a lot of time looking into a lot of these related things and never found anything but smoke and mirrors. There are misleading statements, outright lies, and a smidgen of truth to confuse people.
This is a link to a PDF file of the Congressional Record from 1871 that announces the creation of the Corporate entity
https://govtrackus.s3.amazonaws.com/legislink/pdf/stat/16/STATUTE-16-Pg419.pdf
Firstly, it'd be nice if people used the ACTUAL names of the legislative acts, as opposed to this misleading nicknames.
"Organic act" as a term of categorization, simply describes any legislation passed by Congress (and signed into law by POTUS) that establishes new territories under the jurisdiction of the USA and sets up laws for the governance of said territories. Literally all US territories, including those that would eventually become states, were established via "oganic acts." The following Acts referenced by the OP are all indeed "organic acts" but such words are not part of their title:
"Act for establishing the temporary and permanent seat of the Government of the United States" (1790)
"An Act Concerning the District of Columbia" (1801)
"An Act to provide a Government for the District of Columbia." (1871)
Simply put, Congress had the Article 1 Section 8 authority to establish a permanent seat of government for the USA. It did that.
The real constitutional questions that desire closer attention are:
1.) Does the Constitution authorize Congress to create law that DELEGATES away its power (and responsibility) "To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square)..."? I would argue, no, no it does not. Basically, Congress created laws to set up the District as a quasi-state. Over time, amendments and additional laws vested more and more power in the local bodies, but the problem is that the early Congresses seemingly set the whole issue down this path... there should be no legislative body in the District, aside from Congress.
2.) Is retrocession, by Congress, constitutional? An antebellum SCOTUS ruled yes, but that case was clearly biased as the slaver justices wanted VA to get its land back before Congress could ban slavery in the District. The correct answer, is that this is at best an implied power. Land ceded away, cannot be undone. When NC ceded part of its territory to the US to create TN it's gone. Congress isn't explicitly authorized to just give part of TN back to NC. When SC ceded the territory that became Fort Sumter, they couldn't just reclaim it under their [bullshit] argument that the state was no longer part of the USA... Lost Cause propaganda, SC never ceased being part of the USA, but rather devolved into a state of rebellion, but I digress... VA never should have gotten their ceded land back. MD shouldn't either, at least not via federal statute. HOWEVER, an amendment to the Constitution could certainly do the trick...
That all said, in the modern world, the District no longer functions as originally intended. All should agree that something needs to change, a true draining of the swamp.
A prudent solution would be an amendment to the Constitution to return the ceded territory back to the MD and VA, to be governed within their state jurisdiction as these cities/counties originally were.
Let the federal government retain possession of the monuments and federal buildings in current DC (white house, capitol, supreme court, etc), and the land they sit on, and preserve them as museums for educational purposes.
Congress could then establish a new "Seat of the Government of the United States." I'd recommend somewhere more centrally located, and quite literally in the middle nowhere to discourage swamp creatures from making it their permanent domicile.
I totally agree with this, a lot of emphasis is put on typos and historic writing techniques without looking at them in the bigger picture.
Just like on the surface we blm means a simple thing but then BLM is at the same time another thing. This is how evil deceives and we need those as you to show the truth and separate the evil from the good. Expose it. Evil will call you many things but usually evil is calling you the truth if you understand. Courage is needed and we all have different talents.