US Supreme Court in Trump ruling declares ex-presidents have immunity for official acts
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This ruling should blow up the Georgia Fanni Willis case too. During the call with Raffensberger and his staff, President Trump Made it a point to say something to the effect, I am the chief law enforcement officer of the country. So he was making it clear the call and his actions were part of his official duties.
"This ruling should blow up the Georgia Fanni Willis case too."
Yeah. But you can be sure that Fatti and her cronies will stop at nothing to find some pretext for dragging it out as long as possible.
I think they will try... I can't wait too see the. Dragged off in cuffs kicking and screaming
Leg cuff and gag, that oughtta stop the 2nd act.
Do they make whale sized leg cuffs?
Perfect call.
By the book!!
Does the ruling apply to both Federal and State charges, or just Federal? I would assume both, otherwise the same situation would apply, they would just go after him in State court.
State level laws must comply with the Constitution and cannot interfere with the Federal Government exercising its Constitutional powers.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/supremacy_clause
"The court ruled that former presidents are shielded from prosecution for actions they take within their constitutional authority, as opposed to a private capacity. The ruling marked the first time since the nation's 18th century founding that the Supreme Court has declared that former presidents may be shielded from criminal charges in any instance."
I’m pretty sure that protecting citizens against domestic as well as foreign enemies falls within that scope. I believe Trump has all the evidence of the cheat from 2020; he was in a SCIF at the White House most of the evening on election night. Democrats were pissed about him staying at the White House and then they went silent.
Agreed. And now it cannot be undone. It was “by the book” and therefore OFFICIAL.
It actually doesn't matter. What it means is that if you think Trump broke the law while acting in an official capacity, you have to sue "The US Government", and not "Donald J Trump."
u/#correct
When “since the nation’s 18th century founding” has a former President been criminally charged? (rhetorical question)
https://time.com/6264880/president-arrested-indicted-history-trump/?
MSM is setting its hair on fire on every network LOL!!!!!!
The shills and bots on pReddit are losing their minds too. It's beautiful. 🤣
Thanks for this!
At the instant I saw it, I was literally thinking "I need to see if the left is having a salt meltdown right about now, because if they are, this is a giant win for Trump." :)
Big wins like this , I gotta admit, I'll turn on CNN or MSNBC just for the enjoyment in their meltdowns. It's very entertaining
BOOM Bitches! Happy 4th Frens!
Let's call it what it is -- HAPPY INDEPENDENCE DAY!!!
Of course a party line vote.
A lot of ways to interpret this ruling from a broader strategic perspective.
Here's the link to the official ruling: https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/23pdf/23-939_e2pg.pdf
Some analysis from Jonathan Turley on X(https://x.com/JonathanTurley/status/1807785241588744694):
No protection for unofficial acts. So the issue is whether what constitutes official acts. It is a very for Trump in the sense that the Court rejected the lower court and recognizes some immunity. That will further delay the lower court proceedings, but Trump will have to argue that his actions fall within these navigational beacons. The lower court judge has been highly favorable for Jack Smith in the past. Yet the court is arguing that there is a presumption of immunity for their official acts beyond the absolute immunity on core constitutional powers.
Note this language: Whenever the President and Vice President discuss their official responsibilities, they engage in official conduct. Presiding over the January 6 certification proceeding at which Members of Congress count the electoral votes is a constitutional and statutory duty of the Vice President. Art. II, §1, cl. 3; Amdt. 12; 3 U. S. C. §15. The indictment’s allegations that Trump attempted to pressure the Vice President to take particular acts in connection with his role at the certification proceeding thus involve official conduct, and Trump is at least presumptively immune from prosecution for such conduct.
The question then becomes whether that presumption of immunity is rebutted under the circumstances. When the Vice President presides over the January 6 certification proceeding, he does so in his capacity as President of the Senate. "
Moves and countermoves. We all saw how this could play out if SCOTUS ruled against President Trump and the vulnerabilities it would create for criminal Presidents like Biden, Obama and Bush. But there is some nuance to this ruling as well. Still reading the full opinion.
So, the complete out right fraud from all prior presidents including Biden is still on the table. Obama wasn’t even technically allowed to be president due to him not being born in the United States. The Bush crime family. I’ll throw Cheney in there too because he was more in charge than dumb dumb George. The Clinton’s... pretty sure Arkansas alone would put them in jail for the rest of eternity.
This is gonna get good! 🍿
Hom0bama may have been born in Hawaii which would make him a citizen, BUT he can NOT be a NATURAL BORN citizen since BOTH of his CIA lab-grown parents were not US citizens at the time he was born.
Piglosi purposely had the Certification of Nomination changed to exclude the text regarding meeting the Constitutional requirements.
Except he was definitively born in Kenya
Saying there's no proof of it at this point is like saying there's no proof of widespread coordinated election fraud in 2020
Ahhh, thanks for this!
Note prosecution for both civil fraud (including RICO) and criminal fraud still appear to be on the table even if we can’t get an 18 USC 2384 charge against each of them. Note statutory penalty for civil fraud is 3x compensatory and 200x punitive for actual damages. This might be a good start.
I was thinking moe along the lines of Obama paying the Iranians cash money without congressional approval.
I can’t believe I forgot about that! Plus, his meddling in the Ukraine way back when...
GW paying the Saudis for their role in 9/11.
The way I see it, as commander in chief of the USA with a sworn duty to defend our constitution, and all enemies foreign and domestic, president Trump could have (imo should have) given his subordinate Mike Pence a direct order to uphold the constitution, and not certify the election.
The notion that anything Trump did or said to encourage Mike Pence to obey the constitution as being somehow illegal, is an absurdity promoted by leftist's, and political enemies of Trump.
You're correct.
However, to think that the Constitution will have bearing on this is an iffy proposition.
Trump also had a DUTY to take official actions against foreign agents and organized crime, so his devolution and COG actions are safe, even if made public. And they likely cannot be undone, except by Trump. Devolution is an OFFICIAL act.
Good info thanks
Thanks for the sauce and info. Wish I could pin this comment.
They remanded the case back to the District Court, with the benefit of briefing, to determine whether Trump's conduct constituted official or unofficial acts.
Judge Chutkan originally ruled unilaterally that Trump didn't have immunity without even having a hearing. The DC Appeals Court concurred in less than a month.
Now Chutkan has to hold a hearing with both sides submitting briefs. This is something that would normally take months, but will probably be expedited again. When she rules against Trump again, he can appeal and eventually the clock will run out. The election is in 134 days.
And the libs go reee, reee, reee all the way home… They are losing their shit.
Will this impact the lawfare against Trump’s lawyers and people like Gulliani as well?
Lol, Sotomayor's dissent includes numerous citations of things she heard on podcasts.
The majority opinion on pages 37-41 ridicules the dissenters for hyperventilating and making shit up without any legal basis.
When the libshits try to say "but Trump's acts NoT oFfiCiAL" hit them with the (1min.) video fact of Pence admitting that not certifying the election is in fact an official, and legal process.
https://x.com/JackPosobiec/status/1688640553808801792?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1688640553808801792%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=
https://x.com/JackPosobiec/status/1688640553808801792/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1688640553808801792¤tTweetUser=JackPosobiec
Pence absolutely named the legal process. Thanks for posting.
Now do the Brunsons. That'd throw almost all of congress to Gitmo after declaring 2020 election was stolen, also including with 3 corrupt democratic judges.
It could be coming. Chevron decision peeled back usurpation of Article III powers by Article II and now SCOTUS can put a smackdown of Congress’ (Article I) usurpation of Article III via 6-11-1946 Admin Procedures Act rollback which would trash Legislatively imposed Fed Rules Civil Procedure and allow them to remove all of Congress in one fell swoop.
Return to 1912 Common Law rules is needed to impose liquidation of state corporate franchises for violation of Article IV, Section 4 via corporate state gov’t.
Leftist are crying and gnashing their teeth in salty fury!!
And THAT'S the ultimate litmus test that this was/is likely a good thing for Trump...at least right now.
I'm pretty sure, that I'm pretty sure, Democrats (to a large extent)could care less what's legal or not legal. They don't care what God has to say, why would the Supreme Court be any different to them?
More popcorn 😁🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿! I'm really enjoying this part of the show. This is getting really good.
this is a big deal tho. it's the nasty, underhanded shit previous pResidents have done under the table, and not necessarily their " official acts " we care about most.
Not sure if this is supposed to be "good news". They put the caveat that it doesn't apply to "private acts" whatever that means.
This is actually great news. It leaves door open to prosecute former presidents for the stuff they did, that I am sure does not fall under "official capacity", while also giving future presidents the authority to execute their office without worrying about any prosecutor trying to coerce them with BS.
And thanks to Nancy's shenanigans, it's now precedent to be able to impeach former Presidents after they leave office.
I would say when Big Mike and his husband sodomized children in the White House, that would not be an official act.
Think moving pallets of money to Iran/Syria under a Super top secret classification to be hidden from Congress would be considered as unofficial???
Probably was “unofficial”.
no
Any prosecution over actions during the President's term should be predicated by impeachment in the House and conviction in the Senate, IMHO. That's when the Constitution stipulates prosecution can happen.
The 'rats could have taken this course and then there would have been no need for the SC to get involved. They took the lazy way out and it came back to bite them.
Trump’s devolution and COG maneuvers appear to be unquestionably “official” and safe from rollback now. Deep State cannot undo Trump’s PEADS with this ruling. If immunity was removed Deep State would have tried to ‘vacate’ all actions of his Presidency based on false “foreign agent” claims. Former President prosecution path is tighter, but still open.
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Happy Independence Day! 🍻
Where does that leave us for previous President prosecution?
/u/catsfive you had opinions on this.
Is treason an exception? Who gets to decide that the current President is committing treason?
Can it even be the military if the President is CIC of the military?
Constitution specifies that treason must be tried under Article III, presumably Federal District Court, supervised by SCOTUS. Any state AG with jurisdiction and standing may be able to indict/charge. Seems unlikely DOJ would do it.
Thank you - this is a great dig
Note that precedent already set for “Impeachment of a former President” per Pelosi & Company impeachment of Trump over January 6 “Incitement”.
09FEB2021; “Article Of Impeachment Cites Trump's 'Incitement' Of Capitol Insurrection”: https://www.npr.org/sections/trump-impeachment-effort-live-updates/2021/01/11/955631105/impeachment-resolution-cites-trumps-incitement-of-capitol-insurrection
SCOTUS ruling indicates that Biden, Obama, Bush, and Clinton may be impeached and found guilty via Senate trial for official acts, and THEN prosecuted criminally (treason charges?). Anything proven to be “unofficial act” is fair game at anytime, and they likely are caught here as many things were done “off the books” and therefore UNOFFICIAL (such as selling weapons and secrets to our enemies). TREASON and UNOFFICIAL, both, imo, but lower court will define “unofficial” which might be very spicy.
The way the left will try and use this beguile anything they do for now on this claim it was an official act. To those on the right most of this is common sense stuff even before the Supreme Court had to make common sense viable.
The leftist brain is very fascinating on how they will manipulate definitions to fit their wants.
Biden will tell the doj to arrest Trump and he will claim it is an official act and therefore he will get immunity and this immunity will follow down the ranks to those who do the acts of the president.
In the USA we need to somehow create a better turn around on unconstitutional acts. Speedy trial has turned into decades and that needs to stop in a very bad way. They do the damage and it takes a decade to recover from the damage they done.
Evil will never rest while good needs to also never rest it becomes complacent and evil is never complacent.
“Presumptive Immunity”…SCOTUS JUST MADE IT GREAT AGAIN 👍 Presidents “need to have room to act” ie: “Presumption Of Innocence”
… SAID ANOTHER WAY: It is up to PROSECUTORS TO DEMONSTRATE that something is CLEARLY NOT AN OFFICIAL ACT of the President (HIGH STANDARD to prove, almost impossible to do))
…ALSO… Prosecutors (Jack Smith, etc.) CAN’T USE “INTENT” to argue their case (against #45) … SOOOOO Jack Smith’s CASES got “shellacked” BIGLY … 6-3 Majority by SCOTUS makes most all the #Lawfare against #45 DEAD IN THE WATER!
… GOD BLESS AMERICA 🇺🇸 and God Bless PRESIDENT TRUMP 👍
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/23pdf/23-939_e2pg.pdf
Trump needed immunity for what is to come next. He is the current POTUS and this ruling allows him to start to finish the game by exposing devolution.
Can't touch this
So this will NOT protect the Traitors. Those that did that (Clinton, Obama, Bush, Biden) are NOT immune from Military Trials.
Meathead and the rest of his Pedowood cohorts haven't gotten over the debate yet. THIS is going to send them further over the edge. Oh joy!!
Coming soon from the hags at " The Spew"....."HE'S COMING TO GET US!!" LOL
What a great day for democracy
*Our Republic
FIFY
Of course
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It's the unofficial illegal acts that will send your ass to prison or the gallows. KEK
So tell me:
Is trying to start WWIII official or unofficial?
Is creating a pandemic and killing millions to steal and election official or unofficial?
Does killing anyone that finds dirt and threatens to expose you fall under official or unofficial?
I don't think any of those fit into the Presidential or national politician duties category, and there are many more examples.
Actually, when all Federal branches of government are compromised, it isn't up to government to decide who committed treason. It is 100% the Peoples call. otherwise, the Declaration of Independence means nothing.
All government power comes from a single source, and is enacted through a contract, called the Constitution. If government violates it, that act is null and void. We do not need SCOTUS to tell us what is legal or not. We have the capacity to do that for ourselves, and, as masters over government, have every right to do so.
Huge win! Was pretty much expected though.... So far July has been hot as promised! Cant wait till the 4rh.
https://old.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1dsupsh/megathread_us_supreme_court_finds_in_trump_v/
Holy fuck these are disgusting, vile little pieces of shit.
These are the faggots calling you a fascist
Presidents “need to have room to act” ie: “Presumption Of Innocence”
… SAID ANOTHER WAY: It is up to PROSECUTORS TO DEMONSTRATE that something is CLEARLY NOT AN OFFICIAL ACT of the President (HIGH STANDARD to prove)
I'm surprised I haven't heard more REEEE ING yet.
but but but, I thought this drama was really to set the precedent to put Husien & weak Willy away