See also - with very few exceptions, by design, because these institutions recruit for submissiveness, uncritical thinkers and compliance - the military, medics, teachers.
I think knowing the full story makes it even more heartbreaking. The father has said that his son is autistic, which is why he keeps flashing his flashlight, to calm himself down. Also the father and his son dressed up as police officers for Halloween for the past two years, as his son wanted to be one growing up.
The part where the officer tries to comfort the kid, then when the kid backs away, the officer mumbles “keep crying then”.
If you have concerns about someone walking with a child in the dark, gauge the child first. Strike up conversation, ask questions, watch the child's reaction.
First, the cops are wrong in how they approached and handled this. No doubt. They deserve to be fired.
Second... people... we know that some cops are assholes. So if you want to avoid being treated liked this, just answer their questions and stop spewing "my rights".
For all you whiners who want to say I'm full of shit, you need to understand the context. Those cops were taking him down the moment they pulled up. To poke them (as in poking the bear) is just plain stupid. If you know you haven't done anything wrong, and if you want to avoid this kind of bullshit, just be compliant. FFS, big brother has all your info anyway, so getting all uppity and causing the cops to have to save face is stupid, especially in front of your child. I mean why not just say, "My name is XYZ, I live about 8 blocks from here at 123 Street. I've lived there about 4 years. We walk in the morning because we enjoy walks before it gets too hot. Do you need us to ride in your car to my house so I can get my ID?"
Remember--asshole cops have their mind made up already, and they have to save face because they're infantile.
That being said, this video will have those cops on leave, if not fired, as they should be. They would have been fired or at least held accountable even if this Dad simply complied.
I am sure when he said "Comply away, that will surely make things better." he was being sarcastic.
Unfortunately I get you. The stupidity plague is so massive, one can't help it but to take things literally or at the very least, ask for clarification.
The "things" you refer to have nothing to do with this incident, in the sense that the Father was not going to change anything. The only thing he could do is lose and traumatize his child.
Tell me... is the lawsuit and money (that would have come anyway) going to make things better for this child's traumatic moment? This scar is going to be for half the rest of his life, at least.
But complying is a wimpy way out, I suppose in your mind? Right. Sometimes you have to pick your battles, and picking a losing fight in front of your child is NOT the moment.
I should add... there is a place for defiance. I just don't think it was the right moment in front of his 5 year old son with no one else to take the son so now the dad is risking the son having to be watched over by the popo that just took his father.
I happen to agree with you. Here's the thing. I'm a father. I like doing things with my sons. But I'm also aware of the assumptions people have about men by themselves, and men with children. What if that guy hadn't been that boy's father? In the father's mind, it may have been a sweet thing he does to bond with his son--go on walks early in the morning before work. If I did that though, before the sun came up, I think I'd understand if a cop stopped me just to make sure my boy was ok. Had that not been his son, we'd be looking at this video a lot differently. We'd all be talking about how the cops had been guided there by God to save him from a predator and how grateful we all were that he had followed that feeling he had. The father HADN'T done anything wrong, no. And that WAS his son. And my guess is, when that other cop came back and saw how terrified the boy was of him, he knew he'd messed up. And all of that could have been avoided by the father stepping inside the shoes of those cops and seen things from their perspective. It did look a little weird. A little more explanation and cooperation would have resolved the matter easily. And from there on out, they couol have continued those walks and if those cops ever saw them again they'd know what there were seeing and would likely have warm feelings about what they were seeing. Ok, the cops were wrong. But the dad lacked situational awareness and that was really the result any of us should have expected in that situation if we had reacted that defensively. I hate to say it, and it's hard to say right after watching that poor boy cry like that, but if the cops suspicions had been right, they'd look like god-sensitive heroes to us. Ok they were wrong. But I can't blame them for being concerned and if the dad hadn't been so defensive I fully believe it wouldn't have gone down like that.
I totally agree with you. I'm a father, too. I am glad those cops stopped to talk. It should not have gone down that way. It didn't have to. Neither side handled it well.
If we expect cops to do an impossible job, there's a little bit of give and take on our part to get through the situation normally without a take-down.
But because I think that, I'm a communist, haha (the other guy's comment).
People in Nazi Germany complied to getting on those trains.---Give me liberty or give me death. I will not comply unless I want to where in cases like this. Is it a good idea to comply with vax mandates?
LOL! You're dropping degrees, now? And you think I work for a PD?
Dude, look at my history of comments. I am not an officer of any sort. I am just capable of looking at a bigger context. I ask you... what would you have done if you were that Dad? Please answer. I am waiting. Pretend that was your son. Pretend you are the Dad. How do you answer the questions? What do you do? Let's hear your Masters-trained response.
Your advice to Americans is, in summary, leave ALL of your God Given Rights at home, Bend the Knee, and lick the Jack Boots when the come and push up on you....
How about YOU just fuck right the fuck off all the way to China where those are the actual Basic Rules for mere Survival....
You're a dipshit. Try understanding the concept of context. So this Dad loses his cool and now what... his son is abandoned and with those cops. Choose your battles wisely. And don't jump to conclusions about me... you're the asswipe, not me.
Explain how I was promoting the loss of rights. And, explain how this moment in time that the child was not the priority. Get off your high horse. Learn what startegic thinking is all about. Re-read my comment and learn, you pissant.
And... tell me your a simpleton without telling me you're a simpleton.
You have yourself wrapped in the American flag as you type, but in reality you cannot navigate the reality presented in that video. Tell me... what would you have done if you were that dad, and that was your son. Tell me... I'm waiting.
The truth is, you can't imagine it because you're so full of your own crusade that you didn't comprehend a single thing I explained. Instead, you picked out the quotes that trigger you because, again, you're a simple-minded person, and you start making dumb assumptions. I am not a cop by any stretch. But I know how to navigate a situation like the one in the video.
My guess is that you probably would have gotten tazed, or worse. And your son? Probably taken to the station, and placed in a room waiting for a few hours until the social worker showed up when they start at 9am, traumatized, crying, scarred for life, etc.
And then... you'd have no case to actually pursue justice and put those asshole cops in their place (get them fired) and receive compensation because you would have been confrontational. And you probably wouldn't have the money to hire the right attorneys to bring the case outside the internal review process. That's you. Mr. American Rights every moment of every day no matter what, because 'Merica!!
But... I'll wait... maybe I'm misjudging you. Tell me... how would have handled that situation differently. BECAUSE I'M TALKING ABOUT THAT SITUATION. Go ahead... start typing.
Stop and Search is Unconstitutional, in most States....
The only thing I would have changed is that I would have been asking them to tell me Exactly what CRIME they suspected me of having Committed, otherwise, they have No Fucking Excuse for Molesting and Abusing that man an his Son....
IF they can't name a specific CRIME, then there is No Crime, and he should be free to go, if they cannot name a specific crime that has been reported in the area, then he should be free to go....
And you sit there pretending to know law???
Please get OFF the Police Force you Jack Boot, YOU are part of the problem, not the solution....
"I don't know" was his answer to what is is your name and address. Yes, he lost his cool. He watched too many people like you put out videos about how to stand up for your rights at the wrong time and escalate a situation. Good job on you.
You're getting ripped to shreds for this intelligent comment. Sorry about that.
There is such a thing as context, you are 100% correct and many of my fellow pedes are being triggered instead of thinking clearly.
If it had been me, I would have provided my name and address and offered to allow them to escort me to retrieve it. Would I be kneeling or giving up any rights in doing so? Would I be empowering those pigs? I can tell you what I would not be doing... I would not be traumatizing my kid over something so stupid.
I abhor what happened, but pops could have LIKELY avoided the escalation by changing his candor and approach slightly.
"What's your name and date of birth?"
"I don't know..."
Pig cops think you are sus, so you respond be behaving more sus? That's not going to end very well.
I agree he should have complied TO A POINT, in doing so this would have likely been avoided.
Thanks for thecomment. I am actually pretty amazed at the infantile level of thinking from many. But it's fun responding to them.
And, yes, to a point. When all cops have video, it's pretty easy to go back and sue the hell out of them. The moment you give any reason for investigators to conclude that you were resisting, then you strip yourself of any possibility of exacting real justice. Play their game in the moment (in this moment, with the child present) and fight another day.
Just explain how standing up for his rights at that moment worked out well? And, can you not think of a different way and time he could have followed up and broguht a can of legal whoopass on those guys (and spare his son the trauma)?
Well, you are right about that. It didn't work out well, but not at the fault of the man with the kid. He was accosted by 2 police officers who by all accounts were looking for someone to violate. They even said so in the video. "No you aren't doing anything wrong, but..." This is the entire point. The second that man stood to defend his kid and his rights those cops lost their cool and decided they were going to be obeyed. Period. This is the problem. Cops should know, and I argue they do know, but are trained not to accept or recognize a citizens rights. This is why they become combative way before the civilian.
I don't want to argue with you and I see your point. I am of the belief that if we don't stand for our rights we don't have any, because that is exactly how they will treat us. In fact this video and thousands of others are instructions for the population.
Maybe it takes 10 years of people getting abused and violated until we get these bad cops out of office. File lawsuits every time. Get the community involved. This has to stop!
I agree with everything you wrote above. Everything.
My only point (which I didn't make very well) is that all people would do well to have better situational awareness (especially this dad who risked being separated from his child) and know when to stand up for our rights in the moment, and when to stand up for our rights in a later moment.
You can probably count the number of people in Watonga, Oklahoma that have enough money to retain a lawyer with your fingers. This man is not one of them. Hell, I'm definitely not one of them, and I have a much better paying job than one could find in Watonga.....
It was particularly idiotic to say that since it was obvious that was not the reason they stopped the father in the first place.
But most cops are do not seem smart enough to properly explain their motives in a polite respectful manner.
He should had said. "Look, I understand that this may be a normal thing you do, But all I can assert as fact right now is an adult and a child walking together at a rather unlikely time and I suspect human trafficking. I understand I could be wrong and so, I ask you to cooperate with me while we gather the facts."
Even if the father were to say that's not right or whatever. The cop has at the point clearly articulated his motive and intentions in a professional and respectful manner.
Assuming of course he even had two braincells to rub together here... it seem that the two cops were actually only sharing a unique braincell among the two of them...
He should had said. "Look, I understand that this may be a normal thing you do, But all I can assert as fact right now is an adult and a child walking together at a rather unlikely time and I suspect human trafficking. I understand I could be wrong and so, I ask you to cooperate with me while we gather the facts."
Even if the father were to say that's not right or whatever. The cop has at the point clearly articulated his motive and intentions in a professional and respectful manner.
Fren I wish I could updoot this 1,000 times over. Thank you.
The suspected crime was obviously human trafficking. The Cop should had, while being ready for any extreme action, clearly expressed the crime suspected and proceed to clearly and politely ask the father to prove he is indeed who he claims he is. At said point they should accompany them both to their home where the father can then procure his ID, or better yet have the mother fetch it for him. It is a potentially dangerous situation for the cop. But facing danger for the sake of the people is what they are supposed to do.
5:30 am may be his usual time to take a walk with your son, But that is not a common practice and one can clearly suspect the child to be in danger after seeing this. How many more parents do you see around walking with their kids at that time?
So the problem is that the first officer failed to properly communicate with the father. More than likely due to poor ass training and never being actually taught the laws they are supposed to enforce or how to even properly do it to begin with.
And the second guy was just the usual police asshole. Who lacks understanding and is likely on a power trip. Easy pitfall when you are used to dealing with criminals. But not every one is a criminal and the police often forgets this.
Actually, You would be surprised. Grooming is complex in many way. The victim can be a "willing" participant. Or simply fooled into what they should not do. In fact, the "Coyotes" often tell the children they traffic that if they (the kids) are caught by American police they (the kids) will be thrown in jail. And kids being kids, believe them. Also in cases of American criminals they often convince they minors they predate on that they (the kids) are willing participants and would "get in trouble" if caught.
Years ago, I had the misfortune of learning of a child prostitution ring in West Palm Beach, Florida... What the children involved had to say was often extremely disturbing and mind boggling. I learned then that common sense cannot apply to these types of situations.
The thing with children is that they simply do not know better. And can be manipulated easily. So obvious restrains are often not actually needed.
And this is merely one example of the plethora of different possibilities, circumstance and specifics that can take place.
Of course the education a child has received or not is a factor that influences this matter, But in the instance you spot a child with an adult at a rather unlikely time you really should not assume that nothing wrong.
I am by no means justifying the cops either. I already posted the hows and whys of their wrongdoings. The police were clearly at fault here. But not in the way expressed before.
To properly combat a problem, one must understand the problem fully. We must arm ourselves with accurate information in order to have a shot at fixing things.
The precursor to everything that went wrong was the first officer failing hardcore at communication... and well, the second officer was just an asshole so... yeah...
Look at this. People downvoting a perfectly reasoned response, the same people who get all upset about human trafficking any other time on this board because they lack critical thinking skills and yet will call other people sheep.
I don't know about "not common practice", getting your kid accustomed to exercise at an early age will pay dividends in their future lives, and plenty of people have similar routines.
But you're right, there obviously is a suspected crime. But it's not like the kid has a way to identify himself, so IDing him on its own would not really accomplish a lot.
Correct. The point is the officers frankly sucked at proper communication.
I agree, plenty of people do, but for example, here in my city (yeah I know...) you would never see something like that. It would be extremely rare and odd.
By your logic, if I were to do the same as the father I would be suspicious?
1.- I am a naturalized American. I have a hell of an accent. Does having an accent makes me not American? Also, for your information, Americans like everyone else too commit crimes. So you are not above suspicion. (This is one of the reasons the left finds it so easy to call you a racist. Because people like you are actually racist and probably do not even notice it.)
2.-The Crime the father is suspected of is obviously human trafficking. 5:30 am is not an common time for a father and son walk. How many other parents do you see walking with their kids at that time?
3.- As stated human trafficking is not always straight forward but the assumption of obvious equipment is just wrong.
While these cops did failed at their job in a rather spectacular manner. You would had done no better than them.
In reply to @Datasinc I clearly explained how the cops failed at their duties. Please read it and be better informed.
I urge you to think things clearly before mindlessly posting here. The standard for us is way higher than it should be for the average person. Do better.
I told you about my post since you had already posted and I did not wanted to write the same thing all over again and clutter the thread. Since @Datasinc had also replied to the same post from you I thought it would be easy for you to find the post I was talking about. I apologize. In hind sight, it may had been better to type it all out again to avoid misunderstandings.
Yes, you did use your intuition and fell a bit short. And in the spirit of debate, I pointed at the flaws I saw with the argument you proposed. Please, do not take offense to this. I've fallen short many times in my life. It took people willing to talk to me help me expand my thoughts.
Am I saying I am superior to you? Hell no. I merely pointed at some mistakes on your logic this one time and tried to explain as politely as I could why so. If you were to observe me long enough, you would get plenty of chances to help me out.
So no. I am not trying to be condescending to you in any way. If anything, I merely wanted to engage in a conversation with you. That was all.
As you probably guessed by now, English is not my first language, so I apologize if I unwittingly sounded like some asshole. After all, the fact that you are in this forum with the rest of us, means that you love this nation and the people in general.
But assuming an individual actions are suspicious or not based on statics is a clear mistake, since of course, just asserting the he is American does not in fact make it so that he is not capable of committing a crime.
Surely you understand where I am coming from with this. The part that ignored this fact is where the "racism" comes in.
Of course, we are not leftist lunatics here. And there are plenty of times when I overlooked important facts as brain fart or out of my own stupidity.
As I am sure you know. We are in a war. I personally believe in using every tool at out disposal to win. So I implore you to try and be as mindful as you can when speaking and writing. I want you to be a powerful as you can possible be as our fellow fighter for the good of this nation and mankind.
As long as good cops stand by and do nothing, this abuse will continue. THAT is what destroys trust in departments and with the public. Some people should NOT be in that field.
My uncle was a cop.... he was bad. He enjoyed hurting people with his leather covered lead billy-stick.
He enjoyed lording over others with his authority. The other men in his department "put up with it" Why? IDK. But finally, the men were tired of the chaos he caused, it was a small town, and his behavior was not what the rest of us believed in. It took a long time, but eventually he was fired, never to work in law enforcement again. One bad man brought so much harm to people who just wanted to be left alone.
Very few showed up for his funeral. Sad.
Stand up when you see wrong being done and treat others how you want to be treated. You can clearly see the cops had their agenda as soon as they stopped this man. What did he think a minor child was doing at 6am with an adult? But that is just the point isn't it? What is going thru the mind of these cops? This interaction was wrong on so many levels. Police Departments MUST do better with who they hire and how they train.
"show me your ID" is literally the same as, "papers please". When will cops learn to respect the 4th amendment and when people say no to that request. They get so butt hurt every time someone exercises their rights.
Because they are Low IQ Hires, that should NEVER be allowed to be Cops, it comes from one of Two Places, Either they were Picked on by Bullies in school, and are now getting revenge, or they were Bullies in School and re now on a Power Trip....
The bullies theory is a stupid assessment. This behavior comes purely from piss poor training and lack of proper supervision holding high standards. I've seen 6 foot 5 athletes who were never picked on a day in their lives become cops that had poor training and supervision become assholes like these two cops were. It's a systemic problem in a department when it gets this bad. It come primarily from a them and us mentality that now citizens feed into exacerbating the problem. It's also about 10 percent of rhe cops who are screwed up. Here in the Gaw of all places people should recognize the manipulation most of you have fallen for by reading the comments it appears some of youbare adding to the fire.
Well, that was out of line. Still, I would wonder why an adult is walking around with a child all alone at 5:30 am. I would be conversational, ask questions, find out who they are and ask where they live. When the father said "We do this", the cop said no, you don't. Is it because they never saw these two there before?
Yes it could easily have been communicated and sorted out to the satisfaction of both parties. Had to do stuff that way myself. I'd take my time Soni could sleep k owing I didn't ignore a potential.problem or cause one. Most peiple if explained properly were appreciative of such efforts and once you met them you never had tondo more than wave at them next time you saw them. These guys are not suited for the job.
Yeah. Fuck the police. And this is the very reason as to why.
Did you not see the police all over the States enforcing the lockdowns? What could possibly posses some of you guys to think these imbeciles are in your side?
Not one cop iin las vegas enforced a lock down while i was there. I didn't see it either. You saw a few idiots do it. Same 10 percent that do what these guys did.
Good luck going against the casinos and their profits in Las Vegas. I think the one who had a somewhat distorted experience was you.
For example, even here in Florida; Miami, Orlando, Tampa, Jacksonville, any and all major population center had the mandates enforced for over 6 months. And the whole police departments played along.
These police department number in the thousands of officers by the way. So no. It was not some mere 10%. In fact more likely it was 10% of police who resisted the mandates if at all.
Shameful. Without reasonable articulable suspicion of a crime being committed they have no right to detain this man and demand ID under threat of arrest. That is a Constitutional violation and is illegal. The most they had based on the video was a consensual encounter and they fucked it up.
They should be forced to read the laws they try to enforce and the constitution they pledge to uphold.
Add to that all of the relevant court ruling in these matters.
And tested maybe every 6 months on it.
Instead of pepper spray the recruits to establish that getting pepper sprayed does in fact suck... They do that like once per month in the College of police by the way.
Why did you repost this here? We are having civil unrest all over the world and you post a video of a guy asserting his rights in a foolish way and getting abused by a foolish cop for doing it. Are you trying to breed foolishness and strife?
He could have negotiated the situation better. Did he not think that he appeared at all suspicious? If he didn't maybe he's got the low I.Q.
If a rabid dog came around the corner while he's walking with his son he most likely would have recognized the danger. If this guy really thought being standoffsish to two idiots was going to work out for him he's also an idiot.
I've been wronged by similar idiots but never made it go full retard like this. He played it foolishly.
This video doesn’t make sense. It feels fake and designed to manipulate. Like that video where the white cops pull their guns on a black serviceman at a gas station
When you figure out that it’s 100% real (just like the other one you mentioned), will you stop putting cops on a pedestal? Will you finally realize that the vast majority of cops are really, really ignorant of the Constitution and don’t give two shits about your rights?
There are around 3 million interactions per year with the cops. Cops being human, some are bound to be assholes.
With that said, This serves as no justification. They should be held at a higher standard. Because their actions can impact innocent people if they are careless.
I find it that most cop lack training and have no idea of what the "law" actually says. Let alone the constitution they swore to uphold. I am willing to bet most cops have never even read the constitution. And I know for sure they do not know any of the laws they enforce, or even care really. They mostly just do as they are told.
Yeah, I am well aware. The guy negotiated it poorly. I got pulled over coming home from my pastor's house after midnight with my son once. Cop was suspicious but I respectfully interacted with him and it ended well. I've interacted with a few over the years. I've been wronged too, never ending like this though, because being stupid does hurt and this dad didn't help himself or the two thugs.
Standing up for your rights is not being disrespectful. That is exactly the mindset that has destroyed American policing.
If your impression of the situation is “yeah, but he could have just complied and been left alone”, then you are literally a part of the problem.
The minutemen in Lexington and Concord could also have just complied with the British police coming to confiscate their rifles and been left alone.
Armed agents of the government with the ability to remove your freedom walking up to you and demanding your papers is not liberty, is not freedom, and IS NOT AMERICAN.
Thinking about the behavior of UK police in the sticky u/brain_dead had with a video log of the UK rioting. Weren't they claiming the rioters WERE ACTUALLY extremist racists, and most of them white?
So in that instance it was an anti-Muslim response generated by extremist white racist people (organized or no, but LIKELY right wing according to the UK media and you were backing up that position) who were doing the most egregious damage and causing harm and chaos.
Then there were groups of what seemed to be counter protesters, opposition made up apparently of folks with higher melanin, donning facial coverings and engaging with the original group. (And by now we can just abbreviate by calling them Nazi punks eh? Cuz the media said that's who they were... and most importantly, though it was lost on many, WHY they were out demonstrating)
And if I'm incorrect anywhere just say so, but did we not view footage in that video log where the UK police seemed to be actively engaging with Nazi punks while elsewhere they were allowing the brave counter protesters to walk on by even as they donned weaponry?
I am pursuing this because I think it leads to a major truth underneath: we now assign ourselves to a DIFFERENT MORAL CODE than ever before in the United States of America. Starting from a long period of indoctrination, miseducation in schools, trampling of religious doctrine, deception by an ever more false, jingoist media subsumed with propaganda and many other spheres of American life invaded, we have been turned to another way of thought and response, and I think mostly unbeknownst to us.
This is the LAW OF THE JUNGLE.
This is about man's treatment of his fellow man, when asked to do something to their neighbor that they know deep down to be wrong, how will that man who holds even the most meager bit of power over others will choose to act.
This is about Stockholm syndrome; when Father goes out at night and doesn't tell us where he has been, and gives us a beating for transgressions we didn't know we did. Then we take it out on brother and sister.
Because hurt people hurt people. Man is given to cruelty, especially when his masters are giving him the very same. The extreme manifestations of this in cancel culture and the celebration of victimhood are terribly ill omens for where the psychology of collective society is at currently. We have to find a way to NOT ALLOW OURSELVES to be victims, to rise above that label and overcome those miserable circumstances in pursuit of a brighter day.
The alternative is grim. Justice replaced by revenge. Tearing down someone else, whether or not they were your tormentors, is now the cultural standard we have been seduced into believing is acceptable. The endgame of that is again, a zero-sum one: mutual destruction.
Much of this has been a subliminal spread, only now starting to show itself in video clips such as this, and elsewhere, Rittenhouse or BLM or Canadian truckers and more stand as examples; but plainly I wonder if the tenure of Janet Reno, Oklahoma City, Ruby Ridge and Waco were the beginnings of the collapse. Once upon a time, the President's infidelity to his wife and the dreadful particulars of that story were a grievous injury to his public support and image; now just 25 years later, we would elect a dead man (or create one) just to stop the other scumbag from winning.
Support for a candidate gets people to go vote; hatred and disgust for the OTHER candidate wakes EVERYONE in the Nation to cast their ballots.
Culture is upstream from politics and whether we like it or not everyone is so afraid these days they almost instantly revert back into an identity group when threatened. The bubbles pods and echo chambers technology has helped all of us fall into are the way the globalists and Democrat machine destroys us; that is, by destroying one another.
More than anything else I think COVID was a social experiment, to see how much they could tighten the screws and get away with it. The worst thing about all of it was the sheer amount of people in positions of authority like doctors and police just doing their jobs.
Civil disobedience HAS to be the way. We can't allow ourselves to fear consequences to ourselves and our station in life MORE than we dislike punishing our fellow man for no real reason. Good Christians and Patriots MUST resist or we are doomed. Evil triumphs when good men do nothing.
Good food for thought. Did you notice the social experiment done by a young man who went to rallies of both Trump and Kamala? He wore Kamala t-shirt to Trump rally, and vice versa. Guess what happen to him?
Patriots take care of everyone no matter what color or how brain-dead they are.
Dumbass cops. fire and prosecute the morons.
But but muh back the blue. Muh muh the best of us the elite.
Fuck the blue; they are the biggest crooks in the criminal ecosphere.
If their employer says shoot the incovenient civilians then they will shoot.
Because they “just want to get home after their shift”.
See also - with very few exceptions, by design, because these institutions recruit for submissiveness, uncritical thinkers and compliance - the military, medics, teachers.
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Where was this? TOTAL bullshit! His poor son was given a pretty crappy impression of cops also. That will most likely leave some emotional scars......
I think knowing the full story makes it even more heartbreaking. The father has said that his son is autistic, which is why he keeps flashing his flashlight, to calm himself down. Also the father and his son dressed up as police officers for Halloween for the past two years, as his son wanted to be one growing up.
The part where the officer tries to comfort the kid, then when the kid backs away, the officer mumbles “keep crying then”.
Well, that is a kid that won't back the blue.
If you have concerns about someone walking with a child in the dark, gauge the child first. Strike up conversation, ask questions, watch the child's reaction.
There was no need to go this far, for any reason.
IMO ---- it was the neck tattoo
This happened reportedly in Watonga, Oklahoma. source: https://nitter.poast.org/ELMario2050/status/1819474923636552146
Can't hate that pig enough
These are the type of dudes who would be chomping at the bit to go door to door and forcibly vaxxxx people…….sad but there are a number of them.
Oh how I wish a ni**a would!
What an asshole , and that poor little kid is crying. That cop should lose his job.
The one doing the arrest has been shuffled around to various Departments, has been demote, and is probably suspended With Pay....
I've known like the or four cops like that, an wish I could have been in a position to sue....
No they should be held to same standards and prosecuted and lose their job
I thought that arsehole was going to arrest the kid for crying.
These cops are inhuman.
LOL, I expected that also....
That poor child is going to need therapy.
First, the cops are wrong in how they approached and handled this. No doubt. They deserve to be fired.
Second... people... we know that some cops are assholes. So if you want to avoid being treated liked this, just answer their questions and stop spewing "my rights".
For all you whiners who want to say I'm full of shit, you need to understand the context. Those cops were taking him down the moment they pulled up. To poke them (as in poking the bear) is just plain stupid. If you know you haven't done anything wrong, and if you want to avoid this kind of bullshit, just be compliant. FFS, big brother has all your info anyway, so getting all uppity and causing the cops to have to save face is stupid, especially in front of your child. I mean why not just say, "My name is XYZ, I live about 8 blocks from here at 123 Street. I've lived there about 4 years. We walk in the morning because we enjoy walks before it gets too hot. Do you need us to ride in your car to my house so I can get my ID?"
Remember--asshole cops have their mind made up already, and they have to save face because they're infantile.
That being said, this video will have those cops on leave, if not fired, as they should be. They would have been fired or at least held accountable even if this Dad simply complied.
Comply away, that will surely make things better.
Back the blue?
Who are the ones that come with the feds to your door when it's time for gun inspection?
Ask me how I know?
I'm not sure what your meaning is, I certainly don't back the blue.
In the UK they are a corporate owned private army.
I'm not at all saying you are, I'm actually agreeing with you.
I am sure when he said "Comply away, that will surely make things better." he was being sarcastic.
Unfortunately I get you. The stupidity plague is so massive, one can't help it but to take things literally or at the very least, ask for clarification.
Ah, ok :)
The "things" you refer to have nothing to do with this incident, in the sense that the Father was not going to change anything. The only thing he could do is lose and traumatize his child.
Tell me... is the lawsuit and money (that would have come anyway) going to make things better for this child's traumatic moment? This scar is going to be for half the rest of his life, at least.
But complying is a wimpy way out, I suppose in your mind? Right. Sometimes you have to pick your battles, and picking a losing fight in front of your child is NOT the moment.
I don't believe complying is the wimpy way out, but you don't protect your rights by not exercising them, you lose them.
I should add... there is a place for defiance. I just don't think it was the right moment in front of his 5 year old son with no one else to take the son so now the dad is risking the son having to be watched over by the popo that just took his father.
I happen to agree with you. Here's the thing. I'm a father. I like doing things with my sons. But I'm also aware of the assumptions people have about men by themselves, and men with children. What if that guy hadn't been that boy's father? In the father's mind, it may have been a sweet thing he does to bond with his son--go on walks early in the morning before work. If I did that though, before the sun came up, I think I'd understand if a cop stopped me just to make sure my boy was ok. Had that not been his son, we'd be looking at this video a lot differently. We'd all be talking about how the cops had been guided there by God to save him from a predator and how grateful we all were that he had followed that feeling he had. The father HADN'T done anything wrong, no. And that WAS his son. And my guess is, when that other cop came back and saw how terrified the boy was of him, he knew he'd messed up. And all of that could have been avoided by the father stepping inside the shoes of those cops and seen things from their perspective. It did look a little weird. A little more explanation and cooperation would have resolved the matter easily. And from there on out, they couol have continued those walks and if those cops ever saw them again they'd know what there were seeing and would likely have warm feelings about what they were seeing. Ok, the cops were wrong. But the dad lacked situational awareness and that was really the result any of us should have expected in that situation if we had reacted that defensively. I hate to say it, and it's hard to say right after watching that poor boy cry like that, but if the cops suspicions had been right, they'd look like god-sensitive heroes to us. Ok they were wrong. But I can't blame them for being concerned and if the dad hadn't been so defensive I fully believe it wouldn't have gone down like that.
I totally agree with you. I'm a father, too. I am glad those cops stopped to talk. It should not have gone down that way. It didn't have to. Neither side handled it well.
If we expect cops to do an impossible job, there's a little bit of give and take on our part to get through the situation normally without a take-down.
But because I think that, I'm a communist, haha (the other guy's comment).
Thanks for your comments.
I’ve never seen anyone sign their hole as deep as you. This is entertaining.
Yeah, ad hominem commentsare why this board is so invigorating.
Not if you pursue them afterwards. It could have been easy to go to the station later in the day and file a complaint.
Oh, a complaint… that’ll show em 🙄
You've obviously never filed a complaint with a station.
Au contraire, piggy pie.
“We have investigated ourselves and have found that we did nothing wrong” is a quite common theme.
So true!
Name does not check out.
“Changeagent” advocating to just shut up and comply… 🙄
Good lord you are short sighted
People in Nazi Germany complied to getting on those trains.---Give me liberty or give me death. I will not comply unless I want to where in cases like this. Is it a good idea to comply with vax mandates?
Great examples of where non-compliance in the moment was nedded.
Don’t mind being called shortsighted by a boot licker. Cozy AF.
Stay cozy and out of the way. Your intellectual incapacities bring the rest of us down.
I’d put my brain up against yours any day of the week. My masters degree trumps your 12 weeks of police academy.
LOL! You're dropping degrees, now? And you think I work for a PD?
Dude, look at my history of comments. I am not an officer of any sort. I am just capable of looking at a bigger context. I ask you... what would you have done if you were that Dad? Please answer. I am waiting. Pretend that was your son. Pretend you are the Dad. How do you answer the questions? What do you do? Let's hear your Masters-trained response.
Picking when, where, and how to effect change is most of the battle.
Sooo....
Your advice to Americans is, in summary, leave ALL of your God Given Rights at home, Bend the Knee, and lick the Jack Boots when the come and push up on you....
How about YOU just fuck right the fuck off all the way to China where those are the actual Basic Rules for mere Survival....
Stupid ""F'n"" Communist....
You're a dipshit. Try understanding the concept of context. So this Dad loses his cool and now what... his son is abandoned and with those cops. Choose your battles wisely. And don't jump to conclusions about me... you're the asswipe, not me.
you're the one Promoting and Pushing for MORE loss of American God Given Rights....
You sound exactly like the Leftist Karens and Commies that never contribute anything of value to our Society, and are always lying....
Like I said, Fuck Off all the way to China, Americans do NOT need you or Your Type here....
Give up our Rights, no fucking way Asshoe....
Explain how I was promoting the loss of rights. And, explain how this moment in time that the child was not the priority. Get off your high horse. Learn what startegic thinking is all about. Re-read my comment and learn, you pissant.
AKA, leave your Rights at home, and do Not apply them in Public....
AKA, Bend the Knee, Lick the Jack Boot, be a good little Slave....
AKA, Your Rights are irrelevant, Cops don't need a Real Reason to arrest you, so BOW DOWN....
Tell me you're a Cop, without telling me you're a cop....
And... tell me your a simpleton without telling me you're a simpleton.
You have yourself wrapped in the American flag as you type, but in reality you cannot navigate the reality presented in that video. Tell me... what would you have done if you were that dad, and that was your son. Tell me... I'm waiting.
The truth is, you can't imagine it because you're so full of your own crusade that you didn't comprehend a single thing I explained. Instead, you picked out the quotes that trigger you because, again, you're a simple-minded person, and you start making dumb assumptions. I am not a cop by any stretch. But I know how to navigate a situation like the one in the video.
My guess is that you probably would have gotten tazed, or worse. And your son? Probably taken to the station, and placed in a room waiting for a few hours until the social worker showed up when they start at 9am, traumatized, crying, scarred for life, etc.
And then... you'd have no case to actually pursue justice and put those asshole cops in their place (get them fired) and receive compensation because you would have been confrontational. And you probably wouldn't have the money to hire the right attorneys to bring the case outside the internal review process. That's you. Mr. American Rights every moment of every day no matter what, because 'Merica!!
But... I'll wait... maybe I'm misjudging you. Tell me... how would have handled that situation differently. BECAUSE I'M TALKING ABOUT THAT SITUATION. Go ahead... start typing.
Suspicious Person is Not a Crime....
Stop and Search is Unconstitutional, in most States....
The only thing I would have changed is that I would have been asking them to tell me Exactly what CRIME they suspected me of having Committed, otherwise, they have No Fucking Excuse for Molesting and Abusing that man an his Son....
IF they can't name a specific CRIME, then there is No Crime, and he should be free to go, if they cannot name a specific crime that has been reported in the area, then he should be free to go....
And you sit there pretending to know law???
Please get OFF the Police Force you Jack Boot, YOU are part of the problem, not the solution....
Standing up for your rights is NOT “losing your cool” for fucks sake.
So, which police department do you work for? 🐷
"I don't know" was his answer to what is is your name and address. Yes, he lost his cool. He watched too many people like you put out videos about how to stand up for your rights at the wrong time and escalate a situation. Good job on you.
When are you going to tell me which department you work for?
You're getting ripped to shreds for this intelligent comment. Sorry about that.
There is such a thing as context, you are 100% correct and many of my fellow pedes are being triggered instead of thinking clearly.
If it had been me, I would have provided my name and address and offered to allow them to escort me to retrieve it. Would I be kneeling or giving up any rights in doing so? Would I be empowering those pigs? I can tell you what I would not be doing... I would not be traumatizing my kid over something so stupid.
I abhor what happened, but pops could have LIKELY avoided the escalation by changing his candor and approach slightly.
"What's your name and date of birth?"
"I don't know..."
Pig cops think you are sus, so you respond be behaving more sus? That's not going to end very well.
I agree he should have complied TO A POINT, in doing so this would have likely been avoided.
Thanks for thecomment. I am actually pretty amazed at the infantile level of thinking from many. But it's fun responding to them.
And, yes, to a point. When all cops have video, it's pretty easy to go back and sue the hell out of them. The moment you give any reason for investigators to conclude that you were resisting, then you strip yourself of any possibility of exacting real justice. Play their game in the moment (in this moment, with the child present) and fight another day.
That is literally the worst advice I've ever heard. If you don't stand up for your rights, you won't f****** have any idiot.
Standing up for your rights is not limited to a point in time. Groww up.
If when your rights are being deprived is not the time to stand for them, then when exactly? A point in time? That's your argument?
Just explain how standing up for his rights at that moment worked out well? And, can you not think of a different way and time he could have followed up and broguht a can of legal whoopass on those guys (and spare his son the trauma)?
Well, you are right about that. It didn't work out well, but not at the fault of the man with the kid. He was accosted by 2 police officers who by all accounts were looking for someone to violate. They even said so in the video. "No you aren't doing anything wrong, but..." This is the entire point. The second that man stood to defend his kid and his rights those cops lost their cool and decided they were going to be obeyed. Period. This is the problem. Cops should know, and I argue they do know, but are trained not to accept or recognize a citizens rights. This is why they become combative way before the civilian.
I don't want to argue with you and I see your point. I am of the belief that if we don't stand for our rights we don't have any, because that is exactly how they will treat us. In fact this video and thousands of others are instructions for the population.
Maybe it takes 10 years of people getting abused and violated until we get these bad cops out of office. File lawsuits every time. Get the community involved. This has to stop!
I agree with everything you wrote above. Everything.
My only point (which I didn't make very well) is that all people would do well to have better situational awareness (especially this dad who risked being separated from his child) and know when to stand up for our rights in the moment, and when to stand up for our rights in a later moment.
Thanks for your comment.
bigtime lawsuit
Two words. "Qualified immunity".
You’re going to pay for this! No better words said. Do not answer LEO’s questions. That’s why you put a lawyer on retainer
You can probably count the number of people in Watonga, Oklahoma that have enough money to retain a lawyer with your fingers. This man is not one of them. Hell, I'm definitely not one of them, and I have a much better paying job than one could find in Watonga.....
nothing rational about this other than the "OL DO AS I SAY OR ELSE COMPLEX,will get tossed out and yes he will get fired and sued.
"Failure to identify yourself to an officer" is NOT A FUCKING CRIME you IDIOT cops
You don't have the right to ask for ID unless the person is a suspect of a crime!
It was particularly idiotic to say that since it was obvious that was not the reason they stopped the father in the first place.
But most cops are do not seem smart enough to properly explain their motives in a polite respectful manner.
He should had said. "Look, I understand that this may be a normal thing you do, But all I can assert as fact right now is an adult and a child walking together at a rather unlikely time and I suspect human trafficking. I understand I could be wrong and so, I ask you to cooperate with me while we gather the facts."
Even if the father were to say that's not right or whatever. The cop has at the point clearly articulated his motive and intentions in a professional and respectful manner.
Assuming of course he even had two braincells to rub together here... it seem that the two cops were actually only sharing a unique braincell among the two of them...
If they were decent cops tjeybwouldnt have told the kid to go ahead and cry then. Theybdidnt give two shits about that child.
Yeah, they were assholes. We can add that to the list of failures.
Fren I wish I could updoot this 1,000 times over. Thank you.
The cops should have taken a lot more into account.
No one not suspected of committing a crime is obligated to talk to or present ID to an officer.
Cops don't like people telling them no.
The suspected crime was obviously human trafficking. The Cop should had, while being ready for any extreme action, clearly expressed the crime suspected and proceed to clearly and politely ask the father to prove he is indeed who he claims he is. At said point they should accompany them both to their home where the father can then procure his ID, or better yet have the mother fetch it for him. It is a potentially dangerous situation for the cop. But facing danger for the sake of the people is what they are supposed to do.
5:30 am may be his usual time to take a walk with your son, But that is not a common practice and one can clearly suspect the child to be in danger after seeing this. How many more parents do you see around walking with their kids at that time?
So the problem is that the first officer failed to properly communicate with the father. More than likely due to poor ass training and never being actually taught the laws they are supposed to enforce or how to even properly do it to begin with.
And the second guy was just the usual police asshole. Who lacks understanding and is likely on a power trip. Easy pitfall when you are used to dealing with criminals. But not every one is a criminal and the police often forgets this.
And what human trafficker lets their mark just free walk 1-2 feet away?
Actually, You would be surprised. Grooming is complex in many way. The victim can be a "willing" participant. Or simply fooled into what they should not do. In fact, the "Coyotes" often tell the children they traffic that if they (the kids) are caught by American police they (the kids) will be thrown in jail. And kids being kids, believe them. Also in cases of American criminals they often convince they minors they predate on that they (the kids) are willing participants and would "get in trouble" if caught.
Years ago, I had the misfortune of learning of a child prostitution ring in West Palm Beach, Florida... What the children involved had to say was often extremely disturbing and mind boggling. I learned then that common sense cannot apply to these types of situations.
The thing with children is that they simply do not know better. And can be manipulated easily. So obvious restrains are often not actually needed.
And this is merely one example of the plethora of different possibilities, circumstance and specifics that can take place.
Of course the education a child has received or not is a factor that influences this matter, But in the instance you spot a child with an adult at a rather unlikely time you really should not assume that nothing wrong.
I am by no means justifying the cops either. I already posted the hows and whys of their wrongdoings. The police were clearly at fault here. But not in the way expressed before.
To properly combat a problem, one must understand the problem fully. We must arm ourselves with accurate information in order to have a shot at fixing things.
It was a simple fix. Take the guy to house and checkout his story. If they were honestly that concerned for the child they would have taken the time.
This I agree with.
The precursor to everything that went wrong was the first officer failing hardcore at communication... and well, the second officer was just an asshole so... yeah...
Look at this. People downvoting a perfectly reasoned response, the same people who get all upset about human trafficking any other time on this board because they lack critical thinking skills and yet will call other people sheep.
It saddens me a bit.
I don't know about "not common practice", getting your kid accustomed to exercise at an early age will pay dividends in their future lives, and plenty of people have similar routines.
But you're right, there obviously is a suspected crime. But it's not like the kid has a way to identify himself, so IDing him on its own would not really accomplish a lot.
Correct. The point is the officers frankly sucked at proper communication.
I agree, plenty of people do, but for example, here in my city (yeah I know...) you would never see something like that. It would be extremely rare and odd.
By your logic, if I were to do the same as the father I would be suspicious?
1.- I am a naturalized American. I have a hell of an accent. Does having an accent makes me not American? Also, for your information, Americans like everyone else too commit crimes. So you are not above suspicion. (This is one of the reasons the left finds it so easy to call you a racist. Because people like you are actually racist and probably do not even notice it.)
2.-The Crime the father is suspected of is obviously human trafficking. 5:30 am is not an common time for a father and son walk. How many other parents do you see walking with their kids at that time?
3.- As stated human trafficking is not always straight forward but the assumption of obvious equipment is just wrong.
While these cops did failed at their job in a rather spectacular manner. You would had done no better than them.
In reply to @Datasinc I clearly explained how the cops failed at their duties. Please read it and be better informed.
I urge you to think things clearly before mindlessly posting here. The standard for us is way higher than it should be for the average person. Do better.
Relax ^^. I am not you enemy.
I told you about my post since you had already posted and I did not wanted to write the same thing all over again and clutter the thread. Since @Datasinc had also replied to the same post from you I thought it would be easy for you to find the post I was talking about. I apologize. In hind sight, it may had been better to type it all out again to avoid misunderstandings.
Yes, you did use your intuition and fell a bit short. And in the spirit of debate, I pointed at the flaws I saw with the argument you proposed. Please, do not take offense to this. I've fallen short many times in my life. It took people willing to talk to me help me expand my thoughts.
Am I saying I am superior to you? Hell no. I merely pointed at some mistakes on your logic this one time and tried to explain as politely as I could why so. If you were to observe me long enough, you would get plenty of chances to help me out.
So no. I am not trying to be condescending to you in any way. If anything, I merely wanted to engage in a conversation with you. That was all.
As you probably guessed by now, English is not my first language, so I apologize if I unwittingly sounded like some asshole. After all, the fact that you are in this forum with the rest of us, means that you love this nation and the people in general.
Statistics aren’t racist. Calm down.
Correct. They are not.
But assuming an individual actions are suspicious or not based on statics is a clear mistake, since of course, just asserting the he is American does not in fact make it so that he is not capable of committing a crime.
Surely you understand where I am coming from with this. The part that ignored this fact is where the "racism" comes in.
Of course, we are not leftist lunatics here. And there are plenty of times when I overlooked important facts as brain fart or out of my own stupidity.
As I am sure you know. We are in a war. I personally believe in using every tool at out disposal to win. So I implore you to try and be as mindful as you can when speaking and writing. I want you to be a powerful as you can possible be as our fellow fighter for the good of this nation and mankind.
As long as good cops stand by and do nothing, this abuse will continue. THAT is what destroys trust in departments and with the public. Some people should NOT be in that field.
My uncle was a cop.... he was bad. He enjoyed hurting people with his leather covered lead billy-stick. He enjoyed lording over others with his authority. The other men in his department "put up with it" Why? IDK. But finally, the men were tired of the chaos he caused, it was a small town, and his behavior was not what the rest of us believed in. It took a long time, but eventually he was fired, never to work in law enforcement again. One bad man brought so much harm to people who just wanted to be left alone.
Very few showed up for his funeral. Sad.
Stand up when you see wrong being done and treat others how you want to be treated. You can clearly see the cops had their agenda as soon as they stopped this man. What did he think a minor child was doing at 6am with an adult? But that is just the point isn't it? What is going thru the mind of these cops? This interaction was wrong on so many levels. Police Departments MUST do better with who they hire and how they train.
Good cops? Some one who stands by and does nothing is not a "good cop" that person is merely and enabler and a fking coward.
Psycho and sociopaths are drawn like moths to flame to positions of power. Like cops and politicians.
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“Heros”
FFS 🤦♀️
"show me your ID" is literally the same as, "papers please". When will cops learn to respect the 4th amendment and when people say no to that request. They get so butt hurt every time someone exercises their rights.
but WHY did they do this
Because they are Low IQ Hires, that should NEVER be allowed to be Cops, it comes from one of Two Places, Either they were Picked on by Bullies in school, and are now getting revenge, or they were Bullies in School and re now on a Power Trip....
The bullies theory is a stupid assessment. This behavior comes purely from piss poor training and lack of proper supervision holding high standards. I've seen 6 foot 5 athletes who were never picked on a day in their lives become cops that had poor training and supervision become assholes like these two cops were. It's a systemic problem in a department when it gets this bad. It come primarily from a them and us mentality that now citizens feed into exacerbating the problem. It's also about 10 percent of rhe cops who are screwed up. Here in the Gaw of all places people should recognize the manipulation most of you have fallen for by reading the comments it appears some of youbare adding to the fire.
Sounds like a bunch of bad excuses for bad behavior under the guise of bad training.
What does one Rotten Apple do to the whole Bunch???
I keep forgetting that old saying, do you know it in full, I nee to relearn it....
Well, that was out of line. Still, I would wonder why an adult is walking around with a child all alone at 5:30 am. I would be conversational, ask questions, find out who they are and ask where they live. When the father said "We do this", the cop said no, you don't. Is it because they never saw these two there before?
Yes it could easily have been communicated and sorted out to the satisfaction of both parties. Had to do stuff that way myself. I'd take my time Soni could sleep k owing I didn't ignore a potential.problem or cause one. Most peiple if explained properly were appreciative of such efforts and once you met them you never had tondo more than wave at them next time you saw them. These guys are not suited for the job.
Yeah. Fuck the police. And this is the very reason as to why.
Did you not see the police all over the States enforcing the lockdowns? What could possibly posses some of you guys to think these imbeciles are in your side?
Not one cop iin las vegas enforced a lock down while i was there. I didn't see it either. You saw a few idiots do it. Same 10 percent that do what these guys did.
Good luck going against the casinos and their profits in Las Vegas. I think the one who had a somewhat distorted experience was you.
For example, even here in Florida; Miami, Orlando, Tampa, Jacksonville, any and all major population center had the mandates enforced for over 6 months. And the whole police departments played along.
These police department number in the thousands of officers by the way. So no. It was not some mere 10%. In fact more likely it was 10% of police who resisted the mandates if at all.
Shameful. Without reasonable articulable suspicion of a crime being committed they have no right to detain this man and demand ID under threat of arrest. That is a Constitutional violation and is illegal. The most they had based on the video was a consensual encounter and they fucked it up.
Wow...I hope these guys get actually get held accountable. Stuff like that has an impact on a kid that age...this is appalling
What a testosterone f-up.
Total asshole cops. I just hope that few people will use this as an excuse to paint them with a broad brush, as all bad, as some are wont to do.
Tell me who your Friends are, and I'll tell you who you are....
All are complicit
Really, then you are complicit too.
Every cop that doesn't turn in / arrest other cops for violating people's rights or commiting crimes is a bad cop.
Every cop that doesn't have a good understanding of the law is a bad cop.
Most cops are bad cops.
The birth of another cop hater.
Major reform is needed across the US.
Don't refund the police, reform the police and root out these types
They should be forced to read the laws they try to enforce and the constitution they pledge to uphold.
Add to that all of the relevant court ruling in these matters.
And tested maybe every 6 months on it.
Instead of pepper spray the recruits to establish that getting pepper sprayed does in fact suck... They do that like once per month in the College of police by the way.
Why did you repost this here? We are having civil unrest all over the world and you post a video of a guy asserting his rights in a foolish way and getting abused by a foolish cop for doing it. Are you trying to breed foolishness and strife?
"A foolish way" ?
He didn't need to assert anything if some power tripping low IQ thugs didn't try to violate his rights.
Fuck you.
He could have negotiated the situation better. Did he not think that he appeared at all suspicious? If he didn't maybe he's got the low I.Q.
If a rabid dog came around the corner while he's walking with his son he most likely would have recognized the danger. If this guy really thought being standoffsish to two idiots was going to work out for him he's also an idiot.
I've been wronged by similar idiots but never made it go full retard like this. He played it foolishly.
Have a great day fren.
Both of you are being a bit silly. This is not constructive.
Take a breath and try to establish what should had been done correctly and how.
I can see how both of you have somewhat valid points, It is a really pointless argument.
Instead try to understand and incorporate each others idea. Between the both of you, You have almost all of this figured out.
Look at UK to see where this shit leads!
A town of 3000. If the cops don't know him already kinda means he's just an ok dude.
Who trains the police? They need much better training to know where their limits are.
This video doesn’t make sense. It feels fake and designed to manipulate. Like that video where the white cops pull their guns on a black serviceman at a gas station
It's a fucking police bodycam that was acquired via subpoenaed or FOIA request.
Don't be a cop sucker and lick an authoritarian boot that's being kicked in the face of a fellow citizen.
An undertrained / stupid cop stopped a man with no probable cause and assaulted him. That happens almost every day.
When you figure out that it’s 100% real (just like the other one you mentioned), will you stop putting cops on a pedestal? Will you finally realize that the vast majority of cops are really, really ignorant of the Constitution and don’t give two shits about your rights?
Seems like it was created and populated to stir more violence and animosity toward a white washing of police. I am baffled this got stickied.
It’s just a FOIA of a bad cop’s bodycam. This actually happened, exactly as it appears in the video.
I’m sorry, but there really are tons of really bad cops like this one. Welcome to the Great Awakening.
There are around 3 million interactions per year with the cops. Cops being human, some are bound to be assholes.
With that said, This serves as no justification. They should be held at a higher standard. Because their actions can impact innocent people if they are careless.
I find it that most cop lack training and have no idea of what the "law" actually says. Let alone the constitution they swore to uphold. I am willing to bet most cops have never even read the constitution. And I know for sure they do not know any of the laws they enforce, or even care really. They mostly just do as they are told.
Yeah, I am well aware. The guy negotiated it poorly. I got pulled over coming home from my pastor's house after midnight with my son once. Cop was suspicious but I respectfully interacted with him and it ended well. I've interacted with a few over the years. I've been wronged too, never ending like this though, because being stupid does hurt and this dad didn't help himself or the two thugs.
Standing up for your rights is not being disrespectful. That is exactly the mindset that has destroyed American policing.
If your impression of the situation is “yeah, but he could have just complied and been left alone”, then you are literally a part of the problem.
The minutemen in Lexington and Concord could also have just complied with the British police coming to confiscate their rifles and been left alone.
Armed agents of the government with the ability to remove your freedom walking up to you and demanding your papers is not liberty, is not freedom, and IS NOT AMERICAN.
How is rural Oklahoma similar to UK?
Thinking about the behavior of UK police in the sticky u/brain_dead had with a video log of the UK rioting. Weren't they claiming the rioters WERE ACTUALLY extremist racists, and most of them white?
So in that instance it was an anti-Muslim response generated by extremist white racist people (organized or no, but LIKELY right wing according to the UK media and you were backing up that position) who were doing the most egregious damage and causing harm and chaos.
Then there were groups of what seemed to be counter protesters, opposition made up apparently of folks with higher melanin, donning facial coverings and engaging with the original group. (And by now we can just abbreviate by calling them Nazi punks eh? Cuz the media said that's who they were... and most importantly, though it was lost on many, WHY they were out demonstrating)
And if I'm incorrect anywhere just say so, but did we not view footage in that video log where the UK police seemed to be actively engaging with Nazi punks while elsewhere they were allowing the brave counter protesters to walk on by even as they donned weaponry?
I am pursuing this because I think it leads to a major truth underneath: we now assign ourselves to a DIFFERENT MORAL CODE than ever before in the United States of America. Starting from a long period of indoctrination, miseducation in schools, trampling of religious doctrine, deception by an ever more false, jingoist media subsumed with propaganda and many other spheres of American life invaded, we have been turned to another way of thought and response, and I think mostly unbeknownst to us.
This is the LAW OF THE JUNGLE.
This is about man's treatment of his fellow man, when asked to do something to their neighbor that they know deep down to be wrong, how will that man who holds even the most meager bit of power over others will choose to act.
This is about Stockholm syndrome; when Father goes out at night and doesn't tell us where he has been, and gives us a beating for transgressions we didn't know we did. Then we take it out on brother and sister.
Because hurt people hurt people. Man is given to cruelty, especially when his masters are giving him the very same. The extreme manifestations of this in cancel culture and the celebration of victimhood are terribly ill omens for where the psychology of collective society is at currently. We have to find a way to NOT ALLOW OURSELVES to be victims, to rise above that label and overcome those miserable circumstances in pursuit of a brighter day.
The alternative is grim. Justice replaced by revenge. Tearing down someone else, whether or not they were your tormentors, is now the cultural standard we have been seduced into believing is acceptable. The endgame of that is again, a zero-sum one: mutual destruction.
Much of this has been a subliminal spread, only now starting to show itself in video clips such as this, and elsewhere, Rittenhouse or BLM or Canadian truckers and more stand as examples; but plainly I wonder if the tenure of Janet Reno, Oklahoma City, Ruby Ridge and Waco were the beginnings of the collapse. Once upon a time, the President's infidelity to his wife and the dreadful particulars of that story were a grievous injury to his public support and image; now just 25 years later, we would elect a dead man (or create one) just to stop the other scumbag from winning.
Support for a candidate gets people to go vote; hatred and disgust for the OTHER candidate wakes EVERYONE in the Nation to cast their ballots.
Culture is upstream from politics and whether we like it or not everyone is so afraid these days they almost instantly revert back into an identity group when threatened. The bubbles pods and echo chambers technology has helped all of us fall into are the way the globalists and Democrat machine destroys us; that is, by destroying one another.
More than anything else I think COVID was a social experiment, to see how much they could tighten the screws and get away with it. The worst thing about all of it was the sheer amount of people in positions of authority like doctors and police just doing their jobs.
Civil disobedience HAS to be the way. We can't allow ourselves to fear consequences to ourselves and our station in life MORE than we dislike punishing our fellow man for no real reason. Good Christians and Patriots MUST resist or we are doomed. Evil triumphs when good men do nothing.
Some food for thought.
Good food for thought. Did you notice the social experiment done by a young man who went to rallies of both Trump and Kamala? He wore Kamala t-shirt to Trump rally, and vice versa. Guess what happen to him?
Patriots take care of everyone no matter what color or how brain-dead they are.
Criminal cops.