Badlands Media Special Coverage: Election Certification Vote-- https://rumble.com/v66g8jg-badlands-media-special-coverage-election-certification-vote.html?e9s=src_v1_ucp
BTW "If....Trump won 2020, so did Pence. If Trump is still President, Pence is still VP this would prove 100% that it WAS all just kayfabe 😂🤣 "remember.....cuz of what Pence did, this is what they did....Electoral Count Reform Act will NOW protect Trump 2024. Pence took slings n arrows too. for us n the team" "One of the more interesting subplots we often circle without directly touching is a scenario where Kamala Harris is forced to certify a Trump election win in January." Jon Herold thx to Pence, the Electoral Count Reform Act changes that Pence gave up his reputation and his career for this one move right here. And he did it because he loves his God and his country. Service to your country isn't always just putting on a flak jacket, picking up arms and marching into battle. This was the most effective Kayfabe ever...and ppl still think he's a traitor Electoral Count Reform Act
'Role of the Vice President.
Affirmatively states that the constitutional role of the Vice President, as the presiding officer of the joint meeting of Congress, is solely ministerial and that he or she does not have any power to solely determine, accept, reject, or otherwise adjudicate disputes over electors'-- https://www.collins.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/one_pager_on_electoral_count_reform_act_of_2022.pdf
Pence did a great job of convincing me that he's a traitor.
I see no evidence to change that.
He got a special coin or two that day as I recall.
He surely did! Saw him receive it with my own two eyes.
Maybe the coin was saying he is one of “them” now, part of their club, for doing what they told him to do.
Perhaps he is a double actor - an excellent one at that since both sides bought the play. I’m still not convinced though that he is a good guy but I suppose anything is possible in this movie.
Peace got the letter too
Very true!
w/o Pence doing what he did, to the chagrin of patriots who couldn't/wouldn't take the 40,000' view, Trump would not be protected now per the Electoral Count Reform Act
Trump wouldn't need to be protected if they fixed the election outcome back in 2020.
Yes but we know that was NEVER going to happen.
I see too many ANONS not understanding THIS PART of THE PLAN.
I don't buy that the Q team had J6 and Pence being a traitor as part of the plan. I think they may have wargamed it, using simulations, but I don't believe that was the outcome they wanted. They had ways to deal with it if that happened, but I'm sure that wasn't their first choice. I don't believe the good guys would allow thousands of patriots to go to jail for several years as part of their plan.
Im saying that whether Pence is a traitor or was was acting under orders there was NEVER going to be a reversal of the results.
A. He is a traitor and did EXACTLY what the WH knew he would do
B. He is a WH and followed instructions
The end result is the same.
Exactly. The world has been in a terrible mess almost as much because of the normies as the cabal. Sometimes I wish I would see it more in my personal circle, but in the broader sense normies as waking up in much larger numbers now than back in 2020.
I'm sure Glen Beck doesn't consider himself a normie, but he is in a lot of ways he doesn't realize. Still, on his radio program today he mentioned that he is a completely different person than a few years ago. He said he used to be a "ra ra go America Flag Waiver about everything". Now he says he still deeply believes in America's foundations but doesn't trust the government one bit. He's getting there.
Almost sounds like there was a plan.
They are still caught up in Left vs Right ....R vs D....Thinks just because Fox news tells more truth than CNN that they are honest......they dont understand the concept of controlled opposition....they dont get how the baddies play both sides in order to pit us against eachother....
I don't think he's a traitor. He gave the commies extra time to pass their electiom reformation stuff. Thanks to him, Kamahal had no choice but to certify Trump.
Some say he is pedo. If pedo…WH made him do it.
rumor
Yeah... makes sense...
"White hats made him bang kids..."
"C'mon Mikey... throw a good phuck into that kid for the Plan"
GTFOOH
If he acts like a traitor we need to treat him as such.
I agree there was never going to be a reversal. Even now I don't think it will happen. SCOTUS blew the ACA/Obamacare case because they were paid off or afraid they would be killed. No way they touch the 2020 election. It would be 8-1 against, with Thomas in dissent.
What do we REALLY know about the J6 prisoners?
how many r antifa or azov?
Those people likely weren't arrested even though they were the most violent ones.
^
We don’t know much at all.
surprising huh...NOT
I was waiting for someone to bring this up. For some reason people don't believe these patriots are in prison. What I know is my old rep Louie Gohmert went to the prison in DC and I trust Louie implicitly - more than MTG and anyone else that went there.
Was Gohmert allowed inside to see the prisoners? I saw the coverage of him, Gaetz and MTG not being allowed in the building.
DId he ACTUALLY visit any specific prisoners?
Buffalo Boy, Trump at the capital, everyone ramped up Trump saying they stole it, everyone knows the crowd is going to end up at capital, Trump knew that Pelosi was pulling Nat Guard, everyone knew something would go down at the capital that day.
And it was a great show, patriots walking in line, cops ushering people in, doors being unlocked, Pelosi had film crew. (All this slipped by?)
It was a stark contrast, this one day where we got CLOSE to their “sacred” playing grounds of DC…….
Compared to MONTHS AND MONTHS of stores being looted and looted, burned to the ground, people terrorized, entire city blocks TAKEN OVER. NO GO ZONE. BY RIOTERS AND ANTIFA BROWNSHIRTS W RIFLES.
THEY TOOK CITY BLOCKS BY FORCE AND POLICE/MIL WAS TOLD TO STAND DOWN!
Courthouses, police departments, housing, vehicles, assaults, drugs, weapons, explosives…..
CRICKETS! Summer of Love they said!
Trump pardoning those who made the sacrifice that day will be a huge step towards righting this huge injustice.
When the Antifa brown shirts pop up on command, their punishment will be justified clean and swift.
This isn’t even getting to the part where Q basically told us numerous times trying to make us understand IT HAD TO BE THIS WAY.
BIDEN WAS PART OF THE SO CALLED “PLAN” 100%
All the fakery and fuckery that came with it we must understand SO MUCH if not ALL
HAD TO BE THIS WAY! And doesn’t it make so much sense? How much had to be done publcially and behind the scenes where Trump couldn’t be in charge?
How do you get them to mega rig an election so hard, TWICE, that it must all be undone and and redone?
I agree. We can't go on being surprised by events. We have Q to refer back to.
We have a better House/Senate and popular vote mandate now. Everything that happened was providential.
We have to be very careful though - the House majority is only like 3 and there are more RINOs than that. Republicans lost seats in the house - the majority was 9 last CONgress. We "lost" 6, although I think we really gained but fraud stopped the gains.
I expect some RINOs will be voting "present" or skipping some votes just to tank the republicans. Trump also needs to be careful when picking appointments from the house republicans, to make sure they will be back-filled with republicans so the majority is not further weakened. That is more important with senators. If he snags a rep senator he needs to be sure the state governor is a rep that will put someone good in there.
I agree, but we’d be in a civil war.
true, but that hasn't happend....yet
I'm trying to see how you draw that conclusion. Pence acted as if his role was only ceremonial - how did that action lead to the Dems ramming through the Electoral Count Reform Act? Pence did exactly what the dems wanted him to do in spite of the power he had before the reform was passed? I'm willing to hear out your logic if you're willing to explain it.
Because the Republicans dared to challenge the election results.
What Republican challenged the results during the certification process?
https://www.axios.com/2021/01/06/republicans-object-electoral-college-certification
Namely Ted Cruz. He proposed a 10 day investigation into the election fraud. Plus, Mike Pence could have put a halt to the FBI's operations that day by overruling Nancy Pelosi and putting the National Guard in place prior to election certification.
"could have" and "proposed" does not equal "did"
Crickets...
Remember when they tried to make him “gay” but he would never get in an elevator alone with a woman? They have one picture that made him “look” gay. Funny how I have been waiting for it all to be his role in the entrapment of the DS. All this time I have been hoping and praying. Fingers crossed.
Had a buddy who would never have a business lunch or dinner with a women other then his wife. Boasted about it. Perception he said.
He’s now divorced. Had an affair.
Pence must have some uncontrollable urges if he can't get into an elevator with a woman. What an animal!
Trying to avoid the e jean carroll scenario. I can understand this. Save yourself the huge headache, and on a national scale, no less. Bad enough to defend if you are not a 'famous' person.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UggP7fzlqOw
IMO, he's a sincere patriot who is playing his role in this movie.
Me too. I’m still thinking he’s a pedo and a traitor.
He did get an envelope at the funeral....
Yup.
True , however if he was working an angle for the WH they would want to keep his cover with an envelope.
Anyone remember when? Chris Miller thanked Pence for his personal courage? That always struck me as odd.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzDUVFRXGsA
yep, that's one of those 'hidden' gems that had me consider a diff scenario than the ones being offered by so many influencers
Yes, PDJT also said about Pence was 'Sometimes the bravest thing to do is nothing at all... '
That quote, IIRC, was when he was speaking just outside the White House before/during the infamous "riot" at the Capitol on Jan 6, 2021.
I’m still on the “Pence played his role perfectly” train.
TY unfortunately not many r
I believe this as well!
Fren, you have hit the nail right on the head. I have been saying for years Pence is NOT a traitor to this country but a great patriot who took a lot of arrows because Trump asked him to. When the dust settles it will be Pence who did a lot of heavy lifting against his political career to get the deep state out of this country's political system. Thanks for a great article. I enjoyed reading it and digesting the enormity of Pence's actions.
TYVM! i wish others could see how it 'had to be this way'
Pence needs to be the 1st one in the Garden of Heroes!!
Q4461
Only when evil is forced into the light can we defeat it.
Only when they can no longer operate in the [shadows] can people see the truth for themselves.
Only when people see the truth [for themselves] will people understand the true nature of their deception.
Seeing is Believing.
Sometimes you can't tell the public the truth.
YOU MUST SHOW THEM.
ONLY THEN WILL PEOPLE FIND THE WILL TO CHANGE.
It had to be this way.
This is not another 4-year election.
GOD WINS.
Q
I would like to associate myself with this fren's remarks.
Mike... is that you?
If Pence is a traitor, Trump and the WHs knew it and played him OR he was doing what he was told to save himself. All those that were forced to do the job they did probably never thought Trump would be back as President. The next 90 days is going to tell a lot. Don't use a credit card, use Kash!
EXACTLY
Pence was one of the first Judas Goats in the plan and his conduct destroyed the one legal thing they could have used to stop Trump 2024...Oops:) 5D moves. I still believe he has skeletons in his closet but it could be why it worked at all.
And that is why Im not gonna be calling Pence a hero unless those skeletons are confirmed to be untrue.
He could do as he was told as a way to avoid legal repurcussions of those skeletons.
Yep.
Herald has been steady on this belief since 2021. In fact , I used to follow his Devolution Telegram channel and they would ban you for dissing Pence.
Pence has a boat load of stuff that goes AGAINST him , HOWEVER one thing remains true in my mind
If we follow Q and realize that it had to be this way and that you have to show the people then we know that the steal was allowed to happen, TRUMP was NEVER going to win last time no matter what becasue the system was too corrupt ...it didnt matter what Pence did last J6, nothing about 2020 results were going to change.
what Pence did then does matter now. Electoral Count Reform Act. Trump is protected now
Yes
Traitor or Not I agree with this part.
After 2020 I often wondered whether Pence was a White Hat behind enemy lines. Somebody had to certify Biden as the winner for everything to play out. Q4414:
RED3: CLAS movement PELOSI OR PENCE
Climb to 40,000 and higher!! No matter your position on Pence, take another look at what it meant by his actions 4 years ago..... He was in the Chamber and caught Nasty Poopooloosely (pelosi) and her hoard of evil minions completely off guard as she was triumphantly making her way to the podium to garner control and suddenly found herself in retreat and later admitting she should have accepted the Nat Guard protection on her daughters camera...
WITHOUT Pence's action " If....Trump won 2020, so did Pence. If Trump is still President, Pence is still VP this would prove 100% that it WAS all just kayfabe 😂🤣 "remember.....cuz of what Pence did, this is what they did....Electoral Count Reform Act will NOW protect Trump 2024. "
Had the election gone to Trump in 2020, the Swamp creatures and their evil operations wouldn't have been fully exposed and they could have waited the MAGA movement out and resume their operations. It was a painful 4 years for us anons, but we all had to go through it. The normies needed to see and understand what we already knew. In 14 days, We the People have made a mandate and this will be delivered. Get ready.
"It had to be done this way" is an important statement by Q that MUST be incorporated to any comprehensive understanding of what Q was revealing.
Regarding Pence, I find it more difficult to accept the "Pence is an evil DS pedo" premise than I do the "Pence sacrificed himself and his reputation for the sake of the Plan" premise.
On the other hand, not a believer in the "DJT is still President" theory. Devolution, by definition, means that the power of Potus was 'devolved' to other agents (i.e. military commanders) in the government.
To your last paragraph: you just described the Continuity of Government. This document was desperately sought by the last administration (FBI Mara logo raid, etc.) in order for them to understand exactly what DJT had put in place, and who shared the power in otder for the corrupt and weaponized agencies to prosecute those identified with extreme prejudice. Epic fail on their part.
To my knowledge, it's speculation that "this document" was the object of the Mar-a-Lag raid. There are factors around the raid that shed some doubt on this particular speculation. I can accept it as a premise, as a theory, but not as a fact. Too many unknowns.
As for "this document", it does appear that DS parties were desperately seeking the PEADS established by Trump, which would likely include any COG information, but there is still a lot I do not know (factually) about who did what, when.
It's a shadow war. We see all sorts of information flicker across our 'screens' (as it were), some of it actual, some of it narrative, a lot of it unverifiable, and we attempt to put together explanations that are consistent with what we see and hear. But we're on the outside, observing significant parts of the war from a place of simply being unable to know for fact.
i don't understand why anons don't see this :/
Maybe it's because they haven't fully woke up? They know things aren't right, yet because of the rose colored glasses they see through isnt giving them the clearest images? Who truly knows? Each anon has their own collective thoughts and will see things as their brain will allow them. Not that that's wrong, it's just how they are right now. In time, as they see and comprehend more, their outlook will adjust.... Stay safe fren!!!
well said! TY
I've always said Pence is a white hat. #1 Trump said it would take more courage for him to do the wrong thing than do the right thing. #2 Trump never said anything negative about Pence even though you would expect him to. #3 Chris Miller is a hero, see what Miller has to say about Pence. https://youtu.be/MF3sSet7_SA?t=1174
I lean toward him being a traitor who did what Trump and company expected him to do. I would like to be wrong though.
as BurningBright offen says....look at things in a bicameral way
REEEEEEEEEEEEEE! There are more than 2 cameras!
The biggest issue I see with this is that if Trump and Pence were the actual President and Vice President for the last 4 years, then Trump's 2024 election could be null and void, and technically would be because a president can only hold two terms.
IF the truth of 2020 is revealed, I suspect it will be closer to the end of Trump's 2024-2028 term so that he can be the actual president for the masses and the world for the next 4 years instead of a shadow president.
My personal opinion is that Pence is a douchebag traitor. His higher-than-thou Christian persona is a Hollywood production to hide his true RINO nature. It all reminds me of all of the George W propaganda about him being a "compassionate conservative." Remember that feel-good story as two decades-long wars were started?
9-11 swept in the Patriot Act, which led to the Department of Homeland Security and the Transportation Security Administration, along with the DNI and the effective spying on all Americans by intelligence agencies, 24 hours a day, ever since.
Here is what it takes to dispute a state: The example is California and its 54 electoral votes.
You would need a letter in writing from 87 members of the House and 20 members of the Senate. Then we would get the one hour debate in both chambers followed by a vote to accept or reject the electoral votes. Note that this change was made because the Republicans challenged Joe Biden's selection as Resident in several states.
Can't have second in line for the Presidency be a Black Hat Operative.
Just simply can't. So either this plan is real or it isn't. If Pence is a baddie, everyone is and we're being worked.
knowing how this was r LAST chance, ya know Q n teams would've thoroughly vetted Pence just in case he became Pres. he'd have to be in on the 'plan'.
Indeed. Accepting VP Pence as a baddie requires the sort of intense mental gymnastics that would make a Chinese contortionist blush. If you are anon and/or accept the Q operation as a legitimate operation.
I expect there will be a very solid, documented and argued discussion of the whole Pence as VP issue in years to come. Academic, serious study evaluating ALL the data available. But for now, it mostly comes down to beliefs and what one chooses to focus on in terms of what one accepts.
Perhaps that is actually a point that supports the Pence as White Hat narrative: a LOT of anons have contrasting opinions on this, which implies the Black Hats also simply don't really know. No one does. Except for those very close to the DJT team. I e. mi.l intel and Q.
I thought they changed the rules that VP doesn't have to certify anymore?
'Role of the Vice President.
Affirmatively states that the constitutional role of the Vice President, as the presiding officer of the joint meeting of Congress, is solely ministerial and that he or she does not have any power to solely determine, accept, reject, or otherwise adjudicate disputes over electors'
No - they changed the rules on contesting electoral votes from a state. Before the change, a single member of CONgress could simply submit in writing that they were contesting state x, and then during the certification process they would stand and object. The new law requires 20% or more of one of the two houses of CONgress to sign on to the objection for it to be acknowledged.
They can't make a law to change the 12th Amendment - which says the President of the Senate (the VP) certifies the electoral votes.
ty
Pence looks like a man with deep dark secrets. I'm sure most of you on here know what those secrets are.
I do, this Pepe remembers. I do not think he was a white hat or will be I believe he did what he was told, but every time someone tries to say he is a good guy I just can't.
I also remember Pence Ryan, and that Pence was forced on Trump if he wanted the nomination.
He is a snake , glad I'm not the only one that sees it.
I still have a hard time believe Pence was really the bad guy and not just playing a role. No one here thinks Trump didn't now how his own VP was going to vote in the hearing and just left it up to Pence to decide for himself? Pence had to have known that vote would tank his political career.
Can you explain why Pence provided the green light for the J6 false flag? Releasing his letter saying he was powerless to stop the steal provided cover to the DS. This is the piece of the puzzle that stops me from buying into the kayfabe narrative.
Prior to the letter being posted on Twitter, MAGA believed Pence was going to deliver on his promise to challenge the illegitimate election results. MAGA had no motive or reason to enter the Capitol, they believed Pence would fight for them.
Absent that letter the J6 narrative would have been completely implausible. Why would MAGA want to disrupt Pence and the Republicans stopping the steal?
So you guys on board for Pence '28?
There's this about it too
They have encoded into law that the 2nd highest law enforcement officer in the land—if the Executive Branch exists to enforce the laws enacted by the Legislative Branch—MUST certify known fraudulent election results whenever they come before him or her.
They have literally codified election fraud as a requirement of the office of Vice President of the United States.
Something tells me this will not stand the test of time.
White hats did NOT receive envelopes
Pence received envelope ✉️
It's clear. Stop dragging this out
And.... you know what was in the envelopes how?
Fact: No one here knows what was in the envelopes. No one knows if they were identical. No one knows where they originated from.
Its all 100% speculation.
Best not to confuse 'belief' with 'fact'. You can have both, but one does not necessarily equal the other.
The Congress cannot legislate interpretations of the Constitution. The Constitution can be interpreted only by the Supreme Court. The Electoral Count Reform Act is an admission that what Pence was being urged to do was in fact allowable under the Constitution. But the Constitution cannot be changed except by Amendment.