Not asking as a doomer. Asking as an analytical Anon: What should we do if Kari Lake loses her lawsuit? Some thoughts...
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What is our role in the Plan? I know we are digital soldiers trying to help wake up normies.
If KL loses her lawsuit, are we supposed to go all "peaceful Brazilian" in the streets? I am not suggesting, but asking.
Are we supposed to get more popcorn? Not being snide... really asking?
What is our role if she loses? I think this question needs discussion among those who have spent way more time than most of us studying the Q drops.
Thanks for your thoughts and guidance. (I am definitely NOT advocating anything other than peaceful protest).
This opinion will likely be controversial, but I think it doesn't really matter. Everything now is a distraction to keep us occupied while events continue to play out behind the scenes. Sure, it is wonderful to do something. And putting people in the right frame of mind can't do any harm when we really do arrive at the precipice. But the reality is that the grinder society needs to pass through before this is over is going to make all of this much less important than we think it is right now.
Trump wasn't wrong when he said sometimes he wants to lose it all just to see who his friends are. We really do need to lose it all in order to become the change we so desperately want. And that time simply isn't here yet. So maybe we protest, maybe we don't. Maybe SCOTUS takes her case, maybe they don't. Maybe we block a major highway and let them roll the tanks to clear us out. It isn't going to significantly change anything.
The precipice is still ahead of us, and at that point everyone, even the currently unawake and unaware, will finally understand there is no choice other than ending this insanity or permanent enslavement. And that is the time when it actually matters. And there won't be any question then of what needs to be done.
Couldn't agree more.
The storm may take years to come about, possibly even decades, but one day what we write here will be studied in history classes. Once the storm is upon us, they'll come in droves, asking for help and guidance, and my bumper stickers will show them the way.
The storm HAS to happen soon, because all the illegals WILL eventually be voting, and at that point, no Republican will be able to win almost everywhere. When that tipping point happens, all the super leftist legislation will be introduced, and passed, and you can kiss the country goodbye, without a hot civil war.
At that point, they won't need to commit ballot fraud or any fraud day-of. I just wish 95% of the current crop of republicans weren't completely useless.
I'm so sad for my children! Unfortunately, at least 2 of the 4 haven't escaped from MSM control (one is on the fence :) ). I didn't wake up until I hit 30, so there is still hope for them.
UNLESS there is a major outreach to the entrenched illegals to convince them of the evil of the D's by showing them what the D's are doing. The illegals are not for castrating boys, sex trafficking, and so on. They just don't know what they're voting for, when voting D.
Yes! Culturally, almost all the hispanic illegals are conservative, so it's just a matter of them realizing the Democrat party is more in line with the ruling party of whatever country they are fleeing. What bothers me is how U.S. corporations cater to Spanish speaking people. When I was in college in AZ in the 1970's, a Mexican-American guy in our dorm was from a family in Tucson, whose parents were legal immigrants from Mexico. They made it a point to NOT speak Spanish in their house, so the children would be fully "Americanized". I visited his house and they were the nicest people you could meet, and so pro-American it was almost scary :) If his parents are still alive, I'm sure they are disgusted with the illegal immigration and the push to balkanize our country through the Spanish language.
You're assuming that our salvation will come from the Republicans, but that's obviously not the case. The government has to be reformed. President Trump has the right idea, sometimes we have to abandon the constitution in order to fix things. Immigrants are easy to mold and control. We think of the left using this, but I think this is part of the plan. When the storm happens, we will use immigrants to overthrow the DS and setup a new utopia, without being bled dry by the corrupt Cabal. Don't you want that?
Based take and I agree.
I have increasingly been thinking this. All of the extreme crazy has got to get to the breaking point where it simply cannot go on. We're not there yet.
A lot of people have just fully accepted that “this is the way things are and we can’t change them” corruption in their hearts.
insightful
Who is "the grinder society"? And what must it pass through?
A society based on hot sandwiches.
Mmmmm. Hot sandwiches.
You will have no hot sandwiches and you will like it.
You can warm the bugs by sitting on them
Substitute that with "the grinder that [our] Society must pass through" ....
It’s gonna be a bumpy ride replacing the great reset with the great awakening
IIRC the judge already through out like 4/5 of the case, so we're really only seeing a small sliver of the info. A loss wouldn't surprise me and you shouldn't perceive this case as the win-or-lose moment of the war.
More than two years into the Q thing, and after almost having been black-pilled after Jan 6th, the one theme that recurs over and over and over: this will be a gradual process. The entire planet is in the progress of being deprogrammed from a lifetime of brainwashing and gaslighting. Every person has their unique breaking point, and this case--win or lose--will be that breaking point for some sliver of the population.
What should you do? Whatever you want, but keep this Ron Paul quote in mind: "If you're not having fun, you're doing it wrong."
In the meantime, the movie will play and the info will continue to drizzle out and people will gradually awaken. If Hobbs gets put in office, so what? Having pedo-Pete in office has done more to wake people up than Trump's entire four year term. We're witnessing a scripted collapse of America in accelerated realtime. Maybe Democrats need to see what would happen more than anyone.
Yeah, the Deep State has been built over generations and centuries, it's not going to be dismantled in just a few short years. I personally think it will be decades, but my hope is that my grandchildren will live free on their own land. No vaccines, government intrusion, taxes, fake news, abortions, or electricity. Just being able to live simply as we're supposed to.
No electricity?
Electricity (and other utilities in general) have been used to tie people to the grid and force them into compliance and socialism. Think about it, how we buy electricity is the epitome of socialism. It's run by the government, it's prices are set by the government and you have no say in who you can buy your power from. It's almost as bad as Medicare. Seriously, modern luxuries have made peoplesoft. People used to farm and till the soil with their own hands and they were happy and fulfilled in doing it. That's the goal as to where we need to get back to.
Solar and mini hydro hooked up to batteries would be a good start in getting people off the grid, but the problem there is that if you want both, you need land with access to moving water that doesn't freeze.
Exactly. God doesn't necessarily give you what you want but always gives you what you need.
No doubt we're seeing a scripted collapse, but I'm not certain it's actually the good guys in control of the script. I think you'll know it's the bad guys in charge if you see a central bank digital currency roll out. That will either be a catalyst for some bio-metric identification card, in the name of security of course, or maybe the digital ID will enable the digital currency.
And once they have that in place you'll quickly find it expands to include some social credit score (carbon footprint, penalties for not undertaking their recommended healthcare actions, whatever work crap of the week they want to force on you, etc) and then you'll start to see them cut off your ability to buy more than a certain amount of gas or meat or whatever other products they don't want you to own. And they'll be able to restrict your access to air travel, trains, entertainment venues, and whatever else if you haven't undertaken their recommended healthcare actions.
I do sometimes wonder how far people will go with total trust. When they make it impossible to get ammo? When they deprive your ability to buy guns or gun parts? When they come to the door? When they roll out digital currency, as you said, or digital ID with a social credit score?
Someone above said "decades". This is not a feasible time frame, nor is it an acceptable one. Wins have to be had. The good guys will all be dead, and more bad ones will be recruited in to replace them.
To accept "decades" is folly, and it is a folly that creates the same complacency that got us into this mess.
"We don't need to do that, our kids will take care of it."
Based
They grow their numbers by grooming from childhood. We grow our numbers by showing people what goes on, then they may either slink away with their worldview destroyed, or try to fight. I'm talking about the white hats and black hats themselves, and the people we see.
It honestly feels like time is running out. We don't know how long we have, and while it's great when you can't tell something is a movie, real people are dying, or having their lives destroyed.
I don't think AZ needs to experience this to 'show' anybody anything new - it's already happened in California with Newsom defeating the recall vote with that whole shady operation. People are leaving California in droves, beautiful SF is ruined, the water wars, etc. I think even a large proportion of Dems are converted now. We truly are fighting the 'entrenched' DS who remain in power positions.
Edit: the same arguments go for NYC - already ruined. The 'people' are already convinced of the problems - the problems still exist though in those in the power offices who can 'write the rules'. Until that changes (via lawsuits and 'honest' elections), expect more of the same. Look at DeSantis - there was so much pent up frustration by the people in Fla that DeSantis could just change the color of the blinds in his office and people think he's the second coming. I think he's doing a good job right now but the point is that the 'people' Dems and Reps , I feel, are ready for change.
The problem with the commies that leave CA and NY is that they vote for the same thing that ruined those states. Move to a warmer, less expensive state with a generally slower pace of life with friendlier people? I know, I'll vote for the same things that make NY/CA a shit hole!
My impression lately is that most of those who leave CA are fed up Republicans. But for sure there are some Democrats who want to spend less money, so leave.
But they still vote for the same bullshit.
Dunno if those specifically were bots or not, but some accounts on twatter said they would gladly take $10 a gallon gas if it meant Trump wasn't in office. The problem with the normies is that they're fucking retarded. You have "parents" basically halting their kids' growth, injecting them with the wrong hormone for years, ruining their body and mind. You have other "parents" taking them to groomer story time, laughing and grinning the whole time. They're inadvertently participating in and furthering the grooming, and normalization of pedophilia. They cannot be helped.
I'm in CA. So this happens all the time and ...we have no clue how to stop it.
Sure you do. Why is Colorado a purple or even a blue State? Migration from California. Re-enforce the reddest State you can with enough Patriots and change the State Constitution in a manner so as to lock out opposing viewpoints basically forever.
No, migration from blue states is the excuse for more cheating. Florida stopped allowing cheating and it just gets redder despite the huge influx of NY migrants.
According to this article with 2018 data, Texas isn't very far behind California when it comes to Colorado migration. Florida, New Mexico and Virginia are three other states in the top 5.
" We have troubles all around us, but we are not defeated. We often don’t know what to do, but we don’t give up." 2 Corinthians 4:8
I’m not sure what we can do as Annons outside of her state. It seems to me the ball is in the court of Arizonans.
I just want to say I appreciate this post. Very level headed and good energy.
I agree. It’s one a the first in a while where I’m reading every comment.
The bar is set really high. We have to prove intentional malfeasance on the part of the state. It's not enough to show that negligence on their part led to disenfranchisement.
I think we'll continue like this until the fascist 50% of the populace finally have something to whine about. Whatever that may be.
Isn't it funny that we have to prove something that is almost impossible to prove to have any chance at accountability, but if you didn't know the speed limit or X/Y/Z law and you broke it unintentionally, you are held to full account?
Well put.
Yeah that judge is a POS, tossing 8 of 10 counts then setting those rules on the remaining. The fix is in....
She WILL lose. She'll appeal, all the way to the USSC. The real question is, what do we do when she loses (or isn't heard) at the last court?
This is correct. It is absolutely essential to the strengthening of the communist regime that LOGIC and EXPECTATION be decoupled from reality. They are gleefully rubbing their hands together at all the evidence being presented against Hobbs right now. The more the better. That way, when Hobbs prevails, it will be a maximum insult to the conscience of the good people expecting justice to prevail. That will take the good people one step closer to EXPECTING the bad people to "win", and that's one step closer to ACCEPTING it when they do.
Hence the proliferation of the newly invented term "election denier." It never existed prior to 2020. It isn't "the election" being denied; it's "the fraudulent election." We don't deny the election because we "lost"; we deny it because it was FRAUD.
Like happy merchants.
It'll be some variation of "lack of standing". Just like I'm prepared for the Brunson case to be laughed out of court because no one in their right mind is going to sign off on the complete dissolution of the current congress., even if they agree with the Brunsons.
That happened to us in our county. We elected someone who was not in the "club" and they disqualified him for lack of experience.
Stay informed (that's the being a digital soldier part)
Vote, even if the election is stolen. We wouldn't know what we know if patriots had just quit voting.
Pray. Daily.
Be prepared for the worst. Food, ammo, etc.
Be involved with your community locally. CAN'T STRESS THIS ENOUGH. Even if you just shovel your neighbor's sidewalk. When the opportunity arises among your neighbors and friends, you'll be able to fill them in when they ask (See 1.)
Haha, all the normies don't believe a single thing I say or don't care.
Lice and other vermin surreptitiously delivered to county election board homes would be a fun prank.
I honestly am curious what a wise or thoughtful answer to this issue as well.
It might even serve our purpose better if she loses. It's going to be appealed all the way up. At the same time, there are a solid percentage of normies who understand that AZ was either stolen or handled terribly. Two of my normie friends have conceded to me, that this time the fraud is not deniable. I think there are many in that bucket.
So, if she "loses", it will help those who see the fraud to understand how broken the entire system is.
When.
If? I fully expect her to lose. No way this judge has the balls. And, with just 5 hours of testimony, the case just couldn’t be made in the time allotted. I’m hopeful but not realistically optimistic. Abe’s case starts tomorrow. Maybe he’ll have more time or a more succinct presentation. Maybe she can appeal and reach a higher court?
What is our role in the plan? I can't say it can be answered simply. The way I see it is that "the plan" is hope....once we lose hope what else is there? With hope (the plan) we can dream, believe, and then achieve. Think about that.
In regards to kari losing there is no plan. Most here will look for the next hopium. If you live in Arizona and disagree with her loss then make your voice heard. But the way she is making news makes me think she is not disappearing any time soon. The media has now put trump, desantis, and lake in the spot light and the question should be asked why?
If Kari Lake loses, it brings us closer to military take over/tribunals since the Judicial Branch would be proven compromised.
I think a lot of patriots vastly overestimate their individual importance in the plan. We should be focused primarily on our families and loved ones and ensuring they are safe and taken care of. After that just staying informed and passing information on to others as needed. Stay engaged politically by voting in all elections and volunteering.
If you ever find yourself obsessing over "decodes" or trying to guess what the next step of "the plan" is or what you should be doing, you're doing it wrong. Not only is it unlikely to help, it may be harmful.
Focus on having a positive impact locally. Sure keep up to date and have some fun theorizing, but for the most part we should accept the plan will be revealed only in time and we may never see it all. You may never get some magical validation moment where someone confirms everything you ever thought. All we can do is continue on doing our best.
This! We wouldn’t be in this mess if They couldn’t destroy our families. We wouldn’t be worrying about genders or shots or child trafficking or any of that shit. We sure as hell wouldn’t be taking our babies to tranny story time. And if your kids don’t know about the central bank and the wars it causes you still Have work to do.
Hope for the best, expect the worst.
Review EXACTLY what mistakes were made in the gathering and presentation of evidence. Work to correct that in your AO.
Things I wish Olsen and Blehm would have pursued and argued more aggressively:
The fact that a large percentage of voters waited until election day is direct evidence of distrust in the current system. The public suspects the MC system is fraudulent and a re-do under a special master with strict rules would help settle this and rebuild trust (find legal precedents). Defense should have no problem with a re-do since Hobbs presumably won by a comfortable margin. Carefully but firmly show the vital importance of this case.
1/3 - 2/3 of centers misprinting 19" images on 20" paper is probabilistically way beyond anything that could have happened accidentally, meaning somebody intentionally made the changes. Were the printers or the ballot image laptops connected to the internet the night before election day? How easily could they have been manipulated? + follow up questions to try and discover the culprit(s).
Right at the end of his testimony yesterday, Richer categorically denied being involved in any PAC against Lake. Cannot this be shown fairly easily and then bring him up for perjury and totally discredit him and his team?
Jarrett says they are still conducting a root cause analysis and admitted shrink-to-fit at 3 centers. Ask how many man-hours are being devoted to this each day and why is it taking so long? Build a case for a slow walk cover up.
Diminish perceived strength of bipartisan reviewers in the chain of custody by mentioning the Republican party has clear splits over candidates like Lake and Trump, especially in Arizona. How are the bipartisan reviewers selected?
Obtain a spreadsheet of numbers from each voting center, including precise totals of the number of voters who showed up each day (especially election day), number of ballots printed, exact counts from each tabulator, drawer 3, spoiled ballots, provisional ballots, dropped off early ballots, etc. When a tabulator fails to read a ballot, is that counted somehow? Is the lifetime total counter incremented? Obtain all data from each tabulator memory card. Has chain of custody on these memory cards been maintained? Contact all voting location supervisors to verify the numbers. Examine all numbers carefully and drill down on discrepancies. How many and what percentages were ultimately adjudicated from each category of ballot?
Show a well-constructed and easily visible geographical heatmap map of all vote centers overlayed with proportion of registered Republican voters. Somebody (Baris?) reported seeing such a map in MC headquarters--obtain it as evidence and ask pointed questions.
Create a visual aid of each of the chains of custody and highlight every link that is questionable, especially chains that involves Runbeck. Are the packets or ballots in the "vault" under 24/7 bipartisan surveillance? In which places are "seals" easily broken and replaced?
Richard Baris' rambling and talkative style appeared to flummox the defense. But be ready in closing to very clearly state and support his estimated range of disenfranchised voters.
In the hearing on Monday, make absolutely sure laches is not applied to signature verification (Count 3) by claiming the defendants did not follow the existing procedure as per testimony of the level 1 witnesses.
Also on Monday, tie the First Amendment and Twitter evidence to Hobbs' duty to run a "free and fair" election in her role as Secretary of State, and really hammer home the apparent impropriety of her running her own election.
Vastly underrated post. I'm always surprised that legal teams don't have people to scan social media and use crowd sourcing to identify weaknesses and to strengthen their case.
I don’t see why the average Arizonain or a 100,000 Arizonains couldn’t file a class action lawsuit against the state.
You really don't believe she will win---in our justice system? Even if this judge rules with Kari, I am sure it will be appealed. I hope for the best but expect the worst.
Right now we are all about exposing the corruption, and understanding how deep the rot goes. If she loses, it really does nothing more than expose how deep the corruption goes.
They expect us to use fake ballots, the equivalent of yellow and pink monopoly money, they have hundreds of people with the same address on the voting roles, dead people on the voting rolls, more votes cast then registered voters, or in some cases more votes cast than citizens, days and weeks to count votes. And that's the obvious stuff, not what Kari Lake is showing in court.
At this point if there is someone who doesn't realize the elections have been rigged, when there are no safeguards at all, they are willfully corrupt themselves, that would include the judge, and any happy Trump / Lake hater.
Op: she’s going to lose. The whole operation seems to be to show the corruption in the face of obvious fraud. It’s all over our nation. From the stock market, to elections to judiciary.
Whatever happens in AZ is part of the plan. No name, Sessions, Doocey, etc… have all acted exactly like Q described when patriots are in control somewhere. I think Hobbs might be a plant by the Q side to show just how blatantly obvious the fraud is. It wouldn’t surprise me one bit if Lake loses….the military is the only way and it has to be shown just how deep the corruption goes before the MIL-CIV alliance is strong enough for Q34 to happen
They want you divided. They want you labeled by race, religion, class, sex, etc. Divided you are weak [no collective power]. Divided you attack each other and miss the true target [them].
My guess is that there will be an appeal either way.
Remember that the end goal here is that we are free people and not controlled by governments or corporations.
Building up your self, your family, and your community is the best you can do, regardless of government and corporate doings.
Do you get along with your family? Do you have potlucks with your friends? Do you grow a garden and raise chickens? And minimize your reliance on the globalist food system? Are you physically fit and healthy? Flexible and strong? What if the power went out, how smoothly would your household handle it? When shit goes sour, do you stay calm and collected? Have you overcome your addictions?
These are the things we all need to be focusing on. Those are the accomplishments that will make you free and not easily kept in chains.
Love this. Thanks
If any crowds form it will have a bunch of Patriot Front douchebags and a bunch of feds magically appear in the crowd. Then you'll have Lincoln Project khaki wearing torch bearers show up. There will be so many fake protesters (like people saw outside the vote counting place) that soon the crowd will be only 10% real AZ citizens.
We don't do anything except point out the fact that the courts are corrupt. If everything within the system is corrupt the system cannot be saved. We are being shown that we have to reset the system back to the original constitution. Exactly what President Trump has been saying all along.
Same thing you are doing.
Lol @ Replies in this thread:
u/#nancypox
"Are we supposed to get more popcorn?"
u/#glowie
What is our role?
Research Gen. Flynn and what he advises us to accomplish.
u/#MindBlown
It’s a fair and honest question that must be asked. A plan with no contingencies is no plan at all and as the day if you fail to plan you plan to fail!
True. For example we have been witnessing, for over two years, contingency plans that had been very carefully and strategically built into the overall Plan to Save the World.
Regardless of who wins you can bet it will be appealed..
One simple solution, give these other people no rest day and night creatively, day after week after month no rest, wherever they go, whatever they do, it’s gonna take more energy than were used to, but we must muster the endurance.