I need some help fleshing this out. Feel free to add to it.
Acting Secretary of the Department of Defense Chris Miller thanked VP Pence for efforts in "most complex military operations this country has ever conducted".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-jxqwTWkuw
Miller to VP Pence: “We’ve been through some stuff. We’ve gone through some of the most complex military operations this country has ever conducted...thank you for your leadership... character... selfless service...”
That was December 2020. Three weeks later Pence certified the 2020 election, and the aftermath of that was the passage of the Electoral Count Reform and Presidential Transition Improvement Act of 2022. That act specified that the vice president's role at the joint session of congress to count electoral votes is ministerial and that he or she cannot solely adjudicate disputes over electors.
https://ballotpedia.org/Electoral_Count_Reform_and_Presidential_Transition_Improvement_Act_of_2022
That bring us to 2024, and now Kommublabla is VP and will be presiding over the joint session of Congress to certify the election. ECRPTIA has effectively neutralized the VP in any disputes arising from the count. We know the demonrats have something up their sleeve and are waiting to strike. They've been too quiet since Tuesday but have made it clear they will pull every dirty trick to not certify the election. I'm wondering how ECRPTIA plays into their scheme.
We've debated whether Pence is a white hat, black hat, or gray hat. If this is all part of the plan, I'm of the mind he's a gray hat who leans white. We know he was aligned with Paul Ryan at one point. However, we've seen plenty of people come out of the dark into the light. Maybe he's one of them but has stayed behind the scenes?
Anyway, my thoughts on this are kind of scattered and I find it difficult to assemble the pieces. What say you, my fellow frogs?
I think Pence is a White Hat. Secretary of Defense Chris Miller saying that to Pence was to me one of many confirmations of The Plan and an early one for me. Miller's military background is SpecOps. Clearly put in place before end of Trumps 1st term to install ground work for CoG, implement EOs and President in exile details. Pence played his role. Now if we want to debate Pompeo, he is much more of a question mark to me.
I could maybe buy that except all the rumors of pedophilia while he was IN governor.
Back in the heat of the moment in Jan 2021, I remember reading a heartbroken Neon Revolt post the day before Jan 6 that Pence would betray Trump at the last minute. Neon said his source told him that Pence was a closet homosexual who preferred young teenage boys, and the DEMs, knowing this weakness, had honeypotted him with a teenaged boy and had video and photos as blackmail material. This blackmail operation had occurred when Pence was still living in Indiana (as Governor, perhaps?). The DEMs threatened to expose Pence unless he cooperated on Jan 6.
One other thing - I recall seeing emails or text messages between the Paul Ryan and the Pence camp during the RNC Convention in 2016 where Ryan was conspiring to unseat Trump as the Republican nominee and replace the Trump-Pence ticket with a Ryan-Pence ticket. Fortunately, Team Trump caught wind of the planned “coup” and scuttled it before it could gain traction.
Summarized version? Being generous, I’d say Pence was a gray hat. Absent that generosity, I’d call him a weak, traitorous scumbag.
However… in the end (as far as that can be currently framed), it all worked out for the better. DEM and Deep State governance (under Biden) went from being hardly noticeable to the average Joe Blow to becoming bat-shit insane to everyone. And the result? Trump 47!
I'm with you, for the same reasons, plus- The Fly Knows. Grey hat at best.
I can’t get over his wife getting an envelope at Bush Sr. funeral
I'm not saying he is a white hat, but if he was, his role was to play a black hat. Part of that would have been his wife getting an envelope. The Art of War boils down to deception.
Wondering if she honeypotted him for gain at the behest of the dems. What has she been up to since?
Good call. Very true
Thanks for the reminder fren, that was very damning indeed! Gray hat at best, confirmed.
Amen, great point.
yeah that guy on YT accused Pence of pedofilia back in 2015/16 and then died of cancer poisoning 6 months later lol so jury is out. Maybe he flipped who knows
Flipped makes him an asset though. I don't really see much redemption if even a fraction of that were true, and so not explicitly a white hat. Just an asset. An asset that presently is not supposed to be liked one way or another.
What Republican hasn’t been accused of pefophilia?
When this is all sauced out years from now I truly hope its shown he was a white hat playing a role all along. I see many more things pointing in this direction as opposed to it. At the same time he could very well just be a compromised pawn like many others in DC - always leaning towards good strong America first values until some blackmail something has him do something against character. We may never know.
I think he is definitely playing a role only because White Hats turned him. They had something on him. That’s probably why Trump put him in charge of Covid. They knew he was a weak player and would do whatever the DS wanted. So I’d say he’s not so much a WH but caught by the WH’s and must comply.
Honestly aside from Jan 6th he seemed just too stalwart and God fearing not to be playing a role. We know Trump had to lose, and what Trump tweeted about him right before it happened seemed intentionally cryptic for a reason. Time will tell.
Devil's Advocate because obviously this all speculation. What if pence and Miller were referring to the fedsurrection and are not white hats? I've heard or seen a few disparaging comments from Miller over the past few years seemingly directed at Trump. No sauce cause I can't find it atm.
Yes I remember reading a transcript from Jan 6 UnSelect committee. He was quoted as saying he wasn’t listening to DJT speech that day and said it in a very derogatory way, as if he thought DJT was a fool. But then he and Kash Patel corroborated story on Trump offering the NG for Jan 6. It’s all very confusing. Also I think I saw an interview once and he intimated his wife was a DEM. Like you, I heard and read things but cannot link the sources now. I don’t have the tech skills frankly.
I forget, who gave pence is challenge coin after certifying the election. I got the clip of it somewhere.
Pelosi and I do remember Pence looking a bit puzzled by it.
We can only imagine that the stuff they went through had to do with the preparation for the coming devolution.
Does this mean Pence was a WH ? Not necessarily. He could be BH and be believing he is undermining Trump and doing his job, while in reality he was being used by the WHs for their next phase.
Ever consider that the military operations Pence participated in was overthrowing Trump?
I find irreconcilable the premise that Q is real, that the DJT presidency was planned and supported by military intel, that DJT plays 5D chess, BUT that they also installed a black hat individual in to the most crucial secondary position - the one that would make Pence POTUS if anything happened to Trump.
Trump was blackmailed into making Pence VP? Nope
Trump was controlled by the Party to install a snake as No. 2? Nope.
Trump didn't know who Pence was? Nope.
None of these propositions make any sense to me, juxtaposed with what I know (or think I know) about Q and Trump and the Plan.
You do not put an evil snake into you most important backup position, which is what the VP position is. This is tantamount to putting everything you have worked for at the greatest possible risk. On a knife's edge.
There are lots of other data points that say to me that Pence is who I thought he was during the whole Trump Admin #1, and they might be debated, but the above I find to be irreconcilable with what I believe is the truth about Trump and Q.
Great point!
I agree that it is a risk to have a BH as VP.
However, if you wanted to track how the BH's communicate with each other and work on their evil plans, one might bring the enemy closer to see the details.
Trump had to know Pence was a BH when he colluded with the IC to get rid of Flynn as Trump's choice for National Security Advisor.
There were maybe two IC leaders that defied Obama's crew. Mike Flynn and Admiral Mike Rogers at the NSA.
Pence helped get rid of Flynn before inauguration in 2017.
Mike Rogers alerted Trump he was being spied on by Obama, Biden, and the IC at Trump Tower and Donald Trump moved his transition planning to his Bedminster GC.
Of did Trump and Team Q know exactly that the DS IC was doing, and they used the opportunity to run a sting operation with Pence, Flynn and others?
This is THE point that breaks the Pence narrative.
Either Trump is who we think he is, or Trump isn’t who we think he is. It isn’t possible to bail on Pence without bailing on Trump. At the very least he was somehow under full control.
That Trump May end up making peace in the Middle East has me more skeptical of things than anything Pence has done. However, “peace in the Middle East” is only what’s taught. Does scripture actually agree with that? It seems unlikely, but it is worth watching and being aware of. I believe we are somewhere in prophecy, but not 100% certain where. How many of us have gone through and tested all prophetic scriptures against claimed historic events and fulfillments, current events, and planned events? It would be an awfully convenient narrative to avoid peace in the Middle East for the adversary to put out the narrative that anyone who did so was the antichrist now, wouldn’t it? We can’t have peace without reality ending, and terrors everywhere!
The truth of the matter is, Satan will try and attack anything intended for good to flip it for evil, and God can turn anything intended for evil to be used for good for those who love Him.
We all have to get the planks out of our own eyes first, before anything else. Live as best as possible in the moment, always trying to hear and discern God’s will for us.
I don’t buy that either/or. The third possibility is Trump is who we think he is and he is not all powerful, so he had to make compromises along the way. I think it is clear this is true because if all the traitors his had surrounding him in the White House his first term. Trump has publicly admitted this
Trump had to address having traitors all around him for a few reasons.
One is because that question left a notable number of voters "on the fence" about Trump. I know people who are "Red Team" voters historically, but couldn't get over the question of how Trump had all of these lame ducks around him.
Another reason - from my perspective, was an acknowledgment, for anyone who needed it - that he is aware - and why they will be seeing him perform that process much differently this time.
BUT....
it's completely illogical to put his enemy in that most core, central position. We know that Trump used the scaramuchi model: putting DS actors in specific positions, knowing they were DS, in order to expose them. Then he kicked them out.
If Trump had been incapacitated in any way, then that make Mike Pence the top dog. That is an untenable situation, imo.
Not all powerful, yes, most certainly. But it makes no sense for the Q team or Trump to essentially put their enemy in the position to take over if anything goes wrong with DJT.
I don't see it as illogical at all. I see it as a calculated risk he had to take. The alternative is the theory that Pence is a super secret white hat. I just do not believe that.
Why? Why would it be necessary to put Satan as your second in command to take over if anything happened to you?
Who says he was Satan? Maybe he was a guy they were hoping would come around to the right side but didn't. Why did Trump appoint a traitorous asshole as his Chief of Staff? Why did he have a jealous dipshit he shouldn't have trusted as his Secretary of Defense? Hell, he gave Omerosa a job. She then went on Celebrity Big Brother and slammed Trump.. He has admitted he had blindspots in his hiring process when first elected. He has cited this as the one thing he wishes he could go back and change. I don't see why it is so mind bogglingly difficult for believe Pence could fit in this category. He is either Satan or a secret white hat hero the way people present it.. A classic false dichotomy.
OK.
"Maybe he was a guy they were hoping would come around to the right side but didn't"
yeah, nah. Just my view. I don't think there is any way that the WH operation could put a bad actor, or even a questionable one, in that very key position.
Someone like Sec Def (Bolten), or chief of staff I do not see as being as crucial and critical a position as VP. Those positions can be fired by the Chief Executive, but VP an only be removed by impeachment, if I understand things correctly.
"Satan" was hyperbole, reserved for those that think Pence is a DS scumbag pedo. The dichotomy is unnecessary. But I still cannot reconcile the premise that Pence was a scumbag or even a questionable player. Far too critical a position. IMO.
What if he was put in the 2 spot to keep the DS calm? Trump was always protected, but also gave DS hope Pence could take his spot if they could get to Trump.
I believe Pence's wife received an envelope in part to make the other BHs think that Pence was a BH plant, and could be trusted.
Notice she was the only one who never read it.
Even the Black Hats dance to the tune and play their scripted role - whether they want to or not!
I love reading theories when im eating a mcmuffin and drinking an iced cofee in this mcdonalds parking lot 🤣
Did Trump serve you the food?
Is that you, Bob?
🤣
Missed opportunity to write "my 2 cents."
(Pence is a plural form of penny)
They have dirt on him..I'm going with grayish. Probably cut him a deal
Ive been watching the guy too. I've been neutral for a long time.. but it was earlier this year when i realized that the things he was saying and doing said '100% RINO' and so my view on the guy changed to that.
Some anons here are going to say he's a snake. I'm open to the possibility he was playing a role, but since my view changed on him this year or last, it put me into an 'idc what this guy does now, but he has to do a lot to prove he's not bad'. Compare this to the average person i meet, where the assumption is they're good and they don't have to do anything to prove they're not bad.
I can’t see him being a good guy because it seems at every opportunity he’s bashing Trump.
Mike pence. A trans hat. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Ill see myself out
Lol. Or an Ass Hat🤣
Lions, tigers and bears! Oh, MY!
Pence is a POS. He worked with Brix and Fauci on the AIDS scam for PEPFAR.
He put poison into people. Pence was used at best.
If he testifies against Brix, Fauci for either AIDS or COVID-19 I will change my mind.
Pence = Snape🐸
Wait, is this because Trump is Dumbledore and Pence (politically/metaphorically) killed him in helping to ratify the vote, or is this because Trump is Harry Potter and Pence’s entire life since high school has been warped by being madly in love with Trump’s mom?
If Pence hadn't been installed by the RNC, I might go with WH. So I think he was a plant to spy on Trump. I have a recollection of him never being around for anything important, or pictures in the Q drops. I also think he was instructed to play ball, was kept out of anything sensitive regarding the Q plan, and was used to feed intel to the enemy. That military statement at the end could easily have been a message to the DS that Pence was in on everything, and a message to us to back off on being too harsh on the guy. I'm going with gray.
My $0.02
Allegedly Mike Pence was the one that had General Flynn arrested
He's a Fuckin TRADER,He's DISLOYAL,he didn't do his job as president of the Senate by not sending the Questioned Election Fraud/Anomalies Affidavits to the Senate for a ten day Investigation brought forth by Senator Ted Cruz of the Great State of Texas,and then the planned FEDSURECTION took place,so he's a POS HAT,Brown i would say.
100% 👍🏻
*traitor
my bad,thanks
He's a day traitor. At night he's 2 legit to quit.
Great theory and we just might find out this is true. I think we may all be totally shocked at who we thought were bad actors, but really just part of the overall game.
I've gone back and forth on Pence being a white hat. My biggest negative is that his wife got an envelope at 41's funeral....that wouldn't make sense...
great reminder about the envelopes at the funeral. i keep forgetting Pence's wife got one.
Wonder why he didn't tell what was in it
I think that was a deception perpetrated by the WHs to make the BHs think he was one of them.
I really don't care. If he is worth having around trump will have him back if not he will fade into obscurity.
I would love to see Mike Pence celebrating at the parade. It would add a lot of depth to the over arching theory.
Just popped in to say "fuck Pence" ...carry on!
I’m still in the suspected white hat camp. Time will tell.
Consider at lease that Mike has been ‘replaced’ in some form. It is credible that Trump HAD to accept him as a vp in order for the DS to allow Trump to run under the Republican ticket. It’s an absolute mindfuck, these replacements. Ie we know Fetterman has been replaced. Shit, I’m thinkin JD may have been also. Very confusing times but clarity cometh soon 🙏🏼✝️🔥 it seems the WHs are slowly flipping the script by replacements. BUT how do I reconcile the DS people who know the replacement before/after? Ie “Wow, Mike is ‘acting’ a little strange lately- did you notice”? 😂 Godspeed Patriots 🫡
IMOP My comment yesterday, concerning the mysterious letter that President Trump gave during Bush's funeral, was his message to all the Satanist gathered there that day, that he successfully cleaned the ' Deep State'. Bushes, Clintons, Obama, Cheney and 'Judas' Pence. "Nothing can stop what's coming"!
Pence has gay skeletons in his closet and was subject to blackmail. His actions on J6 were based on his fear of being outed, not his constitutional power as VP.
Or since part of the plan was to have 2020 intentionally stolen...per Q saying "it had to be done this way" meant he had to play the role of the bad guy
So Mike is saying that God guided Trump's win.
Mike Pence @Mike_Pence “I have lived a long time and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth -- that God governs in the affairs of men.” Benjamin Franklin (June 28, 1787) 1:51 PM · Nov 7, 2024 · 373.9K
Interesting. To me Mike sold off his soul for a bag of silver. I look at this whole thing as They get to decide on how They get destroyed.
My source would be Act 5:39 and other Biblical Principles. I still believe part of the evil side was to turn USA against God. Still is. They know more than the sleeping Christian and ignorant American when it comes to reality of God existing. See they know if God is against the USA — IT will fall. It is Gods algorithm of how much Salt is required to not destroy. Even the most evil read the Bible and study it. Evil is less selfish than many people who deny this reality and claim they are a Christian. Even me. I am weak. God is the key and it is a choice. We are free in the USA.
-But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God.
There’s allegedly a gospel of Judas stating he was given the most trusted and difficult job of betraying Jesus.
Damn you Mike pence. Which Judas Iscariot are you?!
Pence had a future role to play in not certifying the election. Think mirror. If Pence certifies despite the deep state knowing he's a white hat then he was doing it for a future event; like now. The were creating the precedent setting legal tools necessary to properly defend Kamala from doing what we already suspect she will try and do.
Pence also muddled the waters. They purposely made white hats seem like black hats and flipped black hats to become white.
Bc the the deep state doesn't operate like clandestine terrorist cells but as an open body - the council of 300. When you start flipping ppl inside the organization it becomes impossible to not suspect everyone. The paranoia begins to spike and ppl start to not trust the ppl they once trusted, everything is spiraling and like any passionate violent crime, they will make yuge mistakes.
We don't need to divide people so strictly into white, black or grey.
If Trump is considered pure white and maybe someone like Obama is considered pure black (no pun), then the rest of the gradient can simply be controlled via selective information.
Just think of how confident a plan has to be to allow massive fraud in 2020 and allow the votes in 2024 to reveal it. That's 4 years of everything going right. The plan is foolproof imo.
Mike Pence played his role and he did it well (and betrayed Trump quite publicly), so we're just happy he was in the role. If more comes out, I'll react then.
I think possibly when they gamed this, the only legal path the Democrats had to blocking Trump was through the weakly defined rule on a VP's power to certify. Thus, they had to codify a countermove through the ECRPTIA. Patriots in control. Panic in DC.
After seeing how many people have woken up out of the matrix and come over to our side after seeing through the fake news and Democrat party, I'd say the eleciton steal was indeed a planned sting and a much needed crucial period.
So having Mike Pence play his role and refuse to send it back and expose the fraud is exactly what needed to be done in hindsight. It was just too painful to see at the time. So MP might be a WH after all. I mean Trump did praise him afterwards in a way...
Unless President comes out and lays out all the people who really helped and tell us they played their part to perfection. I trust none of them. They are tradious snakes.
Pretty sure Pence was switched out before being chosen as running mate. Callsign SAM kept showing on his flights if I remember correctly...
From Trump's 1/6 speech: And I actually, I just spoke to Mike. I said: "Mike, that doesn't take courage. What takes courage is to do nothing. That takes courage."
There's more going on here than we know.
that's a really interesting twist. hadn't thought of that, but taking the VP out of the game this time round could prove very beneficial.
Although, it would be a hard sell for Harris to try to go against the obvious will of the people as we saw on election day.
I think Pence is a White Hat and Vance is Black.
Who cares. He is politically dead. Probably got used by both sides, then discarded, like any double agent.
want to theory craft... what can they do??
send different group of electors to vote for Harris.
stall the process at Congress
start a war (foreign / civil)
start a pandemic
arrest Trump
keep counting votes
start riots
... which theory you wanna go down?
These people are either white hats acting a part or black hats. I don't think there's any third category anymore. President Trump is too smart for that.