This thread is causing anguish to some while resonating with a lot more people.
I humbly request people who want to respond to this to read this fully.
I will start off saying that while OP (u/GoingCamaro) raises very valid point about this movement being a worldwide movement and when the Awakening happens a lot of people will be in deep shock because their world view is black and white just like a lot of normies.
However, I do believe this post would have better resonated with everyone if it acknowledged and empathised with the fact that white people have been targeted and demonised and "racism" has been weaponised for way too long.
I also believe that those people getting triggered by this post are not necessarily racist. Infact, I would go so far as to say most are not racists. I think the real triggering aspect is the fact that the entire mainstream has been against them for so long and this post happens to call out white people wanting to isolate themselves very specifically.
OP has pointed out very well that a lot of problems such as higher crime rate in ethnic communities are actually caused by the Cabal and these communities are in fact victims of the Cabal as well. I agree with this wholeheartedly. We have to always see who the real enemy is, and the tools used by enemy are not our enemy. They are our brothers and sisters who hopefully will Awaken soon.
However, OP specifically called out white people wanting to isolate themselves into their own community, equating it to racism - without similarly acknowledging that this is caused by the Cabal as well, and they are as much the victims of Cabal's divide and conquer as the ethnic communities we talked about before. I think this was a great omission causing a lot of heartache.
As a person of color who has experienced racism in 3 continents myself, I have no hesitation in saying racism is much like "Qanon" a divisive term coined by the media that serves no real purpose.
What most people refer to as "racism" is actually "racial prejudice" - and it's a very natural thing, because we evolved as tribal beings. Most of the times just being exposed to interactions with members of different "races" is enough to take away the prejudices. Some prejudices cannot be helped. I myself has prejudices against my own race and I work hard to ensure I don't perpetuate the very same myself.
Does racial prejudice justify anyone from hurting any person based on their skin color? Absolutely not. However, is it a crime to think of different set of people differently? No, it's natural and is reflected by the sum total of our experiences. I always keep wishing that people of my own race behave themselves better setting up a better stereotype as more people interact with them.
Also, let me be clear - I respect the choices of any people wanting to isolate themselves, its part of freedom of expression, as long as they dont hurt or needlessly allow others to be hurt. I would love them the same as I love any other human being in this world, and I understand why sometimes communities thrive when there is a common cultural foundation.
I guarantee that most people who want to isolate themselves would actually prefer to be with others who share their world views regardless of their skin color, especially post Awakening, once the divisive effects of the Cabal is removed from the equation.
I sincerely thank GoingCamaro for creating that thread and appreciate their intention, even though the execution could have been better ;)
I am going to lock that thread since I think it has run its course.
WWG1WGA
Society created racists by accusing innocent people of... Ready for it? Being racist!
This breeds resentment.
The other side has been told we are racists and resent them, causing... Ready for it? Victimization!
This entitles them.
That's all this is
I'll flatly claim to be racist, not in the sense of hate (I dislike most people, almost as a default) but more in the sense of "you look out for your best interest and I will mine.
When 13% (well closer to 3%) of black people commit more than half the crime, it is ALSO in my best interest for black families to be strong, that alone will draw people away from gang life.
This is a wide topic still.
Exactly. If I see a black male I don't know with his pants half-way down his ass, you bet I'm keeping two fingers on my grip.
Likewise, if I see a Jew running for office, I am going to assume they're going to push socialist-commie policies.
It's purely a statistical move based on past behaviors, unchanged for hundreds of years within certain demographics.
Or opposite, I've had to work under minority supervisors or bosses, it's never something I've held against them unless they start making decisions that suggest ineptitude.
Race has never been an issue for me, but it clearly is an issue for other people, but it's if a guy is dressed like a thug then I will assume they are as well. The race is less important of a factor.
I agree. It’s the character of the person and not the race of the person that counts. I had bosses that were black and were awesome to work for. They showed no bias or hate for any other race. They treated the people working for them according to their characters as workers. Some of the best officers I worked for in the Navy were black. I also had a few that weren’t good to work for, just like with whites and other races. I had workers that worked for me that were black and Mexicans that were loyal hard workers, some weren’t but most were. I had whites that were loyal and hard workers too with some not being so also. It’s the individual person that matters when determining their character.
I take each person I meet or interact with based on their own merits. We've gotten so far away from character. We've been divided into race or class or whatever suits the narrative for too long. It's ridiculous anymore. We all bleed the same color red.
I couldn’t agree with you more.
Except when it comes to crime rates and voting for communism lol.
IQ plays into the equation more than most will admit.
Ohh, the taboo subject of IQ by ethnicity. You're not allowed to research that.
Because "racism."
It really does, but that also plays into the portions of the world, as in places where just knowing the food, water, shelter and knowing the dangerous animals covers a great deal of their survival skill requirements.
Where places with inhospitable times of year it requires larger thinking to plan survival. It just so happens that having to plan has extra benefits where the surpluses start putting the survival time over multiple harsh seasons and fewer resources are needed to maintain.
Extrapolate those varying paths a few thousand generations and it makes a sort of sense. Not in a better or worse sense nearly as much as the required skills. Not much different if you lived on a beach and only needed to cast a net for food, there's less motivation to push for more.
Africa has a perpetual population dying from drinking dirty water.
Sand filtration fixes that and if not fix it entirely, massively ameliorates it. In the areas that are plagued by bad water all the people have, at all, is sand, and water. Yet they never figured out pouring water through sand. I'm not interested in sending my taxes to these people and if that makes me racist so be it.
[African trying to fill a laundry basket with tap water.png]
Interesting take, seems plausible.
Everyone is 1 generation away from a big bump tho bc fetal nutrition and sensation of safety lower infant iq
Probably why they want us eating gmo microprocessed trash for adults/kids and formula for babies
80% of violent gun crime is due to gangs. 80 fucking percent.
And the powers that be want to limit our rights because this group has the propensity to shoot each other.
LOL not taking my rights because others are incapable of responsibly handling them. Fuck that.
Hey that's because law enforcement is racist!
I agree with this. Like I said, the term "racism" is a term invented by the Cabal to create division. I for one, am thankful for all the westerners who welcomed me with open arms and provided the opportunity to succeed and thrive.
The first time I started hearing the word racism thrown around was after Obama took office and I had already moved from US to Australia, and was really puzzled because it made no sense whatsoever. I had experienced more "racism" in my home country than in US.
Only years later did I understand the role of the Cabal in this and then it all made sense.
"Racism" has been used in modern times to replace the true (uglier) term - bigotry, which is what most people mean when they refer to racism.
Racism is NOT 'hating someone because of the pallor of their skin' - racism IS believing in the inherent superiority of a particular "race" of peoples over another - based on skin color / genetics, etc...
They have done this because there does seem to be a race based / genetic link to certain desirable human qualities - as well as to certain un-desirable human qualities. THIS is not allowed to be discussed, so TPTB have conflated bigotry with racism.
That said, many thinking people could be classified as "racists" based on firm and valid research information - and bigotry, that TPTB push on society on a daily basis does - for the most part - NOT EXIST in modern society. I'm sure that there certainly ARE some true bigots out there, but not anywhere near the #s we are told they are (ie - the "ALL whites are racists/bigots" theme pushed by TPTB)
No the term wasnt created to create division. It was created by "them" to create a victim card and a scapegoat for their endless crimes.
What do you call it then when government policy and culture norms tag team a whole people to write them out of market activity?
How about an example of this to help us get to the point?? I can think of red-lining for one.
Lol so you don't know even the most basic us history then?
Gotcha, goat.
So what is the word then for like when certsin races cant participate?
Exclusionary?
Ok, now, account for exclusion based solely on arbitrary racial origin...
A} Give me an example
B) where did I say nobody was racist?
Aren't you the guy who said the modern usage of the term created racists? So im asking what term then for belligerent racially minded regimes that exclude peoples from market and civic activity based on race?Bc that's regular us history
US history. You can't be serious. And what about tribalism that we all practice? It's innate.
Was the clearing out native Americans racist?
Was the slave trade racist?
I'll give you a hint: both were about more than race
Now if you're taking about segregating schools, that falls under the uneducated people who fell for the racist tropes that's put to them when they're young. That's what I was referring to in my initial post.
You certainly agree that actual racism is learned, not inherited at birth?
You're eh, clamoring there lol
You misspelled "faggot"
KEK!
I love that word and it's only because it makes Libtard heads explode. I say it just for the trigger response as an illustration of how words have so much power over people they can be controlled by it.
I can sum them up even better: fucking braindead.
Muh racism.
His post signaled to me that this site is being taken over by cucks. Fuck goingcamero.
It truly is, sadly. It's bound to happen.
It is sad. The amount of sites that aren't chucked are quickly diminishing to almost non existent. Theres no where else really to go. I would not have thought GA would have fallen to muh racism cucks, but to have 2 major posts about it now really is signaling to me that this site may already be compromised in terms of narrative and content or is now under way.
It’s silly, since most “racism” is borne from life experience and pattern recognition.
No. It's taught. And reinforced with human fragility and weakness. Being a racist is easy. It gives an easy excuse to not have to get along with people.
The type you're thinking of usually keep to themselves and discuss mainly their experiences, but also clearly state their experiences are not the sum of the whole. Yes there are issues and talking about them is fine. Judging others for them is not.
You are wrong. You haven't seen what others have seen. You are uninformed. Go get a job and quit stirring up dvision.
Camero is a racist jew whos watching his victim card expire.
I deported him repeatedly in that thread he broke many site rules
Agreed, and i have as well. but it will probably just get us banned. "They" are protected, especially on this site. Any criticism is strictly prohibited.
What site rules did I break specifically?
You threatened violence, you verbally assaulted anons constantly, you were off topic, and you dissed trump. Read your own posts.
Camero is a verbally abusive asshole who is being protected by mods. Deported more than once only to see him verbally abusing other anons 2 hours later.
You put it a little more blunt than i did, but i totally agree. Why are jewish members protected by mods and allowed to bash on everyone here. He runs around like he is a mod.
Verbal abuse. Lol. Maybe the internet isn't for you.
Most of are mad because when you try to dish it back I just shrug my shoulders. I can teach you if you wish to learn.
You need to.go back to reddit
We've had this round and round before. Hes got me banned twice for "muh racism", even though i've only ever posted facts and links. He brings up white supremacy every time as a last defense.
Your religion specifically has a clause that allows the rape of children. Even mentions sodomy of a boy under 9.
https://www.sefaria.org/Sanhedrin.54b.21?lang=bi&with=all&lang2=en
How are those facts for you?
Prove it.
Panic, i can smell it. Israel for last...
Okay Scott. Now tell us that no one could have known the vaccines wouldn't work and that you're glad Trump lost.
"Cognitive dissonance" is Mr. Dilbert's favorite term for "People who disagree with me."
No offense to GoingCamero, but the post could have just read "e pluribus unum" without all of the drama. While I may agree with the Camero's sentiment, it reads a bit like virtue signaling chasing upvotes.
And now we have mods and users distracted and will be talking about this for days/weeks.
He did what he intended to do.
Camaro has set off my spidey senses many times on this site since they began posting this time last year.
Mostly due to the plethora of doom and call to action posts that up until recently, said user posted ad nausem.
Im not sure if they are just a butthurt r/TD longhauler who was new to this research community and didn't know when to lurk and keep their trap shut or if that user has some sort of agenda or incentive to participating here...
Probably the former... We got tons of them around this time last year due to GAW/TD being obviously compromised (fun fact, TD was mod comped dating back to Jan 2017) and voat shutting down (RIP).
Regardless, I usually dismiss anything camaro says as unimportant and fruitless bs. This latest post is slide tier distraction at best, and the fact OP has rekindled it is just increasing the size of the sliding snowball.
Totally false. Here's me calling out one of your attempts to rabble rouse, and I quote, "lock&load"...
Yeah, it's not exactly one time. He completely reminds me of that one user Anaconda on Patriots.win.
Insane similarities.
Don't know who that is. There are no coincidences, but... In the case, however.
That's not true at all. I've specifically called out doomers. And unity is incompatible with "racial" prejudice. That's basic objective fact. You're welcome to dispute and disagree. I will never and have never deported someone for that.
Op is a mod on pdw. He was bragging about banning people who were pointing out that all the people who got KYLED were chosen people during the trial.
It's virtue signaling brain dead msm everything is racist drivel.
His post could be simply have been "play nice with others".
This site is dying.
I sadly agree
Lol. With all the lively discussion, this place is thriving, CNN.
None taken. I worded it to call out people's misplaced focus. I clearly said it's unacceptable all around. People missed it cause they felt personally attacked instead of reading the post calmly and rationally.
The sooner people learn to not let baseless accusations effect them the sooner the media stranglehold will cease. The reason they keep pushing it is partially because people keep reacting.
Reactioneers stop when your reaction consists of shrugging your shoulders and moving no.
No, I'm not doing another post like that if ever again. I made my points and I hope the overall impact was positive or at least is in the long run.
Hmmph- racism has no race or creed. A bigot is a bigot and I absolutely resent this person stereotyping people who are white. I do not think it was well intentioned but poorly executed. I think it is a deliberate attempt to divide the community. CRT - Smollett - BLM - Noosegate. All propaganda designed to make the Caucasian the villain. Yet this individual doesn’t once mention the Christmas parade massacre, the atrocities in China with the Uyghur, and and the brutality of the taliban against women.
There is no reason- other than causing divide.
Q said that they want to divide us by race too. I doubt they would agree with some of the beliefs in this thread.
This. It's the usual msm "muh racism [then specifically points out], white supremacy" brain dead drivel that everyone up until now on this board has been above.
Imo anyone with the 'muh racism' should be kicked the fuck off this board and goto reddit. We're smarter than this brain dead everything [white people] is racist bull shit.
GA officially has cancer and will die soon enough. These posts signaled it.
I agree. When it was overly apparent some mods were pushing well known pay-triot streamer shills and then started ban hammering those who called the material for what it was, that's what really stood out to me that this site is comped to some degree.
Lol, and then those aforementioned mods had the audacity to suggest they have access to top secret back channel info & resources.... Well, shit! In that case, here just take all of my money Charlie Wart & Juan O'Shillin!
If everyone was "above it" then no one would have said anything and my post would have gone unnoticed.
I think it's just proactive measures to prevent stormfags from overtaking us
There's no denying the 87% are different. Caucasians, Asians, Europeans, non indigenous Hispanics, physically and intellectually are simply on another level than the 13%
We can't allow the left to forever divide us though. The mistakes of the past made sure the 13% will never not exist
We need to create a country and environment where there are more Ben Carsons and Kanyes than George Floyds. We need black pedes/anons to step up in their communities and we need black dads to BE DADS or else these kids need to be adopted to other race dads who will actually give a damn
And we need to support our black Americans in this endeavor. Not get upset because the MSM makes baseless accusations.
I didn't mention the lynching of Emmitt Till either. I said what you said, just worded it in a way that people took as a personal offense because they still take personal offense from MSMs baseless accusations.
No you specifically called out Caucasian race - if you hadn’t done that we may have found common ground. I have no tolerance for gaslighting. It seems YOU are the racist one. What do you have against white folks?
America is a particular case. In Europe they are flooding every country with people the locals do not want, it CREATES racism. No great diversity = no racism. I like tourism, but mass immigration (remember nobody wants it) is simply an act of vandalism. A return to nation states that have immigration policies the people actually want is probably my biggest hope for a post-cabal world. This is true respect for the different people of the world, in my view. Globo-homo literally wants to obliterate diversity and end up with a culture-less morass of blended ignorant people.
Being unkind to people is not something I support, but in my view you eliminate that by showing respect, and mass immigration and forced cohabitation of hostile diversity is not respect and is very unkind to the host and the hapless immigrant trafficked there for a life of drudgery and strife.
The great awakening will reduce racism, I hope by ending mass immigration policies, and I also think repatriation from Europe for the Africans/Arabs etc is completely appropriate and should be seen as a remedy that reduces racism, rather than being "racist" as a view and a hope.
Ever watch the Olympic opening ceremonies?
Every Arab country is Arab. Every black country is black. Every Asian country is Asian.
Then you get to white countries (particularly the U.S. and large countries in the EU) who with open arms have accepted every skin color and who were raised not to see skin color, the same countries who have bent over backwards accommodating every skin color while neglecting their own have then been deemed the major racists, the dangerous ones, the wHiTe sUpRemAcIsTs, the terrorists... etc...
Yet every Arab country is Arab. Every black country is black. Every Asian country is Asian.
That's impossible though. Europeans came to America (USA, Canada and Mexico) and they all brought slaves, they all ----ed natives, and they all took culture/traditions from them. If the Europeans had no slaves and the single men would have not been so horny to overlook their "racism" there would be no diversity. Also, if the British had been able to resist trade with China and India, you'd have even less diversity. A Protestant, "white" only America was always impossible
There's also the big elephant in the room. Italian, Irish, Spaniard, Portuguese, they were all considered other races, if we had strict Saxon/Anglo/Gaelic only immigration think of how much of our people wouldn't be here period.
I'm not ok living in an America where mick, wop, and spic are still daily vernacular.
Careful logic and facts can trigger people. As they should.
There is an effort to remove whites, but it will go over as well as all other attempts at eugenics: it will fail. Most people in the world just want to live their lives.
Why does that matter though? The issue is that they dont hang up their cultures at home and pick up American culture when they show up. They gather up in these ghettos and try and recreate their homeland in America. If the countries breakdown was 30% white, and the rest other races, but all the other races were actually based Patriots, instead of what we have now, why would it matter that whites are a minority? Just because you like seeing people who look like you? I dont get it
Go back to the 60s, blacks had just as good families as whites, fast forward to 2022 their culture has been destroyed throughout the last 50 years and now they have less families and more criminals then other races.
Who would you rather be friends with? A based black family from the 60s, or a family of white woke lefties from today?
If we deported every single person of color and a bunch of white lefty Swedes and Germans came in who wanna teach your 5 year old to masturbate and take away oil production to be more green, and start doing all the other stupid European stuff, would it be better simply because its white people?
Its all culture dude, and white people arent immune to shit cultures.
Except there is no magic dirt so magic dirt theory has been debunked.
Yeah we all fell for it in the ‘90s but look around you now. Is there a single white country on earth that has improved by importing huge numbers of third world people? Name one.
If they don’t exist, and dumping millions of third worlders on every white nation leads to weaker nations for white people, then magic dirt theory is wrong. It sounds nice, but it doesn’t work that way. Demographics are destiny, as far as history shows.
The issue is there was never any effort put into selecting immigrants that mesh with American society and have our values, im not saying that immigrants can magically change their culture by stepping America, Im saying there are people out there who love American culture more then their own, they should be the American immigrants.
Regardless im im favor of fixing countries problems rather then immigration, and it wasnt right what the DS has done desttablizing countries, but you guys are acting like the only based people are whites, when 60 years ago blacks were way more based then anyone.
History is a complete lie, anything before 1900 is up for huge interpretation. Theres proof that whites were in Africa in the 1700s, living with the blacks in cities. The whole slavery narrative could be 100% made up, and guys like Jesse Lee Peterson can remember picking cotton and it being great. Blacks "owned slaves" and there was white "slaves". Abraham Lincoln was literally assassinated on a stage, his booth was literally on the stage. History is a big ass story, and if you believe the official narrative your no smarter then a modern day CNN believer.
I think most of history that was taught is a lie. We've had it beat into us at such a young age about what historical truth is. Do we know anything about historical truth at this point? If the same people that rob humanity of basic livelihood are the ones writing the history books well.........
Interesting point of view, of which I had not considered. This created something of a paradoxical train of thought for me. One could argue that this is precisely how our country was created. I'm not saying we should all feel sorry about it, past is past and can not be changed, it just forms a small disconnect in my foggy morning brain. Native Americans fit into this discussion too. I am curious your, and other's, thoughts.
This country was settled by immigrants pioneers and settlers that worked their asses off to tame the land.
In the cities later on, there were ethnic enclaves and people kept to their own, they still do that even nowadays. Everyone flocks to what is familiar and reminds one of home.
Little Spain, little Italy, Chinatown, little India in Jetsey City, etc.
And that's okay to do in those instances. That is an excellent example of cultural microcosms that act as a living museum and exchange of culture that anyone is welcome to and can experience.
Since you mention it, I myself am looking forward to visiting San Frans Chinatown again, once that city and state unfucks itself.
I agree, as a son of Spaniards I would favor finding someone close to me culturally that can celebrate the same things I celebrate with my folks and identify culturally with my roots back in Spain as I've spent many summers there and still have most of my family there.
And I take preference to that over finding say, a rural Saudi immigrant or someone from Ghana. I could befriend them, sure, but I still prefer being amongst the familiar. There are degrees of separation, too. Portuguese have a lot in common with northwestern Spaniards, as do many Italians.
I do like your living museum idea. Just like when I go to France I want to see France, not third world overtaking of a beautiful nation rich in history. There are towns where a French woman will not be served because it's all overtaken. In UK I saw videos of Muslims screaming Britain is THEIRS and jeering brits. It's a joke.
I am a firm believer in nationalism. That's what makes America special is it's the coming together of nationalities and respecting individual liberty and freedom. I love how many different sub-cultures exist in this country. Even the differences between Boston and New York are fascinating. It's what makes us great.
I believe in American supremacy. Anyone who holds the ideals of the Founding Fathers and respects other's Liberties is fine by me regardless of their skin color. It's the ideas that make this country great. Always have been.
But I am against the concept of no-go zones especially from foreign imports. That is wrong and must be stopped and no that doesn't make anyone a "racist".
We are in agreement then, fren :)
The indigenous problem is that they are isolationists and typically shun those who try integrate. That is their decision though it is in my view, wrong.
It also doesn't help that idiot leftists essentially finished what Jackson started, by removing native and indigenous symbols from education centers and pop culture... How fuck cool would it have been to have tribes do half time shows during Red Skins games or if high school classes featured courses on Native culture and taught hunting, fishing, farming and general appreciation of the land?
But NOOOOOPE! Gotta remove them completely. Jackson would be proud.
I like your thoughts. I feel the white/Indigenous paradigm is much deeper than we typically discuss.
Both sides of that argument failed... but there was also more than two sides at play. Genocide is NEVER the answer and anyone who promotes it is evil and must be stopped and convinced otherwise.
ANd yes, we need more honest discussions and we should try to at least preserve the history of their cultures. They certainly aren't blameless for what happened, however he have an opportunity to come together as Americans as right the wrongs.
I am against mass immigration as well, but I'm also not afraid of it either. Easy to say sitting on an arsenal of 1-10+ guns.
We need to remove the corrupt and possibly help other countries shape their Constitutions. Some will probably want European socialism and others will want particulars that may seem odd, but culturally make sense to them. As long as transparency is there and corruption removed they should be fine to do what they want.
But yes, I do believe in preservation of the nations and culture. Japan should remain Japan. You move to a country, you conform to its standards. Same as in the US, though we could use a refresher and reestablishment of the American standard.
Good points, the constitutions help thing had occurred to me too in the past, today they would probably call just offering the information some kind of oppressive supremacy or whatever. In reality a toxic and corrupt system throwing up crisis, making them happen to justify itself. Ah.
Exactly. When 16-36yo black males, who statistically are what, like literally only 3% of the total population and a quarter of the black population, commit well in execess of 50% of violent crime, then its a fucking problem. We can debate causation, but there is no government solution to the mess they helped create. Blacks gotta fix it. All the money and whitey's anti violence programs ain't gonna cut it. All this multicultural propaganda bullshit that's on the television in the form of tv shows and commercials does is get our white youth murdered by the violence prone half of the 3%. Our white youth do not learn street smarts or to protect themselves and let their guard down so as to not offend or be considered a "racist" around the 3%. Fuck this shit. I could write a book about all the white people that have been victims of this narrative that all blacks are good, blacks are victims, whitey is bad. Fuck that shit. Enough. I dont hate black people. I have to point this out because there are fucking morons who wanna label anyone who points out the statistically obvious as racist. Im just sick of seeing whites die at the hands of the 3%. People are naturally happier and more prosperous around their kind. Its a fact. Multiculturalism and globalism must end.
Thanks. Nothing wrong with loving your race AND other normal, nice, intelligent and prosperous members of society of other races. I freely admit there are plenty of retarded whites i'd love to kick off the proverbial island as well. But this anti white shits gotta stop.
But if a bunch of 1960s, based black people, who had stronger families then whites at the time, came to your white island and had all the exact same values, like the majority did in the 60s, would you kick them out?
You know the DS started with destroying black culture because they had the strongest families in America...
"Thanks. Nothing wrong with loving your race AND other normal, nice, intelligent and prosperous members of society of other races......"
I believe i basically answered your question. No. No I wouldn't. And Yes I know the left destroyed the black family unit. It is not my job to fix it. The black community has to unfuck what the demonRats did to them. They alone are the only ones that can fix it.
You dont have to fix it, but you should want to, thats the whole point of GAW. Theres a ton of white hooligans stabbing each ither day in and day out in England, do you wanna fix them? The truth of The Great Awakening will fic everything.Once people see that theyve been used as pawns, with 100% certainty, by absolutely terrible evil people most will just automatically wanna do the opposite.
No, i don't care to fix trash in whatever color it comes in. Our government has proven you can throw all the money and programs in the world at this problem and it gets no better. The black community and the black community alone are the only ones that can fix this issue.
This u/goingcamaro totally ignored the fact that the whitest states (democrat run) have the lowest crime. They also suggested a great reset so blacks can have equal opportunity ignoring affirmative action and many other leg ups blacks have received. Total nonsense without suggesting accountability. Trying to take the moral high ground without realizing he is treating blacks as inferior. Typical commie bs. Also the OP should quiet down as he's not white so his race isn't being currently genocided.
People like you also totally ignore the fact that Sweden and other European countries, all white ethnostates btw, have been subjected to a forced multiculturalism invasion by its own white government.
I'm aware of their predicament not sure if you meant that for me. But the forces that created the invasion in those previously white countries are NOT WHITE. They are infact citizens of a nation that DOES NOT allow immigrants.. It's truly heartbreaking. Flooded with low IQ inbreeding child molesting rapists that need handouts.
Are there not corrupt white people facilitating them? Or are we white people super special incorruptible people according to you and everyone committing evil is a joo?
Money corrupts. Who has control of the money
Correct. Which is why being an etnostate doesn't solve anything.
Also... Democrat run states have the highest crime...
I said everyone. Not just blacks. Poor whites and Hispanics have been screwed just as hard.
You are right I did not acknowledge those programs. I am against them too especially since they've done fuck all to help. There is one "simple" solution to most of our problems and that's restoration of the nuclear family. That is a black and a white problem more than any other sub culture in this country.
Black people also pay taxes for it. Even the ones that aren’t involved in that stuff
Uh, no shit. Even the ones that ARE involved in that shit involuntarily pay taxes on their Black & Milds, gas, sales taxes, etc. What's your point? Read all of what I wrote if you think I'm racist. I specifically address that for you in the back.
You got any data to support those claims?
I'm more comfortable around freedom loving Americans who respect other freedom loving Americans. Skin pigmentation is irrelevant.
If YOU are more comfortable around a specific reason that is your business. Comfort is irrelevant as long as it doesn't dictate how you treat people.
Are you asking this question to me?
We as whites…? Not fair to assume everyone here is white, brothers and sisters of all colors here supporting the great awakening movement
From the start we have supported nationalism over globalism so obviously we respect the sovereignty of all nations. One thing I’ve thought lately though is that when you see, like, a Pakistani dude in Britain talking with a full Cockney accent, we call that guy an invader and the local Brits cucks for tolerating it, but in a way, the Pakistani dude with the Cockney accent is a cuck too. He might be an okay person individually, but does he ever look in the mirror and think what an absurdity of globalist manipulation his existence is? A Pakistani with a Cockney accent? Shivering in the winter? Sipping on tea? Watching Dr. Who reruns? As a man, shouldn’t the Pakistani think about all his ancestors whose land and culture and language and history he abandoned back in Pakistan? Doesn’t the Syrian Muslim in Minnesota ever look around and go, “This is not my place. I’ve been duped.”
Def respect the viewpoint friend I feel what you’re saying
Or maybe he didn't care for it and wanted to start a new life. But hey, your hypothetical Pakistani is respecting and participating in the cultural norms so at least there's that.
White is a fake term.
Right. Like, my pinkish/tan/peach skin color is NOT white.
Precisely. It's a catchall term to impose a unity where none exists
It’s also much harder for the people who control media (Big Elf) to spin the same hate and calls to genocide if they had to say things like, “Caucasian Privilege” or even more difficult, “You can’t be racist towards Swedish-German-Americans.”
Exactly. We are European!
I mean i agree bc of language and history and culture and market. But there are non white Europeans is what im saying. It's a cabal word,"white."
If you mean to replace natural rights w obscure occultist feudal elitism sure
Oh? It isn't more media sorcerer tricks and blackmail pedo rings? Heydrich invented th modern Intel state and we see directly that it sucks for us
Of course. But this all dovetails together
*Thought you were responding to me. Apologies.
"we as whites"
im white... speak for yourself. I love who I am but this identifying solely around your skin melanin level, which you had literally zero control over btw, is creepy weird leftist crap.
said it before but being an ethnostate sure helped Sweden and other european countries lmao.
SIN and CORRUTPION which leads to FORCED muticultarlism by corrupt bad actors in our government is the real issue and affects all mankind ethnostate or not.
I am 100% against globalist forced flooding our nation with unsavory economic migrants with the sole intent to destabilize and cause strife.
"My own" are people who believe in the ideas that led to this countries creation and the US constitution. Skin color is irrelevant to me. The US has been majority white since it's inception.
Know what that means? It means all the forced multiculturalism and leftism has been put upon us by...you guessed it, other white people! Corrupt, sinful white people filling our government and the weakling and coward useful idiot white people that spread leftism.
If you think stacking the deck with more white people is the answer to our problems....LOL how did you even make it this far? Sounds like you still have some awakening to do.
Well darn those Jews are doing all the heavy lifting then huh? Is every white leftist also a jew?
Are corrupt shitheads like Mitch McConnell, Mitt Romney, Nancy Pelosi jews? Don't sound like Jewish names to me. Newsom in CA?
Anonymous, if I were you I would look into central banking and start to understand how and why our world is the way it is. You seem well intentioned but clueless.
If you keep trying to name powerful people who aren’t Jewish, your list will start to run thin very quickly. And yeah, there are a lot of brainwashed non-Jewish useful idiot leftists, but that is just the goy/cattle part of the Talmudic vision. There is a media monopoly owned by a single tribe and that media monopoly sets the official narrative of reality. If there are goy/cattle who then perpetuate that narrative, it’s not because they are the masters behind it. Pointing out that cattle exist as soldiers for the narrative doesn’t really change the fact that the media monopoly is the bigger problem. If the media monopoly changed the narrative tomorrow, the goy would all go along with it. The goy aren’t in control of anything.
I sincerely doubt that thread was made with good intentions.
I agree. It was made to gaslight and cause problems. I don't really see the rampant "racist" behavior on here.
It is just to divide us and keep us from the more important things we should all be focused on.
The immediate butt-hurt responses just fueled it.
Everyone should just ignore it and move on to business as usual.
Butthurt? Perhaps more so against gaslighting, "we whites" and the self-righteous prig rant. Nobody is getting butthurt over simple disagreements. I disagree with people all the time here and we get on but I know a divider when I see one.
Except they didn't ignore it. So your notion of we don't have a problem here has been blissful assumption.
It would have either faded or have been givin support with no pushback if there was no problem.
I am saying we should ignore these divisive posts. People have their own opinions based on their own experiences.
I haven't seen all the racist stuff that was claimed before the original thread. Meaning, I don't see a need for these threads to begin with. It didn't stir the pot, it became the pot.
Noone is out there calling for genocide due to skin color. If they are I am sure they are banned appropriately.
People were mad because it fit right into all the other anti-white gaslighting that has been forced upon us for years now. Maybe choose different examples instead of making it seem like only white people can be racist.
I respect everyone until they give me a reason not to. I don't hate anyone for their skin color alone. But I also don't want whites to be eradicated, like the globalist wet dream is.
The only us vs them is the people against the demonic globalists. If people can't handle someone else's opinion, whether it be bigoted or not, then they should get thicker skin and move on with their day.
100% Agree.
The contribution history (much of which has long been self deleted) of that user suggests they have a pattern of sowing discord here.
Pepe farms 'members!
But hey! At least they've moved on to faux racism and slide posts. A bit better than the typical doom and calls to action/violence suggestions Camaro typically posts.
Lol? Most of it self deleted? I rarely delete anything at all.
Op is a mod on pdw. He was bragging about banning people who were pointing out that all the people who got KYLED were chosen people during the trial.
So there's that
Good intentions... Mostly. Real intentions for continued real discussion.
100%
OK but at the same time, if literally every other race on Earth gets to have its own country, under its own control, wouldn’t it only be fair that white people also get to have a country? Just one country?
Or does every race get their own country except for whites? And if that is the rule, explain how that is not anti-white discrimination?
Very much the same. The problem is there will be contingents in full on denial... We'll just have to work with them as Daryl Davis has, but respect them if they choose not to integrate...
This applies to ALL ethnic groups.
Glad you enjoyed it.
Thanks for the follow up u/bubble_bursts and the original u/GoingCamaro.
I am grateful for all of the contributors here that make valid points, conduct deep research, share some humor, check in on each other, and make this a community that I love.
Without question, I am sure I've had amazing interactions here with people of different backgrounds, colors of skin, and worldviews. Because of the relative anonymity here, I don't make judgments based on visual first impressions, because I can't see the people I am communicating with. Rather, my first impressions and continued understanding of frens here is based on the things they say, content they share, and contributions made to our community.
I think it's a perfect way to learn how to be less "ist" about anything. It's something we can all do.
A friendly reminder, we are in the greatest battle of Good vs Evil our world has ever experienced. There is real truth in WWG1WGA. I don't give a damn about anyone's color of their skin. We all bleed red blood. In battle and war, committing to win, WITH each other, is the most important thing we can do.
We are all in this together and WE WILL WIN.
u/#Ridetofreedom
This comment being on the bottom of the thread is concerning.
Truly
Ho hoooh!!! Lovin this.
I could certainly continue to improve on my approach.
That thread was obviously made with no good intentions in mind. The fact that GoingCamero is a shill and hasn't been banned is appalling. It's literally communist tactics deployed right in front of our faces
U/goingcamaro openly threatened to shoot rascists in the original thread. Mods must be compromised.
Always have been
It's been clear that the mods have been compromised for a while
Well it's cause I'm not a shill and I follow the rules. Also my intentions were good. I seek truth and I walk in truth and the truth is racial prejudice is incompatible with unity. Disagree all you want. It is a simple objective truth.
"Q" is the one thing everyone here should agree on. When shills circulate disinformation counter to that, it's a problem.
When people - who aren't even relevant here - deny that Satanism is an actual fucking thing, and pretend that Q didn't call out the Nazis as part of the cabal, ignore the fact that Q called out Merkel as the descendant of the Hitler family, and won't see the EVIL order that was brought upon the world during the Second World War which Germany, together with the Soviet Union, England, and American Corporatists, unleashed? You really start to realize what's going on.
Those kinds of people are here for one purpose, and one purpose only: To circulate their narrative that there is only one group at fault. (((THEM!!!))) A lot of Jews are part of the cabal, yes, absolutely, and all of those believe in Satan whole heartedly. About 70% of Israel is full of "Jews" who claim to be Jews even though they are not. It's not a conspiracy, it's a fucking convenience to claim to be part of 'the protected group.' That's the purpose it serves now. A good number of Jews are fat slobs that look more like Herman Goring than Moses - just check out Harvey Weinstein. Look at Jared Fogel. Sick fucking perverts who aren't doing anything even remotely related to the Jewish faith. These are the people Hitler should've gassed, but he didn't, he went after the religious ones while working hand in hand with Soros types.
It becomes a problem when stupid, short-sighted narratives are actively circulated by these Hitleresque shills, who openly ignore Q, would gladly defy God, going as far as calling Christ a "Jewish fable to enslave the goy" and pissing away everything that actually made the white race hold together in spite of their constant warfare.
ROME and ANCIENT GREECE were fucking shitholes before Jesus Christ became the Savior of Europe. They were filled to the brim with brothels, pedophiles, and Nephilim worshippers that slaughtered their own people. When Christ was recognized, Europe conquered the world. That includes the places of "eastern" faiths. That's because GOD WINS. We were losing all of it because we turned away from GOD. These fucking neo-Nazis are working to turn people HERE away from GOD.
Frankly, they should be dealt with like any other shills. Throw them out to conspiracies.win and let them circulate their Hitler praise there. They are no better than the new Reich leftists that are looking to dox and defame all of us any way they can.
It’s no use fren, they think you’re a glowie for speaking truth. ECW is a Jew. There are Jews on our side. Guess the psyop worked on them too.
The Nazi types certainly forgot Hitler's friend, the pedophile boy-lover Ernst Röhm.
Getting to the point where I want to agree, but at the same time, we can convince people of new perspectives.
If someone says "I refuse to change my stance or hear perspectives on x y or z" then perhaps they should be removed. I keep an open mind because I am secure in my personal beliefs about Jesus and I accept that I can ve wrong and how other people perceive God is not for me to judge.
I don't agree with your stance completely. But I do respect your perspective.
Q doesn't want us divided by race, age, gender, etc.
Because those divisions are incompatible with unity.
This is exactly what they use to divide normies , just remove the threads like this . it’s Divisive and serves no purposes we all know why we’re here and threads like this is a step in the wrong direction ( your literally helping the deep state by entertaining this shit) wwg1wga . Don’t entertain bullshit.
A handshake casually suggesting censorship of ideas is extremely suspect.
Not censorship , fuck your ideas into irrelevance. Your Probably a glowie anyway . I’ve been following this shit longer than you I don’t participate in shit. But your spreading the same cancer that spread on Twitter and other platforms so you can fuck right off with your race baiting shit .
Based pede is BASED.
"RacIsM" is just generally just ignorance mixed with cultural prejudice. Most of the world are not particularly worldly and have not had a lot of exposure to other cultures, so naturally they make judgements based on the little they have heard of said cultures. It's natural.
Anyone who has travelled would know that America is without question the least racist country on earth.
Whole heartedly agree - I will throw in Australia with it too.
And yet we can still be better.
Racism is apart of human nature, if you or anyone else doesn't like it then suck a lemon.
No, it's not. Racism is ingrained in us to keep us alert and away from predators. Racism can be amplified with negative experiences or removed with brainwashing.
It is taught. Recognizing differences is not racist. Even fearing the differences due to prejudice is not racist. Hating a group of people in general just because of the color of their skin is racist. You can teach hate, just as you can teach love.
Claiming racism and hate of another race based solely on skin color is a bunch of shit. There are vast differences in behavior of the races. These differences hold true everywhere on Earth. Genetics drives every group to have certain proclivities.
GC
The 'indigenous peoples of the Americas' didn't really have time to adapt any genetic specialization. They were about 7,000 years behind the curve when they started making pyramids and shit, and executing men, women and children to appease the Nephilim isn't praiseworthy to me. The ancient Greeks burned people in metal bulls constructed to make their screams echo, which at least gets points for creativity. Aztecs just lopped off peoples' heads and threw them down the stairs. It's kind of stupid if you ask me.
Every other race has at least one major contributing factor to society that they're good at thanks to millennium of selective breeding to amplify those traits, but... they were matched up with about 5,000 BC when 1520 AD came through.
I'm pretty sure it has something to do with population size. A group doesn't become effective until their population exceeds a certain number, then the intellect and innovation finally starts to rise. They must've been pretty limited in number when they were stopped in their development.
Lol you completely missed the point and then repeated my point exactly. You are special.
I don't mind hearing you out.
This is what (edit) Burto_87 (/edit) said: "Hating a group of people in general just because of the color of their skin is racist."
My contention: It is unreasonable to think anyone hates someone simply for the color of their skin.
There is a distinction in my post that you missed.
GC
He doesn’t want to hear you out mate. He’s a jackass
If it was true that people felt “hate” over “skin color”, then why has there never been any kind of hate movement over how tanned or pale people are? That is “skin color”, right? Why has there never been gangs of tanned people fighting gangs of pale people in the streets?
Because it’s not about skin color. Skin color is just a quick shorthand for what people are really discussing.
Are you saying people are born without the ability to love?
Kek
I would call what you are referring to
prejudice
which may be good, bad, neither or both
and takes many forms including ethnic or 'racial' prejudice.
So is killing and having lots of sex. Using human nature as an excuse just makes you look even worse.
An easy fix, treat everyone as an individual and measure them based on their own actions.
Voice of reason.
Amen.
Eraseism...
When race is used to pit everyone against each other, creating a false sense of racial tensions. This is a divide and conquer technique. Meanwhile the d-elete attempt to erase the history and legitimacy of ALL sides. Such as, Aunt Jemima, Land o Lakes, Redskins, CRT, destroying statues, flags and books.
Way to finish what Jackson started...
I understand why people are having trouble with this, you have to go further down in the layers of the onion before you can shed the identity politics that is weaponized against all of us.
You don't have to have multiculturalism to get along with different breeds and political groups of people just like you don't need globalism to get along with other countries.
Why do people start wars? Scarcity of resources. why is there scarcity? Because the instigators trick us into creating it so they have a way to control us.
if we drop the labeling and dehumanizing of eachother we can begin to work together, if we work together we can begin to eliminate scarcity of resources.
I saw a documentary about crocodiles once, in the dry season they fight eachother for every scrap of food, sometimes even killing and eating eachother but in the wet season, if two crocodiles bite the same piece of meat, they tear it in two and each eat a piece.
I'm not saying relax and go up to a bunch of gang bangers at 3Am in front of a trap and start fist bumping them and hugging them but I'm saying to really pick and choose your words and battles carefully. I'm not saying to divide all your stuff and give it to bums either but maybe don't call everybody a leftard or a commie when they are caught up in their own version of identity politics against you, use your words better and if they don't listen, walk away, if they fuck around, then they can find out but not till you tried to be reasonable first.
It's really hard to turn the other cheek, I am not afraid of a fight, I've been in lots of fights, I even like to fight on some level and I have pride, it hurts my pride to walk away from a fight but I think God shares that pain with me and is proud of me. it's never made me feel good to win a fight, even when I tried to walk away first.
That's my suggestion. I have found people of all kinds that defied all the expectations and stereotypes that were thrust upon them, both in positive and negative ways. It's like doing your own research instead of believing the media automatically. Stereotypes often hold true, that's how they become stereotypes but there are many outliers and people can change when the circumstances allow it.
Perhaps you should have written my original post.
none of us are as smart as all of us but none of us is as retarded as all of us either. lol. Thanks fren
You see how it works? One pseduo-virtuous cuck comes here to virtue signal, and now we aren't talking about the death jab, stolen election, evil democrats and uniparty, etc. One little beta male bitch has to bring his insecurities to a board that is otherwise free from the nonsense. Don't entertain it. Shame people like this.
Ohh yay! Another virtue signal post! Is this Twitter?
Twitter integration trial. Going as well as everyone would expect.
I have in group tribal preferences and I won't be shamed or guilted about them
Does that effect the way you treat people outside the group.
Yes, that's why it's called an in group preference
Then that is a problem. You should still treat people with the same dignity and respect that you do your preference group. This does not mean you agree with them or are suddenly inclusive. It just means you're capable of having your perspectives while not letting it effect how you treat others.
Problem to whom? You? Excuse me whilst I don't give a shit.
Respect is earned.
People like you can't judge external threats and are a big reason of why we're in this mess.
I still hate thug culture and their "how stupid can I possibly sound" dialect.
Laughing at their 2k wheels on a $500 hooptie is fun too.
Hopefully the FBI on this site reads your post and have a change of heart...
Don't hold your breath.
Believe me I won't...
Meanwhile on Jackass...
Stupidity comes in all colors.
I agree. Reform Islam is compatible with unity and Western culture. Traditional is not.
Oy Vey!
Op is a mod on pdw. He was bragging about banning people who were pointing out that all the people who got KYLED were chosen people during the trial.
So that should explain a lot
Nicely put. Hope this climbs up the post.
I gotta say it:
(((Ayn Rand)))
And thus is incompatible with unity.
So why are you here at all?
Thinking and saying is okay as long as you're still respectful to others.
EDIT: in the sense of how you treat them.
Simping for a simp. Pathetic.
And you know what I am for a fact?
Can't wait for the post about "Anti-transphobia" and "Anti-pedophobia"
Trust the Plan, Trust Sessions, Trust Barr, 2 more weeks, "Let's go, brandon".
Anti-transphobia in the sense of everyone is entitled to basic respect. You may not agree with someone's pro nouns, however consider that if YOU get to decide what someone will be addressed, everyone else gets to do the same. The trans trend will fade away once all the garbage is taken out of the food supply.
Children cannot consent, therefore pedophilia is rape. I am a proud anti pedo " bigot". Those who have not harmed a child and come forward with their affliction we should get them the help they need and leave them be. Otherwise, no. There are ZERO excuses for pedophilia.
I love every races in different ways but mixing large amount of people from different races together is unnatural and creates many problems. Racism is not the problem here, racism is the innate reaction.
Banning racism is like taking pain killers, it doesn't fix the problem.
If every races was behaving like the Japanese in regard to their interactions with other races, the world would be a better place.
Even on this site people resort to name calling if you dare disagree with their multi-cultural wet dreams. A little is OK, but too much like you say causes problems. These people are brainwashed like Scott Adams is with the vaccines.
Yeah I'm trying to cut back on the name, you stupid faggot- kay this is harder than I thought...
This one wasn't directed at you, but I'm glad you're trying.
Agree very much.
Mike Wallace: “ how are we gonna get rid of racism”?
Morgan Freeman: “stop talking about it”.
https://youtu.be/GeixtYS-P3s
Threads like this one are counterproductive
Agreed!
Promise, no more after this. I felt this was needed to counter-balance the angst caused by the other thread.
OP why do you use the term "person of color" ? This term is divisive in of itself and really just a rebranding of "colored people." Except now it is used to other white people.
I agree with the phrase "we are all one race" and it's worth pursuing unity over time with those who will accept the culture in the country. I don't go to Japan and ask them to change.
Most immigrants I have met from Africa are hard working, intelligent folks. While people who grew up in the hood/slums tend to have a degenerate culture, regardless of skin color, that is furthered by fatherlessness. We have a huge cultural divide that has long been caused by Dem policies and ignoring it as something that can be immediately unified within a generation is also a problem. As much as we want them to change.
I also will not apologize for believing that some cultures and beliefs have more merit. Christianity in particular is a set of beliefs about the world, which I believe are true. They are also incompatible with Islam, humanism, Hinduism, Buddhism, non Jesus accepting Judaism, freemasonry, gnosticism, etc because they hold conflicting claims to truth. Either one is true or none of them are. Since I am a Christian, I believe our country should return to its foundation of all people are welcome if they accept the culture, and only Christian ethics should be taught. Moral relativism and postmodernism are the reasons we are in the mess we are in as a culture.
I am familiar with this view, and I think it is deeply flawed. In many ways, it's the same mindset and way of thinking where, in a marriage, for example, one or both of the spouses come to a conclusion "I'm right, so she must be wrong. If she's right, then I am wrong".
Before you go off thinking this and that, let me clarify a few things, to shore up the suggestion that there are alternative ways of thinking about this.
Firstly, I strongly agree that some cultures and beliefs have more merit.
Secondly, my view is, like yours, that Christianity is superior to anything else out there.
Thirdly, I personally define a belief system (a faith) and the culture they give birth to based on the motivation behind them; some faiths and belief systems are inspired by and given birth to by God the Father, while others are inspired and given birth to by the Devil. Satanism, luciferianism, various forms of paganism such as Moloch worship, etc, are essentially inspired by the Devil. The major faiths are not.
Fourthly, the relationships between the faiths inspired by our Creator can be compared, by analogy, to a bunch of different kids in different grades in a school. I.e. elementary school, high school. A kid in grade 6 (year 6) in elementary school knows something about the world, about maths, for example, and about how things work. A kid in 3rd year junior high, knows more, in general, and has more information about the world, maths, science, etc. A kid in year 3 in Senior high school, the same.
Putting aside personality differences in this analogy, they are each at different stages of 'learning about the world' and they perceive and understand different things, while none of them has a complete or perfect understanding.
Fifth, the goal and purpose of all faiths inspired by the creator is to bring all to Christ and bring about rebirth (which is salvation) through Christ.
Sixth, going back to the stages of development analogy, the reason why different faiths inspired by the Creator differ is because the expression of God's transcendental Truth manifests different based on numerous factors:
the different geographical and physical environments the targeted society or ethnic community exists in
different histories, with different issues requiring resolution
different levels of intellectual development, including levels of scientific development, cultural development.
You or I know that the information we can effectively share with someone depends a lot on these sorts of factors: their intellectual development, their personal histories, the issues they have (eg. in denial on certain things) etc.
Likewise, because the Fall of Adam and Eve essentially destroyed our human capacity to grasp truth spiritually and intellectually, God has had to raise us from the ignorance that our spiritual fall caused (we forgot who we are, who our Father is, and what our purpose is, etc). This is the real path of development behind human history. It's not Marx's stupid and Satanic theory that history is development towards the Communist Utopia, but that human history is the history of God raising humanity through increased truth and intellectual development (aka spirit and truth) in order to prepare us for complete and full acceptance and rebirth through Christ.
Prior to the establishment of Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, the societies where they were founded were essentially barbaric. These faiths lay a foundation for the people to be improved in spirit and in truth to a level where they can much more easily recognize and accept Christ.
Judaism is special because God was raising them to receive his Son. But they failed, and so their mission passed to Christianity. Judaism is like the kid at the top of elementary school, but Christianity is like the kid at the top of Senior High.
Faiths like Buddhism and Hinduism, when practiced properly, are like kids in 4th or 5th grades in Elementary school.
There is by far Much, Much more in common between the teachings of these major faiths than there are differences. Focusing on the differences ignores that the common root is God. And even though, as Christians, we have access to the highest expression of Truth God has revealed so far, we are, by definition, waiting for the Return of Christ so that the final level of understanding can be received, and our rebirth completed, and the Kingdom fully manifested both On Earth and in Heaven. (Currently, Earth is still a mess).
If Christians truly understood that these faiths are brethren, we would be able to embrace them, and win them through love to Christ. We don't do that, in general, NOT because they are all wrong and only Christianity is right, but because, even though we are the eldest brother with the greatest blessing and we understand the most important truth: that full salvation ultimately comes only through Christ - we are still ignorant of why our Father even created these faiths, and we fail to recognize our commonality and instead focus on the differences. Thus, we cannot lead fully.
When Christ returns, the true purpose of all faiths will be revealed, and Christianity will finally be able to fulfill the role of true elder brother and guide for the other peoples of the world. Fuller understanding will reveal what is true and what is not true in each faith, and we will be able to begin to appreciate the unique aspects that God reveals through each of us instead of thinking that only one or the other has the true understanding.
I disagree on the analogy, as it would be true if we were talking about two sides of a flawed perspective of human wisdom, but the Bible doesn't claim to be that. It claims to be the word of God to man through divinely inspired human writings.
I implore you to study other religions, what they actually say. They do not point people to Jesus in the slightest. Talmudic Judaism depicts Jesus as a sorcerer who is boiling in hot excrement. Islam rejects Jesus as savior and has many contradicting instructions to the Bible including verses in the Qur'an today Muhammed described as satanic verses. Muhammad claims to be given the Qur'an by an angel of light, who disguises himself as an angel of light?
Someday look at the similarities between Islam and Mormonism, which itself was born out of freemasonry! The devil is not creative, he continues to use the same lie across cultures.
All other religions are born out of the same lie that the serpent told Eve in the garden, "Eat of this fruit and you will not die; you will be like God." They focus on a series of rules to worldly ascension and following a list of rules that focuses on man, instead of focusing on God. Christianity is the only belief system that focuses on God's reconciliation and love for us. It either comes from God and is of the utmost importance, or it is a lie not worth considering.
Thanks for the reply.
"as it would be true if we were talking about two sides of a flawed perspective of human wisdom, but the Bible doesn't claim to be that."
No, but YOU claim that your grasp of the scripture IS not flawed, and is not less than perfect. Despite the fact that the Bible itself is inspired by God, you also have a responsibility and role in HOW you understand it. If you don't have the humility or ability to recognize that, you've missed the point. Even Paul states VERY clearly that he saw only dimly, as in a mirror.
How many Christians through out history have acted based on their interpretation of the Bible, and done horrendous things? Therefore, unless we have the humility to recognize that what we CHOOSE to believe about the scripture is the choice no one can avoid, we miss the point. We focus on dogma, justifying it as 'true' because scripture says so, instead of realizing in humility that scripture is a guide, and that we ourselves must grow and develop our understanding of it.
"Divinely inspired human writings". Indeed. So why can not God inspire other human writings? Answer: He can. Of course he can. But even God is limited by the capacity of the instrument. Or otherwise, why did not God reveal through Moses the higher understanding that Jesus brought? I'll tell you why. Because Moses and the prophets were not at the level of spiritual growth that Jesus had.
The New testament, while written by men, is what it is because those men and authors were able to inherit the foundation of Jesus. BUt even Jesus stated, very clearly, "I have many things to teach you, but you cannot bear them now".
What if one of the things Jesus has to teach us is how the jigsaw puzzle of the world's religions inspired by God come together with Christ as the centerpiece? If it is, you'll never know it because you've chosen to block any other view of the truth out based on your own flawed view.
You cannot teach Highschool Geometry to a kid from elementary school. You cannot teach Post-graduate physics to a second year junior high school student.
I have studied other religions. As I say, the teachings are far, far more in common than not. The core teachings are very very similar. However, They cannot and do not reach the level of Christian understanding BECAUSE they do not have Jesus' foundation. Obviously.
You cannot blame a goat for not being a cow. A cow is a cow and a goat is a goat. They both can deliver milk.
Moreover, the different faiths each had different missions. Of course they do not point people towards Jesus! (Even the old testament did NOT point people towards Jesus himself, but to the Messiah, the Christ. The problem was that the Jewish leaders and people at the at time did not realize or recognize that Jesus is Christ.)
But if all the people in the world were barbaric Moloch worshippers, how far would Jesus' teaching have gone? The truth is, there were numerous religious reformations established around the world approximately 400 years before the advent of Christ, as was also the case in Israel, through the final prophet Malachi.
We cannot deny that the mission of the Chosen people was taken from the Israelites and given to the Christians. Parable of the vineyard shows this 100%. So what would have happened IF Israel had received Jesus instead? His teachings would have spread to the entire world very quickly, because different landing pads were prepared in different parts of the world.
Not very familiar with Talmudic Judaism, and I suspect your own view is highly prejudiced, so I cannot comment except to say that Judaism failed in its mission to accept Christ and fulfill the mission of the chosen people, the very reason God had established them. But we include the Old Testament in the scripture BECAUSE it is foundational to Jesus advent and teaching.
Islam acknowledges Jesus as a holy man, but does not have the core teaching and understanding of the Christ, the 2nd Adam. I mean, der. Of course! If it did, it would be Christianity! But many of the teachings in Islam were a massive improvement over what existed there before in the Arab world.
Why does Christ return? To save the world. Who murdered Jesus when he came? the VERY people who God had prepared for thousands of years to receive him. Only a few Hebrews received Jesus. 72 disciples is not that many.
Christians are very much in danger of failing to fulfill their mission in the very same way, if they do not learn the lessons from Israel, and what caused them to fail. Arrogance was the start. Inflexible, unable to grasp the new way of understanding that Jesus brought. He brought the upgrade to the 2000 years of Hebrew teaching and history, and they failed to receive it because they clung to their limited view.
Any Christian who is unable to realize how God has been working and who only clings to their limited arrogant view is very liable to be one who rejects Christ when He returns, and whom Jesus predicted he himself would reject. Matt 7:21
Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!’
So, what is the will of the Father in Heaven?
Also, note: Jesus says MANY. Not "a few"
We are called to use our upgraded understanding of Truth through Jesus to understand HOW to discern between what is true and what is not true. We cannot grasp clearly what is NOT true about the teachings in other faiths unless we can see clearly what IS true in their teachings.
Mercy, kindness, service to others, sacrifice - these are taught by ALL the great faiths. Righteousness, etc. The standards vary depending on their culture and level, but these points are common.
If you, as a Christian, are unable to recognize this, what chance to people of OTHER faiths have to recognize the superiority of Christ's teachings? They shall know my disciples by their love.
It's more than that. Christianity is the only belief system that focuses on rebirth through God's own son.
But that, dear friend, is the entire point. That IS what makes Christianity unique. It's so arrogant and illogical to say, other religions are 100% wrong because they are NOT Christianity.
Basically, its like saying, if someone is NOT a Christian, they have no value, no connection to God, and God does not love them. They don't know anything.
I find this viewpoint to be narrow in the extreme. Salvation comes through a relationship with Christ, NOT through Christian dogma.
Anyway, that's my view.
May God guide us both.
I made no claim to my own perspective on all of scripture, not sure where that accusation comes from. Only that the Bible is God's word and no other "holy book" comes close. Reading them is so vastly different and full of direct contradictions. The core message of the NT is Jesus is the need for redemption through solely Jesus, which is outlined in passages such as John 14:6 "Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." and Luke 13:22-28
23 And someone said to him, “Lord, will those who are saved be few?” And he said to them, 24 “Strive to enter through the narrow door. For many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able."
It is narrow, Jesus tells us directly so. Talmudic Judaism and Islam explicitly reject this view. They do not accept Jesus as savior. It is important to understand this point or you will be deceived by many such as the current Pope who are pushing for a one world religion that rejects Jesus as the only way. You don't have to like it because it doesn't seem "nice" to not have these religions build into one, but the Truth is the truth. I believe the OT is included in that Truth.
You need to ask yourself, why did these lesser, explicitly contradictory religions come after Jesus? It contradicts your recognition of a developing spiritual maturity, theirs is a regressive one.
Many Arabs were Christians before Muslims came in any slaughtered many of them, stole their wives as sex slaves, and forced the remainder of them into submission. This is not from external sources! This is from their own Hadith!
You need to spend more time in the Bible and other primary sources (the Qur'an and Hadith) and less time on esoteric websites that fail to grasp the common description of the text. The Bible says in Acts over 400 people received the Holy Spirit at Pentecost in one day, that is far more than 72.
I do not deny that some of the other faiths teach virtues...but those are first and foremost found in the revelations of the OT prophets, Jesus, and His disciples. There is nothing new that is true in the other faiths... It is not that they are 100% all lies, it is that the important points are lies. They are distractions used by the adversary to lead people down a wrong path of personal atonement that is impossible. Only Jesus can save.
Thank you for a decent conversation. We disagree on some major points, but I think we do not disagree on the key one:
That salvation is through Christ.
I do have a personal objection to the "only Christianity is from God" viewpoint, because I think that it denies God's work in so much of humanity, and fails to recognize that God's love is greater than doctrine.
More importantly, because I see this perspective as violating Jesus ' heart and efforts for the salvation of humanity, and as a roadblock to accomplishment of God's will.
I also believe that your focus on contradictions is a result of your desire to justify your faith in Scripture, as "the only way". I never stated, nor do I believe, that there are not contradictions. Of course there are! But the resolution of those contradictions requires rising to a higher level wherein one can see the fingerprint of God in all works, and thereby sift out the fake and false content.
You focus on the lies, as if that brings you closer to the truth, but it seems to me that this is a justification for faith that is less than mature, and less able to stand in its own right.
But that's my view. I'm quite grateful that we've been able to engage and share, without rancour.
It is my belief that all who seek and love Christ sincerely will one day arrive at a place of common understanding, where the contradiction in the world and in doctrine are no longer relevant, but where the presence of the Father is so overwhelming that our need or desire to focus on the differences and/or contradictions is organically removed from the experience of love in His Grace.
Until that day, I push on.
A blessing on your brother (sister?) for your sincere heart.
On the decent conversation, sure thing!
My faith stands firm on its own merits and belief through the working of the Holy Spirit in my life. I have been a Christian for a very long time.
I focused on the contradictions and falsehoods in other religions because you presented that there is merit in them and that Jesus provides a kind of universal salvation. I do not believe that and I am instructed to beware of false prophets by Jesus in Matthew 24:11.
I go by the standard that God instructs in Deuteronomy 18:21-22 21 “But you may wonder, ‘How will we know whether or not a prophecy is from the Lord?’ 22 If the prophet speaks in the Lord’s name but his prediction does not happen or come true, you will know that the Lord did not give that message. That prophet has spoken without my authority and need not be feared."
The Qur'an and Hadiths for me are unquestionably an evil book and commentary. It requires the subjugation of non Muslims. It commands husbands to beat their wives. The hadith say the end will not come until every Jew is killed. And so on for many more reasons. I pray for them that they will see the Truth. Many have already awoken to it by Jesus visiting them in dreams and visions. Ask them to pray to the God of Adam, Abraham, and Jesus to reveal who He is.
My study of other religions is primarily to engage in apologetics with believers of those religions. I do not wish for anyone to reject Jesus or at least not accept Him because they believe in universal salvation or something similar is enough. Passages like Romans 5 are quite clear on this issue to me. Since I believe in the narrow door, I cannot in good conscience let it go unsaid that Jesus is the only way. Whether people accept that is up to them and God.
Thanks again.
Well stated.
Are there things in the Old Testament that you think no longer apply to reborn Christians? Just curious.
We share no disagreement that Jesus is the only way. But we're different in that I see God working as well outside Christianity to bring people to Christ. My belief is that all true religions have a common mission, to reconnect God's children and eventually facilitate them coming to Christ.
Just as the teachings of the old testament were foundational, and then are consummated in Jesus, to me it makes more sense to understand other faiths (religions) and engage with them by affirming the value, the work of God, in order to raise them and bring them to Jesus.
Your point about not wanting any to reject or not accept Jesus is interesting, and I agree with the sentiment or motive here.
Be well.
PS. I see you are new here. What brought you to this place?
I've been lurking since right after the election results. I thought Q was really dumb for a long time but there were a lot of people talking about it including the media which I couldn't figure out. Used to 4chan just trolling. I looked into it once, rejected it, and then someone posted the ultimate q proofs video which convinced me at least that for better or worse there is a connection directly with Trump.
I started actually posting here when I had an insight about the Queen's death plan.
I agree but the problem with your suggestion is the 1st amendment but it is also the most critical piece of our foundation. Bit of a conundrum.
You have been misled by leftist and even "right wing" talking heads, or perhaps by individuals who listened to them.
The 1st amendment prevents the establishment of a particular state religion to protect both the practitioners (forced compliance) and belief system from government influence over doctrine. It does not prevent teaching general Christian ethics rather than the utilitarian and postmodernist moral relativism we have now. Christian ethics including Bible study were taught in public schools!
Consider Mr. Fisher Ames of Massachusetts, who provided the wording for the First Amendment passed by the House of Representatives. He would certainly know the intent of that amendment, yet he never used the phrase "separation of church and state." Rather, he called for the Bible always to remain the primary textbook in America's classroom: "Why... should not the Bible regain the place it once held as a school book? Its morals are pure, its examples captivating and noble. The reverence for the sacred book that is thus early impressed lasts long; and, probably, if not impressed in infancy, never takes firm hold of the mind."
what I mean is that freedom of religion allows for equal footing for all religions...so how can Christianity be the dominant religion or culture without it being implemented by the state? bc sooner or later someone from some other religion will say..... well why is the bible the only thing being taught?
Freedom of religion allows for all religions to be practiced by the people, not to be taught equally by the government as ethically/morally correct. Imagine having to be spend equal time on satanist or molech ethics...
Yes, the state as part of public schools will have to spend some time determining what constitutes "general Christian ethics" or at least ethics in alignment with Christian beliefs but you can't replace ethics with nothing! A school without some kind ethics at all is anarchy and leads to the morally bankrupt society we have now where cheating is fine, lying is fine, what you "feel" is true is fine, and so on because there is no backing "why" for the students on why they should follow these things.
Secularists (I expect driven by the cabal) have argued this conflation and taken advantage of the confusion to take God out of the equation. When you do that, you are obscuring the truth, and it impacts all other parts of education.
I'm actually not opposed to large religions or religious books being taught in school but they should not be given equal weight to ethics. We should hold firm to Christian ethics because we legitimately believe they result in the best outcomes for human living.
I am not opposed either but imagine when the satanist wants their fair share of the pie.....hence...conundrum...
Well, that's what I'm saying. The secularist has made you believe equal time must be given, that's not what the 1st amendment says.
Public schools have to choose "some kind" of ethics to teach as the truth, even if they are separated from the religion itself.
Right now public schools often mix Christian ethics with natural rights. utilitarianism, postmodernism, and communitarianism beliefs depending on who is teaching...and they can spread their beliefs without criticism...
I get what you’re saying. But America is like the poster child for equal and fair… which I know eventually will lead to the other end of the spectrum if we take it far enough…maybe schools should offer Christianity as an elective that way parents have a choice to send their kid to the class. You bring up a good point which is even if you’re teaching “morals and ethics”….whose morals and ethics are we going to teach. They can just fuck off with communism…
Well said
I didn't know this, but I have learnt in my long life that judging anyone where you have never been in that situation is meaningless.
You clearly didn't read much about those posts. I still prayed for others in those situations. I was telling them to nut up because losing your house and car is not the end of the world and if you aren't willing to fight to keep what you have, why keep anything at all.
I ended up walking away without a fight as I felt compelled that it was not where I was being directed. I still pray for others in the same predicament.