I am reposting a response I made in another thread and expanding it. People don't appreciate what it would mean to "go to a gold standard" per H.R.2435. The idea is that it doesn't matter how much money there is, they can set the ratio of gold to dollar at whatever they want. "However much there is in present day dollars. It doesn't matter."
That's the first problem, so let's look at that:
How Much Is Gold Worth
According to the official narrative, there are about 8,133 metric tons of gold in U.S. reserves. I doubt that is true, I think it has been mostly moved into private bankers hands, but we'll go with it. There are 32,150 troy oz. per metric ton. That means there are, in reserve:
8133 metric tons times 32150 troy oz/metric ton ~ 261 million troy oz.
As for the total money that exists, the official number (not that I trust it, but we'll go with it) is between 40 trillion (narrow money), 90 trillion (broad money) or 1.3 quadrillion (derivatives, investments, etc.). With the amount of naked short selling, I wouldn't be surprised if you could double or triple that, so upwards of 4 quadrillion.
Putting this into perspective, we get one U.S. gold backed dollar is equal to:
- narrow money: 6.5e-6 oz
- broad money: 2.91e-6 oz
- derivatives: 2.01e-7 oz
- short sales: 6.5e-8 oz
These numbers don't mean much, so let me try to put it into something that makes a little more sense. Here is a picture of 1g of gold. It's not the best picture since it doesn't show the whole hand, but it shows that it isn't very much. Carrying that around, it would be pretty darn easy to lose it. But let me give you an idea of what one U.S. gold backed dollar would look like:
- narrow money: 1/5000 of a gram
- broad money: 1/11,000 of a gram
- derivatives: 1/160,000 of a gram
- short sales: 1/500,000 of a gram
Even with narrow money, think about dividing that gram picture into 5000 parts, then try to find it in your pocket. With short sales, divide it into half a million parts. It's almost easier to start measuring dollars in atoms of gold.
That 1g sells for about $130. This suggests it should be worth between $5000 and $500,000 if we were to move to a "gold standard" as things stand today.
For reference, that translates to between $150,000 and $15,000,000 per troy oz in today's money.
Now on to the next problem. The dollars that exist aren't money, they are debt. If we go to a "gold standard" there will still be all the debt, and the interest on that debt, that belongs to Megabank. If we move to a "gold standard," all that debt either needs to be paid off, or needs to be wiped out. But where does all the money reside?
Where's The Money
If we just look at narrow money (bank accounts, bank notes, etc.) that's the stuff that people have "on hand" (not really, because it's mostly in the fractional reserve shenanigans, but close enough). But who has the most money in bank accounts? According to this, the median bank account in America (in 2019) was about $5000, and the average was $42,000. That is a HUGE discrepancy, which means that the people with all the money have far more than the average person. The people with all the money are, in general, the Aristocracy AKA the Cabal. If we use the median this amounts to about $1.7 trillion (5000 times 330M people in America). Most of the rest of that $40T of narrow money lies in the hands of the very rich.
However, if we look at derivatives (not to mention naked short selling money) ALL of that money is in the hands of Megacorp.
So no matter how you divide it, as things stand today, the gold goes into the hands of the same people that rule the world right now.
Paying Off The Debt
If we don't wipe out all debt, then all those debts need to be paid off. But money is debt. Money comes to be when a debt is created. That's what "printing" money means. A loan is taken out, in one column a credit is given. This is money. In the other column a debt is created.
Money = Debt
BUT, that's not what really happens. A debt is paid back at interest.
Money + Interest = Debt
So all the DEBT in the world is equal to all the money PLUS all of the interest it has accrued, i.e. there is more debt than there is money. The debt can't be paid off. So all of that gold will eventually end up in the hands of the PTB, PLUS we will remain debt slaves forever.
With the current financial system, no matter how you slice it, all the power remains exactly where it is if we move into a "gold standard."
The system must fail. There is no other choice.
Thanks.
I think the system has already failed. It just hasn’t collapsed yet.
It had already failed long before Trump came in, and would have collapsed on his watch had he overturned the fraud and won his 2nd term in 2020.
And then he would have been blamed for it, and people would have been running to Uncle Klaus when he offered them a solution to the crisis caused by the evil orange man.
The normie-con types may hate us for saying this, but letting Sleepy Joe in was part of the plan from day 1. Better this temple comes down on his head and he is blamed for it, so Trump can come back and help to rebuild.
The system officially failed in 2008, it's just been on life support ever since. It was always doomed to fail since at least 1971 but you could also argue it was doomed to fail from the very beginning of the Federal Reserve in 1913.
All fiat systems eventually fail, so yes 1913 would be accurate.
According to this math, if they spread the gold across the money supply, a gram of gold would be worth thousands of dollars. This is basically another way of saying that our paper money has become worthless. They couldn’t save it if they tried.
Precisely my point.
Those holding gold and silver will have the wealth, those with money in the bank will be very poor until we transition to the new standard. Also, did you factor in the estimated 100-1 paper to gold naked short scam on the comex, that makes the gold worth that much more. I prefer silver for investing because it has an addition 4-1 value compared to gold if you look at the historical gold to silver ratio through history.
That's why we should quit thinking of dollars and gold. Just gold and other commodities.
May our creator and our savior let this happen now, on our watch, so that our children don't need to bear this burden
Need debt jubilee, which is Biblical.
Why not?? it's only digits in space and a big whoopsie on a keyboard would solve ALL the economists math problems... 😁
based debtmaxxer
I'm sure there are some people that think going to a gold standard = tying the current dollar to a fixed amount of gold. But I've always assumed it would be introduced connected to a new currency, a "Treasury dollar" while the "Federal Reserve Note" disappears.
Probably some sort of conversion mechanism, or possibly just a re-liquidation (e.g., everyone gets their illegally collected taxes for the last decade returned to them, but in the new currency). How to get from old currency to new is definitely speculation, but I'm hopeful and optimistic.
always wondered why they say keep the records for seven years.. is this the statute of limitations for the 'theft' , why do we not keep a running tally of how much we have given to government year over year?
If it needs to fail in order to right this ship then I’m all for it…let it happen soon. It’ll be extremely painful for all of us but at the rate this Country is going we are in for a world of hurt like nobody can imagine. Lets get this shit fixed!!
It's not only in The USA, it's pretty shit over here in Europe.
But this assumes that the uber rich/cabal will be allowed to keep the gold they have or they get to collect the debt that is owed. My take is that, just like someone who has robbed a bank, the uber rich/cabal will have everything they have confiscated and any debt owed them forgiven.
Fair, but it's not just "the money." The entire system is owned and run by them. They own and run 90-100% of all businesses, purchases, food production, infrastructure creation, energy, etc. How do we transition when every single one of the people who own and run these things are taken out? (Which they must be, they are all complicit.) I'm not saying it can't happen, but it's absolutely going to look like "a destruction of the system" after the fallout.
The point is, a "gold standard" can't solve the problem, not as things exist today. It must all fail first before we can think about what is being proposed in the House bill.
If the COLA can be set back to say, the 60's where 50 cents bought quite a lot, THEN, the adjustment of value could be settled.. J/S
Agreed!
Ya but I’m the meantime I want to see the gold standard come into play so I can buy a Porsche with a few pieces of silver in the meantime. Free and clear. Then pay off my house. Then put the rest on the bank for retirement and convert it into whatever re-emerges.
Buy a Porsche first, and then pay off the house? Don’t you have those priorities reversed?
Buy a Porsche in the morning. Pay off the house in the afternoon.
Fair enough.
How can we trust banks when they continue to fail and are poorly regulated
Return to silver
Silver is the way
Silver WAS the way, before we got OFF the way.
Return to sound money.
EDIT: Here's an interesting Forbes article about a specific time in history where gold currency standard was at its peak
u/Slyver any thoughts on this in relation to your post? I know getting rid of the FED Dollar system is the point, but what say you on this?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/nathanlewis/2013/01/03/the-1870-1914-gold-standard-the-most-perfect-one-ever-created/?sh=4f8a37f14a6a
Setting a "standard" for an intermediary of exchange is not a terrible thing, as long as people relearn the skill of actual barter. It is in relying on the standard that fuckery is injected into the system.
The bimetal standard was problematic because it set the value of silver, which doesn't allow supply/demand to do it's thing, i.e. it makes the market very much not free. Having said that, the reason they wanted to go off the bimetal standard was so that they could manipulate the value of gold (because they owned it all) and shift assets from the plebians (silver holders) to them (gold holders). This was an example of "hording," which prior to fractional reserve lending was the primary method of economic manipulation.
The article also espouses fractional reserve lending (FRL). FRL's only purpose is to make bankers richer. It serves zero other purpose. It makes money more "fluid," which allows for boom/bust cycles (inflation/deflation), which is an asset transfer mechanism by manipulation of the public mood. It allows for the creation of wars on foreign soil (no money is needed to convince people to actually defend their home, see Vietnam), and the taking of other's assets.
By making a "currency" as the default exchange it risks people relying on it. When people rely on it, it inevitably becomes a target for manipulation, which inevitably leads to manipulation. The creation of the "gold standard" a few thousand years ago (by the exact same people as today's "Cabal" btw) is exactly how we got here.
The only path I see is a truly decentralized market (barter system). Even if there is a "standard measure" (which I'm not convinced is necessary) a system of true barter needs to be created or all of the old manipulations will happen again.
A method by which this can possibly be accomplished is by tying non-perishable assets to NFTs and creating a market place for exchange. People need to be taught how to barter, not relying on an intermediary, even if there are some convenient ones to use (PMs or stocks e.g.). I think it is the only way.
Very good post.
One thing to comment:
I think most of us own something, a house, a flat, a car, some money in the bank. We believe that what we’ve earned, or inherited, we will be able to have over to our children and their children.
So the natural way of thinking is that we should preserve the value we create.
That unfortunately also applies to those elites who’ve organised all these hoaxes, because if the system preserves the value - it works for everyone, including themselves.
That makes it easy to fall into the trap of a Great Reset when people believe that they can get rid of their debts so the only looser would be a bank, owned by the elites, but people are mistaken because it’s in fact owned … by their own pension fund.
Also, even if the Great Reset sounds interesting to some people (especially those with the debt) they have to be aware of the real reason the elites want to implement it, even if they lose some income from their debtors: they will gain full control of the people on this planet and most likely be compensated by the government with the scheme like the gold one described here, plus a share in the system of control being implemented at the same time.
The key point I’m trying to make here is: We cannot allow the thinking ”system must fail” (in a sense: let’s buy in into the Great Reset). What needs to happen is to legally take over the wealth of the evil elites who’ve been contributing to the child sex trafficking, covid hoax, climate hoax, 911, vaxx genocide, plant based food hoax, cures suppression, all other crimes against the humanity. This type of Executive Order that Trump has signed some time ago. This is a way to go. This would help to make them powerless and it’d preserve the vale people have created and are holding for the future generations. We just need to make some people accountable and be very consistent implementing it.
No it isn't. All Funds are just pools of money. The money is taken by the people who manage the fund and they buy the stock (or bond, or other asset, etc.). The owners of these assets are the people who make the purchase, not the pensioners who contribute to the fund. For more information, please see this part of my report.
They already have it. That will be made clear in future parts of my report. The Great Reset is just a pulling back of the curtain of the system already in place. We live in an illusion of freedom and ownership. We already, quite literally, own nothing, have no privacy, and are happy about it (well, at least we believe the opposite of the truth).
What is "Legal" is meaningless. They invented the legal system. The entire thing is theirs. It is a Book of Spells that rules the world. I'm not saying it shouldn't be considered, because people believe in their illusion of "law," but nothing "legal" really needs to be done. It just needs to appear moral. The system of "law" needs to be exposed for what it is, a means for the PTB to control the individual through the lie of "the greater good."
It is "consistency" that is one of the reasons for "law." It seems "fair." Well, it's not, but that's OK, it's not the worst part of it. I agree wholeheartedly that people need to be taken to account. Using their system of law is probably for the best, but only because people don't yet understand the fraud that we call "law." All systems of law that we employ are attempts to subvert Natural Law.
THEY use Natural Law, and they are well aware that they live within that system. They have POWER because they have convinced the rest of us to use the system they created for us instead of the one they use. The same people that rule the world today can be traced back to the very first system of law ever created in Sumer (almost certainly not the first, but the first according to the official narrative). They created it to rule us. The first Law code didn't have any provisions for the people that created it, because the people who created it lived by Natural Law. You should read the code of Hammurabi. It is very telling. The Priest class, who wrote the laws, are the only class of people for whom there were no rules or consequences. This allowed them to bypass Natural Law (you can't really bypass Natural Law, but it allows for an effective bypass of consequences by the creation of belief).
Natural Law says that we all have the right to do what we please, and no one can tell us otherwise. What scares people is that that means that people will do whatever they please. Nothing could be further from the truth. Natural Law also says there will always be consequences for your actions. Natural Law makes clear that every single Person has the right to live their life as they so choose, and make whatever treaties they want with other people, and they can back out of those treaties at any time, though there will be consequences for doing so. In appreciating these things, we all recognize that We are Sovereign (AKA the Ultimate Authority). Our jurisdiction is ourselves, and in any reasonable society, our property. If everyone gets that, deep down inside, all of the "laws" (treaties) we allow ourselves to join won't have things contained within that violate that knowledge of self-empowerment,. We won't allow things in our life that attempt to violate the Jurisdiction of our Authority. We simply won't allow it to happen as individuals, thus we won't allow it to happen collectively, thus it won't happen within any collective.
This is part of the "secret (occult) knowledge" they keep from us within their system of law, and the method by which they rule us.
Enlightening post ^^^
The problem with this thinking is it doesn't acknowledge the reality of the derivatives crisis. You CAN'T "takeover" the wealth of the elite and redistribute it ( or simply erase their assets ), because, just like us, the elite have brought forward their future earnings to create all the ledger entries we call money today. When you eliminate them, or takeover their wealth and eliminate them, you also eliminate the ability to fund all of those obligations. And those contractual obligations on notional future assets far, far outweigh the current value.
And yes, your pension relies on those contractual, future obligations that you intend to destroy when you "take over their wealth".
The current system has to fail completely. There really is no other choice if you want to have a better life in the future. The Great Reset is about collapsing the current system and rebuilding it to their model. The Great Awakening is about collapsing the current system and rebuilding it according to ours. Collapsing the current system is common to all paths forward.
You must accept the reality that the current "system must fail". There simply is no other way forward.
Why? If the wealth comes from the crime a forfeiture can be an option.
It exists in the law.
Trump’s EO was one of them, but not the only one.
Also the enemy uses this approach:
https://www.foxnews.com/media/jp-morgan-ceo-suggests-government-seize-private-property-quicken-climate-initiatives
Because the money you are seizing is pulled from a future that will no longer exist. It is ephemeral. Money is not a thing. It is a merely a complicated accounting ledger that gives you a draw on the real goods and services produced by the economy. If you destroy/arrest these entities, then all of that "money" you think you they have (which is actually debt and merely a future promise) disappears when the entities responsible for the debt disappear. Maybe you can seize $1 here but $20 of derivatives default over there. This kind of action is tolerable by the economy in small doses where 99.99% of the economy will not be affected. But it means a complete economic meltdown on the scale we are talking about here, where the too big to fail banks themselves are the criminals.
Sure, there is some real wealth (gold, artwork, stock in productive companies, etc.) that you can take and redistribute, but that is a tiny fraction of the leveraged derivatives in our economy that is ultimately dependent on these entities.
There are some great economists like Joseph Brown (Heresy Financial) or George Gammon (Rebel Capital) who can explain this in an understandable way. But the end result is that no matter how you look at it, due to the scale of the corruption, we need to knock down the entire structure and rebuild. When the foundation of your house becomes compromised, you can't save it. You have to bulldoze and start over. That is where we are at. The scale of the issue makes doing anything else impractical.
We need to accept that the economy will be destroyed. We then have a choice on which contractor we hire to rebuild...either the Great Reset, or the Great Awakening.
When you deposit cash (Federal Reserve Notes) in a bank the bank makes a digital record that they owe you the FRN. After the deposit, the cash continues to exist but the IOU from the bank (as recorded in your bank account) is something new. The IOU didn't exist before the deposit but it does exist after. It's new. The thing with an IOU from a bank is that it spends just like the cash. It dilutes the demand for cash. It is a competitor with physical FRNs. With your deposit, the money supply has expanded because the cash you deposited continues to exist but the spendable IOU from the bank is new.
But the bank will give you an IOU for other kinds of notes in addition to FRNs too. For example if you sign a note for a mortgage or student loan, the bank will accept that and give you the same IOUs you would get if you made a cash deposit. In this case the Note (signed by you) is new and the IOUs from the bank are also new. They didn't owe you anything before you gave them your signed note. After you give it to them, then they owe you something and what you get is spendable IOUs. Brand new money with every loan.
edit: so just like OP said, money is debt. Every new debt in this system creates new money. And if everyone one day decided they were done with debt and aggressively paid off their current debt while refusing to take on new debt, the gears of the economy would grind to a halt because all the money would disappear.
Thus, the bail in coming to a big bank near you... 😒
A silver standard would be far more equitable. Something the cabal doesn't want, but what choice would they have if the masses wake up? Answer -> none.
It all comes down to the masses snapping out of the grand illusion of "rulers and followers" as well as "blind trust in authority". There must be a paradigm shift.
Otherwise we get more of the same and it doesn't matter whether it's a gold standard, an oil standard, a basket of currencies, a bushel of wheat, a special purpose vehicle or a fistful of peppercorns. As long as people believe they have "rulers", said rulers will make the rules that will always benefit them and be a detriment to their serfs.
I agree. The realization that the Ultimate Authority of ones own life and liberty falls to each individual is the key, and it has to be appreciated by everyone (or near enough to) or we are cannot escape as a society. Any economic system we build is meaningless (within the scope of escaping The Matrix) without that.
I agree that the current fiat system must fail before a gold standard currency is created. Backing the fiat dollar currency with gold continues the debt enslavement and keeps the reins to our financial circus in bankers hands. I oppose backing their fiat paper and ink with gold. They'll need to go bankrupt before a gold backed standard currency works. Until then, accelerate! Take the current funny money you have and invest in tangible physical assets that are tradable commodities. Food, fuel, crankcase oil, seeds... Hell, if all you can afford is Bic lighters and candles, do that.
So gold is not hoing to destroy the fed?
I am not a prognosticator. I am showing that the proposed system by itself can't fix the problems that ail us. "The Fed" is not the problem. The problem goes much deeper. Taking it down would be a beginning to the solution, not the end.
It's worth noting that the cabal probably have a hell of a lot more gold than we think
Yes, very worthy of note.
So what do we measure our wealth in? Cows?
Tulip bulbs worked for a while, so did sea-shells.
The basis for new currencies is already established, look at the BRICS team for clues, the USA will have to hope that they can join the grown-ups and ask nicely if their new US Treasury Dollar can join the BRICS system.
This is what will happen under DJ Trump as the First President of Nuevo Americano Republic.
Yes! "Republic of United States of America" has a nice ring to it :)
I buy whiskey and occasionally bullets as currency. I don’t drink alcohol or target shoot much anymore because of cost. But I see them as currency for trade. It already works. If a guy cuts up a fallen tree or does yard work, small car repair. You offer him up a near gallon jug of name brand whiskey he likes, worth about $30, it’s a done deal. Which actually makes it worth, already, much more than you paid for it. Labor is expensive.
I worked with a guy who said he'd work for my aunt all day long for some of her collards. She was a good cook.
Gold has been worth the same for over 100 years, if you compare it to other commodities. An ounce of gold could buy a nice men's suit 100 years ago, and it can still buy one today. The dollar has gone to crap, but gold remains.
When SHTF your wealth will be whatever you can defend with your shotgun.
After that when things settle you will probably measure it in whatever currency we collectively decide to go forward with.
Well ...they have a predictable real-world value.
Nice overview and actually quite startling.
In terms of content: agree, except for one minute issue:
Currency = FRN = debt.
Money = Gold/Silver = Dollar = receipt for services goods rendered. => no debt.
I also think that a single gold-Standard won't save the day. IT turned out it does not work, and as always there are several options to solve it. 1.Return to a bi-metal system. 2.promote debt instruments.
The systems choose what is best for itself. Debt instruments. The same type of thinking is exhibited in relation to CBDC. Of course there are some utilitarian arguments that support such a move. But in general, these can be put to work in other ways as well, not necessarily ONLY in a CBDC use-case.
The deeper question is: do you want to be divorced from life or not. IF not, then the solution is returning back to a bi-metal system. All else is smoke and mirrors.
People who know what the word "money" means generally don't need it to be elaborated.
People who don't know what the word "money" means are, I have found, better shocked into an understanding of what "money" means to the PTB when it is shown that "money" (in the vernacular) IS debt. Elaborating what the word "money" means is a topic, I have found, better left for other discussions or at another time within the discussion, like in the "solution" section of such a discussion.
I've found it really isn't all that desirable to elaborate however, because money, as you mean it, is, I suggest, also a fraud, designed to create a single point of contact for all exchange transactions. Such a single point creates a vulnerability. That vulnerability was, I believe, created on purpose to be exploited by hoarding. If you own all the gold (or all the gold and silver), it makes sense you would want everyone to use your "precious metals" as an intermediary of exchange for barter if you wanted to control an economic system, and thus guide society in the direction you intended, rather than let them be free to choose their own direction. Intentional or not, it has always been exploited (always), and thus needs to be decommissioned as an economic idea. Any such SPOC is destined to be hoarded. It can't be stopped.
The same vulnerabilities exist in a bi-metal standard, except that's even worse because it ties two metals together, and the concept of a Free Market (supply/demand determines value) is subverted. Bi-metal also doesn't solve the hoarding problem. A "DPOC" is almost as vulnerable as a SPOC, and as has been seen, if you own all the gold, hoarding silver as well is trivially accomplished. Indeed, silver is more vulnerable precisely because more people will need it (because they can't afford gold). (See the economic cause of the fall of the Western Roman Empire.)
I insist we must create a Free Market. A Free Market can't exist if all transactions are funneled through a single (or dual) vulnerable point, or if Supply/Demand isn't the driving factor for the entire thing. I suggest we should move to a system that is completely decentralized. A system as close to true barter as can reasonably be accomplished. People need to learn the value of things, and learn how to barter. It's just one of those life skills we need to remember from our distant past.
Not to suggest we go full hog. We don't have to get rid of silver and gold as a store of value, but relying on it (by enforcing, or even strongly encouraging it's use as intermediary) creates an inevitable vulnerability that will be exploited and can't be helped. See other posts of mine in this thread for elaboration on what such a system might look like.
Thanks for your reply. I read it it with pleasure. I'll think on it.
Fun fact: even the short sale amount of gold in your calculation would be over 6 quadrillion gold atoms. The others would be orders of magnitude more.
“It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.” ~ Henry Ford (1863-1947) Founder of Ford Motor Company
“If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them (around the banks), will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.” ~ Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), US Founding Father, drafted the Declaration of Independence, 3rd US President in 1802 in a letter to then Secretary of the Treasury, Albert Gallatin
“Our whole system of banks is a violation of every honest principle of banks. There is no honest bank but a bank of deposit. A bank that issues paper at interest is a pickpocket or a robber. But the delusion will have its course. ... An aristocracy is growing out of them that will be as fatal as the feudal barons if unchecked in time.” ~ John Adams (1735-1826) Founding Father, 2nd US President John Adams to Benjamin Rush: Dec. 27, 1810
“All the perplexities, confusion and distress in America arise not from defects in their Constitution or Confederation, nor from want of honor or virtue, so much as downright ignorance of the nature of coin, credit, and circulation.” ~ John Adams (1735-1826) Founding Father, 2nd US President in a letter to Thomas Jefferson in 1787
“No legal tender law is ever needed to make men take good money; its only use is to make them take bad money.” ~ Stephen T. Byington September 1895, American Federationist
“By the experience of commercial nations in all ages it has been found that gold and silver afford the only safe foundation for a monetary system. Confusion has recently been created by variations in the relative value of the two metals, but I confidently believe that arrangements can be made between the leading commercial nations which will secure the general use of both metals. Congress should provide that the compulsory coinage of silver now required by law may not disturb our monetary system by driving either metal out of circulation. If possible, such an adjustment should be made that the purchasing power of every coined dollar will be exactly equal to its debt-paying power in all the markets of the world.” ~ James A. Garfield (1831-1881) 20th President of the United States (1881), assassinated Inaugural Address, March 14, 1891
Just confiscate all their I’ll gotten gains $$$ and wipe the debt, execute and jail all the evil and break up all of their corporations and go back to good old fashioned free market capitalism.
End it there.
We never had a "free-market." it has never, not for one day, been free. At least not in any country we have ever heard of. It's probably free in some village in the Amazon rainforest, or Tibet, or something., but our history (European/America/Middle East, etc.) has never known what that means.
Capitalism is not "Free Market" anything. That is a lie. Demanding Capitalism is a captured market. There can be no "ism" in a Free Market, or rather, any ism is allowed in a Free Market.
If you want to make a company where the workers determine the means of production (Socialism Economic Model) a Free Market will decide your fate.
If you want to create a company where the workers determine the means of production and all workers get the same share of the profits (Communism Economic Model), have at it. The Market will decide your fate.
If you want to create a company where you take the capital you make and reinvest it into the company to make even more capital until you burst at the seams with unfettered growth (Capitalism) have at it, the Market will decide your fate.
If you want to just have a company where you don't worry about any of that shit, you just like selling your homemade chairs, and all you want is enough to buy bread, have at it, the Market will decide your fate.
A Free Market is not Capitalism. In fact, we live, and have always lived in a forced Capitalism, with a controlled Market. A Free Market can only exist in a world where people understand their own agency.
Not challenging that Fren you have explained it well I’m pointing to the obvious that the corporations need to be broken up - those same corporations that swallowed up the market in the first place effectively putting independent businesses out of business
I appreciate what you are saying. I have a tendency to overdo it when elaborating common misconceptions in our history of economics. I get frustrated when people use words that were designed to perpetuate the fraud. It's a frustrating research, and the fuckery I have found can be overwhelming at times. Sometimes I take it out on people who are agreeing with me. LOL
Yes, your proposed actions make sense. We really do need to blow up all the corporations. Not with bombs, but with information on who and what these people and their corporations really are, so that We The People are motivated to let them die in obscurity.
I believe that every fiat currency would have to "declare bankruptcy" and start with a new physical asset backed currency. This would have to be a world wide endeavor. Any country that has a fiat currency would be bankrupted because no one would want their currency any way. If the US does it, it would ripple across the world. Any country that didn't would have a difficult time conducting international trade. Theoretically, a country could maintain a fiat currency within their own borders, but they would have a problem with folks reverting to a physically backed foreign currency. A totalitarian regime can't have that.
I would say we should never have another paper currency. Just stick to gold coins. We used to have $1, $5, $10, and $20 gold coins. The $1 gold coin is worth approximately 10 loaves of bread. We can keep all the smaller coins as is, since there are so many billions of them already made.
So a quick Google search reveals that at the current exchange rate and the national debt at about 5 today it would take 808 million pounds of gold to break even, reducing our national debt to zero and making us broke. To put things in perspective as I see it... Its gonna get bumpy. Our country has been so mismanaged there is no way we can continue on this path and it will require a reset of some sort or a total collapse
Do you honestly believe that paying off the "debt" we "owe" to people who have created the system of debt to enslave us, steal our children, have sex with them, and eat them is the path forward?
No. The point I was trying to make was simply that we can't, couldn't even if we wanted to. I did not create the national debt and I do not feel responsible for it.
Ah, I misunderstood your comment (misread it more like), my bad. Yes, I agree wholeheartedly.
Even if it "fails", you're still gonna have to pay your mortgage.
Pay it to whom? The Cabal owns every single mortgage. They created mortgages to enslave the world. If we have to "pay our mortgage" nothing changes in the power structure.
A real “collapse” of the system simply results in a person only “haves” what he can hold and defend physically. Period.
I owe no debt... everything paid in full with cash; home, vehicle, toys, etc... no credit cards or loans...I own my own business, grow/raise as much of my food as I can and prep whatever I feel I may need if SHTF... I stack silver and gold as I refuse to have a pension that they control, and this is my way of trying to ensure I have for the future... my biggest yearly expenses are my horse habit and my property taxes... so that leads me to wonder, what about paying the taxes on my property if it all fails? Obviously, the local school and county are not going to barter with us on the tax due if US dollars are no longer acceptable tender. Will they force us to pay with whatever they deem acceptable tender and when the common person does not have that they seize our property and force us into their agenda? I can't see them accepting gold or silver bars as payment. Maybe I just don't understand how it will all work, I just know I don't trust them for one second no matter how much we prepare. I will not live in a 15-minute city!! Second Question--what about people like my parents that now live off their pensions and savings? What happens to them?
If you don't pay property taxes, they will take away your property. Do you own your property, or do the people that will take it away if you miss a lease payment?
Emphasis mine. You're getting close now...
What we call "property taxes" go to pay off the interest on municipal bonds. What are municipal bonds? The bonds themselves are loans created by the municipality because the banks demand that this is the only way a municipality can run. The entire thing is a complete fraud, designed to keep us enslaved, and ensure that the Bank owns all property. The municipality doesn't own your property, the Bank does (hint, there is only one Bank in the world). Even if you think you own it, because you have paid off your mortgage, the Bank still owns it through the system of bondage. There is a reason it is called a "bond." It legally indentures the people of the municipality to the Bank (who hold the majority of the bonds, if not all of them).
There is no such thing as a "tax" other than sales tax (or excise, etc.) that is not the same fraud (income tax, property tax, car registration, etc.). We are so adapted to their system, we fail to see the obvious fraud right in front of our face. If you have to keep paying on what you "own" you don't own it, your Liege Lord does, AKA the one that is forcing you to pay them for what is yours.
A very good question, but I think a little to directed. Very few people are in your position (self-sufficient). Everyone is fucked unless we figure out a way to smoothly transition. The collapse must happen. I personally think Gamestop, and their system of NFTs is the intended path to lead us out. Not that you need to own Gamestop or you're fucked. I think the design of their system will be adapted to a broader economic system.
I very much understand that "they" own what we think we own, and "they" allow us to lease it from them ... but if it all falls apart THEN WHAT?? Are we still just pawns in the game and have no choice but to lose it all and be forced into their 15-minute cities??? Or if the Central Bank crashes and we defeat "the powers that be", do we then actually get to own our property and we devise a more efficient system for funding "community" needs?
I am not a prognosticator. It is my hope that a method of transitioning will present itself to us. If not, we are pretty much screwed. Take care of you and yours. Don't let anyone bully you, unless you see no other path and you want to pay whoever the New Boss is the same protection money you were paying the Old Boss.
Creating our own system is the way. THAT is the only possible path forward to victory.
The cabal is going to be destroyed soon, time to mortgage a multi-million dollar home and get it for free!
I've thought of that. I'm not convinced that's such a good idea. LOL
I think ownership of those loans will just transfer into the new financial system. I just don't believe people will get free houses out of this.
I don't think you appreciate what a "loan" is. It is funny money. It has no existence other than that. It is also a "loan" (a creation of nothing from nothing) from the Bank who's only purpose is to transfer assets from We The People to the PTB.
Also, Banks (and their loans) are 100% owned by the Cabal. Every single one of them. In fact, thinking of there being more than one bank has nothing to do with reality. There is only one Bank in the world (Megabank).
I suggest that anyone who thinks that things will just continue as they have been under new management doesn't appreciate the depth of the fuckery. There is no one to pay off the loan to, and nothing is owed, because it's a "loan" of nothingness. The entire concept of all parts of it has no meaning. Both a loan, and "money," are nothing but asset transfer vehicles. There is nothing there.
You understand the conundrum though? I bought a house. I didn't pay for that house. Someone else did. Then I agreed to pay them back with interest for the use of their money. If things occur as you say, do I then get a free house? As nice as that would be, you know we can't sustain society if such expensive things are just handed out.
Do you know why houses are so expensive? They didn't used to be. For most of human existence you could either build your own house (free), get friends to help you build your house (social obligation, we'll call it "cheap") or, in a more urban, modern area using money (19th century New England e.g.) on the order of 1 to 2 years of wages (depending on the year and quality of house and what your job was). One to two years wages, and there were no income taxes and no inflation, so savings held all its value. And that's in places like New York, or Boston, etc. for a brand new custom house (the stuff I've found data on).
There was no such thing as a "mortgage." There was no such thing as a 30-year loan, and no one would conceive of such a thing. You would work, save up, and buy a house. Done. No payments, etc. At some point they introduced the 5-year loan to encourage people to come work in their factories. Then they decided there were too many people, so they started increasing the price on homes. How did "they" decide that? Well, they owned everything. It was trivial. They just increased all the prices. They introduced "housing codes" into the law system they had created, which increased costs substantially (most of which make houses worse and fall apart sooner, like the "vapor barrier" scam). They manipulated tax codes, interest rates, etc., all to make it harder for a person or a family to buy a home, which made it harder for them to have kids, which reduced the population in their eugenic/Malthusian effort.
A house costs as much as it does, and house loans exist because they want to control the size of the population, and keep the population in debt. That's pretty much it.
If you read the link I provided, it will be the beginning of my report. This information on housing will be coming out in the next installment. But even if all of that were not true, how does your scenario harm anyone? Is "not paying off your home when everyone else has to" fair? Of course it's not fair. The concept of fair has been used to lead us around by the nose for millennia. "Fair" is a lie, a tool, that is purposefully exploited by the PTB to cause division and angst, to create the changes in society that they desire. It is a fraud.
Society will adjust just fine to housing costing so little that anyone can buy it, or in mortgages becoming a thing of the past. On the list of things that are going to cause distress when people find out the truth about our reality, your protest of "it's not fair" is pretty much a zero on the ohshitometer.
Once people understand that money, debt, loans, interest, etc. are all purposefully designed to transfer assets from the plebs to the PTB, once they really get what has been going on, the vampirism, the price and social manipulation to guide purchases one way or another, etc., I suggest your scenario won't even be the slightest concern by anyone.
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The Gold standard is best left for history. Gold is nothing but a state of motion, and there is nothing stopping bad actors from replicating this state of motion. It would be silly to lock the monetary system to such a form of matter.
Good post. Curious what you think will happen with GME? I root for intention and goal of it, skeptical to the outcome many perceive will happen.
Just like you mentioned, cabal owns everything. They will.lie, cheat, steal, change laws, turn off buy button, etc.
What do u think will happen?
I think GME's NFT is the model system we will adopt in a new Free Market economy. I think it was created specifically to show us the way. I don't know about MOASS. I don't really see how that is possible (in the "unlimited stock price" scope), though I think holding onto GME stock is a smart idea regardless of what happens.
I think GME and Q are the same entity (or working for the same side). I do worry however, that they might be Controlled Opposition, leading us into something that is the opposite of what they pretend. I say that because I've been digging deep into "hidden history," and everything seems to be Controlled Opposition. Every event that has occurred in the past that shaped history seems to have been contrived, all sides controlled by the same entity.
However, it does appear that there seems to be a genuine new player. As long as they continue to move forward towards a realization of our own self-agency (as they have been), I will be hopeful. If that changes. If someone "saves us," rather than showing us a path that will seem like we saved ourselves, then I will be worried.
www.kinesis.money is the answer. It's crypto that is 100% redeemable for physical. you can spend it with a debit card linked to your account and travel anywhere in the world with access memorized. The metal is in vaults located throughout the world in many different jurisdictions and out of any gov't control. It's audited twice a year.
I think this path makes sense, though I think it needs to be expanded to other assets, not just PMs. I also fear kinesis specifically becoming a monopoly.
Their business model (where they get a portion of each transaction) will inevitably lead to them holding all the money eventually, at least potentially. In a system with a fixed amount of something, if someone get's a tiny percent of it each year, eventually that adds up to the whole thing. Of course if they buy things, then it goes back out into the system, but the potential is there. Even if they hold a portion of the total (say 10%) they can create huge manipulations to the world's economy if the world is relying on the currencies they control.
Historically "hording" (as the above scenario is called) has been the cause of all "economic collapse" problems prior to fractional reserve lending. This is no small concern.
In that case, part of the audit needs to be making sure the salaries aren’t skyhigh and there’s no money laundering going on, and the fractions adjusted to cover expenses only.
This isn't about salaries. It's not what individuals hold. If the corporation holds the money, then the money can be manipulated.
Don't get me wrong. I think kinesis is a step in the right direction, but it can't be the whole solution. "Currency" (intermediary of exchange for barter) must be completely decentralized. There is no reason that stocks, for instance, can't be used as an intermediary of exchange. You should be able to walk to the grocery store and hand over one share of TMTG (for example) for your food purchase. There is no reason that can't be the case.
We can take things like art, land, cars, guns, or anything else that has value and isn't perishable and tie them to NFTs. By this path we can then exchange, in an "absolute ownership" way, on some market of our creation, all of our goods in a barter system.
Barter is the only way. A truly free market. NFTs allow for that path to be reasonable on a large scale. We still need to buy perishables, so not everything can be NFT'ed, but many things can. This solves the problems of hording and past manipulations. I'm not sure it solves everything, but I suggest it is a path to that.
I know a company that’s currently building a NFT marketplace….
I suggest it's name is not accidental.
You cannot do a Barter system that will work. Are you saying that if I wanted to get clothes.
I would need to find something in my house to trade for those clothes?
A complete barter system is problematic for exactly the reason you state, but a system that is sufficient to alleviate the problems is very much possible.
Imagine that all stocks are put on NFTs. Ownership of the stock is then clearly tied to you, and easily transferable by you. The stock has a clear value, thus it can be traded on an open market, or in a store, or whatever. As long as it's trading value is available, it can be accepted in exchange with ease. You could then buy your clothes with silver, or gold, or nickel, or copper, or titanium, or Gamestop Stock, or Apple Stock, or whatever.
That's just level one though.
Because if it can be tied to an NFT in a reasonable way, it can be used on an exchange market. Land is easily tied to an NFT for example. So are any other asset that holds value. It's value can be determined and/or agreed upon by inspection. People will really look at what they are being traded for. In a market the size of the whole US, or even the whole world, I suggest it won't be that hard to find a "buyer" for your car, or gun, e.g. in exchange for a plot of land somewhere else e.g, all of which can be tied to NFTs (though that isn't necessary in this case)..
I agree not everything translates this way perfectly, but if people learn how to barter, more and more things open up to be applied to such a system in a reasonable way. Exactly the way they used to do things before gold was invented (by the Cabal, thousands of years ago) as the de facto medium of exchange.
Ok now you are talking. Tieing things to an NFT would be a good idea.
If I created a software app to sell for a monthly subscription. How should people pay for that?
However they and you want. Will you take a share of GME for a years subscription? How about a quarter ounce of platinum? What about a baseball card, or online art? Anything that is reasonably exchanged can be exchanged through NFT's or in a marketplace.
We rely on currency because that is all we have ever known. There is no reason to do so.
Imagine that there is an app that keeps track of the value of all these NFT tied assets. You could easily accept anything that fits the value you have preset.
It's just not that hard to figure this stuff out.
How about government supplying the transaction reconciliation and audit tools? Kind of like roads.
Why should government be in charge of any of that? "Government in charge" is exactly the problem. If it isn't a free market in total, it isn't a free market.
Why not just make a broader, decentralized system of barter. The fundamental problem is the reliance on a specific medium of exchange. THAT is what is exploitable. It creates a security vulnerability that is always exploited. That was WHY gold was created as a medium of exchange in the first place.
I get where you're coming from; I was just referring to the infrastructure of settlement. Carrying sacks of metal around is inconvenient sometimes.
Agreed. See my other posts in this thread on NFTs and alternative infrastructure. I've made several.
Congress has the Constitutional power to coin money and regulate the value thereof.
Congress can authorize the minting of 12 Plainum coins denominated in $2.58T units.
Send the coins to the 12 Federal Reserve Banks and payment in full of all outstanding US debt.
After debt is paid, demonetize the 12 coins.
Start over, this time without the Fed.
It's a bit of a contrivance, and I don't think it's in any way necessary, but it seems a reasonable "legal" path out.
The other path is to simply declare war on the BIS and say Fuck You.
Personally, I prefer the second. Neither help with the fact that a "gold standard" can't work by itself. The Cabal already owns all the gold and the money that would be turned into gold. Any single "currency," especially gold, is doomed to lead right back to the same problem.
And the Federal Reserve itself isn't a contrivance? It's an Act of Congress that can be repealed.
BIS is a contrivance. I agree. Fuck 'em.
The US Constitution solves this debt cycle. Is that "legal" enough?
Ownership of anything is only enforce-able in law. The "Cabal" you say - yeah, them and what army?
The "Cabal" doesn't exist when/if US government crawls back their dough and disposes the Cabal of their wealth using EO 13848.
Why do you suppose Trump says we'll all be happy?
We just need to get Trump back in to pull the trigger on EO 13848
You can't really get rid of The Fed because it is a Sovereign by treaty (as an Agent of the BIS). You can cancel your contract with it, but you can't get rid of it, nor can you erase the debt, unless you declare war, one Sovereign entity onto another.
The only path the US Constitution has within it to solve this problem is a declaration of war.
"Law" has nothing to do with ownership. It has everything to do with the Illusion of ownership. See my other post in this thread on "law" (just do a search for Natural Law).
Underestimate their power at your peril. Technically they control the U.S. Army through the United Nations. Of course enforcing that law (Treaty) might be problematic, but by law the United Nations controls all armies of every country that is a signatory to that treaty, including the United States.
Plus, they have all sorts of tech we have no fucking clue about. Personally, I think they have already been completely wiped out, and everything we see is just a movie, even if not all the actors realize who the director is.
The path to a successful future relies on us recognizing our own empowerment. WE must be the solution. I mean, "the military is the only way," but I'm fairly certain the military already did their thing, behind the scenes, to lead to us saving ourselves. We must recognize that we don't need someone to save us, or we will follow the savior. That is not the path to a future of actual liberty.
The only reason that a president of the US hasn't ended the Fed is that it gets them shot. It happened to JFK (bankers and CIA). It also happened to Reagan, but he was too tough to die. Trump has mentioned it, and there have been multiple assassination attempts against him.
No, that is not the only reason. Yes, we can end our contract with them. That is totally within the current powers of the US Govt. That doesn't negate our debt to them (legal obligation). To do that we have to declare war. We can just straight up go to war with them, no contract cancelling necessary. That is also in the powers of the US Govt. We cannot "end the Fed" without going to war because we have a Treaty with the BIS that declares that all agents of the BIS are Sovereign (read the link in the post you are responding to).
JFK tried to decouple the Treasury from the Fed. That may have been why he was shot, or it may have been because he threatened the C_A and fired Allen Dulles. But his silver certificate US dollar stuff would NOT have ended the Fed. It could have potentially led to that (by declaration of war, if people saw the fraud), but probably not. It just threw a wrench into their plans. It wouldn't have accomplished much except delay the inevitable.
My understanding is that our currency will be gold backed as opposed to "on the gold standard", which is subject to manipulation.
I am showing that gold backed won't work with the system that exists. I am not talking about the difference between "gold backed" or "the gold standard." That just expands the problem.
Agreed. It would not work. But the gold standard is irrelevant (because we will not be going down that road),. Also, Q said we already had the necessary gold in 2018. https://qalerts.app/media/4110bc07048657f82a2cd06f1667ad3057f65486106ced50b087bbdf32cfc4ca.jpg
It really doesn't matter how much gold there is, when credit collapses, gold is revalued to the point in which it washes away the debt to start anew. It's a useless proxxy for wealth, but the best one there is.
Everyone needs to quit thinking of the worth of gold in dollars. Dollars are crap now. Gold has worth in relation to other goods. An ounce of gold would buy a nice men's suit 100 years ago, and it still can. Forget the dollars.
As it applies to the only reason for money, it comes down to the "agreed upon" value of any item(s) being exchanged. Those values are subjective and can change in a moment of time. To a person trying to survive only few things are necessary.
I can think of things [THEY] want to control that are uncontrollable. That does not dissuade [THEM] from their desires.
Personally? I think that all of the Debt the US has accrued since the Deep State took over is going to be cancelled and wiped away.
We were relatively debt neutral or even debt free, but suddenly socialists and communists (Dems even as far back as FDR) have been spending and spending and spending and spending and spending. It really only came to a huge head with Bush, Obama, and Trump (thanks to D’s and R’s being big spenders), and now Obiden.
If you ask me, I think that debt taken on by literal traitors of the Nation won’t be honored nor paid back, especially when the largest debt owner we have is China... China who bought and blackmailed our political ruling class with the WEF and Soros. China who interfered in our elections, who inserted spies into our country and congress.
Why would WE THE PEOPLE pay the tab created by a bunch of traitors?
There was never a moment when the "Deep State took over." It has been under control (or at least heavy influence) of the Cabal since day one. It is built into the Constitution. Our government was designed to lead to the point where we are now. It was purposefully designed as a transition away from the monarchies into a world wide government under their control, all under the illusion of "freedom." That's a bigger discussion of course, but I've made arguments to support the statement many times and in great depth.
It's not "the Dems." Both sides have been Controlled Opposition for a very long time. "Good" ruler, "Bad" ruler, what do they have in common?
Look at the words you used, "political ruling class." That is the fraud, the thing both sides agree is necessary. It's not where the Left and the Right disagree that is the fundamental problem, it's where they agree. The key with controlled opposition is to lead both sides towards the same goal, while giving them plenty to disagree on so that the illusion of "debate," and/or "the enemy" is believed by the masses.
China (the CCP) was created by the Rockefellers (Institute of Pacific Relations). China was already owned by them (see the Opium Wars, the Boxer Rebellion and the Second Sino-Japanese war where the US and many other nations went back to China to protect American interests (Rockefeller interests)). The Communist Party was created by them through funding Mao to create a more complete rule and "the enemy" to set the wheels in motion for today. That's OK, the USSR was created by them as well. So was the United States government, both originally, and the one that we know today. So were the Nazis. ALL created by the same group, all set against each other to control the beliefs of the masses.
Nothing is what it appears to be. This has been going on a very long time. Expanding your scope is the hardest part. Every time you think you've hit the end, the expansion keeps going.
Was there a link?
A link to what?
I would like to see a return to the Coinage Act of 1792, or something very similar. The Act defined the proportional value of gold and silver as 15 units of pure silver to 1 unit of pure gold. Standard gold was defined as 11 parts pure gold to one part alloy composed of silver and copper. Standard silver was defined as 1485 parts pure silver to 179 parts copper alloy. The Act also specified the dollar as the "money of account" of the United States, and directed that all accounts of the federal government be kept in dollars, "dismes", cents, and "milles", a mille being one-tenth of a cent or one-thousandth of a dollar. The silver content of a dollar under this act was almost exactly equal to 1/5 of the silver content of the contemporary British pound sterling, or 4 British shillings.
When I say similar, I mean making coins from the mint the only legal and lawful tender of our Republic, but also making sure it the ratio of silver to gold is correct. Originally, it was set at 15 units of pure silver to 1 unit of pure gold. That was an unintentional mistake because the actual ration at that time was 16 to 1. As long as the ratio's are correct, silver, gold, and even platinum, could be the lawful / legal tender that could not be manipulated by any outside influence or force.
This system has numerous problems and vulnerabilities I have elaborated elsewhere in this thread. Namely:
Hoarding. Such a system is vulnerable to hoarding which has historically been the greatest threat to an economy prior to fractional reserve lending
Tying one metal to another subverts Supply/Demand. It automatically creates a worse vulnerability due to the hoarding problem.
Regulation. Insisting that the government control how free the Market is, gives too much power to the government. Let the Market be Free.
This is truly a mind-blowing thread in many ways.
"It is built into the Constitution. Our government was designed to lead to the point where we are now. It was purposefully designed as a transition away from the monarchies into a world wide government under their control, all under the illusion of "freedom." Could you expand on this or point to a source I can read or listen to?
Plus, a very stupid question in light of everything you've said. But, would you at this point invest in silver coins as a hedge against the collapse of the dollar? Or does it really matter bc we may be able to exchange dollars out for something else of value during whatever transition may come in the future?
These statements are a result of my own investigation. You can read my report here on how The Machine was created, but what is there now is only a start of my report, and doesn't yet get into the government. It is, as of now, only showing that there is a single corporation in the world, and a single body of people that run it. The next section, which I hope to get out very soon, will show that that same group of people (Rockefeller et al) created the entire medical system, they control everything taught in all schools, they control all science, etc.
As for the specifics on government, I have talked about it so much on this board, with details laid out all over, but I haven't really put it into a single comprehensive post.
You can start with this statement I made which opens up the door a little bit, which was in response to this thread The thread has a follow up post with links to the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, which is a fascinating read. Of course the Protocols has been "debunked," but when you learn who "debunked" it, and you really dig into who that person is and when and how they debunked it, it takes on a whole new context. Who that person (Allen Dulles) is, and what he has done and who he works for will be coming out in my report. He's one of the biggest red pills there is, but it takes a fair bit of digging to get the full impact.
I think the "most in one place" details that I have elaborated is contained in a debate I had with bubble_bursts where I go into some pretty good detail on the government problem. It's a pretty long debate though. The culmination is the best part (found here) and might be able to stand alone, but following the whole thread is probably the best way to understand the whole context. The problem is, the conversation branches quite a bit and tries to derail. Following it also requires clicking on the "continue reading thread?" sections that are kinda all over the place. Because it branches, with sometimes multiple responses, it can be hard to follow. Even we got confused on the timing of some responses.
The best evidence is found in the Constitution itself. I'm not sure if I elaborate that in the conversation with bubble_bursts. I do hint at it in the first GAW post linked above (not the first link above, that goes to my website, but the one after), but it is light on details. Again, I have so many posts on this. I really need to put them all in one folder and/or write up something formally (other than in my notes and scattered on GAW). I will do that at some point.
Absolutely. Just because I don't think the destruction of the dollar will be accompanied by a complete destruction of our economy, as some suspect, doesn't mean I think it won't hurt. On the contrary, I think it will hurt quite a bit. It HAS to hurt for people to be willing to choose a different path. The fraud must be completely revealed. That's gonna be accompanied by some pain. I think silver is the very best hedge there is, just because it is so massively undervalued just as a commodity, outside of it's potential value as an intermediary of exchange for barter.
Thank you so much. So kind of you to take the time to give me such a detailed response. I will be digesting it all when I have a quiet moment to do so.