I've been noticing that this here forum/home of ours has been getting increasingly more focused on "typical" conspiracy theory fare. I can get down with a lot of it tbh, I've been digging into most of the various topics I see now for years...BUT...for normies coming here, we HAVE to stick to as much factual information as possible.
Think about how all these posts about Biden being a clone or actor look to normies...or even some of Pentagon videos...
The post about Paul Walker and the Clinton Foundation with no sauce and just a low res snippet of an article...somewhere...
The reason the Anon community and Q has kept up momentum and has made such an impact is because it's been grounded in evidence. Typically evidence that comes out of mainstream news sources that normies read. We just connect some dots that normies are brainwashed out of.
Q hasn't posted in a long time. Many Anons are tired of the battles/war. We were warned this would be the case, so let's refocus. r/conspiracy became a wasteland of crap over time but it was allowed to exist for a reason. It was mostly junk and no one cared about what was posted because it was so outlandish that normies never bought into any of it.
Let's at least not sticky posts like the one claiming Biden is an actor when the images are clearly explained with the simplest explanation...plastic surgery. (All due respect to OP on that one)
This is an information war and there are likely dozens of groups who want this board shut down or delegitimized. What's the easiest way to do that?
Make us all look like nutjobs and flood the board with posts that mimic conspiracy boards of old.
Heads on a swivel Anons.
Truth is stranger than fiction.
Question everything. Especially if fact-checkers say it's not true and they remove information off their search engine.
Also question suicide hangings from door's with the Clinton's. Paul Walker is a bit of a stretch, but I guess anything's possible.
A little bit of gatekeeping is always necessary, look at how many times we've been flooded with flerfer and moon hoax nonsense right when something happens that brings newbies in here in an attempt to discredit us and scare them off.
Great comment and spot on, IMO... 👍
Spot on, BigMike. My comment to OP is this:
We honestly have already come a long way since the flat earther infestation on this site, amongst other things the Mods and community have dealt with.
BUT
...If you think Biden got multiple plastic surgeries that all make him look older and more frail, then i think you need to pull your head out of your ass and educate yourself.
First, ask yourself a few basic questions:
And why would the MSM allow this footage to be played on their channels, live in their news coverage, when they have the ability to edit things that are filmed live, because there is a built in 2 minute delay during livefeeds? Why would they air this live for all the normies to see?
Why is there a very high resolution stock photo of "him" on Getty images with a clear view of a tab right below his earlobe? (For reference, Getty images are all copyrighted, stock images. These are LEGIT images, not adulterated.) This tab is clearly part of the mask prosthetic that this actor/person portraying Biden was wearing at that time. This image is still on Getty images and in their permanent catalogue for all to see and use with a subscription to their services.
Why is "pResident" Biden getting "plastic surgery" every few months? His appearance is constantly changing.
Does plastic surgery also alter voice now? Why does he even need plastic surgery to alter his voice? And why so many surgeries to alter his voice with each different appearance of a different looking pResident?
It's not a conspiracy theory. It is conspiracy fact: there are different Bidens. It is more of a conspiracy theory to suggest plastic surgery, lol.
Educate yourself, OP.
Fuck me you have a long way to go. Don't worry someone in the government will do your thinking for you.
Unfortunately, even in the most "critically thinking" communities you still have your verboten topics. Being awake for 10 years I've seen some hilarious examples of hypocrisy when it comes to questioning things we've been taught. It's gatekeeping all the way down to some degree or another.
Eventually you learn to just let people go at their own pace and try to meet them where they're currently at. Some things are simply bigger hurdles for people to process than others.
voat.co
Raised as a mormon we were taught that when the prophet speaks (church president) the thinking has been done for you.
Calling this conspiracy proven is one HELL of a stretch, anon.
If you wanna bark up this tree then let me just say that literally nothing can actually be proven to be absolutely true or false. If you think I'm wrong then try to find a perfect circle. It doesn't exist. Pi has no end. ....and yet we use it all the time. Our reality is nothing but close approximations and pragmatic shades of gray.
Agreed.
Well said.
What about clips of Trump repeatedly making statements such as:
etc?
Psaki slipped up one time and said Biden lived in Delaware.
What’s your point? That Biden has dementia or something more?
The optics are that Biden has dementia, but when you read between the lines it appears Trump is trying to convey a message that Biden has been executed by firing squad.
After reading back through those statements by Trump a second time, I agree, that’s exactly what he’s saying with each one. The last one, I’d assume means he’s buried in Delaware. Good pickup.
There was a video of biden early on at podium outside whitehouse...the film glitched and shoed bidens head (right side) a bloody mess
Oh come on then why wouldn't he just say it. All this speculation of codes being delivered when everyone just says shit out loud these days anyway.
Also, if the white hats are sophisticated enough to have infiltrated, killed ,and replaced the president, why let the charade continue?
Part of draining the swamp required allowing the enemy to believe they were in control and could continue getting away with their corrupt activities, thereby exposing themself.
So is the suggestion that the white hats assassinated and replaced the president, but nobody else, including his family and colleagues, notice?
This predates the 2020 election. It is presumed that others such as Hunter may have either taken a plea deal or been replaced themself.
I'm glad I have a fan. Happy to have you tag along on my adventures! You just let me know if you need anything.
Or maybe when some read between the lines…I take it as simplicity….Biden has dementia and that is all Trump is saying.
Trump can't always say things directly, we have to make our best interpretation.
exactly, like Kasich saying on national T.V. that No Name was executed. not many people realized what he meant by that, but Anons did.
And I believe the best interpretation is Biden has had brain surgeries and has dementia,…along with plastic surgery and inappropriate showers….others may see different.
Most of us see things differently. It is so obvious it's embarrassing for those who can't see the current fake president is not the original Joe Biden.
https://yandex.com/images/search?from=tabbar&text=Old%20joe%20biden%20vs%20new%20joe%20biden
https://jameshfetzer.org/wp-content/uploads/The-Real-Joe-Biden-vs.-Actor-.jpg
Thought this result from that link was pretty good.
Indeed!
I suppose Biden being an actor leads people to other ideas such as devolution which could be a good thing.
The inauguration was as invalid as the 2020 election, you have to take on board how fake the whole admin is don't you?
What's the big leap to Joe Biden being an actor? Trump has hinted at it a few times:
"Joe doesn't know he's alive"
"He's only got half his head"
Anyone with a military background that sees the videos of the military turning their backs on the "Biden" motorcade knows something isn't right
So those who know see that as conspiracy fact. Any mod or user who doesn’t know about number of cannons or shots for a president versus a foreign dignitary will say that belongs on conspiracy.win.
Beat me to it 😉.
You got the proper quotes in fren!
Mine were just approximations!
I would agree with this statement to the extent that you are suggesting that Trump is arguably trying to tell us something. I am all for exploring any possible theory - clearly the world is bat shit crazy right now so let's have a discussion. Is Trump telling us Biden is dead? Maybe. Given the CIA mask lady video it's entirely possible IMO.
But our credibility as skeptics is seriously diminished when, for example, in the same post someone suggests the guy pretending to be Biden is wearing a mask, but also, the guy pretending be Biden is just an actor that looks like the new Biden. If the fake Biden is wearing a mask, why does the person wearing the mask have to look like the Biden? Isn't the point of a mask is you no longer look like you? I think OP's point is important. Internal inconsistencies like that are discrediting.
I see what you mean, but if somebody is to look like another person by wearing a mask, they have to have suitable features. For example, their face has to be the right length, their eyes the right depth and distance apart and their nose and chin not bigger than the person being acted.
I discount a lot of actors from playing Biden because their features are too far out to disguise.
That is pretty weak sauce tbh
I agree OP. You said what I have been hesitating to say. Low energy posts getting stickied, less verified content. Leads me to wonder, have many jumped to different media/forums? Are there many Goats left?
No offense intended toward Mods, it a thankless job. Content slide has been noted, however.
Yes, content slide is a great way to put it.
Yea. I’ve noticed trying to turn maga and anons into just another “conspiracy” rabbit hole where nothing gets accomplished. It’s on many forums.
“Let's at least not sticky posts like the one claiming Biden is an actor when the images are clearly explained with the simplest explanation...plastic surgery. (All due respect to OP on that one)…”
Didn’t know plastic surgery left tabs on the ear. Or all the different faces of “Joe.” Or the thick lines on his neck that move. Or the pinching/scratching of the neck that stays raised and in place waaay too long. Or the CIA lady making a VIDEO on how they make masks that fool presidents and world leaders. Or H-wood movies that literally show you what they can do with masks. Or 45’s many remarks about Joe being “shot” and he’s s not himself, his head is half gone, etc.
Ya, don’t believe your lying eyes or think for yourself.
This is gatekeeping.
Must be over the target this morning 🎯🎯🎯🎯
Gatekeepers are a danger to our republic. I believe it is possible that Alex Jones is used as a gatekeeper. He can reveal truth in such a way that that people hear the truth but never spread it because of where they heard it.
I tend to shake my head in wonder at those that assume our whole and entire purpose was meant to simply focus on the Q drops.
Q tuned us up and turned us loose. The purpose of Q was to demonstrate that shit was happening, why it was happening and to START DIGGING!
The purpose of Q wasn't to spoon feed us and limit where we dug or what we dug up.
Everything is up for questioning. We were told over and over again by Q that almost nothing is what it seems or what we were indoctrinated to believe it was.
So...
Edited to add: Since the Q drops have stopped, and been stopped for a while, are we then supposed to just retread the same ground over and over and over until Q drops something new and approved for this sort of mindset to have permission to research into?
Great comment - I concur 100%!
This is great. This is why we don't have strict definitions of what's "on Q" and what's not. The main focus has to be on high-effort, high-info posts and comments that move our narratives forward. Yes, not everything we have in here is precisely "on Q," but, ultimately, well don't want to turn inwards and just noodle around in one place. Our job is ultimately always taking deep state scalps and destroying their BS narratives.
I also suggest that this IS a community. Many of us also occasionally come here for shelter from the storms outside.
Personally, I appreciate that the mods do allow some general "community" threads to remain up as we all try to keep each other's morale up as we man the lines in this info war.
We do. It quickly gets out of hand, however.
That's why mods!
Y'all do a great job of keeping on the Train with No Breaks!!! btw.
There is a thread on Twitter with various posts (sauce) pointing out how Biden no longer looks like Biden. It is hitting the normies - perhaps our posts that are "crazier" but with sauce are helping more than you realize.
I agree with you. This is something that normies can see with their own two eyes, rather than having to change their minds or think through a problem.
My dad is 84 and looks nothing like he did 5 years ago. That's aging.
There's a balance between needing content every day or the forum will go bare. I think the mods here do a great job compared to many other places on the interwebs.
When we see posts that are low effort and/or not backed up with good facts, the comments are our opportunity to help let the truth shine. In the end that's the whole point, let's get the truth out there no matter how uncomfortable it is.
Any post that gets somebody wondering whether the Biden administration is real or not is a good post.
Thank you Anon. We appreciate the support. ;)
Keep up the good fight! I know it's not easy keeping a place like this in good shape
I notice content slide every time real news breaks the same small subset of people start posting multiple nonsense posts.
This is why we sticky things to get them into /RISING.
The top comments on PDW are always the most retarted take on said subject followed by forum sliding into talking about Obama’s dick.
It’s all so fake and noticeable. It’s a handshake account sock puppet breeding ground. Then they come here and try to use the same plays on us.
I completely agree with you. Posting evidence and fact-based sources is best for the movement. Some of the other speculative theory posts can be entertaining but that is not what GAW is for, that is for conspiracies.win
GAW is first and foremost a Q research site! We go heavy on the research and sources! Memes are welcome, commentary is welcome, but we can't be grasping at straws. We gotta back up what we state with evidence and sources.
The date fagging can be fun too but from talking to people in real life that jumped off the Q train, the date fagging and the wild theories being pushed with little to no evidence were what pushed people off the movement.
The evidence on Bidens facial differences from pre-Obama to present is well documented. Some photos i suspect may be photoshopped like the Rodgers actor compared with Biden but the likeness is there. The ear lobes are different. Videos several times of what looks like a mask. The facial characteristics are different. The evidence is there.
This has been getting sooo bad lately. So much stuff gets posted with no links, no references, no information, just a blurry picture and then anyone who asks for information gets flayed in the comments as if they're threatening to stomp on the flag.
Yeah that kind of thing has been throwing me off lately. I've got a few normie's in my life who come here to lurk once in a while to see what's being talked about. People who are convinced Q is 100% fake. The kind that think Anons are mostly white supremacists, and see Trump as a religious/cult leader.
I'm all for free speech and discussing whatever topics people want. We can upvote whatever we want. I don't think anything should change. No gatekeeping going on here. I can see why some see it that way but was intended as a reminder that the Anon community has been so effective at changing minds because we stick to evidence.
An example would be...if I shared a link to the Paul Walker/Clinton Foundation story with any of those normies I know, what am I giving them?
A blurry photo with a text quote that isn't sourced or verifiable.
Always good to remind ourselves what the mission is here.
Yeah it makes the whole site look like a clickbait tabloid rag
It's clearly a different Biden.
Waving the fact that every aspect of his appearance is significantly different, including ONLY ONE earlobe that is now connected is just stupidity. It's a different body- whether it's being animated by whatever was controlling the old Joe Biden (whether it be his consciousness- maybe "Get Out" is actually documentary- or a demon) is irrelevant- there's still a Satanist Pedophile in the White House.
Conspiracy is important to track and understand. Q shared a lot of real stuff, which tricked a ton of people into inaction in the hopes that something momentous would happen.
Isaiah 8:12-13
"“Do not call conspiracy everything this people calls a conspiracy; do not fear what they fear, and do not dread it. The Lord Almighty is the one you are to regard as holy, he is the one you are to fear, he is the one you are to dread."
Don't trust Q, don't trust Trump, don't trust "The Plan".
Trust God.
Love God and love your neighbor as yourself. Act justly, love mercy, and walk humbly with our God.
Something I'm not seeing mentioned is that we DO have the ability to self-police via use of the downvote buttons on this forum but I have seen very little use of it recently, like people have forgotten. If you don't think a post belongs here, downvote or deport.
I somewhat agree. It would be really nice if those posting make sure each post has some good evidence to back it up. We don’t want mods to have to work harder than they already do. Many recent articles are sort of empty, such as the photos of Joe which can be explained as a mask, or as a double, or in other logical ways… he certainly had had a few facelifts. … I’m here because those nuggets of GOLD with solid info are still being posted and stickied. It’s just that I’m wading through the “iffy” ones to find the gold. And, I notice there are phases of time where the junk shows up, and it realize it’s a “slow news time” for those of us here to really hear about the progress of the swamp draining. And so much more inspiration here.
That said, MAGA kudos to all the awesome mods. They are doing a fantastic job, and I don’t mind some wading, but I do see the point about the less informed coming here.
has anyone found any evidence of Joe having a face lift? Neck lift? or any facial surgery of any type? Seems like there would be a significant period of time he was out of the public view. Or pics early on with facial bruising, etc. It seems to me that the healing effects of a face lift of that magnitude would have been obvious to the public, or that some public announcement would have been made. That kind of surgery doesn't heal quickly.
With respect to Biden, I have no doubt world leaders use look alikes in some cases. Hillary definitely did. The one thing that gave me pause about Biden is the image with blue eyes and the one with brown eyes. Plastic surgery doesn't do that. With that said, I still think it is just another distraction because it doesn't matter if it is a double. He is still Biden to the masses and is still implementing their plan.
I disagree. The Biden double is the most obvious to the sheeple, I went into an office last week and the local conspiracy guy had that comparison photo of the two up on his wall, which sparked an office wide conversation.
Flat earth, aliens, underground cities, maybe.
There aren’t many new people coming here anymore. I wouldn’t start restricting free speech on this platform.
Also, Juan says there are four Biden actors, he’s probably right.
Agreed. Let's shy away from retarded shit like "flat earth" and "no planes on 9/11" and stick to what we can prove. That's what we're supposed to be doing anyway.
This entire realm is a giant conspiracy from top to bottom. Truth is stranger than fiction and we've been lied to about everything. If this board doesn't dig into topics than no one else will. The time to silence our unquenched curiosity and expanding consciousness to placate empty-headed goofs that can't see anything amiss in the world is over, IMO.
Before anyone makes it to "Q," they will have almost certainly gone through a fair bit of "conspiracy theory" stuff. Very little of the bigger controversial information will likely be new to a "normie" that has made it this far. What sets apart a good board from a bad one is not the topics, but the debate.
Talking about even something as "out there" as "Flat Earth" is good because of the evidence that is presented and the debate that occurs. If the debate is sufficiently well thought out it can give everyone something to think about (hopefully). I mean, Q addressed FE, moon landing, aliens, puppets, actors, etc.. Suggesting we shouldn't debate evidence on those topics would be ludicrous.
While I'm sure many, even here, think they know the truth, I suggest no one really knows what the whole truth is about anything. What we can do is present evidence and bring the Gestalt of Many Minds to apply to it through the process of debate. Encouraging such debate is essential. Attempting to cater to the hypothetical "normie" by not presenting the evidence at all, thus stifling debate on it won't help anyone, new or old member, get closer to understanding the truth.
I agree.
Is this a site dedicated to uncovering the truth or is now a site to introduce normies to the truth?
Seems like the latter. Feels like a bit over-policing lately.
Incorrect, frog. Q laid these topics to rest for a reason. As per sidebar (as well as long-established modding policies), these topics will be removed, and frogs that cannot keep to this policy will eventually find themselves on the sidelines. Frogs are more than welcome to have opinions about and discuss these topics on other WINs.
Q did NOT lay those topics to rest. Wow, that's not even close to what happened. Let's take a look:
This says nothing about the films of the moon landing. It says nothing about what they found there. It says nothing about the programs that exist outside the public domain, only that they exist. In fact this encourages discussion on these topics. Silencing them then, goes directly against the apparent designs of Q's intent.
We are not alone. Should we not then discuss this topic? Should we ignore evidence on this topic? Has this "put to rest" ANYTHING on this topic?
Maybe we should talk about it. Maybe silencing it is the worst thing you can do according to Q.
OK, maybe this one is "put to rest," BUT there is some very interesting ideas that come out of some of these discussions that encourage further exploration of Q and/or the other topics that come up. These things help other's see the evidence. It shows the debate that we have, it shows the evidence. It helps people see the truth. Silencing does nothing but clear up a post or two every once in a while. while shutting down others getting the information they need.
As for puppets, or actors, I don't think I need to go there, since I doubt you meant we shouldn't talk about those.
Again, conspiracies.WIN.
If Q (or GEOTUS, or *current * somehow in some way move the Overton Window to that topic, it will be all hands on deck. Till then, it will be on conspiracies.WIN.
Does this discussion 1) say anything not currently being discussed, at length, on conspiracies.WIN, and 2) does it move us closer to The Storm? If not, no, then it belongs elsewhere.
Note: GAW is a current events site. If it's not topical, then it belongs elsewhere.
Again, Q wanted us to talk about this stuff.
Q talked about it before. Shutting down the conversation on stuff that Q gave us to talk about goes directly against Q. This is not a Q board if we are not supposed to talk about Q stuff. It is instead a "what catsfive believes" board. Not the best look to be an information tyrant when professing to be against the information tyranny that got us here.
From the sidebar:
If Q talked about it, and left the door open, it's hardly "fringe" now is it?
So not exactly a "current events site" now is it, because it is also a "topics Q has raised" site.
The above sideboard quote does not say "keep posts related to topics Q has raised or that are current that catsfive approves of." The "catsfive approval" part is not on there.
Q raised these topics. Q encouraged these topics with his address. You shutting it down has NOTHING to do with GAW or its stated rules. It has to do with what catsfive wants, and nothing more.
You are the one not following the rules based purely on what you personally think "people should be talking about." Guiding the conversation of a group according to your designs sounds a whole lot like some other people who most would consider "bad actors."
I wish I had more time to do research and post sources I think are relative to the cause, but I have been busy with work and time becomes a more valuable commodity as you get older. I have always been interested with the "future proves past" notion, and some other Q-isms such as "trust the plan," etc. Maybe summer will bring a fresh opportunity. I do admit I am weary yet leery too - al lot of info hits this board and in the end it is up to the individual to decipher it all, and that can be daunting.
There are pictures on Getty of “Biden” clearly wearing a mask. You’re clueless
Plastic surgery changes eye color? and your signature?
Nice concern trolling. Really. Anyway, relax - very few are here anymore. And certainly not normies. Glowies destroyed T_D on reddit, then splintered GAW from PDW in Jan of 2020. Very odd how it all went down. My guess is PDW has some glowtard mods and maybe here too. Definitely some good posters with good links so I still lurk but hardcore commenting? Not any more.
Freedom of speech includes being able to talk about what you consider “conspiracy theories”.
GAW is a subset of freedom of speech. See this for more:
https://greatawakening.win/p/15JnBLYwmE/welcome-newcomers-with-geotus-no/
Lol this dude.
Start in the middle, go back to the beginning, leads you to the end and opens a world of rabbit holes.
Take Milley Weaver’s doc on data mining. She does exactly the above. For me, that documentary brought me to focus on Op Paperclip. From there I realized the allied forces lost WW2. I also realized USA simply absorbed Nazism and all of it tech and science advancements gained through human experimentation.
Fast forward to the 90s and supposedly sheep were being cloned. It’s safe to assume that was disclosure that human cloning also possible/probable.
Now think about GPS, utilizes 2.5 decades before being released to the public. Same as AI today in my opinion. Now use this factual knowledge to explain to me how “Human Cloning” is just a fringe theory. If you actually care about human trafficking (including body parts), then you should be intrinsically interested in human cloning. Last time I checked, Q is about the children and trafficking in humans amongst other things.
I don't think it's all that unreasonable to believe that human cloning could/has happened. But then there's the issue of age difference. A cloned human isn't going to happen like in the movie Multiplicity. It still starts off as a baby and has to grow up.
And why would you even need to clone someone when it's clearly easier to just get a look alike or use masks or use plastic surgery to make a double? It's just making things needlessly complicated.
Regardless of the age issue….. if you clone a human, you have exact matches for body parts, stem cells, blood, etc.
With regards to the age issue, the question is, do we have the ability to speed up the aging process? I can’t say one way or the other. It’s an unknown within an unknown. My gut tells me humans have been cloned, without question. I’d say it’s possible that we also have rapid aging as well though I don’t know to what extent or how viable it is.
I could’ve told you on September 10 2001 that brown men with box cutters were going to fly three planes into iconic buildings; or in 2006 that Donald Trump would lead the nation to prosperity and wage war on the Illuminati; or in December of 2019 that the next two years we would experience totalitarian regimes across the nation the likes of which we have never seen: It’s all crazy talk until it happens.
So perhaps they are trafficking cloned children.
Why? Like the cloned Biden issue, it's just needlessly complicated.
The amount of money involved in cloning people would be astronomical. It would be far, far cheaper just to pay people for their children. Or just steal them. It's not like there's any shortage of desperate and/or evil people in the world that would sell their kids for a couple grand. It's the main reason why we have so much child trafficking already.
I just don't see why anyone needs to come up with these overly complicated scenarios when there's ample evidence that there are far, far easier and cheaper ways to accomplish their goals.
Biden clone posts should be banned
Really? Can you explain WHY?
Dolly the sheep, a complex mammal was cloned July 5, 1996. How far do you think they've come in 17 years?
It's very simple to clone something: HOW TO CLONE:
https://www.answersmore.com/what-are-the-5-steps-of-gene-cloning/
The reason that they say there are no human clones is because it would be UNETHICAL to clone a human.
Do you believe something being unethical has ever stopped someone?
Surely the Covid jab intended to kill, maim and sterilize would have taught you otherwise by now.
'You gotta source for that" is just a basement dwelling leftist desperation to try to swim out of losing an argument.
It's not my job to convince you what you see is real. It's your job to prove what you see isn't.
Here's a great resource that will help you OP. https://qalerts.app/?q=
The Rusty Shackleford YouTube page(Which we presume to be McCafee related, Also because of the unique descriptions above the videos that had a lot of Q like messaging and characters) which has been deleted (but still the Google Drive is up with the Epstein island drone vids & images) had a video that was a very well done farewell to Paul Walker and I think Ryan Dunn was in it and I’m pretty sure it’s connected to Chester Pennington and chris Cornett as well.
So the sauce is semi-palpable in that case in my opinion but I understand your standards and I respect ur point
I enjoy it waiting for Q to post again. I think it is fine to discuss these things here ( the truth would put 90% in the hospital). Maybe not for your first introduction for a normie. Start with maybe building 7 and move ever so slowly towards lizard people live at the center of flat earth.
Building 7 is based in fact, the rest of what you said needs to stay over in conspiracy.win rather than potentially poisoning the well here. Before you accuse me of not wanting to "accept the whole truth" my counter is "in what way does the far out there stuff help our current objective right now?" We can discuss that stuff plenty after we get our country back.
uh you all already look like the biggest nut jobs. embrace the diversity!