I've been thinking what the destruction of Nordstream 2 means for patriots. For me it brings a lot of uncertainty about what to believe.
Many are putting the blame on the US as the only country that gained from the destruction of the pipeline. Most of those are not distinguishing the US from the deep state cabal.
I had always thought as many others here do that Joe Biden was possibly an actor, but if the US did actually bomb the pipeline that leaves us in a quandry. It was speculated that Biden can't control the military. If the military bombed the pipeline who gave the orders. Was it actually Biden? Was it some rogue commander in the Navy? If so who does he get his orders from?
Another possibility is the CIA/Mossad has not expended all their ammunition as has been assumed, and they can put together resources to carry out some very difficult missions. They just froze Germany and Europe's asses off this coming winter, and impacted their industrial strength for many years to come. What else are the capable of doing?
One thing seems for certain; securing Ukraine and defeating Russia is critical to their plans or they would have given up at this point. What is in Ukraine that is so central to their plans?
You ask some very good questions. What I find fascinating is the more I learn the more I understand how much I don't know. That's what brings me back to this site daily.
Agreed. I don't have any clear idea what's going on with many current events. But here, I can at least read a variety of opinions that haven't been filtered by the MSM propaganda machine.
You make some very interesting observations. You are right, how can Brandon not know where he is and still be able to ride a bike? I never thought of that one thanks!
Easy. Knowing where you are is in one part of the brain. Knowing how to ride a bicycle is mostly muscle reflexes, not thought.
One commentator laid it to the feet of MI6, which would implicate the UK.
The rational approach is to entertain healthy suspicions, but wait and see.
They say you never forget how to ride a bicycle--that is a motor learning, by the cerebellum and spine, no real thought required, so it could be true.
Since there is no complete agreement on whether it is him, or if whoever he is is acting, none of us really know. We can only test our theories.
This was a NATO/UN op. The pedo death cult has a strangle hold on these institutions. Anything incapable of being done because of the US deep states lack of control here is done by them. The US deep state is just one arm of the pedo death cult octopus and while Patriots are in Control there are still rogue actors within our government they dont have complete control over.
The calls are being made by the illuminati families, the black nobility, the secret societies. They have abundant resources and many, many minions across the world due to the unchallenged nature of the last 6000 years of their plot to enslave. We are in year 6 of active resistance. Shit will slip through.
I've seen the memes where they have something like six significantly distinct Joe faces, with different eyes (even different color!), ears, teeth, hairlines and hair density, voice too. But they do seem to have a few things in common, like dementia and obsession with little kids.
That said, we all know he ain't in charge of neither Jack nor squat. It should also be remembered that military has lots of secrets, special forces kept apart, Intel has their own squads, heck even the dang post office has armed corps. Not unbelievable to think that there's some elites (mk?) commanded by some elites who ran a "training exercise" that happened to be live but they may never remember it might all die suddenly in a training helicopter accident.
Threats are his MO aren't they. Burisma. He loves to bully the weak like most pedos.
Well put. Puts into perspective why, as per Q, only a handful of people understand the big picture.
forgive me if I fuck up the quote, but wasn't it Confucius who said something like
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Thank you for making me do some research!
“The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.” --Socrates
"To know what you know and know that you don't know what you don't know — that is the characteristic of one who knows." —Confucius
Glad I could help even if i fucked up the quote lol
(keks in ancient Greek)
always glad to meet a fan of So Crates.
The EU is the core of the NWO. EU citizens have been waking up over the course of the last several years. Farage awakened enough people in the UK to push Brexit, we can argue about the political execution, but the majority of the UK voters wanted it.
Through his arrogance Macron woke up people in France, creating the Gilet Jaune movement. Covid has pushed it farther. Sweden of all places just went right and of course Italy did too.
What does the purported destruction of the Nordstream pipelines cause in the grand scheme of things? Does it lull Europeans back to sleep or does it push them to the precipice and shock them from their sleep?
Before this event there could be hope a political solution might be reached to get the gas flowing before winter. Now that hope seems lost and a lot of fingers are pointing at the U.S. as the culprit. Does that create motivation for citizens to jojn the military to take up arms against Russia? Or does it cause them to resent the U.S., NATO, and the EU?
i saw him speak last night here in australia and he said the same thing regarding the EU. also said chyna was our biggest threat along with the glob-ulists.
Its super curious they're not showing the destruction. Its like 250 ft deep is all. If the US was turning on the EU because they know they can't win, it would make sense to make them dependent on what the US Cabal could do. I dunno. All I can say is if Russia bombed a pipeline of ours, I'm pretty sure there'd be big fireworks. Then again, if my ultimate goal was WWIII and total depopulation and I had bunkers and I was a maniac, it might all make sense.
If it's a show, maybe I not destroyed?
How would any of us know for sure? They control all we see outside of alternative media and we don't have helicopters and such to actually go there and look. Ya know? Moon landing?
That's a good conspiracy theory (not saying that derisively). If Russia staged this without actually damaging pipeline, they could force Germany to push for a peace deal between Russia and Ukraine. It's in international waters though and Russia only owns a very small percentage of the pipelines so they would have egg on their face once the FF was discovered since they control the flow into the pipeline.
Yeah we had ROVs streaming footage of Deepwater Horizon from 18,000 feet down.
Ikr, something is not right here, just saying
That is a possibility. I saw some video of the gas coming to the surface, and it didn't look like a lot of gas to me. I've worked in the oil and gas industry almost all my life, and I've seen greater flow just blowing down wells.
IIRC it took a week or so for them to mobilize the deep see robots.
deep sea robots?
You are saying that as if the US is betraying the EU. Russia had extreme leverage over Europe, in particular Germany. German citizens were beginning to protest against their own government to open the pipelines back up. The US (and probably German leadership) doesn't want any European countries folding to Russia pressure.
If the pipeline is destroyed, all of the leverage is gone. European citizens are now permanently screwed for the winter. More importantly though they can no longer give into Russian pressure to make it better.
Hell, if the US did this, they probably had buy in from Germany and a lot of the EU leadership. I wouldn't even be surprised if Germany did it themselves.
The EU has it's greatest stranglehold on Germany. Now they will lose everything when the people revolt. They won't be able to make a deal and stop it. They also needed it for leverage. Now, they're just gonna get millions upon millions of starving and freezing people. No optics will correct it and they have no options to fix it. They may be cannibalized in the end here. Marie Antoinette had it good compared to what these beaurocrats have to look forward to. Elites? Got a castle? Prolly won't anymore when the hordes attack. If people are dying anyway, they have nothing to lose. No need for anything but sticks and rocks if you're already dying. If they kill 200, 2000 will replace them and on and on until only the peasants remain. Yup.
Germany is still obligated to pay Russia for gas even if they don’t receive any, according to Vox Day.
Contracts like usually stipulate that you pay if you don't take, but not if you don't recieve. So long as the product is offered you can't refuse to pay even if you refuse to take.
I call bullshit. Nothing was destroyed and it’s all for optics.
Well possible!
scare event necessary
Yep, they either provide receipts or suck my dick.
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Any commentary that suggests only the USA benefits from this is disingenuous and should be disregarded. The obvious #1 benefactor (in terms of nation states) would be Ukraine, who will be running out of soldiers in the near future.
Additionally, are there any other countries in the region with pipelines that will now be used instead of N1 & N2?
>>> Additionally, are there any other countries in the region with pipelines that will now be used instead of N1 & N2?
Norwegian Gas Pipeline Opens in Poland after Russian Cut
Israel Steps up to the Plate
Yes there is! And it opened Tuesday. hmmm So it's not just the US that benefits from the Russian pipelines being damaged or destroyed.
https://www.euronews.com/2022/09/27/baltic-pipe-norway-poland-gas-pipeline-opens-in-key-move-to-cut-dependency-on-russia Leaders from Poland, Norway and Denmark have attended a ceremony to mark the opening of the new Baltic Pipe, a key stage in the drive to wean Poland and Europe off Russian gas.
The pipeline will transport natural gas from the Norwegian shelf via Denmark and through the Baltic Sea to Poland. It is the centrepiece of a Polish strategy to diversify away from Russia that began years before Moscow’s February invasion of Ukraine triggered a global energy crisis.
The flows from Norway along with supplies via liquefied gas terminals are central to Poland's plan. The country was cut off from Russian gas supplies in April, allegedly for refusing to pay in roubles.
"The era of Russian domination in the field of gas is coming to an end, the era that was marked by blackmail, threats and extortion," Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki said at the inauguration at Budno in western Poland.
So.. if russia was feeling squirrelly they could sabotage some pipelines in retalliation 😅
I suspect there is easily enough demand for the Norwegian pipeline to stay busy even without the destruction of Nordstream.
Also, destroying a competing pipeline is an incredibly ballsy and risky move, I don't know a lot about Norway but it doesn't seem to me it fits their MO.
I do know a lot about deep-state USA though, CIA etc, and it 1000% fits their MO.
For me, at present, Occam's razor points to US based interests.
Don't forget the Rand Report. https://godskingdom.org/blog/2022/09/the-rand-report-on-the-ukraine-war
And your three main weapons are...?
Um, lutefisk, Scandinavian humor, and short beds?
I confess!
"The pipeline will transport natural gas from the Norwegian shelf via Denmark and through the Baltic Sea to Poland." Up to now Poland has made no delivery contracts with Norway because Norway insisted on market prices which Poland refused to pay. They called the Norwegian stance as "ridiculous". Now they gave in, but it can be too late for winter.
"The country was cut off from Russian gas supplies in April, allegedly for refusing to pay in roubles." No. Poland had long term contracts with Russia. They succesfully got out of those contracts on their demand. They stopped buying Russian natural gas! Poland wasn´t cut off, they themselves stopped the shipping of natural gas through the Jamal pipeline. They stopped the delivery regardless the buyer! Each country owns the pipeline part on it´s territory so they could do it.
Any nation that benefits from fueling tensions between Russia, and the west is suspect in my opinion. For example, China is undoubtedly pleased by this turn of events.
And, this could also be an act of corporate sabotage committed by non-state corporate rivals, too. Figuring out who is really behind this is going to be nearly impossible.
Also, let us not forget the recent deaths of several key players in the Russian oil industry.
"Fueling" tension? You're killing me.
This really good and thoughtful analysis from JustHuman was up here yesterday and presents a really plausible explanation. I thought so anyway. https://rumble.com/v1lw2ew-here-is-what-i-think-about-the-nordstream-1-and-2-sabotage-at-this-time..html
This further strengthens the devolution theory. Also: Clandestine just brought to attention the deep state and how they have been trying to obtain submarines. He also said the Ghizface Maxwell was a certified submarine pilot. The plot thickens
She isn't. I think the point that Clandestine was trying to make is that they (deep state) has their own trained personnel. A submarine doesn't necessarily need to be associated with a specific military. If that cunt can pilot one, surely many others can as well.
Another thing about maxwell - her company was Terra Mar which is Latin for something like “sea country” and had to do with oceans/international waters https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_TerraMar_Project
Or another EU country. DS couldve funded or provided equipment/training to another bad actor.
E.g. It's highly rumored MI6 was behind the recent failed boat blitz attack at Zaporizhzhya, just as the IAEA inspectors were attempting to access it.
Here's another possibility:
Germany has been seeing energy related protests rapidly escalating. Now that the pipelines have been damaged Germany can't go back to Russia and solve the problem quickly/easily. The op could possibly be an extinction burst kind of event for the German deep state to maintain their grip on power.
Ive heard this theory mentioned and it is very possible
Biden is not capable of strategy or any kind of organized planning. So it's not Biden. Probably never was. Now who in the administration is capable of this?
This is the same question I have about Ukraine. Why is Ukraine so freaking important??
And by the way, good write up! 100%
This is a good explanation. I figure there is massive evidence of supremely nefarious deeds located in Ukraine. It makes me feel like the DS, years ago, was probably like, "Hey, you know where noone will ever come snooping around to bust us?? UKRAINE!!" And then they set up shop.
And as far as geographically, it makes me wonder about the strategic position Ukraine holds in being a possible gateway from east to west. I should check out an elevation map of the general area.
That was a wonderful analogy!!
NATO is GAYTO
Makes since as to why Russia is doing what they are doing though. It is lamentable that in Russia's efforts to expose/correct crimes against humanity is met with such opposition.
Who would have thought 10 years ago that Ukraine would get sooooo highly contested. 5 years ago we never heard anything from Ukraine blasted a out like today.
DS is toast.
Rat lines. Big money, dirty guns, dirty drugs, human trafficking, and plenty more Im sure we couldn't even begin to imagine.
US funded bio-labs in Ukraine.
That for sure. I guess this is extremely significant. That news has just been around for so long now, it's almost as if I am conditioned to it.
Ukraine is Corruption Central for the cabal.
Human trafficking including surrogate mothers, babies for sale, children for sale, and brides for sale (tall, slim, blue-eyes blondes)
Biolabs from hell
Worldwide drug distribution
Worldwide money laundering
The cabal turned Ukraine into one of the filthiest places on earth. You bet they're protecting it. All that money they're looting from the U.S. treasury is being stored there in their personal piggy banks.
That's why Putin wants that shithole cleaned out. He doesn't want it on his doorstep any more than we do.
Trump doesn't sound panicked. That's all that really gives me a little peace at the moment.
We can't possibly understand it all... Nor can we as so much happens we aren't even aware of.
Sometimes the only fix is faith that there is one you don't currently comprehend.
That's not correct. The maximum recreational scuba depth is typically 130 feet, but recreational divers can (very rarely) go down to depths of 180 feet using standard cylinders. Beyond about 180 foot depth, specialized low oxygen mixtures are required.
Deep water divers go down routinely from 200 foot to as much as 400 foot depths. It takes a while to decompress afterwards, and there is more risk with depth... but 250 foot of water (where these Nord Stream Pipelines are) would not be difficult for a deep water diving team.
I would seriously doubt if deep divers were involved in the Nord Stream #1 and #2 attacks. That takes too much time and coordination, plus it's too visible. It wasn't a large military submarine either. At a water depth of only 240 to 250 feet, those subs would have to operate at maximum of 200 feet +/-... and since most are at least 40 feet tall from base to stem, they would only be 160 feet below the surface. That's too easy to spot, way too visible.
Instead, I would bet on small, remote underwater drones, which are basically self-propelled explosives. The pipelines are protected by a concrete casing which is nearly a foot thick. You can't just set off a random underwater explosion next to the pipeline and 'hope for the best'... because it's not going to happen. At most, you'll knock off part of the brittle concrete casing. What would work guaranteed is to have a shaped charge on a drone that drives a hardened steel penetration tip, like a bullet or arrow head, into the concrete casing (split the concrete) to penetrate the piping wall. Since the pipe is already held at 1,570 psi pressure, any small penetration will quickly become a several foot long rupture of the pipeline. Whoever did this knows what they are doing. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if the culprit practiced first on some remote pipeline (maybe an out of service water line) somewhere else in the world to perfect their technique and ensure no chance of failure. When they had it right.. it was time for the big show.
Thanks for that! What about those 4 chan reports of an American plane circling the pipelines the morning of? It was a Poseiden something or other that carries torpedos and such. This seems plausible as the water is not deep and limits the ways of attack. For sure a drone makes sense though.
I think you mixed up your feet with meters, you can scuba down to 300 feet without special air mixes.
A torpedo airdropped from a helicopter or an aircraft would do this especially it they dropped something like a sonobuoy to locate the target first.
You can dive much deeper with commercial/military equipment - up to 2000'. Robotics are easily obtainable too and can be modified. The pipeline is 1.5" carbon steel with 11" of reinforced concrete on it. A waterproofed shoulder fired missile, modified as necessary, could easily do it. Or a shaped charge placed by divers would probably do the trick too with the right type of EFP.
Agreed. This would leave massive amounts of evidence as well. Everything from sensor readings to ballistic evidence left over from the torpedo exploding.
I'm not convinced that any real "Bombing" occurred. USGS has reported absolutely no seismic activity in the Baltic Sea. Maybe they are forbidden to monitor or that data it is being suppressed, but the initial small 1.2 Richter scale explosion on the Russian Kursk was recorded before the bigger 4.2 event.
Rumors are swirling that some British Splinter group may have been involved from the Olavsvern base. 👈 I'm struggling with the translation.
EDIT: This google translation sorta works to make it readable.
0biden is an actor and I suspect that the various cabal families aren't certain who exactly is controlling him.
u/#chips
TV said it’s bombed. It’s all a show.
I follow this guy and I found it interesting how he broke things down. (https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/c-and-c-news-wednesday-september)
You don't need control of the military to blow up a pipeline...
I have zero knowledge or expertise. I just appreciate that you have come up with these questions to think about.
That's called learning, Fren. A lot of us have some pretty extensive technical knowledge on a wide variety of subjects.
Honestly, thinking about it, this was probably sanctioned by the US but maybe carried out by Ukraine. They are already doing the dirty work for the DS anyway and it allows the US to have a layer of deniability. Pipelines were deep but not so deep that diver operations are out of the question and that would be the easiest way to not draw attention prior to detonation as well. Who actually did it (barring Russia doing it as a FF, which really makes no sense) is less important than WHY it was done - this puts Germany in the position of either being even more dependent on US for security and energy or taking the lead to broker a peace deal between Ukraine and Russia so as to open up the pipelines that run through Poland and Ukraine as well as allow Russia to transport into Baltic sea via ships. Poland is the unknown in this - they actually benefit via the opening of the other pipeline and they may see the weakening of Germany as a benefit for them economically.
WEF? Barack insaine Obama.?
"What is in Ukraine that is so central to their plans?"
I was thinking this today. The thing that keeps popping up is, if this is all a show, Ukraine is a scapegoat for white hats and black hats to give the world a show and distracting everyone, givng outlets for their puppets, while things are happening elsewhere.
What u mean, it’s another squeeze against Russia, you’ll see brain dead go hay, let’s start selling natural gas to them from us and pretend he is trump. When asked why, he will say he’s helping his fellow NATO Allie’s . This isn’t the first time the US has fucked over Europe
My thoughts on Nordstream sabotage - basically when you align motive opportunity you end up with a very short list of mostly state actors who could have pulled this off.
Potatus promised to shut off the pipelines if Russia invaded Ukraine back in Feb - and look what we have. We have US sub exercizes in the same general area a couple of months ago - as well as US military flight tracking over the blast area right at the correct time. Add to that the relative media silence and distraction techniques in the US and I see US deep state/CIA involvement almost a certainty.
As to why the US wanted to do it, I think the answer is they want a prolonged conflict in Ukraine. Russia got what it wanted in Eastern Ukraine - literally the same day as the bombing 4 provinces in Urkaine voted overwhelmingly to join Russia. Now would be the time for Russia to negotiate. And what woul be their biggest negotiating chip - gas supply to Europe via pipeline for the upcoming winter. German citizens were already protesting their government's support of Ukraine & Russian gas embargo - an intact pipeline would make the German government's position untenable. With no chance of gas, NATO support of Ukraine is back in line and the US can continue it's proxy war vs Russia freely.
Biden said he'd do it--he's on the record.
Here is a different perspective https://greatawakening.win/p/15JnG3LUUk/nordstream-sabotage--a-great-awa/
Why is no one talking about what China has to gain form taking out the pipeline?
Or the Middle East?
CIA does have submarine(s) - remember rocket launch off of Washington state in Q drops. So they do have separate assets.
Pretty sure patriots crippled the deep state in the first 4 years of Trump being in office. At this point IN MY OPINION, this is to push the people to the precipice.
Personally, I think we shouldn’t think of this in terms of countries. I think there are bad actors coordinating in every country.
Specific to the Nordstream Pipeline explosion, I think the deep state actors in Ukraine, Germany, the EU and USA are working to start a war between the west and Russia. They need it to distract from the dollar collapse. They saw how swiftly the Italians shifted to the right, and pressure is mounting in Germany to make a deal with Russia. Destroying the line prevents gas from flowing but takes the blame off the German government for not making a deal. It’s almost irrelevant as to what country the people were from who set the explosion.
CIA and Mossad jews use Ukraine to farm most their adrenochrom needs around the world, The money laundering and 28 biolabs were just a bonus to their evil plans. they have been planning our deaths and control of all the worlds resourses for decades.
Nordstream 1/2 are damaged, not destroyed. This is a lead up to the precipice, which I will think will happen in October. This is a white hat controlled op using DS tactics/assets/resources to redpill normies in the EU.
The DS wants Canada/Mexico/USA to become just like the EU.
The precipice is a point of desperation. How do you create desperation, restrict access to life enabling resources for survival. Only when our survival is threatened, does the will to change and change occur.
Possibly the British
The truth on this issue or incident is as previously said well hidden
What am I missing? Who benefits more from this, and is more capable of doing it, than Russia?
If I had the resources of the US military, here's how I would blow up a pipeline. The first job is to get a tracker in place at each of the locations to be targeted. Preferably the tracker or homing device would be placed beneath the pipeline to guide the torpedo to that location for maximum damage. Placing the device could be done with deep sea divers or deep sea drones. I find it interesting that anons have reported at least one Poseidon 8 sub hunting aircraft circling the area before the event. This would be necessary to check that the tracking devices were all active and sending signal. The Poseidon 8 aircraft is a perfect platform for this job as it has the most sensitive listening equipment known to man, in order to detect the faintest signals emanating from a submarine. Once the homing devices are all confirmed operating, that same Poseidon 8 aircraft has the capability to launch very sophisticated torpedoes, including tactical nuclear devices. Or perhaps it launched an underwater drone carrying the explosives. That's how I would do it.
They need to push people to the precipice. Ww3 and nuclear holocaust is the ultimate precipice. Trump will negotiate and end it but not until the normies are pissing their panties out their man made vaginas. I'm not worried.