I did the same exact thing. Sold my house of 30 years in DC; quit my job and moved south. Best decision we’ve made and haven’t regretted one second of it.
I’m SO proud of you & u/realAnon!! Of course your quality of LIFE was worth it!! The Lord will pay you in bountiful measures. Just getting outta DC is like a cleansing of your soul. I left Maryland for Tennessee and can fully relate 💕😎
I would have moved back into my moms basement as a 40 year old if that’s what it took. The more they threatened the stronger it just made my conviction that clearly I was making the correct decision.
Luckily my company isn’t completely stupid. They saw how many key employees were refusing, how many like myself would just walk out, and made the correct decision to just leave us the fuck alone.
I would have walked though. Instantly. I can only offer so much sympathy to those who got jabbed for work. The job market is more desperate now than in the entire history of this country. Anyone with any skill set or experience can find thousands of potential employers desperate for talent.
It’s my fucking blood dude. What kind of man would I be if I just handed over the rights to my blood to Joe Biden or Bill Gates or a bunch of old rich faggots in Europe?
The more desperate and shrill these faggots get demanding my blood, the more resolute I become that they will have to kill me to get to it.
1st government t doesn't pay it off the cabal does.
2nd the cabal is the debtor, not us.
3rd fiat money, fiat money, fiat money... we all need to.slide into a new economy they don't control. We will have to build it ourselves. It's a reset, a golden age of opportunity. I for one am excited.
My wife and I got out of debt entirely, and our lives RADICALLY changed for the better. We're able to save so much more for retirement and for the things we want, and we don't make any more money than we did before, all because we weren't having our money siphoned out to pay a little bit of our debt at a time.
but how exactly are you 'saving' for retirement? are you putting it in the stock market? well that's a house of cards. are you saving it in cash? even worse given what the feds can do with the money supply. i agree with wormself, debt is just another instrument. we have a ton of debt, but it's all pretty much in real estate that cash flows. over the years, this debt will go down as it's paid down and as the value of money decreases while the cash flow increases. you should read rich dad poor dad and consider getting out of the dave ramsay mentality.
I’m not saying you are wrong, and that is fantastic that you understand the power of that. You are obviously disciplined and if you weren’t before, you grew and you are now.
Now that you have discipline, think about NOT putting all your eggs in one basket. To me, debt is another one of those baskets. I want a little, more right now. Every time I buy something on debt right now, I am paying it back with dollars that are worth less.
it is why I have a 30 year fixed loan while being retired. I earn more interest on the investments than what the interest is on the debt. Add to that inflation over the 30 years and the bank becomes the loser.
The media will do what it always does—gaslight their viewers into believing they always had the choice no matter what kind of pressure they received. They will do what they do best. They will lie.
They physically held them down. You can find videos on rumble.
Forced vaccination has happened even in the US. Remember, a judge can, at any point, declare you mentally unsound, and so the state / hospital makes your health decisions while they “find” next of kin.
Do you think orphaned minors had a choice? Those in state care? The infirmed without family advocates?
Oh please. If you're the sole caretaker of children, you do what is necessary to keep a roof over their heads and food on the table. The entire civil rights laws and decisions are based on the premise that refusing a loan, refusing a particular house or job, demanding sex for job consideration are reason enough to stop thuggery..sorry but the force used to get the jab was threatening your family and starvation on the streets. The people who did it need to pay.
How come I didn't get the Vax. Fear and cowardice. Lack.of believing and trusting God call it what you want. They chose.
I chose the tough route, left my job and now am contemplating leaving this state.
I'm 60 don't have a lot of money and I'll survive. All my kids stood firm also. One of them leaving nursing instead of the jab. She isn't rich either and has a kid.
I'm jnot buying any excuses. And if you can't reconcile that then yiu have a victim mindset
The child being held down and forcibly jabbed while the Police were stopping the Father intervening. This was in a hospital and the girl was around 12. Two nurses held her down, one straddled her. The distressing part was the child crawling on all fours while a nurse held her by her jumper, and she tried to flee back to her father. The father lost a court case against a feminista mother to get THEIR child jabbed. Absolutely horrifying.
There is a precedent- the Nuremberg Trials. Doctors and Nurses involved in those horrific experiments etc., used that excuse - I was only following orders - were charged - and found guilty. They were hung in groups of 10.
If I'm declared mentally unsound then what comes after that is their problem because I'll prove it to the survicors how sound I was until their declaration.
I find it odd that me and mine had the choice to get the fake vax and never even considered it but all these other people didn’t have a choice to not get the fake vax. I guess some Of us are just more independent than others.
Dude we ARE the average person! 2 years ago I was still blissfully unaware of the majority of MSM propoganda and thought Trump should've been impeached for being a Russian asset!
The only reason I snapped out of it was because I wasn't arrogant to believe i knew everything and I had a deep desire to know the truth about why so many people revered Trump despite all these bad things I was told about him.
The people who won't snap out of the brainwashing made a conscious choice to refuse to remotely entertain the idea that they might be wrong about something. That arrogance is what did them in.
"The madking has betrayed a fatal flaw: Hubris. Easy to taunt, easy to trick. Before even the wounds and weariness have taken their toll, the mad king throws the best he has at us."
And you don't have dependants who need a warm place to sleep and food? You're right of course. You can choose to see your children starve. Admirable principles.
I have children. One died as a young teen. I watched her suffer. I would have given my life to stop it. If your principles allow you to see your babies pay the price, you're a stronger person than i. Judge as you will.
Free will dude. I'm humbled that I saw through this from day one thanks to God. I also didn't shit on God by letting fear rule me as God said He didn't give us the spirit of fear but of power, love and of a sound mind.
People who did the right thing aren't puffed up just because they point it out. The jabbed took their shots and now it's screwing them. How many already knew? How many jumped for joy when the Vax came? How many ostracized us for standing firm?
Puffed up isn't what we are. What we are is a testament to fearless believing in God.
And, if any heard our voices and refused the Vax our "puffed"up stand is why.
There is nothing wrong with being strong but that strength came from God and pointing the finger at others for not having that strength, for not being able to ask God freely for help, for not being able to stand against your doctor, your government, your local police, is being puffed up.
You must not have seen the video. There was one last fall where there were handicapped folks living in a group home. They physically held them and forced the jab into them. I'll never forget that girl ( pretty sure she had downs ) screaming and crying.
So we were not informed thus informed consent is not a reasonable argument, risks and benefits were not told, alternatives not shared, risks and benefits of alternatives were not told and most of all the people were not of competent mind when making the choice as the media whipped things into a hysteria that then worked with the lack of informed consent to have it become an international coercion, some I believe call it a conspiracy.
So its medical practitioners fault atleast, health departments from across the world were also involved, professional development, due diligence and informed consent was rarely if ever taken which is a part of their job
Message seems to be that duress and coercion was fine, that 100% of the responsibility is on the taker of the vaccine while those who coerced bear no responsibility.
Agreed. "no one made you do it" that's just bulldust.
However, the real point here is that to exit this shitstorm, people DO need to leave the victim mentality behind and take personal responsibility for what happens.
Likewise, it's so fricken easy to focus on the Cabal of Vampires who are psychopaths, but ultimately, everything they do is accomplished by agreement.
Only when we take responsibility for how we got here will we be the People that can truly exit the current situation. That's the value in the OPs view.
Message seems to be that duress and coercion was fine, that 100% of the responsibility is on the taker of the vaccine while those who coerced bear no responsibility.
Also TBH it feels a little bit like elitist "pureblood" virtue signaling
We of superior bloodline, intellect, and independence of spirit told you so, you dumb animals who did as instructed by medical personnel
If anyone couldn't believe the obvious fact that the scientific community has been literally overtaken by a satanic cabal of billionaires, mad scientists, and cannibalistic pedophiles staging am extinction event and the simultaneous takeover of all world governments, that's their own fault
Force? No, we have had no forced vaccinations. But the Nuremberg code outlawed coercion for a damn good reason. And we’ve had massive amounts of coordinated coercion.
Many people took the jab to save their job, some did it for travel, but was that worth it? What is the true cost? I had friends, spouses of friends almost cry in front of me because they felt like they had NO choice. But they did. Why they felt the need to justify/ rationalize it to me is proof that it was a choice. THIS is the Great Awakening. To discover they always had a choice. Yes, not easy; choice is not easy. "Choice" can come with short term repercussions, but in the end history and conscience will judge one's choice and determine if it was the correct one.
I'm sorry but I hate this argument. People on this board and other places act like "It's just a job, just quit!"
Do you know how many people struggled just to get the job they had/have? So, so many people live paycheck to paycheck (which is, of course, by design), so there are no savings to fall back on. Meanwhile the cost of everything is skyrocketing and who the hell wants to lose the house they've been only paying interest on for years when they know that these days they'll probably never be able to get another one?
What about the huge amount of people that have pets? Do you know how hard it is to find affordable, pet friendly apartments?
It's not just a job. It's your job, possibly benefits, your home, your groceries, your pets.
And all of this leaves out the fact that tons of people were and still are totally brainwashed and manipulated into believing it's safe. It's not their faults at all.
Stupid people not understanding that when inflation is rising so rapidly that the same groceries you bought a couple years ago now cost 1.5-2x that price, gas is up $4+ in some places, taxes are high as hell and healthcare is already absurdly priced, the ones living paycheck to paycheck cannot afford to "just quit", and "just quitting" is shitty for your resume to begin with if they want to pursue your prior work history.
If you can afford to sacrifice and not fuck your family over, great! But not having compassion for those who can't while you shit on leftists for their stance on abortion is sheer insanity.
Imagine wanting children to suffer because their parents quit their job or got fired for a cause you don't understand or care about, and they are forced to live on the streets or be taken away from their parents by the government that has a terrible track record caring for them.
It's bullshit behavior and it's not compassionate, and the ones who advocate for this shit better not call themselves God fearing folk, because it's not Biblically proper behavior to advocate for the suffering of literally billions.
When does one say "no"? When does it end? Compliance never ends the tyranny, it only emboldens it. This ends when the people decide it ends, not when a company CEO or politician decides... people. Listen I get your point and its not the people's fault we are here, but it is the people's fault we are still here. The world will never go back to the way it was. The sooner the population comes to grip with that the sooner we can end this, heal and move forward. The choice is ours.
Nuremberg code supersedes national law last I checked, adherence is irrelevant, it is a law that is put to governments not one they can choose to join, unless I'm wrong, need to see where it says I'm wrong
Incorrect. The U.S. is a signatory to the Code, which means (I expect) that it was ratified as a treaty. As such, it becomes part of the supreme law of the land, at par with the Constitution. (This is why some people attempt to re-write the Constitution by passing treaties, but changing the Constitution can only be done through amendment.)
I think you hit a nerve on our end of the hive mind with this post. If there was this much energy pushing back against the jab in the first place we wouldn't be having this conversation. A job is a job is a job. The companies cannot exist without customers and employees. This ends when the people decides it will end. That is "choice".
I beg to differ. Even though the United States is not a signatory to the Nuremberg code of ethics. It is a Signatory to the Geneva Convention. Being a signatory to the GC, makes the US government bound to the Nuremberg code of ethics... http://www.opensourcetruth.com/informed-consent-the-nuremberg-code-and-the-geneva-conventions/ Thusly if they violate the code of ethics established after WWII, they are guilty of crimes against humanity and war crimes as well...
Then put an empty gun to their head and say they have to do something then pull the trigger to have no bullets and ask them if they would have done it if the gun was there or not, the bullets should be irrelevant right? There was no coercion if the bullets weren't there... you only thought there were bullets in it this we didn't coerce anyone
Sounds like many Christians view of Jesus. He’s got a gun to their head saying, “You better fucking accept my free gift of salvation or it’s Hell for you bucko!”
But the Nuremberg Code forbids extortion, duress, or coercion. Threats of employment denial are expressly forbidden. The Code recognizes that people can be compelled against their will to suffer impositions. No one was provided informed consent. Without that, there is no legitimacy.
Children have no ability to consent thus the parents are the people to make those decisions but the government has taken that consent from parents with laws that were against the constitution to strip children of the ability to consent so... they are being forced by the state to be vaccinated unless the parents are doing it but we can go to the medical practitioners, even the universities really if the doctors are so bad at their job that so many were incapable of seeing what was medically appropriate perhaps we can take it to the educators of the whole field
It needs to be ‘informed choice’.
If people elected to take the jab based on lies from media and medical ‘experts’ I don’t believe the medics get off the hook that easily.
See Nuremberg code.
The problem with ALL of this is the manipulation of the truth. The shot, marketed still today as a vaccine, does nothing to prevent covid. We all (here) know the EUA is fraud at the very least bc they knew Ivermectin and HCQ worked in April & May 2020 (see Project Veritas exposure of this truth). This is months before the shots and just 1-2 months after 15days to flatten the curve in March of 2020. Starting at the beginning is always best.
The people I know that took the shot refused to believe they were volunteering to be part of an experiment, they still refuse to believe that today. None of the people I know took it to save their job... they took 3 shots before that was a reality for them. They took it for their deep love for humanity, fear, or wanting some normal back. None of them took it under the advice of their PCP, they didn't even discuss with their doctor to learn risk/reward benefits... not one! They lined up at shot clinics or went to a local pharmacy, like it was a regular flu shot...
It's sad but every one of them (my people) did it for the wrong reasons. In a situation where, still today, the truth is not accepted. They get "covid" and praise their "vaccine" for keeping them safe and alive. Even though, as the only purebloods in the family, my husband and I had an easy go of the coof... makes absolutely no sense! But their reality is what they've made it. I hate it but their truth is the false narrative.
I'm not sure how this ends but I KNOW that the proven lies started like day 30 or so... the real problem is the EUA is false, fraudulent, unacceptable, largest wealth transfer that might ever be known to mankind...
Everyone I know that got jab after jab couldn't wait to get all of the ones they got..... I don't see them ever seeing that THEIR decision was the problem.....
I know people that were super excited when the jab became available and ran to the doctor/pharmacy/whereever to get it. Even the boosters they bragged about being first.
To which, the unvaccinated can say, "Would have believed me if I did? No? STFU then" or in other cases, they'd say "We did warn you and you didn't listen"
Tweet text for the above: Italy: After a death due to covid vaccination is proven by autopsy, the heirs claim damages according to Law 210/92, to which the Ministry responds as follows: Claim not accepted because vaccination is not legally mandated.
In other words, we're not mandating the vaccine but if you die of starvation because you're not allowed to buy food or work, that is your fault. Sounds very communist to me, aka: We (the communists) didn't kill them, they just starved (because they stole all their food and prevented them from getting more).
This is what they will say but of course the argument is that the massive coercive tactics and psychological warfare strategems and blatant hiding of facts and lying made informed consent impossible. The lawyers will be busy.
The fact is doctors, nurses et al know that under the law to tell a patient to participate in an experimental clinical trial, it is illegal. Ask Dr. McCullough. This trial for the COVID vaxxx doesn’t end until 2023.
People are way too black and white about this issue. Sorry but the world is almost never one or the other…. It’s mostly always gray.
Man gets killed by a speeding drunk driver while crossing the street.
Who is at fault? Obviously the drunk driver.
Would the dead man still be alive if he had looked both ways before crossing and had not been staring at his phone? Yes.
Drunk driver is at fault but if the man had been paying attention he would still be alive. In this case personal responsibility would have saved his life. It doesn’t mean he deserved it, it just means he would have been better off taking responsibility for his own safety.
Drunk driver goes to prison but he's still fucking dead.
There are certainly exceptions but in general she's right. As soon as push came to shove, most people caved at the first hint of pressure.
Many I know got it pre-emptively, before any real pressure was applied, despite them not wanting the vax.
"Well, they're going to mandate it eventually, may as well get it now"
They will be right -- no one made you take the jab.
Bullshit. They tried to take away our livelihood, family, religion, and for extra icing on the cake, throw us into an internment camp (Australia). That's not exactly a polite nudge, nudge. It's straight up tyranny, and all in the service of Big Pharma and the WEF globofascists. Those who perpetrated these crimes need to hang.
People have been coerced and they have not been fully informed. All violations of Nuremberg code. Crimes against humanity. Most are not strong enough to stand and most were so ill-informed by government, MSM, social media that they literally had no clue (no excuse, but most don't even know where to look for truth)
I saw more than one video of people having the vaccine forced on them and what about all the children - they were pretty much forced by their parents. No, we can't let them use this as the excuse for what they have done.
Legally coercion is them making you take it. You have to make sacrifices to avoid the coercion meaning you lost something out of that exchange. Yes, you have the free will to say no, but legally it's still a forced decision.
"Give me all your money or else I will set your house on fire and kill your dog" is not really a choice.
Maybe they should go after those officials themselves for murdering them all. You have mynpermission to seek justice on anyone who ordered you to take a shot.
This is not true. People were made to take it with the full force of the law turned on them.
Bullshit. I left my job. Thankfully I saved money. Debt is slavery
Same! Left my job, they begged me to stay, went fully remote, moved out of state away from family at my own expense (~$40k total), took a 12% pay cut.
Was it easy? No.
Was it worth it? Absolutely.
I will NEVER get the clot shot.
I did the same exact thing. Sold my house of 30 years in DC; quit my job and moved south. Best decision we’ve made and haven’t regretted one second of it.
I’m SO proud of you & u/realAnon!! Of course your quality of LIFE was worth it!! The Lord will pay you in bountiful measures. Just getting outta DC is like a cleansing of your soul. I left Maryland for Tennessee and can fully relate 💕😎
I would have moved back into my moms basement as a 40 year old if that’s what it took. The more they threatened the stronger it just made my conviction that clearly I was making the correct decision.
Luckily my company isn’t completely stupid. They saw how many key employees were refusing, how many like myself would just walk out, and made the correct decision to just leave us the fuck alone.
I would have walked though. Instantly. I can only offer so much sympathy to those who got jabbed for work. The job market is more desperate now than in the entire history of this country. Anyone with any skill set or experience can find thousands of potential employers desperate for talent.
It’s my fucking blood dude. What kind of man would I be if I just handed over the rights to my blood to Joe Biden or Bill Gates or a bunch of old rich faggots in Europe?
The more desperate and shrill these faggots get demanding my blood, the more resolute I become that they will have to kill me to get to it.
If the economy and money crashes and burns, you don’t want to be holding some debt ?
Won't work.that way. Nice try at dooming.
1st government t doesn't pay it off the cabal does.
2nd the cabal is the debtor, not us.
3rd fiat money, fiat money, fiat money... we all need to.slide into a new economy they don't control. We will have to build it ourselves. It's a reset, a golden age of opportunity. I for one am excited.
He wasn't dooming, he was just stating their goal, which is a fact and it has been throughout history thusfar. Chill.
Same
DITTO!!
While we're on the topic of debt. I decided to post a video that should educate those who don't know how this system is so fucked.
https://greatawakening.win/p/141FFEG6ks/
My wife and I got out of debt entirely, and our lives RADICALLY changed for the better. We're able to save so much more for retirement and for the things we want, and we don't make any more money than we did before, all because we weren't having our money siphoned out to pay a little bit of our debt at a time.
but how exactly are you 'saving' for retirement? are you putting it in the stock market? well that's a house of cards. are you saving it in cash? even worse given what the feds can do with the money supply. i agree with wormself, debt is just another instrument. we have a ton of debt, but it's all pretty much in real estate that cash flows. over the years, this debt will go down as it's paid down and as the value of money decreases while the cash flow increases. you should read rich dad poor dad and consider getting out of the dave ramsay mentality.
Purchase solid assets. Start with land.
And keep the land out of the hands of Bill Gates.
Gotta have money to make money they say.
When you purchase land, you still don't actually own it, you are paying taxes to the govt on that land, it's such a joke. They have us enslaved.
I’m not saying you are wrong, and that is fantastic that you understand the power of that. You are obviously disciplined and if you weren’t before, you grew and you are now.
Now that you have discipline, think about NOT putting all your eggs in one basket. To me, debt is another one of those baskets. I want a little, more right now. Every time I buy something on debt right now, I am paying it back with dollars that are worth less.
it is why I have a 30 year fixed loan while being retired. I earn more interest on the investments than what the interest is on the debt. Add to that inflation over the 30 years and the bank becomes the loser.
Agreed.
Being debt free is king.
Why not. It's all fake debt. Fake money fake economy all of it.
Me too
Yes. "Coercion Is Not Consent."
It's sti a choice. People die standing on their principles.
Fear is the disease Nd its why people caved.
Didn't they force Julian Assange to take it, too?
The media will do what it always does—gaslight their viewers into believing they always had the choice no matter what kind of pressure they received. They will do what they do best. They will lie.
See Sundance's article yesterday. These are the ones, and their masters, who deserve no credibility and no forgiveness without reparation
They physically held them down. You can find videos on rumble.
Forced vaccination has happened even in the US. Remember, a judge can, at any point, declare you mentally unsound, and so the state / hospital makes your health decisions while they “find” next of kin.
Do you think orphaned minors had a choice? Those in state care? The infirmed without family advocates?
Oh please. If you're the sole caretaker of children, you do what is necessary to keep a roof over their heads and food on the table. The entire civil rights laws and decisions are based on the premise that refusing a loan, refusing a particular house or job, demanding sex for job consideration are reason enough to stop thuggery..sorry but the force used to get the jab was threatening your family and starvation on the streets. The people who did it need to pay.
How come I didn't get the Vax. Fear and cowardice. Lack.of believing and trusting God call it what you want. They chose.
I chose the tough route, left my job and now am contemplating leaving this state.
I'm 60 don't have a lot of money and I'll survive. All my kids stood firm also. One of them leaving nursing instead of the jab. She isn't rich either and has a kid.
I'm jnot buying any excuses. And if you can't reconcile that then yiu have a victim mindset
Bingo. Excuses are just a weak attempt at coming to terms with bad choices and convincing everyone else it was the right thing to do.
It takes real power of spirit to make a stand.
I mean if everyone just refused the vaccine we wouldn't be in this mess.
You are a useless idiot. They want us divided and you fall for it hook, line and sinker
The child being held down and forcibly jabbed while the Police were stopping the Father intervening. This was in a hospital and the girl was around 12. Two nurses held her down, one straddled her. The distressing part was the child crawling on all fours while a nurse held her by her jumper, and she tried to flee back to her father. The father lost a court case against a feminista mother to get THEIR child jabbed. Absolutely horrifying.
I saw that, and I am by no means convinced this is what it purported to be.
Yeah and none of those medical.personnel would be alive right now if it was my kid. I'd take the electric chair or a rope to make them pay.
There is a precedent- the Nuremberg Trials. Doctors and Nurses involved in those horrific experiments etc., used that excuse - I was only following orders - were charged - and found guilty. They were hung in groups of 10.
Zackly THIS ☝🏼
If I'm declared mentally unsound then what comes after that is their problem because I'll prove it to the survicors how sound I was until their declaration.
Consequences for all. It's a great teacher.
Plenty of school age kids were forced and with out parent consent.
I find your post extraordinarily puffed up, as if you were able to resist the injection through your own force and not God's.
I find it odd that me and mine had the choice to get the fake vax and never even considered it but all these other people didn’t have a choice to not get the fake vax. I guess some Of us are just more independent than others.
Dude we ARE the average person! 2 years ago I was still blissfully unaware of the majority of MSM propoganda and thought Trump should've been impeached for being a Russian asset!
The only reason I snapped out of it was because I wasn't arrogant to believe i knew everything and I had a deep desire to know the truth about why so many people revered Trump despite all these bad things I was told about him.
The people who won't snap out of the brainwashing made a conscious choice to refuse to remotely entertain the idea that they might be wrong about something. That arrogance is what did them in.
"The madking has betrayed a fatal flaw: Hubris. Easy to taunt, easy to trick. Before even the wounds and weariness have taken their toll, the mad king throws the best he has at us."
-300
What's your interpretation of what that means?
And you don't have dependants who need a warm place to sleep and food? You're right of course. You can choose to see your children starve. Admirable principles.
I have children. One died as a young teen. I watched her suffer. I would have given my life to stop it. If your principles allow you to see your babies pay the price, you're a stronger person than i. Judge as you will.
Could've easily got another job too
Free will dude. I'm humbled that I saw through this from day one thanks to God. I also didn't shit on God by letting fear rule me as God said He didn't give us the spirit of fear but of power, love and of a sound mind.
People who did the right thing aren't puffed up just because they point it out. The jabbed took their shots and now it's screwing them. How many already knew? How many jumped for joy when the Vax came? How many ostracized us for standing firm?
Puffed up isn't what we are. What we are is a testament to fearless believing in God.
And, if any heard our voices and refused the Vax our "puffed"up stand is why.
There is nothing wrong with being strong but that strength came from God and pointing the finger at others for not having that strength, for not being able to ask God freely for help, for not being able to stand against your doctor, your government, your local police, is being puffed up.
You must not have seen the video. There was one last fall where there were handicapped folks living in a group home. They physically held them and forced the jab into them. I'll never forget that girl ( pretty sure she had downs ) screaming and crying.
coercion by threatening your job is not informed consent
So we were not informed thus informed consent is not a reasonable argument, risks and benefits were not told, alternatives not shared, risks and benefits of alternatives were not told and most of all the people were not of competent mind when making the choice as the media whipped things into a hysteria that then worked with the lack of informed consent to have it become an international coercion, some I believe call it a conspiracy. So its medical practitioners fault atleast, health departments from across the world were also involved, professional development, due diligence and informed consent was rarely if ever taken which is a part of their job
By the looks of your upvotes there are a bunch in here who bent the knee.
You don't bend you don't break. You can't change it but you can humble yourselves enough to admit you were wrong and God can help.
Don't like the message here.
Message seems to be that duress and coercion was fine, that 100% of the responsibility is on the taker of the vaccine while those who coerced bear no responsibility.
I expect those who did the coercion to be hung.
Agreed. "no one made you do it" that's just bulldust.
However, the real point here is that to exit this shitstorm, people DO need to leave the victim mentality behind and take personal responsibility for what happens.
Likewise, it's so fricken easy to focus on the Cabal of Vampires who are psychopaths, but ultimately, everything they do is accomplished by agreement.
Only when we take responsibility for how we got here will we be the People that can truly exit the current situation. That's the value in the OPs view.
Few views are 100% right.
Also TBH it feels a little bit like elitist "pureblood" virtue signaling
We of superior bloodline, intellect, and independence of spirit told you so, you dumb animals who did as instructed by medical personnel
If anyone couldn't believe the obvious fact that the scientific community has been literally overtaken by a satanic cabal of billionaires, mad scientists, and cannibalistic pedophiles staging am extinction event and the simultaneous takeover of all world governments, that's their own fault
Force? No, we have had no forced vaccinations. But the Nuremberg code outlawed coercion for a damn good reason. And we’ve had massive amounts of coordinated coercion.
And no real informed consent.
Many people took the jab to save their job, some did it for travel, but was that worth it? What is the true cost? I had friends, spouses of friends almost cry in front of me because they felt like they had NO choice. But they did. Why they felt the need to justify/ rationalize it to me is proof that it was a choice. THIS is the Great Awakening. To discover they always had a choice. Yes, not easy; choice is not easy. "Choice" can come with short term repercussions, but in the end history and conscience will judge one's choice and determine if it was the correct one.
I'm sorry but I hate this argument. People on this board and other places act like "It's just a job, just quit!"
Do you know how many people struggled just to get the job they had/have? So, so many people live paycheck to paycheck (which is, of course, by design), so there are no savings to fall back on. Meanwhile the cost of everything is skyrocketing and who the hell wants to lose the house they've been only paying interest on for years when they know that these days they'll probably never be able to get another one?
What about the huge amount of people that have pets? Do you know how hard it is to find affordable, pet friendly apartments?
It's not just a job. It's your job, possibly benefits, your home, your groceries, your pets.
And all of this leaves out the fact that tons of people were and still are totally brainwashed and manipulated into believing it's safe. It's not their faults at all.
Stupid people not understanding that when inflation is rising so rapidly that the same groceries you bought a couple years ago now cost 1.5-2x that price, gas is up $4+ in some places, taxes are high as hell and healthcare is already absurdly priced, the ones living paycheck to paycheck cannot afford to "just quit", and "just quitting" is shitty for your resume to begin with if they want to pursue your prior work history.
If you can afford to sacrifice and not fuck your family over, great! But not having compassion for those who can't while you shit on leftists for their stance on abortion is sheer insanity.
Imagine wanting children to suffer because their parents quit their job or got fired for a cause you don't understand or care about, and they are forced to live on the streets or be taken away from their parents by the government that has a terrible track record caring for them.
It's bullshit behavior and it's not compassionate, and the ones who advocate for this shit better not call themselves God fearing folk, because it's not Biblically proper behavior to advocate for the suffering of literally billions.
When does one say "no"? When does it end? Compliance never ends the tyranny, it only emboldens it. This ends when the people decide it ends, not when a company CEO or politician decides... people. Listen I get your point and its not the people's fault we are here, but it is the people's fault we are still here. The world will never go back to the way it was. The sooner the population comes to grip with that the sooner we can end this, heal and move forward. The choice is ours.
Nuremberg code supersedes national law last I checked, adherence is irrelevant, it is a law that is put to governments not one they can choose to join, unless I'm wrong, need to see where it says I'm wrong
Incorrect. The U.S. is a signatory to the Code, which means (I expect) that it was ratified as a treaty. As such, it becomes part of the supreme law of the land, at par with the Constitution. (This is why some people attempt to re-write the Constitution by passing treaties, but changing the Constitution can only be done through amendment.)
Basically right conclusion, wrong premise from me i suppose
I think you hit a nerve on our end of the hive mind with this post. If there was this much energy pushing back against the jab in the first place we wouldn't be having this conversation. A job is a job is a job. The companies cannot exist without customers and employees. This ends when the people decides it will end. That is "choice".
I beg to differ. Even though the United States is not a signatory to the Nuremberg code of ethics. It is a Signatory to the Geneva Convention. Being a signatory to the GC, makes the US government bound to the Nuremberg code of ethics... http://www.opensourcetruth.com/informed-consent-the-nuremberg-code-and-the-geneva-conventions/ Thusly if they violate the code of ethics established after WWII, they are guilty of crimes against humanity and war crimes as well...
Then put an empty gun to their head and say they have to do something then pull the trigger to have no bullets and ask them if they would have done it if the gun was there or not, the bullets should be irrelevant right? There was no coercion if the bullets weren't there... you only thought there were bullets in it this we didn't coerce anyone
Sounds like many Christians view of Jesus. He’s got a gun to their head saying, “You better fucking accept my free gift of salvation or it’s Hell for you bucko!”
Well he (god) is solving the problem he (god) made
But the Nuremberg Code forbids extortion, duress, or coercion. Threats of employment denial are expressly forbidden. The Code recognizes that people can be compelled against their will to suffer impositions. No one was provided informed consent. Without that, there is no legitimacy.
It was certainly forced on children.
Their idiotic parents and schools.
Children have no ability to consent thus the parents are the people to make those decisions but the government has taken that consent from parents with laws that were against the constitution to strip children of the ability to consent so... they are being forced by the state to be vaccinated unless the parents are doing it but we can go to the medical practitioners, even the universities really if the doctors are so bad at their job that so many were incapable of seeing what was medically appropriate perhaps we can take it to the educators of the whole field
That’s not true. Kids aren’t retarded.
Then why is there a legal age of consent?
Why are psychedelics illegal? The government isn't the say all on morality and truth.
Kids don’t have the same intelligence as we do. I would be surprised if any of these kids understood the danger of these.
Like 7 year old Timmy has no fucking clue what’s in the jab or the dangers of them.
They could have said no
I know what you mean
...what is this fucking pilpul bullshit?
You're stupid. A child cannot say no when the parent wants something done.
Foster kids have no choice, they get over medicated and I am pretty sure jabbed.
It needs to be ‘informed choice’. If people elected to take the jab based on lies from media and medical ‘experts’ I don’t believe the medics get off the hook that easily. See Nuremberg code.
"And that concludes the defense's argument for not getting thrown into the wood chipper your honor."
Overruled.
Think we have to circle back on that one....
The problem with ALL of this is the manipulation of the truth. The shot, marketed still today as a vaccine, does nothing to prevent covid. We all (here) know the EUA is fraud at the very least bc they knew Ivermectin and HCQ worked in April & May 2020 (see Project Veritas exposure of this truth). This is months before the shots and just 1-2 months after 15days to flatten the curve in March of 2020. Starting at the beginning is always best.
The people I know that took the shot refused to believe they were volunteering to be part of an experiment, they still refuse to believe that today. None of the people I know took it to save their job... they took 3 shots before that was a reality for them. They took it for their deep love for humanity, fear, or wanting some normal back. None of them took it under the advice of their PCP, they didn't even discuss with their doctor to learn risk/reward benefits... not one! They lined up at shot clinics or went to a local pharmacy, like it was a regular flu shot...
It's sad but every one of them (my people) did it for the wrong reasons. In a situation where, still today, the truth is not accepted. They get "covid" and praise their "vaccine" for keeping them safe and alive. Even though, as the only purebloods in the family, my husband and I had an easy go of the coof... makes absolutely no sense! But their reality is what they've made it. I hate it but their truth is the false narrative.
I'm not sure how this ends but I KNOW that the proven lies started like day 30 or so... the real problem is the EUA is false, fraudulent, unacceptable, largest wealth transfer that might ever be known to mankind...
Life Insurance CEO has entered the chat room.
…And that is when the people who got the jab to work will lose their patience and their minds.
Everyone I know that got jab after jab couldn't wait to get all of the ones they got..... I don't see them ever seeing that THEIR decision was the problem.....
I know people that were super excited when the jab became available and ran to the doctor/pharmacy/whereever to get it. Even the boosters they bragged about being first.
Yep....lots of family up in the Northeast...
On the flip side, there will be family and friends who will blame the unvaccinated for not warning them
To which, the unvaccinated can say, "Would have believed me if I did? No? STFU then" or in other cases, they'd say "We did warn you and you didn't listen"
I anticipate a crash of the health insurance industry. Along with the life insurance industry.
Most likely a new industry will emerge from the chaos.
Healthcare as a whole needs to be restructured, I agree, fren.
This is already happening. If you have an adverse reaction from this death jab, you are on your own. The way it works is:
Before you take the death jab: It's safe and effective. And if you don't get it, you're fired.
After you take the death jab: It didn't cause your health issue. It's impossible.
Eventually: You were told it's experimental. Any side-effects are on you.
There are even articles about it:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/people-harmed-by-coronavirus-vaccines-will-have-little-recourse-11602432000
https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamandrzejewski/2021/11/04/feds-pay-zero-claims-for-covid-19-vaccine-injuriesdeaths/?sh=7df43f5c4a87
And in Italy, where you can't go to a grocery store without being vaccinated or tested constantly:
https://twitter.com/ANRI82967503/status/1477921436039794691?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1477921436039794691%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fgreatawakening.win%2Fp%2F140vszO8hS%2F-italy-after-a-death-due-to-covi%2Fc%2F
Tweet text for the above: Italy: After a death due to covid vaccination is proven by autopsy, the heirs claim damages according to Law 210/92, to which the Ministry responds as follows: Claim not accepted because vaccination is not legally mandated.
In other words, we're not mandating the vaccine but if you die of starvation because you're not allowed to buy food or work, that is your fault. Sounds very communist to me, aka: We (the communists) didn't kill them, they just starved (because they stole all their food and prevented them from getting more).
Pressure, coercion, miss-information, propaganda, brain washing, force, what's the difference?
This is what they will say but of course the argument is that the massive coercive tactics and psychological warfare strategems and blatant hiding of facts and lying made informed consent impossible. The lawyers will be busy.
The fact is doctors, nurses et al know that under the law to tell a patient to participate in an experimental clinical trial, it is illegal. Ask Dr. McCullough. This trial for the COVID vaxxx doesn’t end until 2023.
People are way too black and white about this issue. Sorry but the world is almost never one or the other…. It’s mostly always gray.
Man gets killed by a speeding drunk driver while crossing the street. Who is at fault? Obviously the drunk driver. Would the dead man still be alive if he had looked both ways before crossing and had not been staring at his phone? Yes. Drunk driver is at fault but if the man had been paying attention he would still be alive. In this case personal responsibility would have saved his life. It doesn’t mean he deserved it, it just means he would have been better off taking responsibility for his own safety. Drunk driver goes to prison but he's still fucking dead.
But they made that decision without being fully informed.
Soon, there will be hundreds of Heath officials being arrested and charged trying to claim this as a defense. It's not gonna work. Fuck them
There are certainly exceptions but in general she's right. As soon as push came to shove, most people caved at the first hint of pressure. Many I know got it pre-emptively, before any real pressure was applied, despite them not wanting the vax.
"Well, they're going to mandate it eventually, may as well get it now"
Wrong attitude!!
Bullshit. They tried to take away our livelihood, family, religion, and for extra icing on the cake, throw us into an internment camp (Australia). That's not exactly a polite nudge, nudge. It's straight up tyranny, and all in the service of Big Pharma and the WEF globofascists. Those who perpetrated these crimes need to hang.
People have been coerced and they have not been fully informed. All violations of Nuremberg code. Crimes against humanity. Most are not strong enough to stand and most were so ill-informed by government, MSM, social media that they literally had no clue (no excuse, but most don't even know where to look for truth)
I saw more than one video of people having the vaccine forced on them and what about all the children - they were pretty much forced by their parents. No, we can't let them use this as the excuse for what they have done.
Fuck that. Coercion is a crime this time. They have to pay - jail time and fines for all that pushed it. Death penalty as appropriate.
Legally coercion is them making you take it. You have to make sacrifices to avoid the coercion meaning you lost something out of that exchange. Yes, you have the free will to say no, but legally it's still a forced decision.
"Give me all your money or else I will set your house on fire and kill your dog" is not really a choice.
Maybe they should go after those officials themselves for murdering them all. You have mynpermission to seek justice on anyone who ordered you to take a shot.