GAW was forced to ban several of long-time contributors over the past few days after some extremely unacceptable behaviour both on the site and in modmail. What happened? These users were warned, asking them to tone it down, get re-focused a bit (maybe go camping?), etc., but instead the behaviour only got worse, and, finally, becoming very concerning. Rather than sit out their vacations and re-focus, the users decided opted for the nuclear option.
We HATE banning good users! Especially permanently! Everyone should be having fun here. But.
We will ban insane behaviour like this, all day, every day, equally, any user, it doesn't matter. This kind of crazy, insane behaviour (doxing, threats, posts on other WINs, etc.) towards GAW's mods, our users, posts, comments, or abuse in modmail, will not be tolerated.
These users are now PM'ing various users here, and these conversations are now filtering up to the mod team. Feel free to reply if you want, etc., but, if you choose to engage, you'll quickly see this same immature behaviour from them as they will quickly demonstrate why they were banned.
GAW will continue to have one of the best online communities around. The entire mod team remains committed to keeping GAW focused on Q, focused on solid, quality discussion, and keeping us ready for The Storm. Thank you!
EDIT: Here are some answers to some questions we're getting asked.
Why can't the mod team do anything about this contact? Apologies, we aren't able to control how the .WINs work, and we're sorry many of you were forced to deal with this unfortunate situation.
How does GAW run? Other than the 100% volunteer mod team, basically, several years ago, we were lucky enough to get invited to run on the same digital infrastructure that The_Donald.WIN (now Patriots.WIN, of course) ran on. Why? Because Q was part of the movement, but they wanted us annoying (LEL 😎) "Q believers" to have their own space so that regular patriots could have the option to participate or not. The mods have no access to the codebase. We found ways to add our own feel here (pepes, colours, etc.), but we don't have the ability to shadowban, or otherwise hassle anyone, anywhere. We can only control user access, sticky posts, and remove harmful comments.
Sounds to me like mods are doing their job for the community. I see no fault at all in that.
I have witnessed some of the...events...you allude to, however. People often get trapped in what think they know rather than what they don't know, which furthers discussion. This is called the Dunning-Kruger syndrome.
"The Dunning-Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which people wrongly overestimate their knowledge or ability in a specific area. This tends to occur because a lack of self-awareness prevents them from accurately assessing their own skills." Ref.
Remaining open to counter points is key to critical thinking and analysis and, if ignored due to DKS, creates over emotional responses to bullshit.
Keep an open mind, frogs: the community depends on it.
Edited for clarity due to some DKS going on in the comments. 🤣🤣
Here's a simple explanation of Dunning-Kruger: https://youtu.be/4FGnb2lgPBA
BTW: I speak German like a Bavarian! haha Happy Oktoberfest, y'all!
Hmm... I'm not sure that's an accurate description of the Dunning-Kruger effect. That was an experiment showing that people with low ability tend to overestimate their skills. It also has a lot of mathematical evidence as to why it may not even be statistically significant or true.
I never tire of pointing out to people that it is actually a graph
The graph also highly describes the Great Awakening process.
The "peak of mount stupid" is where most normies are after going through the education system and believing they know everything.
The first time you get redpilled, and you realise everything you know is a lie, is when you fall into the valley of despair. You dont hit the bottom until you recognise everything is a lie.
And then as you quest for truth, you will head onto the slope of elightenment. Almost all the Anons are on this slope. We know the inadequacy of our own knowledge all too keenly, since everything we are told is a lie, but we also have learnt how to make our way out of it. Its slow and tedious, but eventually one hopes to reach the "Plateu of sustainability"
So, when someone mentions Dunning-Kruger on reddit, I always ask them "What was your valley of despair like?" because, if you havent experieced a valley of despair, you are at "Mt Stupid" !
I think mine was when I realized my own pastors from my old church were verbally emotionally, and physically abusing a friend of mine's son, and then some incidents involving me and my daughter, not abusive but very hurtful. There have been other awakenings, but that's one of the biggest.
I've had a long journey of humbling, and discovery since then. It was so hard knowing that people I loved and trusted were secretly so wicked.
I am far from perfect, but I'm wise enough to know life is a journey, and not a destination, and to take it one day at a time.
This graph shows the more complete data for the Dunning-Kruger Effect. This one includes the opposite end where competent people generally underestimate their abilities.
Basically "The more you know, the more you realize you dont know". Or as Bertrand Russell put it:
Youre right, this could absolutely be used to describe the mental process happening during a normies awakening process.
And your comment just made me realize that the opposite end of the D-K Effect graph can also describe people who started the awakening process long ago. We're the ones who sometimes second guess (and even doubt) our own knowledge.
I don't understand where the first graph graph came from. The peak of mount stupid doesn't come from Dunning-Kruger at all (the first peak is not in their data set), and your graph is one of four they included in their paper (self-assessment of grammar). While it's true that at the very upper end there's between 10% and 25% underestimation of skill, it's interesting there's almost no underestimation in logic and reasoning:
https://graphpaperdiaries.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/logicgraph.png
But there's a significant overestimation at the low end.
Edit: By first graph, I'm referring to the one in the post you responded to.
Did a quick search... half the graphs and explanations online have been very simplified.
For some reason they only include the ignorant side that overestimate, and completely ignore the other end of the scale.
Yeah. That's definitely true. My guess is that it's because Dunning and Kruger didn't highlight that as a conclusion. There was definitely less evidence for it, since the margin of error at the upper end may have been small enough to be statistically insignificant, given the sample size. Not sure.
Some people argue that this phenomenon is actually just a result of regression towards the mean (tenuous argument imo, since estimates aren't random samples).
They Dun Krugered & we's likes it!
Mom...Jeffery Joseph is doxxng me again!!!
It can also refer to highly competent people over estimating the ability of others.
Thats the "imposter syndrome"
It only refers to self assessment.
Highly competent people underestimating their own abilities would fall under Dunning-Kruger effect.
I thought that was what we were talking about? /confused :)
What you described isnt the 'Dunning-Kruger Effect'.
D-K Effect is about peoples false perception of their own abilities (or knowledge), versus the actual reality of those abilities.
It doesnt include ones perception of other peoples abilities.
I challenged this once when it was applied to me, and the person who explained said that my perception of my own abilities was that they were 'normal', when in fact they were exceptional, hence why it applied.
I believed other people could accomplish what I could in a similar timeframe, when this wasn't the case, by a long shot :)
I think that counts under your description, but I'm certainly no expert.
Your first paragraph sounds like d-k effect. You underestimated your own ability.
The 2nd paragraph is something else. Projection perhaps
I don't believe that's the case either. Their study strictly limited its findings to differences between objective reality and self-assessment. I'm not aware of anything in their experiment involving assessment of other people.
(I'm not speaking to the validity of the claim that the bias in assessment also extends to other people -- only to the claim that it falls under the Dunning-Kruger effect.)
Oh, great. Checked my PMs and nothing. I must not be one of the cool kids??
I’ll send you a hateful PM, if it’ll help you feel better.
I'd be open to hearing the other side, but an angry letter would be amusing too.
I got you, fam.
Ha, that was interesting. So, I'm not missing much! OK, I'm going to try that lingo out on my kids tonight lol
Do you have me too?
Me either. Im hurt 😂😂😂😂
I don't even know how to send a PM.
Lol. So many people have said this, or that they didn't know they get notifications and messages. If you want to send a pm to someone, click on their name. that takes you to their page. On the top right you'll see a heading that says, About Lawjic. Under that, click on 'send a message' and a screen will come up for you to fill in. Be sure to tick the box on the bottom left.
OK, one moment
(kidding)
Hahaha. Awesome.
u/catsfive
Remember, as you ride out this modstorm, DJT's words about "loyalty" and "trust"
And then think of all the good anons that have fallen in battle due to their own personal choices, sabotaging a good relationship with a good community
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_85VrWHQ-fo
Thanks for putting up the old vid. Saw this at least a year ago thinking we would all be going through this and ... damn.
It's been a sad week, to be honest. We haaaaaaaate seeing some of our best patriots sort of lose their marbles. This is The Storm, it's a real fight. Take care of your minds, frogs! The war for your soul is very, very real!
The best way to keep from losing one's marbles is keeping them in the marble sack until it's time to play. Take one or two out, do your shooting and scoring, and then back in the sack they go. No reason to show everybody all your marbles. It'll either make them envy how many you have, or they'll think their marble collection is better than yours anyway. Besides, those marbles are special to YOU, but not that snot-nosed new kid that thinks he's the marble king.
Now, you and a friend wanna lay out all your marbles, look at them and admire and even trade? That's cool. Most friends won't come to fighting blows over marbles. You respect what makes your friends' marbles their special marbles, just like they respect yours.
Marble war? Well then you pull em all out and use them as slingshot projectiles.
But generally... Keep your marbles in the bag.
👍
THIS frog marbles.
But does he use his steelies to shoot the right way?
All of a sudden, I kind of want to get into playing marbles. Never did it before, but it sounds kind of fun!
I loved playing marbles when I was a kid, very satisfying.
We did it every spring just after the snow melted,for about a month. I don't know why that was marble season,but it was.
Ha, that's great. Any reason to go outside after the snow melts.
Haha this was Good stuff. Put a smile on my face. God bless u
This is a metaphor I can get behind. Apt!
Marbelous analogy!!
😊
Please keep GAW alive and operational for at least 69 more days. We are in the endgame now, imo.
What is with 69 days?
After mid-terms presumably.
I rather think Jan 21st 2023 is where it will be at myself.
U have a tough job brother. Yet u have consistently been a stand up guy, fair and open with your decision, and patient with us when we decide to act out. Sorry week was rough. Hang in there. Keep up the great work. God bless u. Praying for you. Much love
Can I take over one of their Pepe 😂🙏
This is what happens in an information war when we are over target and the other side is losing badly and in panic mode. Unknown if people got compromised or their accounts got taken over, but this is a typical event to occur near an endgame convergence.
GAW is a primary resource of the good guys, and it will be targeted by the bad guys in every way conceivable both real and imagined. General rules are clearly posted in the sidebar and mods have discretion on enforcement to make sure we are operating at optimal performance as we go into the next two critical months.
It would be rough to see this place compromised. Can't say it couldn't ever happen though. I appreciate all the fights to make it safe.
The truth is coming out and I am glad that President Trump is being more bold for his message regarding the truth.
Thanks for this explanation and reminder. Totally appreciate what ya'll do on a daily basis to keep this community up and running.
Gotta do what you gotta do. Sounds like anons thinking they are becoming bigger than they are. We are here to find, absorb, and redistribute the proper information to normies. No one here needs to see themselves as famous or above the rules.
Pfft. I am famous, my wife knows me & my kids too. Nobody else though... Want to be a fan /run groveling.exe 🤣🤣🤣🤔😝🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
This is vague and ominous. If these "people" are harassing other users, why protect their identities. Shouldn't the rest of us be warned about who might send harassing communications?
As far as getting such messages, fellow anons, you are under no obligation to reply or engage with anyone. While society has tried to program us to be insecure about "losing arguments" there really is no such thing. Unless you change someone's mind with facts and logic, there is no winning of anything. It doesn't matter what the other person believes. If you're insecure about having the last word, you have some personal issues you need to sort out...
Because we're not a lynch mob, really. When every avenue to reach them has been exhausted, when every olive branch is refused, out comes the sword.
When someone comes at me with hateful stuff either here or on PDW, I never reply. They want to make you feel bad, hurt you so why give them a feeling of success? Don't argue with fools and someone who hurls insults around is a fool 100% of the time. Only reply to comments that are genuine criticism / questions (or funny).
I still lurk on PDW, but I stopped commenting right before or just after the 2020 election.
Choosing a username with a prominent “Q” in it made me a target for all sorts of hate 😆
I remember getting downvoted into oblivion when I made comments saying I would never take the vaxx (this was before it became available and Trump was talking up Warp Speed). I was the loony, mouth-breathing anti-vaxxer.
Now they’re all anti-vaxxers 😂
Yeah some people have Q-derangement syndrome. Disagreeing with / disbelieving Q is one thing but the hatred is just unhealthy. I don't believe the earth is flat, but I don't hate flat earthers, I can see where they're coming from at least.
Exactly, and great analogy. I can disagree with, and maybe even occasionally side eye, some flat earth explanations. But I highly doubt flat earthers are bad or malicious people worthy of any hate.
Same goes for Q. You don’t believe it, fine. Believe what you want — I’m not trying to hurt you with my opinion.
I usually just admonish them for lack of manners and move on, lol. If you are name calling and getting aggressive, you don’t deserve to have a dialogue of any kind.
Agreed!
Heavenly Father we love you so much. Thank you for the leadership's faith and commitment to there mission to keep this place special. Continue to lift them up and protect them from harm. Give them wisdom and direction so they can best act in your will. Keep them close in your arms as they make these tough choices. Father its never easy to see someone spiral, especially those you have learned and grown with for a while now. We ask that you guide these people back to peace and calmness so they can begin to see there mistakes and fix themselves. Help them turn to u during this time so you may begin to Guide them back to the light and love. Thank you for this group we have. Help us all to learn and grow closer together from this. In Jesus Christ glorious name amen
What happened!
https://greatawakening.win/p/15JnKitzSn/x/c/4OdjQQ8CpAX
KEK !!
Wow, thanks for all you do, mods. I'm sorry y'all were being harassed. This is my most favoritest site on the interwebs and I am grateful for it every day. Much respect to all you overseers of this forum.
I've totally missed out the ***storm, however: THANK YOU, mod team!
i imagine that some of the users here have gotten frustrated and wanted to express their frustration--but the mods did what they are supposed to do and it is shame they ended up being banned. From the wording, I am not certain it is a permanent ban at this time, but it sure sounds like it.
Around here, a permanent ban means "gone until you want to come back as an anon and start lifting along with everyone else." Form the sidebar:
That means no dozens of crazy rants in modmail, no PM'ing users, staying on Q, and, especially (how is this not obvious) no griefing the mods with posts in other WINs.
It's absurd that the GAW mod team has to deal with this, but, it's no big. Most of the time, this board is blissfully unaware of how crazy it can get, and that's by design. That's exactly how it should be, and we love doing it.
Thanks, I appreciate the information.
Two more weeks is a helluva drug frens.
Stay cool and kek on. Trust in the Lord.
I'm here even on nightshift and completely missed this.
Wow.
Same, I don't like posting often but I lurk a large amount, so I didn't know anything was really going on.
Thanks Mods for doing a fine job of keeping the board focused. Major props!
you and your team rock catsfive.and we all thank you all
I’ve been here since day one. I designed one of the original banners that the mods were considering using. “Let’s get the banned back together” blues brothers meme. I was invited over personally from TD.W I had over 10k comment and 10k post karma… I was nuked out of existence during Covid for talking about the see eye aye. I’d love to get my old account back
ehay is the see eye aye?
Thank you, Mods, for your tireless work to make GAW awesome! You are appreciated!
Glowies are very prevalent anymore in patriot groups, outright NAZI'S, Doomers, calling for violence or Doxxing and the ones spreading crazy conspiracy theories like flat earth level stuff to make us look like loonies.
I think we all want to "hear the drama", but, thanks mod team for sparing us the details. Tbh, just following the unelected folks is enough drama and frustration as it is. No need for more from folks supposedly on your side.
It's moments like this I'm thankful for my "never bother to check PMs" policy.
WWG1WGA, anonymously. 😎
In my opinion don't place a time table for every single event to occur. I think a lot of people are burning themselves out by date fagging so much IMO.
This tug-of-war between white hats and black hats operates on long time tables in terms of years and decades. And no plan goes accordingly and will change. The plans change because we live in a dynamic world with many possibilities.
President Trump embracing the truth lately is all the proof I need that good things are ahead and I don't need to set a certain date for it all.
I must be totally out of it since I was not aware this was occurring. And I must not be importante enough to be getting any PMs from them.
I've gotten some nasty mail/responses from a few people, one in particular i couldn't do anything right in this person's eyes. No matter what my response was it was wrong.
For the most part I don't engage those people.
They often make a volatile extreme post and I usually ignore them.
Thank you, I try to be, but people don't always like that especially when they're crabby themselves.
Me too, I feel so unimportant! I’ve never received hate mail from anyone here — or any mail for that matter 😆
me neither
Me, neither. It is sad.
Maybe the accounts got hacked?
You mean maybe they got 'QAnon'd?'
I just checked the moderator logs out of curiosity. All it did was confirm that these guys are working their tails off trying to keep this board stable. Thanks. I have stopped visiting other "news sources" and primarily come here when I have the time. As I look back to when I first started this journey, I am amazed at how much I know now that I didn't know then, and am learning more every day. Your work is appreciated, guys.
EDIT: I'm still bummed I haven't got an avatar yet, lol.
"...posts on other WINS?" Is it problem to post other .win sites?
Not at all. He was saying that was where they were staging their crazy.
Hopefully we're over that. It's a volunteer crew, we do our best to be consistent.
Can we get like, some examples of what behaviors they were engaged in that was unacceptable? Aside from the obvious doxxing or mod flaming etc. I just want to know the jist of what started all this, bc this sucks
https://greatawakening.win/p/15JnKitzSn/x/c/4OdjQQ8CpAX
or even just an explanation without details like was it heated disagreements with other users or personal attacks or somethin? if not its cool, just trying to understand
all i remember is people starting beef with Cats over the Chemtrails conspiracy which was getting heated but it might be something different who knows
To be fair, I start with that as well. I swear, the next person to send me that "confession" from the deck of a 777 ...
Started a job, so it sounds like I'm missing all the fun. I'm becoming...a morning person.
It saddens me that we have some long time contributors that either feel betrayed, or legitimately needed to be banned for reasons we are not seeing publically.
One of the worst parts will be the loss of the great contributions that will no long be available even in search.
One has reached out to me & I love this pede. I don't have the full context so I cannot determine if mods made the right call. If the pede was being unreasonable, or if tempers should have been cooler on both ends (usually it is two, or more, individuals who allow insults & names offend them).
What I do know is that every single pede should read & apply "How to Win Friends and Influence People" by Dale Carnige when any type of offense could be taken.
We are all on one team to save this world, whether you like it or not NCSWIC. Not a single one of us knows exactly what is coming or how it will be applied. Obvious shills need deportation. Pedes getting angry at each other just give the enemy fried pepes to chuckle about as we fry our own for them to savor.
Mods are human, make mistakes & are unpaid volunteers. Mods, thank you for your service. It is more than I am doing with the occasional meme & spurts of high energy posts when time allows.
Fellow pedes & lurkers, I hope we can all allow cool heads to prevail. Otherwise we will find in time that a ban hammer will remove precious conversations that are needed to be recalled in the future (seriously, I can't find comments or posts from these banned guys likely due to how .WIN code is set up).
If we fight amongst ourselves, we will eventually all lose in the long run.
You can PM here..?
I guess I am lost; did something major go down today here? I am not seeing any such posts. Who were/are the posters?
*Go away for a majority of the day and miss out on everything it seems
TO THE MODS: I haven't read the comments yet, but if no one has told all of you, I think you are doing a great job and thank you all for the work that you continue to put in here on this board.
kek, don't think I've ever checked my DMs.
Now I know.