They say x, ask for where they heard about x. They say from y news organization, ask the source for y. If they say z, if z is actually an actual document or otherwise, ask them where in z does y claim x is true.
If z is just another news organization, keep going until they provide (or don't provide) an actual document. If they can't procure an actual document, send it yourself. If z is just another video cIip, ask them for the whole video. Provide them the entire video if they can't.
Do not try to antagonize. Just simply ask the questions as if you were trying to understand their point of view, to learn something we might not have heard.
I did something similar to my neighbor when they started pushing masks in school. She said they work and there is documentation proving it. I said great can you send it so I can read it over I swear she has bearly spoken to me since. Covid fucked her up
I'm on the fence with these people. One one hand, I know that they've been miseducated and propagandized, and it's not nearly the first time in history that masses of people have been lied to and fooled. These anti-human pieces of garbage have been studying our psychology forever and they know just how to get at people. That being said, I'm pissed at folks' unwillingness to see the truth in front of their eyes as the Cabal's narrative unravels in real time and their plans are revealed. God chose us to be able to see through this shit and has given us discernment, so I'll do my part and try to help the normies understand as events unfold, but it doesn't make me feel any less frustrated.
it is rooted in intellectual laziness... They are unwilling to think since it is easier to repeat what the boob tube tells them.
Agreed. I've observed that the most ignorant and willfully blind types as described above are also the same types who are technophobic, do not know how to 'internet', or only use the internet for FB, IG, YT, Netflix, and msm news. They are afraid to take the road less travelled, value obedience more than courage, and hide from uncomfortable truths in personal issues. Many of the people I know in this category are also narcissistic bully types who will attack any who don't accept their opinions and will never admit they're wrong about anything.
I don't know about the "technophobic" thing, but THIS ...
... is SPOT ON.
When I say technophobic, I'm referring to specific examples in my life who grew up before personal computers, of the boomer gen; people I know, like my mum, who never embraced technology, can barely use a cellphone, never learned basic computer skills, and thus severely limit their sources of information. They are afraid of computers, and never bothered to learn.
It's interesting that there's good/true and bad/false content on YT; both sides can be presented, for a chance to show them which videos depict the truth, but they only pick out what supports their erroneous argument. They go out of their way. Confirmation bias is the official term for that.
Someone on here posted a YT link to an Andrew Huberman video talking about dopamine so I watched the longer version because it blew my mind. One of the things that causes a dopamine spike is hearing information that reinforces your own beliefs. Very interesting considering how vehemently people will defend their own points of view instead on genuinely trying to discern the information and question their own beliefs. Like someone earlier said: they value obedience over courage. I would also say they value fitting in over personal integrity.
Agreed. I watch vids on YT, myself, but I was referring to self-limiting exposure, as you pointed out. There's a lot more out there than just cute kitten vids. For example, tons of documentaries, spiritual videos, how-to vids on dyi projects, that kind of stuff is great. But thank you for defining confirmation bias. I'd heard it before, but never really zeroed in on its meaning.
Yes. They are terrified of being kicked out of the herd. They will do absolutely anything to avoid that.
These people will appease and virtue-signal The Herd as much as possible, so they can remain on the correct side of things and not get kicked out. They shriek at you because you are going against The Herd and they're terrified of "guilt by association" if they're known to be talking to you.
Herd mentality. Mob mentality. That's what we're dealing with.
Absolutely.
Agreed! Right on point.
Someone (reddit) is going bananas over this post...😆😆😆 https://www.reddit.com/r/Qult_Headquarters/comments/11zjetf/are_you_prepared_to_be_deprogrammed/
This is sad:
They just don’t get that we generally take in a lot of media, and while any one source should be taken w a grain of salt, we have general trust in these institutions because they ALWAYS, without fail, provide a paper trail.
And have been for many, many years, from stuff no one even cares about to the biggest stories, they’re meticulous in CYA. And when they make a mistake, they actually admit it!
Contrast that with their “We Are the News Now” BS…it’s always sourced to some dude on the internet.
The whole point is, I don’t need to know the source of the source of the source offhand. The media I consume is constantly called into question by its competitors, readers, subjects, and occasionally lawyers, and they’ve always brought the receipts- so rather than make myself insane and just assume they’re lying and making unfalsifiable claims, I trust their expertise- because it’s well-earned.
Omg, I wish I hadn’t followed that link! Those imbeciles are beyond annoying, self righteous schmucks.
My experience is different. Most of the "uneducated" I know sniffed out that something was goofy with the narrative. But I know truly brilliant people who fell for the crap. Here's what they all have in common: big egos, arrogance.
It's the old adage: pride goeth before a fall.
Yep, these people aren't thinking at all, simply regurgitating everything they've heard from "the experts"
There's no arguing with that. You have to ask the questions they themselves have failed to ask and restart the atrophied broken down logic engine sitting inside their mushy smooth brains.
Very well said. I feel The same way.
I firmly believe there are those of us that are more capable of doing this than others of us. Case in point: my husband is excellent at asking the tough questions because he’s patient & more unemotional. I, on the other hand, just get frustrated at how stupid they are. I defer to him quite often, especially when it counts & someone’s opinion could be changed. Love that man!
When I thought of 'the masses' being mind controlled by propaganda it was always some invasion of stormtroopers. I never thought of my friend of 20 years dropping me because 'actions have consequences' or insisting on everyone wearing N95s outside. I never thought my inlaws would go from being 100% against a medical treatment to 100% for it over the course of a month, even pushing it on me and my child. It makes me afraid of the media, seeing how it can blow people around like the wind.
What they really did was leverage our fear response, and advanced the idea over decades that everything has to be 'safe.' More than that, that the government is the one entity that can make everything and everyone safe, and decides what safe is, which is a total fallacy. But people fell for it anyway
That's when I realized that I've been surrounded by retarded people my entire life. I feel so lonely now.
Did the toilet paper frenzy have something to do with that?
Wow. Kudos, Fren. Longtime stalker, never talker here. To me, this is the best succinct synopsis of many of the problems I've read (I've either been here, or Voat before the close/migration, or r/greatawakening before the ban before that) in at least 4 years!
Many many many of us have lurked and never commented but seen the red flags from r/greatawakening dying at 100k. r/pizzagate shut down, voat down. We still lurk and many use different psuedonames ifykyk type. Fedfags are always here still. Coincidence?? LOL NCSWIC
Before Little Saint Janes (Epstein Island) there was Bird Island, in Algoa Bay.
Not to be too depressing, but they have kinda turned the USA into that already.
I have a 'niece' (through marriage, not blood... Very very extended family) that just turned 17 and is about ready to give birth. Sexually active since she was 13, pregnant at 16. Baby daddy is 26yo cousin. And niece's mom thinks 'NO BIG DEAL', just normal human behavior. Like WTF IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE.
This isn't in the backcountry hills of the incestuous deep south, like the Media loves to portray. No, they live in a large, overly liberal and democrat run US city.
I'm just about done with humanity.
The only saving grace is they didn't abort.
you mentioned the 4-6% and I agree it sounds too low compared to what we see. I wonder if 4-6 could mean 40-60? Is there a math rule that we're missing? many gnostics believed 1/3 of population to be empty/hylics, 1/3 are 'psychics' have the potential to awaken, and 1/3 'pneumatics' have a direct God connection.
if they have 'potential' we'd have to try to help, so 2/3 would be able to 'awaken' with a lot of work on Q's part 🤔
I would guess the number is based on statistics - 2 standard deviations from the mean, which is around 95%.
same here. I mean i have close friends and family that were all in. Most have gotten over it and talk like it was no bid deal . I am thinking you would not do anything because they told you not to.
Red Forman knew their were a shit ton of dumb ass's long ago.
Deep blue state resident here. Even though no longer being pushed (actively) they never fully went away. People still voluntarily wear them. Although not proved conclusively, high likelihood these people are part of the Bumper Sticker, Flag & Lawn Sign Cadre. How many intersections do you think there are -
Supports Ukraine, BLM, LGBTQ+, etc.
Believes in science
Hate has no home there
Nurses are the real heroes
Voted for Hillary, Elizabeth Warren, and/or Pelosi etc.
Masks are the visual virtue signal approaching religious icon status. They are pro health and believe masks show that. It's all that matters and if you try and show them contrary data you are a denier i.e. blasphemer. Ultimately this leads to you being incredibly dangerous and if enough of them get their way...
This
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Count on it.
that's their usual response to 'facts'. They don't like them; as if they're programmed to shut down/give you the blank stare. they also get angry. Even some of my more alert acquaintances can't deal with logic; scary, but also explains so much.
the people ive had trouble with over the decades (corrupt bosses, co-workers, etc) have ALL been liberals. we just didn't separate & label them, so was hard to see the patten. Thanks to Q for shining a light on it.
Feelings over fact. This will not deprogram a true liberal, only make them mad.
I did this with trump called Mexicans rapists. I asked all the questions. Then provided him the video then asked him to watch and point out where. He would just send me a link to an article that said trump said it . He then claimed its not recorded but someone heard him say it. Some will never wake up.
Most dyed in the wool liberals wouldn't make it that far. I would know, I'm married to one. I tried with the covid and clot shots. Waste of time. Anyone that can be persuaded at worst an independent or moderate. Although at this point in the game i don't see how anyone can be on the fence.
think your last sentence is one of the main points of All of this; a certain percentage will Never wake up & We have to come to terms with that; they're not built like we are🥴
Here in New England, my Trump supporting family & friends STILL bury their heads in the sand when I mention the BS with Covid tests, the injection side-effects and the Deep State.
The programming is INTENSE.
YOU are a better person than I.
I can't waste my breath on these people and simply walk away.
My conversations with liberals went like this:
Liberal: Orange man bad. Trump is the devil. Russia, Russia, Russia.
Me: Trump is fighting to give us back our country. He is fighting for you, too; even thought you hate him. (Describes verifiable evidence of deep state actions against Trump).
Liberal: That’s not true. I haven’t heard anything about that in the news.
Me: Exactly! Why have you not heard of it when the facts are released to the public? Why would you rely upon “news” that hides the truth from you?
It’s in the released FBI emails between Peter Strzok and Lisa Page. Has your news source told you about that? Do you know who those people are? (Summary of Russian Collusion Hoax).
Liberal: (Comes unhinged and starts yelling). Mind you, this is a retired teacher who got out of teaching because the system is so bad.
She did not know who Sessions, Mueller, Comey, Srtzok, Page or any of the other players were.
Me: The news lies to you because Obama made it legal to propagandize the American people.
Liberal: THAT’S NOT TRUE! Where did you hear that???!!!
Not from the MSM, that’s for sure. I’d be happy to send you some sources.
u/TCPatriot Don't forget to remind them that the stuff they ARE hearing on the news, is shit you tried to tel them 2 years ago - and they wouldn't listen. (This really pisses them off!)
Wish that I could, but she shunned me when I told her that Anthony Fauci funded the creation of the bioweapon SARS COV2, via gain of function.
They literally don't know ANY or a very limited amount of the true players. Therefore they can't even play the game. Therefore they really don't do ANY of their own research.
Where did you see this? I'd love to learn more
Smith Mundt Modernization Act
https://www.congress.gov/bill/112th-congress/house-bill/5736
Smith Mundt modernization act 2012 or 2013 ish
More info: After WWII, the Smith-Mundt Act was passed, making it illegal to use false propaganda against the American people. It was ok to do it overseas, but not against Americans at home.
Obama and Congress repealed that provision.
Since then, we have had a steady dose of false propaganda.
https://www.rcreader.com/commentary/smith-mundt-modernization-act-2012
Such deep, wow.
Only way talk to liberal; be exceptionally and increasingly mean to them throughout encounter. Be subtle but harsh. End with “your mother’s a whore and your wife(husband) looks of a horse.” -konfewshus
Lol
Kek. You sound like former/current military.
Current. Vax and all 🤦♂️
You play COD
Haha the only game I play is online chess.
Nice. That sounds reminiscently like a Monty Python bit. The Holy Grail?
Nailed it! The storming of the castle and the French guard of the watch scene?
That's the one. Clip clop, went the coconut shells...
I live ina super Liberal state....I am not even a trump supporter like you guys. I am more.....dis-enfranchised with the entire USA political system. And I believe everyone in office is a problem and isnt looking out for us at ANY regard. That was my own opinion. So when the liberals come at me as a Trump supporter,,,and I toss the "Fuck Trump" at them.
It always boils down to feelings. Right
This past weekend at a family gathering the topic of drag queens came up. The liberals in my family were all up in arms.....pissed.
I simply said.....how appropriate is it for me.. a straight man to take my 7-12 year old to the strip club so I can find her a new momma?
They couldnt say shit..........But yet I was still wrong about "drag queens"
Then I dropped the "People in drag arent the problem" "Drag queens in schools teaching kids, twerking, and pole dancing is the mother fuckin problem"
They couldnt wrap their minds around it.
More and more I believe the "shot" is turning people into literal, non thinking NPC's
Not long ago, as in 10-20 years tops, there were dudes who liked to dress up like women. Most of them looked ridiculous, though some were a bit convincing. They were called cross-dressers or transvestites.
Still, most normal people just thought it was funny. Odd, but funny. There was no indication that they wanted to indoctrinate anyone else.
But now, they have crossed the line, and they have become criminals.
I no longer support them at all, and I only support pushing them back into the closet.
They went too far, and it is their own damn fault.
Your belief is turning true as their bodies fill with poison.
I truly believe the spike protein is severely inhibiting neurological function. I am seeing the decline iof vaccinated people right infront of my eyes.
Why do you dislike Trump if he is stating the exact moral values you are? I mean if you took away the Republican politician side and all your values aligned would you still say fuck Trump? He has stated himself he isn't about rep vs dem he is about patriotism and democracy and if he follows through with that will it be a surprise to you?
Trump pushes the vaccines. Trump supports Isreal. Trump didnt pardon assange. I do not like Trumps personality. There are many reasons to not like him. No one is perfect. And I did infact vote for him, because he was the best choice we had. I am not under any illusions or Trump derrangment syndrome. He did amazing things for this country. I just personally do not care for him is all. My own opinion. Of which I am entitled to
Ah ya some good arguments my man. The only thing I would add is he has to tow a few lines to keep engagement. For instance I wouldn't look at it as advocating or pushing vaccines when he clearly gave alternatives etc. He has a fine line he needs to try and maintain. That's just my perspective not saying it's right. But it is a much more critical or nuanced way to think imo.
Here's what I do:
Me- I really want to make sure I have both sides correct in any situation. So, I will tell you why I think you don't like Donald Trump. No snark or sarcasm allowed.
Then you tell me why I do support him without snark or sarcasm.
Why wouldn’t you instead ask them why without snark or sarcasm? Why waste time playing guessing games?
Yes, that is an interesting exercise.
The other side can NEVER accurately explain our side -- on any topic whatsoever.
That is the point. It is to point out that they haven't actually "thought" through anything. If you asked me why I don't support Obama, I could give you many issues that that Obama championed that were detrimental to Americans, without name calling him. They can't do that. That is the point they need to realize. Also, I have used this many times, but not to strangers, but rather people I know.
The one issue I always tag with Obama is the fact that he funded and continued to fund ISIS while they were mass slaughtering Christians, half a million of them.
That’s how they debate with us. They want us to justify every jot and tittle — and then they find a technicality to dismiss it on: “But Tucker Carlson is a fascist!” SMH
The moment they realize they can't answer your question, they move the goalpost.
They do it not because they are smart, but precisely because they are stupid.
Leftism is a religion. They will never concede anything.
Instead of trying to prove your point, just ask them "Is there any position on the left you will not defend?"
This question with screw with their heads for a while.
I've tried this tactic before. You often can't get past the second question without them saying "I'm not going to spoonfeed you" or "look it up yourself."
No matter how kindly you ask questions, they'll come back with insults and hostility
Always.
It's because they are ignorant, and will not admit even to themselves that they have no idea why they believe the things they do.
Ironic. They're the ones who have been spoonfed!
I'd say, listen, I'm engaging in critical thinking alongside with you. If you're saying you have done the hard work of examining sources, I would be shocked that you would not want to share that. However, if you're lazily swallowing whatever comes from the teats of Big News, this is exactly the type of response I'd expect. If you want, sit beside me as we dig down below the frosting and see what this cake is actually made of.
Liberals operate on emotions, truth, facts or counter arguments will not penetrate their wall of cognitive dissonance!
Q: why you hate trump?
A: this conversation is over
This is helpful for Climate bullshit deprogramming:
https://www.noagendashow.net/listen/1336
"You can't reason people out of something they were not reasoned into." These people have undergone traumatic brain washing. They didn't evaluate the evidence, consider the source, and come to a reasoned conclusion. They were terrified into thinking they and all those they loved were going to die, unless they did what the authorities said would make them safe. Anyone who contradicted the authorities (their emotional mommy), were the stranger, the enemy: "stranger danger." Reason can't touch that. You can prove it to them absolutely, and they still won't accept it. Our task is to figure out how to overcome that.
Very good logic. You need to setup an AI to do it for you.
I'd rather not. I'm wary of those. But that is certainly an interesting thought. It's like the Tenth Man approach. In case it's not real (heard it from the movie WWZ lolol) it's if everybody is in agreement, the tenth dude has to disagree by asking the questions nobody else asked.
It is kind of like the movie 12 Angry Men. The one juror holdout gets everyone to change his mind by simply asking questions.
I have not seen the remake, but the original is a great movie.
Great analogy.
It would be cool if anons did this for themselves before posting some of the baloney they've posted on this site. Critical thinking should never be forgotten, no matter what side of the political spectrum we are on.
I would like that too.
Ask a liberal what opinion you are allowed to have that runs counter to their own. So instead of stating what you think or believe, ask THEM to give YOU an opinion that they would allow you to argue. And the liberal will quickly realize that there are ZERO opinions you are allowed to publicly hold that run counter to their own. I mean really, name one. Pro-life? Nope, that’s hate. Pro-border? Nope, that’s racist. Pro-Republican? Nope, that makes you a bigot. And I think once you’ve trapped the liberal into admitting that NO ONE is allowed to disagree with them on ANYTHING, it’s immediately obvious who the close-minded ones are.
Yup, be polite. Don't rush. Challenge their NPC programming on one narrow provable point at a time.
This is the way.
Complimentary Qult Headquarters conversion on this thread.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Qult_Headquarters/comments/11zjetf/are_you_prepared_to_be_deprogrammed
Seems to me one of the biggest misunderstandings of the world these people have is that they don’t know the entire corporate media is owned by six companies. They think when they go to the New York Times, then ABC News, then their local newspaper, then Vox, that they have looked at several different sources. They don’t realize these are all the same companies. So they don’t even know what they don’t know. Funny too because liberals used to be the ones who didn’t trust these mega-corporations, but since Obama, they no longer question corporations because they think the corporations are now on their side. They don’t realize these corporations are using them as useful idiots.
Even worse, the corporate heads of those companies all attend the same Bilderburger, trilateral commission and council of foreign relations meetings. They are all in lockstep, all in the same club and we aren't in it.
Bots and NPC's bragging about blocking friends and family members and how good they are at "google".
One post states how easy it is to open up a new tab, type in to Google and deboonk something in 30 seconds by the top result.
Hahahaha
I don't trust that a lot of reddit accounts are even real.
On behalf of normies I'd like to say the following:
Living life is hard. It's tough figuring out life without relying on others in some way. Most sheeple are young/naïve, or they have reasonably acceptable lifestyles that appear to be dependent on the very institutions that autists have learned to distrust.
Waking up is terrifying.
The Socratic method is timeless!
I admire your optimism.
People don't like to think, at all whatsoever, about anything. If you make them think through their thought process, they may hate you for even pushing them in that direction, but it will at least get them to challenge their own beliefs.
That the Socratic method or am I seeing things? Haha
Socratic Method is powerful -- to the point they wanted to kill Socrates for nothing more than asking them why they thought the things they thought.
This inability to think through ideas has been part of human nature for a LONG time.
Don't i know it haha. Very powerful and for good reason
Excellent advice.
Them: “That’s not true!” Me: “Do you watch the news?” Them: “Yes!” Me:”That’s the problem!” <Grin>
They’re just infatuated. They can’t handle themselves for it. Lol what a life.
You won’t get that far before “I don’t have time to go into it”🤷🏼♂️
Good luck getting a liberal to stand there long enough for that. Most just scream racist, bigot, misogynists and run away
That's when you reverse the heat, and start mocking and laughing at their misguided ideas
Socratic method - works almost every time. An interesting question to ask is, "If you were wrong, would you want to know it?"
THANK YOU!! I have been trying to find something like this. I would also like to know exactly how to try to tell people that "Even though we do not see eye to eye, does not mean we do not have to get along."
You could always ask if they agree with Republicans like Lincoln, and when they bring up the "party switch", tell them that those og Republican liberals were classical liberals, aka what most modern conservatives are.
Me, however, I prefer to use simple logic. I start by saying I really wish I could press a button that would make the world instantly wonderful but, ultimately, a lack of resource requires some form of governance or centralized arbitor of law. The only question here in my mind is how much power should it have.
Then, the actual thought experiment. You have a room with ten people and ten phasers. Every so often, they Ieave for a new group of ten.
In one scenario, everyone has one phaser.
Even if there's a Romulan every ten or so rooms, it'll be next to impossible for them to take on the other nine, even if they set the phaser from stun to kiII. And, even if he does, he'll have to wait for the next ten people, all of whom have their own phasers.
In the other scenario, only one person has access to a stockpiIe of phasers.
Let's say there's only one Romulan in even a thousand rooms. But it only takes one to completely destroy everything. Not just for that group, but for the next group, and the next group, and the one after that.
Then, I'll say if I was assured that only good people could be that one guy, I wouldn't be a conservative. That being said, I look at what's been done to the world throughout recorded history all the way to current day and ask myself. Have we truly changed? Or has it simply only been the times?
Most people are wonderful, don't get me wrong. But it's the few that would try to destroy a good thing. We've all seen it in many companies, and a government is nothing more than just another one. They deal with other peoples' wealth like any non profit, but instead of do nations, they call it taxation.
But non profits are relatively transparent over their expenditures, but even if they're not or you disagree with them, you have the choice to stop giving your money away. If you want some transparency, which would require a court filing or otherwise (only to yield a heavily redacted paper if you're lucky enough to be approved) just simply to see where your money's at, you don't even get to choose which jaiI you get to go to if you try to stop your payments.
Sorry for the length. Hopefully there's something of use here.
Not for me. I do the shortest route to victory.
Example.
Years ago someone who fancies themselves a bible believing Christian and a life long democrat said, "Rush Limbaughs a liar."
I asked for an example of the lie.
Responce, There are just so many.
He's been on radio and TV for over a quarter century. I onlt want 1 example to prove your statement.
Nothing.
So I say, "So you are one of those people. Who will destroy a good mans name, bare false witness because someone on TV who you've never met says so."
To this day they never speak of politics in my presence. Make no mistake, this is noticed.