We do know that Trump wants us to see this so he can fix the problem without push back.
I totally understand that.
But is Trump creating a problem so bad that he is under estimating how he can fix it.
If 15 million illegals are over here. How in the hell is he expected to find them all?
Then where is he going to put them? To send that many people back would take a huge effort.
In order to even try something like this. Trump would need to openly put in a surveillance state and checkpoints to check ID.
He also would need the military and police busting down doors to capture illegals hiding.
This is exactly what the deep state would want. So they can now say it’s Trump bringing in the great reset and military state.
I am trying to go through how in the hell can he sit there and think he has a plan to send that many people back.
It’s ease to game plan an idea. It’s much more complicated to actually implement it live.
What am I missing here friends!
Eisenhower had operation wet back...it can be done
We can call it went back. Lol.
Where'd they go? They went back
Far more left to avoid the hassle than were actually apprehended. Lengthy processing incarcerations we're an effective deterrent and many just walked home.
I was just going to point out that history thank you
Keks abounding
Free cruise --- free food and drinks
Unload them to a triple wide barge anchored in international waters.
Easy. Illegals will need to file paperwork, create a ITIN for tracking purposes and pay taxes with proof for 10+ years then pathway to citizenship and up to a certain number in tax like 150k. Use this money to pay off national debt.
If not deport, this will also make illegals want to leave that are bums. We need workers for certain jobs that no one wants to do. Probably will get down voted but this helps both sides.
Next work out deals with Central American countries that incentivize people to go back. Add more manufacturing once in China to Central America.
Other option go full blown war mode and take over central america and kill all drug cartels. Mexico has a shit ton of silver. Then central america becomes "new" United States lol. With new labor transform "new" United States.
We should send cruise missles to cartel haciendas in mex and honduras..they kill a hundred thousand a year w fentynal..an zero imports from chyna as they provide the precursers
Yep. That sounds like a plan.
I know EXACTLY what you mean by wanting it to be like it was when that was said.
What if their own country offers them something they won’t get here without citizenship. They might self deport.
This is the best option.
That was my thought. No government handouts, no free health care, no free food, shelter, or cell phones. They are not entitled to our tax dollars.
And, most importantly, no more tax dollars to charitable organizations who pretend to “be helping” with resettlements, and the rest of it - no money for food banks, either.
And, no jobs either, with our big corporations being fined heavily if they hire illegals. And, no anchor babies, either.
So there, maybe the newly impoverished charitable organizations can accept voluntary donations from the bleedingheart lefties for cheap transportation back to the country of origin.
well met
This. An executive order that overhauls all the loopholes that allow for them to take advantage of welfare.
Also, secret visits to manufacturing plants all over the country - after this, executive order overhauling labor law loopholes that allow their hiring.
After that, address the nation on live broadcast, announcing that in 2 months time, any illegal caught still in this country will be subject to 25-life in the slammer.
Do these things, and the vast majority of those not caught will be scrambling to go back.
We forget the CIA has been destroying these people’s countries for generations with puppet leaders, corporate rape and sabotage. If that stopped many might be excited to return home. My worry is the sabotage teams sent here by foreign deep state governments. I remember reading about CIA contractors in Central America killing and running off farmers from their land so big corporations could move in and grow corn for US ethanol subsidies, it absolutely infuriated me.
The United Fruit Company-evil nation ruining "organization" gained control of 42% of agricultural land in Guatemala alone, it was around before the CIA was called the CIA. The deep state has been raping the Latin countries for decades, which of course the Communists take advantage of. Pedro would have stayed if he had land and a small village to sell his produce in. The CIA promoted the drug cartels, so nothing is farmed if they cannot smuggle out the drugs with the avacados. It is all so evil and tied up with trafficking and children being traded like game cards, illegal weapons provided to them. Chickens coming home to roost and law enforcement, except for border security, are silent as to what to do.
Yes, I forgot about them, thanks for the numbers I didn’t know.
Right, let their Own Nations offer them the chance to STAY ALIVE....
That should be incentive enough....
I'm not saying I believe in the NESARA speculation, because I haven't bothered to look into it to have an opinion one way or the other, but I was told a couple years ago that GESARA $ would be available to people in their own country, and they would need to return to claim it. Grain of salt...
First step is to stop calling them "migrants" and feeding their narrative. They take over words and make them their own. Enough already. They are Illegal Aliens, stressing the ILLEGAL.
""ILLEGAL Invaders""....
Just sayin....
Cut off free housing, food, welfare, offer free plane ride to their previous country.
At first, for like the First 6 Months, then comes the Roundup and forced Deport, after that it becomes Catch and Kill, then return in a Body Bag with Cardboard Box....
There's no need for a forced deport when they can't get work here
""Forged Documents""....
Easily detected and dealt with.
Long gone are the days when you can doctor a document and pass a check.
That’d get my attention if I was illegal…
Military occupation of blue "sanctuary" cities is a must, sorry to be the one to break it to you...Red Staes and areas have to cut off the spigots of welfare and employment...if you live in a red area and you know of a business hiring illegals, it is your fucking DUTY to report the crime...turn off the money supply, and the elevated status they currently receive, and they'll deport themselves...
Right?
And if you hire someone to do a job at your house and they send a crew of illegals SEND THEM AWAY! Don’t fucking hire them!
A lot of people think hiring them is “having a big heart” or “helping the poor” We have tons here where I live cleaning houses and they make 30-50 an hour.
They don’t report the income and get welfare, send kids to schools, medical, etc. making it cost a fortune for those of us that have to pay for them.
I think most people hiring them are thinking more along the lines of "Wow, they're so much cheaper! Cha-ching!".
plus they send a majority of their "pay check" to their families back in their home countries.
Yup, the "Snitches Get Stitches Rule" does not apply in this instance...I'm lucky enough to live rural currently has a strong local economy and resources...
It will be interesting to see what happens. I like your thinking.
What if military has a way to track each and every one of them?
and then track who they interact with. everything makes sense when you view this as a big RICO case.
*Are they still being given an "OBAMA" PHONE. Easy to find them if they have a phone which I suspect they do.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/05/us/border-migrants-cell-phones-cec/index.html
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/cbp-one/id1466940099
u/#q1092
"We love phones!"
I don't know a single person--myself included sadly--who would travel without their phone.
I once lost my phone while at work.
It was weird feeling, relying on normal clocks to check the time.
I am hoping they do. I am still wondering how will they execute that. The Cabal would get all of this on camera saying human rights violations.
Obama phones
What if the illegals ditched the phones because someone on the Cabal team told them to.
...like you can't tell who is illegal if they don't have a phone? [snicker]
So? Let them - sometimes you just have to ignore those who are criminally against us.
Well, first of all you cut off the money supply. No welfare without citizenship. That alone will send millions back home...
You're not going to be able to remove every last illegal immigrant, but those who work hard and integrate to stay hidden might as well stay.
They will deport themselves. Trump is a master negotiator.
Now that would be awesome!
if Trump and Q could rid all the corruption out of these countries, then these people might want to go back home.
My thinking (assuming this is a millitary) operation is that 80%of the illegals should be able to be rounded up and shipped off. The remaining 20% might have a hard time without a valid ID and will be tracked and found over the next five years with a zero tolerance policy from law enforcement.
A lot of welfare programs are at the federal level, section 8, medicaid and SNAP. Cut those off via simply requiring proof of citizenship and then the burden falls to each state. Even solid blue states aren't going to want to pay the entire cost of welfare programs for illegals. If red states refuse to pay for SNAP/housing then the pressure ups onto blue states. Many illegals could simply self deport.
Certain business interests are big end users of illegals. Agriculture, meatpacking, hospitality, landscaping, etc. Start putting the screws to those businesses. Verify citizenship of workers or face huge fines and/or criminal charges.
Trump could also roll out targeted amnesty programs. Those with legit asylum claims could apply or else be considered fugitives. Finally just simply enforcing the law like going after the cartels, traffickers, coyotes, sweatshops, and end users of illegals.
It is a huge problem, but sure, make Trump sound like the questionable/bad guy. I am sure there are lots of strategies, and I am ALL FOR any strategies he may employ because I know he cares and will choose the best ways. You obviously have little faith in him and assume too much. Get your brain on the right side of this because any effort is more than what we have EVER EVER had from the sewer swamp, and we as a nation need it to happen.
I do have faith in him. Meaning that I know he will try to stop it for sure.
I am just questioning how can this be successful
Remember we are watching a movie. I know it sounds ridiculous after seeing all the videos and reports of millions coming across the border. What if it's not near that many? What if it's a lot less and in order to make it look worse they send them to places like NYC and Chicago. I know it's been a big problem for decades and I don't think we removed that many illegals during his first term. Remember too, that prison built just for MS13 gang members in one of the central American countries? I agree with you it seems overwhelming to expect our worthless government to remove millions of illegals quickly.
It's actually quite easy to send them all back, barely an inconvenience.
You pick up all the criminals, do a background check on them. If they are not a US citizen, then after they have finished their time, you put them on a plane -- ADIOS!
The ones who are looking for work will go back home very quickly when businesses are required to do background checks. The federal government was supposed to set up a system where employers could easily verify people's IDs a long time ago.
The ones who are creating fake IDs are easily caught as well. Round them up, ship them off after they have served their time.
Don't go after the illegals directly. Go after the people that make it worth their time. Shut down the people trafficking in illegals. Throw them in prison, or give them a short trial followed by an execution.
Illegals are not coming here on their own. They are not staying here on their own. They're easy to deal with if we simply went after the real criminals.
Great points here. I would also like to see Trump go after Open Borders Inc, including a lot of the NGO's and fake charities that funnel money to the dem party and cartels.
I hate to say it but the Catholic churches aid and abet them.
The Mexican cartels are running the border invasion, and Trump announced (about a year ago?) that we will eliminate the cartels when he's back in office. I thought this was one of his Agenda 47 announcements (https://www.donaldjtrump.com/agenda47) but I can't seem to find it now.
What if we just stop letting them stay in $500/night hotel rooms and stop giving them "free" stuff, on our dime? They may then self deport, if not we will find the rest and send them back ASAP.
Take away all government assistance from the illegals, tax the crap out of out of country wire transfers, enforce E-verify, offer free trips to their home countries - most will leave under their own power.
They have been giving them phones and monthly income as well as housing. A lot of tracking. Facial recognition and other tools. I think it will be easier than people think. I think it will be the 80-20 rule. The first 80% will be easy. The last 20% will be hard. The pre-surge illegals will be easy as well because they are in the system in several ways. The logistics is going to require the military. Any re-entries should be shipped to Africa.
I think it would be far simpler than.most think...simply put a massive tax, or ban on money transfers to latin america-or-require proof of citizenship to do so tax free. In addition make it a Federal crime - and scorch the earth in the prosecution - to provide sanctuary/material assistance to illegals. In that case, the motivation for "migrant workers" goes away, and you are really only left with the criminals. Requiring state/local police reporting and cooperation with INS/ICE goes a long way to sorting that out. Not a perfect solution, but at least the bones of a decent one.
Just so we get an accurate picture of just how big the problem is.....
There were 11 Million here during the Reagan years.
There were 30 million here by the time Barry foisted ObamaCare on us.
There are are 50-60 million here now. 10 million just since Bidan.
At some point, that shit gets baked into the cake.
It's like mixing your glass of water with someone else's and then having them re-separate it into what water belongs to whom......
I heard Illegals are getting free government issues phones with free plans. That way they are easy to track
No simply cut off all benefits except transportation back to their native country. No more welfare, no food, no employment, no housing, no education, no western Union to send money back to coyotes. If you aren’t in the country legally, you get nothing. Drivers licenses voided if immigration status is not proven. Employers who break the ban, get penalized. No military service. The immigrants will be forced to check in.
"Military is the only way"
I always wondered why the government didn’t act on illegals when they were reported.
I know now it is because they didn’t want to.
It would be nice if Trump had all the recent illegals removed PLUS the ones here already.
"What am I missing here friends!"
The rather obvious answers to your questions,
lol. what's that?
I think the plan is self deportation. Most are just in the US for the benefits/money. If that dries up then there isn’t much reason to stay. I expect a serious deportation plan would have three phases. Phase 1 is they voluntary leave with an incentive, phase 2 would be playing hardball by cutting off bank accounts, penalizing employers, and other threats, and phase 3 would be arrest.
When there's no money to house or feed them they will all go home.
Maybe. But when they find out I don't have any then they will go home.
So many illegals are housed defined areas like the huge shanty town in Texas. Or half the the hotels in NYC. Or on the streets of San Diego (now sleeping in parks,etc).
Law enforcement in smaller towns and cities apparently know where most of these illegals are. They're just wanting for the green light to round them up. If we know our Donald he is not just talking trash about this subject.
At the point we should just annex Mexico.
He did state before that he would have each state's law enforcement work to gather them up within the state, "they would be the ones to know where the bulk of them were located within the state." Break that down by each city and it gets even easier. I agree that, it will take a couple billion just to get them out of the country but, for many of them, cost us way more than that for them to stay. I actually tend to agree with Elon on some of it though, if a person got the work visa and have proven that they are and have been actually working hard, might look to get them citizenship. If caught committing a crime such as theft, dealing drugs, trafficking, gang affiliation, or violence, NOPE them out and on a list to never return.
Taxpayers are subsidizing their ability to stay here, end it and they self deport.
Its closer to 50M and at a ship out rate of 5M per month itd take almost a year to clear them out en masse. Its a problem.
My solution: Purge
Last minute change in election policy requiring Id
Illegals show up to cast their vote and they are on the first plane back to Senegal.
In response to OP’s concern about how POTUS will get it done, I was reminded of this clip of Obama’s magic wand speech:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRTGQUISjI0
Let’s remember that Pres. Trump makes good on his promises.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CUrpQVFWJ-8&pp
Best version.
Start by fining companies that employ them. Construction workers 20 bucks an hour for illegals no tax, no benefits, cash. Legal worker 20 bucks an hour costs about 35 bucks an hour, the payroll taxes and benefits are expensive...
I’ve had the thought cross my mind that this might be a trap. This isn’t a bunch of Mexicans and Guatemalans coming here. They seem to be from everywhere, including a large amount of Chinese men of “fighting age”. These are the deepstate’s warriors.
What if the Trojans knew the Greek warriors were in the Horse? They let them in and not only preempted their attack but, captured them with their walls for all to see.
What if the “greek” warriors in America will be brought together at some point in preparation for their mission. Wouldn’t this be a good time to trap them? It would be hard to prove this attack if they never came here willingly and planned something.
China or Russia would never attack America head on. They were plant their seeds in our government and institutions 50 years ago and gained control. They would become a parasite that attacks and controls us from within.
Many of them were given phones, thus, many of them are traceable.