What do these things have in common?
Bitcoin, Russia, Tether, Evergrande, MIT Digital Currency Initiative, Jeffrey Epstein, Pedophilia, Centralized Financial Control, Silver & Gold
Read on.
I was happy and encouraged today to read in a recent sermon by an awake American pastor:
In China the Communist Party sent tanks in front of banks to stop protests by people who were prevented from withdrawing their savings. It is not wise to trust “digital” money and investments, which can be frozen. Real assets are our own skills and relationships, as well as land, precious metals, and, yes, weapons to defend our freedoms.
I specifically appreciated the reference to not trusting 'digital' money.
In the past few weeks, I have been listening to the "Crypto Conspiracy Podcast", which is a 24 part series looking at bitcoin, the emergence of cryptocurrencies, their relationship to the precious metals market, and the circumstances around the rise of bitcoin.
The Crypto Conspiracy Podcast Episode 1
The pitfalls of digital currencies
The events in Canada at the beginning of the year show us clearly what the Cabal intends to do: being able to shut off and steal the assets of those who stand up against their tyranny, as the Canadian Truckers did. A meme I saw yesterday made an exceedingly pithy point: Having you social media account banned or shut down for X days because you failed to follow "the Community Standards" is simply a precursor of how their social credit system will work, except that it's not just your social media account, but your assets, bank accounts, access to utilities, ability to travel, etc.
All of this - the ability to shut down patriots and those who resist their tyranny at the flick of a switch - relies on their digitized slave system of complete digital surveillance, digital ID and digital assets and currency. Even now, central banks around the world are moving to introduce their own digital currencies, which they - the government - will control completely.
The inherent weakness of cryptocurrencies
Crypto currencies, and specifically the flagship Bitcoin, have the image of being anonymous and decentralized. But this is a misnomer and a false image. Bitcoin is completely centralized in the blockchain; every single action and transaction is recorded and is in fact traceable. This reality has been proven by the various arrests and legal actions taken against certain bitcoin holders.
Even now, there are moves by the government authorities and central banks to take bitcoin down, and replace it with their own digital currency. Russia, for example, has moved to impose regulations on use of crypto, and how it can be used. All that really remains at this point is for governments in the world to pass legislation that regulates, or bans, the use of crypto in exchange for local currency, for example. This sort of move is not hard for them to do.
Evergrande & Tether
Explored in the podcast: Is Tether, touted as an asset-backed stable coin, really based on Evergrande paper debt?
The Epstein connections
What is really mind-blowing about the bitcoin situation is the undeniable number of links between bitcoin, its emergence, and Jeffrey Epstein. Epstein, M.I.T., bitcoin developers like Joichi Ito and Wladimir Van Der Laan, and those who hold and control major elements of the bitcoin world - all connected.
Even just an hour or two of digging turns up the following. Why is this element NOT being talked about more?
MIT Digital Currency Initiative
MIT Media Lab became notorious after Ito continued to accept funding from Epstein. For years even after his crimes were known, Ito even covered up the actual source of financing.
Sauce: Adam Back Linked to Jeffrey Epstein? Vitalik Buterin Refutes Claims
"The case of Jeffrey Epstein is full of twists and turns, but to summarize it in one word – vile. As a serial sexual assaulter with cases registered against him since 2008, the MIT Digital Currency Initiative still accepted funding from him, which in itself questions the character of those on the board of directors."
Sauce: https://crypto.news/jeffery-epsteins-mit-digital-currency-initiative-industry-concerns/
New documents show that the M.I.T. Media Lab was aware of Epstein’s status as a convicted sex offender, and that Epstein directed contributions to the lab far exceeding the amounts M.I.T. has publicly admitted.
Sauce: New Yorker Magazine article
Joichi (Joi) Ito
In Japan, he was a founder of Digital Garage, and helped establish and later became CEO of the country’s first commercial Internet service provider. He was an early investor in more than 40 companies, including Flickr, Six Apart, Last.fm, Kongregate, Kickstarter, and Twitter. Ito’s honors include TIME magazine’s “Cyber-Elite” listing in 1997 (at age 31) and selection as one of the “Global Leaders for Tomorrow” by the World Economic Forum (2001).
Sauce: https://www.futureyoungleaders.org/featured-young-leaders/joichi-ito/
Ito & Digital Garage: https://jp.linkedin.com/in/joiito
Epstein, Pedophilia, MIT Media Lab, Joichi Ito: https://themillenniumreport.com/2019/08/jeffrey-epstein-mit-media-lab-and-the-bizarre-suiciding-of-aaron-swartz/
The series of podcasts is extensive, presented by 'Silver guru' David Morgan, but they reveal a much neglected investigation into how bitcoin started, who are the key players in the bitcoin world, and what the advent of bitcoin represents. Is it a coincidence that crypto came out and bitcoin emerged just as Obama rose to the presidency of the USA?
Comment: For many years now, I've had a hard time getting my head around crypto and bitcoin. There have been many conflicting views, like "cryptos will liberate everyone from the central banking system" to "crypto is the beast system that will be used to enslave humanity" etc.
The bigger picture
These podcasts paint a that indicates that, regardless of the value of the technology itself, crypto technology, and specifically bitcoin, etc., have been hijacked by the Cabal powerbrokers to their own advantage, firstly to drive populations away from the traditional storage of monetary value that precious metals (gold, silver, etc) have been, and secondly, to prepare the way for the introduction of centralized digital currencies that "can be frozen" at the drop of a hat.
I recommend this podcast series for all pedes, whether you have interest in gold and silver, or cryptos, or not. The picture these podcasts paint of the larger battlefield helps to put a LOT of what is happening around the world today in a perspective that is clearer than ever, and they point the way forward for those seeking to step outside of their tyranny. In particular, Podcast 14 brings a lot of the key content together. If you want to skip to the meaty part directly, have a listen to podcast 14.
The Crypto Conspiracy Podcast – Episode 14 - The Other Side of Crypto That Nobody Is Talking About
Either way, there is LOTS to dig on here.
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Anyone who has been into crypto for 5 seconds knows that its not anonymous and was never intended to be...its a public ledger. But while that sounds scary it actually has its upsides too. But Bitcoin is the most secure decentralized network. Its really an amazing asset when you really study it. And yes some cryptos are more centralized than others. Every crypto has to decide where they want to land in the trilemma of security, decentralization or scalability. But digital assets are going to be a key part of the future.
I was going to downvote you for using trilemma which sounds like corporate talk...but apparently that word is from the 17th century. 👌
It's a perfectly cromulent word that embiggens one's vocabulary.
Cool to learn a new word!
I've never heard a corporation use a word like that.
Well that I guess your just not synergistically shifting the paradigm.🙄 looks like we have a critical path failure preventing Q3 teams to efficiently enable cross functional e-markets.
I get what you're saying, but understanding phonetics will allow you to break down the word "trilemma". That definition cannot be obfuscated in the same way the corporate-speak you posted can.
Learn a new word every day. Looks like there's a quadlemma and pentalemma too
Disagree.
First, the cabal completely controls every computer out there. They write the software, they write the OS, they produce the hardware, they own the internet. This is not a level playing field, and you can't beat them on it.
Second, the problem with gold is that if we admit gold is money again, "they" will always be richer than us (European banks, China, Russia all have more gold than we do). But, the same problem exists with bitcoin. How much does China control? How much does "Satoshi Nakamoto" (i.e., the CIA) control? If they have an appreciable percentage of crypto currency, we're admitting they're richer than us and always will be.
Third, the future of currency is silver, not electronic fiat tickets. Metals have no counterparty risk, which crypto has. Things were good in 1913, which is why the cabal had to create the Fed, print money, and knock us off the gold standard. We should be going for what the cabal doesn't want us to have, not fiddling meta-tier bits on a computer wholly controlled by them.
Lastly, yes, "they" do NOT want us to own metals. They don't seem to care about crypto. If they did, they'd be doing to crypto as they've been doing to metals: selling ever more paper crypto to keep the price of crypto down and discourage investment. Instead, they're pumping it, dumping it, pumping it, dumping it. Of course the people who bent the rules to thwart the GME gamma squeeze, the people who frickin' froze the LME and reversed trades when the nickel short was revealed, of course those people know when to buy and when to sell.
Buy silver. In God we Trust, not in cabal-controlled computers.
Oh come on, they don't control 100% of the technology out there. It IS deeply compromised, but its not like there are no alternatives out there. Linux was made for this very purpose.
Even in crypto, which began as open source technology, there is a whole class of blockchains which respect and enforce users privacy. Bitcoin was hijacked by the cabal years ago but it began as simply a way to prevent centralized control of the issuance of currency. The one caveat is that a hostile entity could amass over 51% of the computing power and commandeer the whole network. That was a known risk from the very beginning. The cabal took over through a company called Blockstream that hired all the Bitcoin Core developers and forced out Gavin Andreson, the person who Satoshi left in charge. They then made several alterations to the core code and ruled the online communities through strict censorship of all discussion of what really happened, and through backhanded deals forbid any alternative implementations of the bitcoin client software.
But due to being open source, it could not be shut down. Many forks of bitcoin now exist, as well as many other original blockchain designs which are competing to replace legacy tech which IS 100% cabal controlled. Look into privacy coins, which are the opposite of CBDCs - funds are untraceable and completely invisible to all except whoever holds the private key.
On the Linux note, even that warrants caution. Canonical and Red Hat Enterprises have both had some questionable aims, and over 80% of home user Linux installations are a variety influenced by one of those two entities.
Even if something that is untainted and entirely open-source, I'll be honest: I wouldn't be able to verify it's clean if you set the source code in front of me, and neither could most people. I'd be reliant on some internet denizen to sound an alarm early enough on if something were amiss.
Yes, but you don't have to use those. Just with anything, you need to do your due diligence and use the "right" ones. Just like I look at the back small print of all my grocery store items and make sure they're not manufactured by brands I want to boycott.
You can use BSD even if you really want.
What's the right one, who wrote it, and how does someone like me with little coding knowledge confirm for himself the software can be trusted?
If you're honest, these problems are insurmountable. Also, if you're honest, gold and silver don't have these problems.
The right one is the one that is best for your needs and values. That's why i have right in quotations. It's completely up to you. If your response is simply, "but I can't know each individual that programmed it so how can I trust them," then you're making an argument that I would respond with, then you shouldn't use a computer at all. If you can't look into a company or group of programmers as best you can and make a decision you're comfortable with, then I don't know what to tell you. You don't have to be an expert to do the beat reseaexh you can with your capabilites. Just know BSD and most Linux distributions are made by people who want to get away from the government.
Can you not see that I have no problem shitposting on a platform I don’t trust, but I wouldn’t want that platform to become the foundation of our monetary system? The two are not equally important…
If you can do this, then I don’t know what to tell you. If the last six years have taught me anything, it’s that ALL institutions and big businesses are comprehensively infiltrated.
How do you know they’re not infiltrated? In the case of open source software, how do you come to have the wherewithal to detect an exploit planted by the same people who managed to infect Iran’s uranium enrichment facility’s airgapped computers with a virus that propagates via sound?
If you have any answer other than “you can’t”, you’re lying. You cannot trust any of them. They can’t be allowed to become the architects of our monetary system. In God we Trust, not in a collection of silicon valley programmer bros with spooks mixed in.
GLOWIE ALERT!!!!!
On one of the podcasts, it is pointed out that there is a backdoor built into every piece of operating software and all hardware that is built. It's there. Nothing is outside of that reach.
This is partly what Wexit is referring to, I think.
I have heard this and I can't say whether its true or not, but you have to draw a line somewhere as living like there's a backdoor into absolutely everything means you must accept that you already have no privacy.
Yes, the communists have infiltrated our tech at the deepest levels, but what exactly does that mean for them? What does it mean for cyber defense? Is it all a lost cause and we should accept defeat or give up all electronics? Or can we get educated about cyber security instead of saying "its too complicated and I don't understand computers"?
Thanks for the reply.
Like you, I cannot say whether its true or not that there is a backdoor in all the computer-related tech.
But I think there is potential for a discussion here. For one, I see communists as pretty much a lower level operation and not the controllers. Example, Mao was apparently funded and supported by the Rothschilds. Seen evidence to that effect.
"Communism" is for control of the masses. Non of the elites in the Politburo were really communists - they wanted power and everything for themselves. And communism is being used by the Globalists as their attack dog for destroying the barriers to their control in the West and elsewhere. So, I myself wouldn't say "the communists have infiltrated our tech...", because I don't think the one's infiltrating here are communists.
But if the backdoor thing is true, then its something to be worked through and dealt with. Saying its a lost cause and we should accept defeat or give up all electronics is one extreme (and I don't see anyone actually suggesting that), but "it doesn't matter and we should ignore it and just keep going with what we are doing" is another extreme.
I don't think these are the only two options, and if one thinks in these terms, it should be clear that that is a reactionary response. The uber polarization of thought there is a hint.
It might be a difficult rabbit hole for some people, but learning about whether and how our resources are compromised might be a critical element when looking at combating the attack and the agenda behind it.
One of the things this podcast series has done for me is add a whole new and different layer on the overall battlefield, one that I feel is like one of the last pieces of the puzzle I've been working on for 7+ years.
It seems to me it brings in a 30,000 ft view that has been missing, certainly for me, and I think for a lot of pedes.
The ideal system is actual metallic money, coins of gold silver copper nickel etc.
And for commerce, the ideal system doesn't involve paying someone halfway around the world, then hoping they ship you your goods. Simultaneous payment and settlement at a local business is the ideal, which metal money encourages.
It means that we can use computers for fun and games and shitposting, but not as a foundational element of our future monetary system.
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Look at this fags post history!!!
32 posts in an hour?
Bwahahahahahahhaha.
Yeah.... Nah.
Wexit simply found a topic he/she felt is finally commentworthy. It's clear from the comments that he/she is on a certain track, specifically the precious metals and currency issue.
And <ahem> posts? Only ONE post, 7 months ago.
A comment is not a post.
Then by that logic even Space Force is pointlessly compromised and we might as well just lay down and die already.
How many of their chips and how much of their steel comes from China? Did Q not speak on this topic?
If Linux were harmful to their interests in any way, you wouldn't be able to access Linux, or they would be trying to ban Linux.
However, you are practically encouraged to use it. What does that tell you?
Even if your linux is trustworthy, which I doubt very much, that leaves the crypto software, the hardware, and the encryption algorithms, plus the complex manner in which they all interact.
Keep in mind, as well, that your adversaries are the same people who infected airgapped computers in an Iranian uranium enrichment facility with a virus that propagated VIA SOUND. If they wanted to attack linux or crypto, they would. They haven't, and so what does that tell you?
They don't even go after any of these things with the vigour with which they go after guns. Why not? A threat to their currency domination is FAR more dangerous to them than guns.
I'm aware of the rough history of it, but my complaint is more fundamental. Open source doesn't protect us, because so very few of us are capable of effectively auditing this software. And trusting existing audits is just "trust the experts" in a different context. We can't trust any software, we can't trust any hardware, we can't trust the internet, none of this says "let's start a brand new form of money built on this foundation!"
I don't have any faith in any publicly available public/private key system, or other encryption system. Why would governments create and give such encryption to their adversaries, for free?
In God we Trust. Computers are electric intelligence agents.
Ok mr cabal. Youll be using digital assets in the future with everyone else...you just dont know it yet
Nah
Doubt it. I've already moved way the fuck out the city, and now I'm trying to break into the barter trade system the farmers have going on out here. I can grow various veggies, I can produce eggs, and I can make a pretty good moonshine. I'm learning to make beer and kerosene too.
I hate the antichrist.
Even if they controlled every computer, if you have a hardware wallet (e.g. Trezor, Ledger, etc.) it doesn't really matter as so far, it has shown to be hack proof (as it is an external hardware device.) It is mandatory to have a HW wallet. And security companies have performed code audits and such on the hardware wallets.
For all of us, if you need to move locations quickly, good luck bringing gold and silver with you. (And I LOVE both.) You need something more portable in this day and age. And when you want to use gold and silver in everyday ways, you have a HUGE problem of IS IT REAL? Is it filled? etc.
Holding crypto is more secure than holding precious metals and I've been in metals for decades and crypto since 2013 (and ex IT guy). I still think you need both mind you but if you do not expose yourself to crypto (just like they say to put 5% of wealth in precious metals, do the same with crypto) you are not hedging for something that appears obvious.
On top of this, companies have poured in BILLIONS of dollars into crypto. Into ETH and all the other blockchains. This is so much bigger than BTC these days.
In God we Trust regardless.
Because it comes down to supply and demand, coupled with limited supply. Those billions were spread out, wait till they put a few billion into 1 smaller or mid tier crypto. Then you will understand.
Value comes from utility. We need a neutral money on the next. Not paypal, visa, bank transfer, etc. We agree on a handful (e.g. BTC, ETH, ADA, etc.) By the way, a very small amount of crypto is store of value - like BTC. The others are full on business projects (in a way) that is decentralized and is already being used in big (and small) business.
It isn't going away, though quite a bit of it will (e.g. shit coins, no use case, scam, etc.)
Bitcoin is more finite than gold...
Assuming all bitcoins that can be issued have been issued, and all gold that can be practically reached has been dug up and is in a vault somewhere, which do you think would be easier:
modifying bitcoin to allow more coins to be issued? or
coming up with yet more gold?
In God we Trust, not in manmade computers.
It's only shown itself to be hack proof if you accept that "they" have been trying in earnest to hack it. Of course, when you consider that crypto is achieving "their" goals (it keeps money that is smart enough to recognize the petrodollar is dying from chasing gold and silver), you have to ask, "why would they hack it?"
How is any of this easier than metal coinage?
I agree right now metals are undervalued and thus require a lot of lugging around.
However, when the cabal's metals fixing schemes collapse, an ounce of gold will likely be $40k or more. At the same time, all of the bubbles around us will collapse, such that the price of a house will return to its true value, also probably around $40k or so for a middle of the road house.
One would be able to carry around enough money to buy multiple houses, in a single pocket.
In times past, gold coinage was barely used for day to day transactions. A busy city lawyer might have earned 40 gold sovereigns in a year in 19th century England.
This is only true if you trust the encryption that governments devised and gave to us for free so we could keep secrets from them. I don't, and I see no reason anyone should.
In God we trust, not in man-made software.
It's all still fruit of the poisoned tree. You can't trust any software or hardware or the internet.
No, the cabal doesn't write all the software...
You guys want to ban the carpenters from carrying saws and hammers because a murderer is on the loose and might use it to kill them.
No offense. But all you anti-crypto people are like the safety rep in a factory. You don't understand how it works or how it gets done. But you're afraid someone's going to hurt themselves so you cripple their ability to work by baning the tools they need because some idiot hurt themselves with it once.
Yeah, so stop trying to ban the blow torches.
Fur fuck sakes, I know Dave's an idiot, but the rest of us understand how to be safe around a cutting flame. Go bother the electricians.
Also what do you mean "end up in chains" in the future tense like that.
Now hold still so we can finish with the torch and you can tell the electricians to wear gloves.
I was making the analogy that the factory workers (us/you) are in chains (already trapped in a broken money system) and the millwrights (open source volunteers) are using a cutting torch (open source online collaboration to make cryptocurrency) to free us from the foot chains (fiat/central banking). But you're the safety officer (the concerned person who doesn't understand how the tools work and is afraid of them) and you're worried that someone is going to get burned so you're trying to tell everyone to only use a file because the torch is dangerous.
Yeah, the torch is dangerous. That's why we're not going to use it like an idiot.
Yes, the cabal writes all the software. Which software don't they write?
What? I don't want to ban anything
Not at all. Here we are discussing what will be "money" after the petrodollar dies. The cabal wants CDBCs. We can't decide if we want crypto or metals. I am describing the disadvantages of crypto as compared to metals.
You cannot trust any computer or any software. By contrast, you can, in God, trust.
No they don't, GitHub isn't a cabal hub of cabal employees pretending to write open source code.
If you want to understand open source freeware, watch Richard Stallman lecture on it.
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Check out its post history
Just a note. David Morgan, who created and posted the podcasts, is apparently involved with developing a gold-backed crypto.
So, you see, the "anti-crypto" moniker is neither accurate nor justified.
Look beyond the tech, and see what's going on in the larger picture. Entry point: Epstein. What does digging turn up? Did you even read ANY of the links, or did you simply get reactive to the (sloppily presented) assertions I made regarding bitcoin and crypto currencies? If so, mea culpa. But take a look. I was pretty gobsmacked when I began digging.
Where do you buy silver?
Check a local coin dealer or buy online at https://www.jmbullion.com/
There's a couple places in town that regularly have small amounts, I like to snap it up with cash.
For online purchases, I like silvergoldbull.com/ape (it's silvergoldbull.ca/ape for me).
When I'm in the States I order from JM Bullion.
And if I can't find a piece I want, apmex.com
A few other good stores, colonialacres.com, thecoinshoppe.ca, canadianpmx.com
Thanks very much for that Patriot.
The price will only go up after their system is broken. Buy what you can and stash until it’s time. Godspeed and God bless!
Tracking all financial transactions means a paper trail of corrupt government handling of money. FOLLOW THE MONEY - - - Well this technology does just that. That would create abundance right there.
Could do the same for voting. Dead grandma wouldn't be able to vote 10 times. Seems like a good trade for "Oh no, someone might know I voted for Trump!".
Imagine, we wouldn't need the House to vote for us! 😎
Correct. Its always the ones who don't understand blockchains and how they work that cry foul. 100% if the time. Ignorance of the tech, and change rooted fear. There WILL BE digital assets known currently as cryptocurrencies. Its inevitable. Fight it all you want. Its coming. I remember when credit cards first came out. I heard this exact same rhetoric. Uninformed arguments against a financial utility that in the end, opened up retail flexibility, boosted monetary velocity, ect. Now almost everyone has a card in their wallet. Either credit or debit.
And you lived long enough to witness people being prevented from spending their money (by using a card), for various, arbitrary reasons, and yet you still doubt the truth after it has smacked you right in the face. How many times in your lifetime have you been stopped from making a purchase by card for..."reasons?"
Just because most people accept the risks of digital based transactions, it does not relegate those who are opposed to it (digital) as people who are "tech ignorant" or, embrace "uniformed rhetoric."
The truth of the matter is that everything digital can be stolen, just like all other material possessions. This includes elections, and Top Secret SAP military secrets, that even a dumb bitch like Hillary Clinton can steal, and hide in her basement computer server. I can promise you that your bitcoin isn't nearly as safe as you think it is.
And this is the argument always promoted in the face of those who raise objections and point out the problems.
"You don't understand it". Which is why you should really listen to podcast #14. This series addresses that objection many times over.
However, it should be pointed out that the podcast series does not, in itself, assert that cryptocurrencies or digital currencies are inherently bad. On many occasions, the speakers affirm that CC will be part of the future.
What they discuss is the fact that bitcoin is essentially pedo-coin, and that there is a MUCH bigger gambit at play here:
the crypto-psyop which has been to divert trillions of $$ away from the precious metals and into crypto in order to create a situation where the puppet masters can hoard the real assets - gold, silver and precious metals - to themselves.
You just proved his point... Crypto was not released for that. Bitcoin was released in response to the bank bailouts of the great recession of 2008.
It's in the white paper, read it. Bitcoin was released as a "Fuck You, signed: Everyone" to the bankers.
I don't understand why you anti-crypto people don't actually just read the actual literal documentation.
You guys never read the code, you never read the postings from the development community, you never go to the source when it comes to crypto.
Who said anyone is anti-crypto? Bit of a massive leap, there.
Moreover, you've made quite a lot of assertions here. "Crypto was not released for that. Bitcoin was released in response to the bank bailouts of the great recession of 2008"
How do you know? Do you know who wrote the white paper? Do you know who they are and are not connected to? Do you imagine that the white paper could NOT be written by a cabal operative(s) and still be written to look like X when the purpose is Y? That seems very naive to me.
Seems to me that a lot of people have a vested belief system in the crypto world, including bitcoin.
That aside, I cannot say I'm anti-crypto, or that in fact, the White paper and Crypto technology comes from the Cabal. The core assertion of the discussion in the podcasts is how there is evidence to support the theory that the tech has been hijacked and utilized by Cabal figures for a specific purpose, NOT that the technology itself is somehow bad of flawed.
Speaking of development, have you looked into the relationships between Epstein and bitcoin developer Wladimir Van Der Laan? Is this not relevant to a Q board?
What about Epstein and MIT Digital Currency Initiative?
Is none of this relevant because its miracle bitcoin, the solution to the central bank cartel?
Why was Epstein so involved? Why was he funding them? Why did they accept funding from Epstein?
Or should we just ignore this? Because, you know..... its bitcoin.
You mean, like the people that were receiving funding from Epstein?
Because the white paper matches the code and the system.
It's not like a bill where they call it "Inflation reduction act" and it's about something else.
You can read the white paper and then you can read the code a and see if what the code does matches the goals outlined in the paper.
Unlike government, computer programming is deterministic. If I read a code base and compile that code base myself, I know what it does, exactly.
It literally doesn't matter who's tied to what. It matters what the system does.
Even if a mass murdering pedophile satanist psychopath was the developer. If the code is open source, and the source matches the claims, the compiled program will operate as written.
There is no hiding back doors in open source. The level of autism involved in cryptocurrency is mind blowing.
Bitcoin isn't even the most secure project and it's so secure and stable that the network will continue to operate perfectly with 49% malicious actors. It will start to glitch at 50% malicious actors and will be completely broken around 70-80% malicious actors. That's amazing for a first attempt at a cryptocurrency.
There are projects now that are what they call "multi-algorithm" chains where the system will work flawlessly with up to 75% malicious actors. That's incredible.
The current fiat system, with all its security and monitoring and IT experts starts being corrupted at ~33% malicious actors and, even then, there are open security holes.
When you compare that to physical money, it's even crazier because people have been counterfeiting and coin cutting since the beginning of money.
This is why I like programming as a hobby. You should try it if you've never done it. The computer does exactly what it is told to do as you write it, even if you're wrong.
HERES ANOTHER WAY TO THINK OF IT:
Which file in the source code for Bitcoin is problematic and worries you?
Updoodle. I like the response.
I intend to follow up on this initial post.
Personally, I don't have any issue with or concerns about crypto or blockchain. Actually, my understanding of blockchain (very limited) is that this tech can and will likely be VERY useful in the future.
The problem is not the tech, per se, even though I think it's reasonable to say there are pitfalls in crypto. The issue that should be of interest to the board is WHY Epstein's fingers were all over bitcoin, and who else. And what they are doing.
(By analogy, the problem is not the pen, or who built a pen, but rather, what a pen is used for, what the person writes with the pen.)
Also, why and what is going on with crypto in the world today. Believe me, the podcasts are worth a listen, if one has an open mind, and isn't shut down by trance or hypnosis. BUT, as one commentator points out, a lot of people following crypto are in (may be in) mass formation psychosis. They cannot see outside of what they have chosen to believe, and the narrative around crypto.
Strongly recommend #14 podcast, as a jump off.
"Silk road" is the answer to your why.
The first major financial sector to adopt crypto was the black market.
Everything, including people, were bought and sold on the black market with crypto and the early days promise of anonymity made it attractive to criminals.
Now there have been high profile convictions because crypto is anonymous, not private, and criminals use privacy coins on the black market like Monero now to protect themselves.
I'm going to press X to doubt, here.
X.
Do you know what open source is?
The whole point is that every line of source code is open to the user to read, audit and compile with their own tools and their own libraries.
This is so that the community can find back doors and bugs and fix them.
Go to GitHub, look at some projects, you can manually copy and paste and compile the code from the pages.
That's how nothing can be hidden.
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my bank manager told me today that 50% of the banks have to be cashless by 2025. This falls right in line with the ISO20022 messaging standards being adopted. Backbone of that is XRP and XLM all the way.
Oh yeah, the elite invest in real estate I guess we shouldn't do that. The elite invest in the stock market I guess we shouldn't do that. The elite sell their stocks before the market crashes I guess we shouldn't follow them on that either. The elite try to influence culture for their benefit, I guess we shouldn't do that either. Hey bud the central bankers coins are what's coming and nothing can stop that. My bank manager just told me yesterday that 50% of their branches HAVE to be cashless by 2025. And scripturally speaking we know that the cabal will use this to eliminate who they they want from the financial system. SO you would seriously advice people not to invest in something because the Satanists use it? I guess I won't buy steak and calamari because evil Satanists enjoy those things. Well as the WEF says "you will own nothing and be happy" and that's specifically because you are NOT investing the way they do. Should we rather invest into something like Tornado cash that focuses on privacy...cause the feds just arrested the guy who made that lol. You ain't beating them in the financial sector boss.
Why not just use gold and silver? Before any of this bullshit started, the bankers had to do away with gold and silver backed money. It stands to reason that re-adopting those things would end this bullshit.
I like gold, but they own more than anyone, and they've been suppressing the prices for years. JP Morgan gold traders were recently found guilty on fraud for messing with gold. Even in US history our government has forced buybacks of gold so you'd have to hide it and pray you don't get caught. And if things really got that bad then we would just be bartering resources and labor directly. So I'm gunna do my best to ride the wave with the elite as they transfer the world's resources over to blockchain. If more freedom loving people educated themselves on the things the elite do than perhaps we would have a larger piece of the pie and could be a greater force for good in the monetary sense.
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Oh, and you understand them? Have you audited the entire software? Are you capable of saying with any real confidence that the software, plus the OS, plus the hardware, plus the internet, all interacting together, are perfectly secure and backdoor free?
In fact, your superior "understanding" is nothing more than faith in the experts.
In God we Trust, not in manmade computers and software.
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Bro, you are the only one who thinks this.
Note: a comment is not a post.
OK … lemme restate … 32 COMMENTS. Lengthy COMMENTS. Not a chance in hell ONE person/human does that.
You are comparing credit cards and cryptocurrencies? With credit cards you have their money and can decide whether you want to repay it or not, with cryptos they have your money and can decide whether they want to pay it or not.
Literally: no. You need to read the source code for these projects.
You are actually promoting a literal, demonstrably wrong, lie.
That is not how it works. To fix your analogy:
With credit cards: you spend their money if they let you.
With crypto: You request to spend your credits on the network and then the miners do a bunch of work to make sure you're not a cheat, then they all cross-reference and double check each other and democratically vote on whether or not any one is a liar. Then if all these security processes are done, you spend your credits.
Lol, did you read it? And fully understand it all? And you're confident that, in interacting with the OS, the hardware, and the internet, that there are no holes or backdoors?
If you say "yes" you're a faggot liar.
It's not a complicated program....
Yeah, smart contacts added a virtual machine to the system and the virtual machine is complicated, but the actual crypto system isn't complicated.
Why do you think there's thousands of clones?
Making a working, basic crypto network is a hobby project.
It's easier than making an online video game.
Ethereum was made by a broke teenager as a hobby project in his spare time, by himself.
I'm sorry it's too hard for you/you don't know how to do it.
Enter decentralized wallets... catch up buddy.
I thought they were all decentralized from the start. Wasn't that the initial incentive to buy, separation from the establishment? Now we are creating new decentralized wallets differentiating them from the previous decentralized wallets?
There is a whole lot of history of people discussing this topic. Most people don't understand what decentralization means. Just because you have a wallet with some bitcoin doesn't mean you're contributing to decentralization. It originally referred to hashpower, which only miners contribute. Nowadays, most mining is done by pools, which are made of hundreds or thousands of individual miners running their own equipment. Miners are the only ones who matter as far as decentralization and everyone now admits bitcoin is very centralized in that regard, but like I said in another comment there are many other blockchain designs that improve on the original.
We've come to the conundrum eh?
If it's centralized, all your assets are in the control of whoever the central authority is.
If it's decentralized, it gets harder (or impossible) to verify transactions/assets.
I suppose we'll have to have some middle-ground, or mix and match appropriately for our needs.
Want to send money to your friend? Use a decentralized wallet. Want to buy off some online store? Use a centralized service.
Everything is compromise. I've been skeptical of crypto from day one. Despite that I still own crypto as I see it as a good investment asset, and a good medium of exchange.
If it all crashes down, I don't care. Hell, if my fiat crashes down, I don't care.
God's my authority, not money. Throw whatever you want at me.
That's literally not the point of cryptocurrency. It is for privacy coins like Monero. But not cryptocurrency in general which all about ensuring the correct functioning of the money system when people are actively trying to cheat it.
Also you don't send anything. You request that your credits on the ledger be moved to a different account on the ledger using an encrypted message where the key was arranged when you made your account so that no other handshakes occur and you're immune to man in the middle attacks.
Insert pic of two wojacks pointing in breathless amazement at "decentralized wallets"
Who wrote the software? Can they be trusted? Did you audit it yourself?
You have a point. Run it through that opensource nsa tool I guess
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It can be an anymore depending on how you handle it or what tokens you use.
How is Bitcoin "centralized and trackable" and "used by elite peodphiles for child trafficking" at the same time? The last thing these human traffickers want is their funds to be tracked back to them.
All of this FUD is just that, FUD. It's bullshit.
Bitcoin is decentralized in control. Bankers can't manipulate it. It's supply is fixed and cannot be manipulated. It's hardwired in the code. Anyone who seriously has been involved with crypto would know this.
He’s obviously not involved in crypto...just conspiracies.
Sounds like bitcoins dead again fellas.
It's not centralized and it's only trackable if you're lazy with it. Or mouthy.
Bad people use crypto because of this. Good people also use it to keep the government from stealing their assets. It's a double-edged sword. Humans need to get smarter before they realize most useful things in this world are also double-edged swords.
OP is a faggot.
The people trafficking children have no need to fear law enforcement or being tracked. Why would they? If they get "caught" law enforcement hoovers up the evidence and sits on it, they don't prosecute.
So have you audited the code? If not, you're trusting a handful of people to tell you the code does what it says.
Also, the cabal completely controls your OS. They wrote all the software upon which bitcoin relies. They built your computer. They control the internet. They have backdoors to all encryption. The computer arena is completely controlled by them, you will never beat them there.
Why are you even here, with that attitude?
You realize that thing you're using to type these posts is gasp a computer! Why don't you go hand out pamphlets at your local library?
Can you not see the distinction between using computers to express my opinion and shitpost, and using computers as the foundation of our next monetary system?
Which file in the source code worries you?
You're so scared of it, well point it out.
It's open source we'll, just edit it and fix it.
Which line bothers you?
You're grossly exaggerating.
Where does this notion come from that 100% of all hardware is compromised? What you are suggesting is that all encryption and any attempts to create privacy are futile and discouraging the use of technology because its "too complicated to understand". Well speak for yourself.
We have to understand what we're up against and running away from technology won't make the problem of encroaching surveillance go away. There are things you can do to keep private data safe. If there weren't, no one who uses computers would be in business. Encryption works because its based on math which can be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, but it's only as strong as its user.
Which file in the source code worries you?
That's not the relevant question. The relevant question is, how can you tell me that this software, running on your OS, running on your hardware, running on "their" internet, has zero backdoors or other intentionally baked-in and hidden exploits? Keep in mind that the people you're supposedly up against once sabotaged Iranian uranium enrichment facilities using a computer virus that bridged airgaps using SOUND. (I say "supposedly" because IMO those same people are the ones behind crypto).
The answer is, you can't.
In God we trust. Not in computers, which can't be trusted at all.
Byzantine generals problem. Byzantine fault tolerance.
Please read about these two things.
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But what asset is behind bitcoin, or any cryptocurrency? If everyone who has a cryptocurrency decided, "I want to turn mine in", what would happen? The famous tulip bulb pyramid scheme of the mid 1600s always come to my mind when cryptocurrency is discussed.
https://youtu.be/kAdDMv1eed8
Keep in mind that the banking cartels must be destroyed. There will need to be a new system that is DECENTRALIZED… the debate is really over with DEFI.
DeFi is the way.
This. Most "cryptocurrencies" in their current state are trash. The focus needs to shift from "cryptocurrency" to DECENTRALIZATION. Our problem we have today is so much power/control has been centralized to 0.00001% of the human population. They control us on every front from banking, shopping, media, social media, stock market, everything. NFT technology, along with other decentralized technology can revolutionize many industries, and return POWER TO THE PEOPLE.
As for currency itself, I personally am not a fan of something such as bitcoin for a widely adopted currency. Don't get me wrong, it's 10x better than our current option being the US Dollar (fiat currency), but I am still not a fan of it not being backed by anything (i.e. gold/silver). Luckily we have gold-backed cryptocurrencies gaining in popularity.
And yes I am very much aware... at the end of the day, physical items are king. Land, Gold, Silver, Guns, Ammo, etc.
All agreed. The future of DeFi is Etherium L2.
Obviously written by someone who hasn’t taken the time to learn about blockchains/crypto.
Can’t be “frozen.” SMH
Oh? Expand your thinking.
So, if the net is shut down, if the power is turned off, how do you use or utilize the crypto?
If other people's computers - a merchant, a bank, an exchange - are disconnected or shut down, how do you use the crypto?
The simple fact is that crypto 100% relies on electricity and electrical systems. These can be shut down. Just because you haven't personally experienced it yet, doesn't mean it cannot happen. It can.
That's the only sense in which the expression "frozen" is being used here.
It's the same if you have a Tesla. If they shut down the grid, or you cannot otherwise recharge it, you're fooked. It's a simple fact.
Solar roof and someday modular small home reactor. Gas pumps won’t work without power but I can charge my stuff. But that aside. An asteroid could hit too. At some point you’ve got to just accept limitations. For instance with what gold coin can you buy milk at the grocery store with no power? Got to a farmer? How do you get there and what if your coin is worth 100 gallons but you just need one. I could see a trust based IOU system as a possible solve. You can also print on paper a BTC wallet and give it to someone. Too expensive for small transactions now but that will change with better chains.
Plenty of ways to use Bitcoin without the Internet. Bitcoin does not require any particular network protocol. You can transmit and receive over mesh networks, HAM radio, handwritten notes, even carrier pigeon. In the event of catastrophic disaster the network can adjust to accommodate the available communication channels.
Only if you leave it on an exchange!
Just because that feature of the software hasn't been revealed yet...
It's an extremely complicated system involving the software, the OS, the hardware, and the internet. I have no specific concerns, rather my concern is that none of us would ever be able to determine if there was a backdoor.
Metal money does not have this problem.
Bank price manipulation is solved in the same way with metals as it is with crypto: hold it yourself.
Of course, holding metals yourself, securely, is far easier than holding crypto yourself, securely.
Respect for an honest crypto fan. The rest of the crypto people reported me to mods lol.
Get silver though, that’s where this is headed. Shadilay!
You're wrong about Bitcoin; first of all Bitcoin never claimed to be anonymous and untraceable, in-fact it claims the exact opposite in the white-paper. It's traceable by design. You can now operate with other cryptocurrencies however (e.g. ZKSync Ethereum) which are truly untraceable due to the nature of ZKProofs, and that's a math proof of untracability, not just a speculation, it is not wrong.
Bitcoin is a middle finger to the establishment and cabal. Bitcoin throws a wrench in their plans which is why they are desparate to offset it within their own digital currencies (note: digital, not crypto, there is a huge difference, cryptocurrencies can't be controlled).
Also Bitcoin is not centralized; I don't know why you made that claim and then offered nothing to back it up. Bitcoin is fully decentralized, I myself run my own node and process my own transactions and distribute them to the peer-to-peer network, so what you've claimed is just patently wrong.
They're not desperate to stop people buying crypto at all. If they were, they'd be doing to it as they're doing to gold and silver and now nickel.
They are artificially increasing supply by selling IOUs. Basically like fractional reserves. If everyone holds their coins they can’t do that with crypto. Guess those “funds” are their attempt.
Time will tell whether what you describe turns out to be their attempt to keep people away from crypto, or just a bunch of rothschild wannabes trying to make their fortune off crypto like the roths did off gold.
Nor is anyone trying, which is the point.
Yes, they could stop you from buying bitcoin, in the same way they stop people buying gold and silver. They could sell as many paper bitcoins (bitcoin futures) as needed to keep the price of bitcoins so low that there's no gains to be had.
They can obviously do this, because they do it for gold, silver, nickel, and virtually every other commodity.
So, why haven't they?
(Because they WANT you to spend your money on meta-tier crypto "currency" that does them no harm at all, instead of helping jack up the price of gold and silver and revealing their fiat lie to the world).
The number will not dwindle as more normies adopt crypto. It will grow exponentially... if "they" want it to. So far, it seems their appetite for papering over crypto is limited to causing busts and booms (which they obviously profit greatly off of).
You're correct, but the marketing rhetoric in crypto does not promote self-custody. Most newbies don't even know what that means. They think their exchange account is the same as their brokerage account and covered by the same protections as investment accounts.
The problem with your argument is that self custody is too complicated for normies, and if you want crypto to be money, normies will be using it.
Metal money does not have this problem.
All bitcoin holders are bitcoin salesmen. You all take it way too personally when people disagree with your vision.
In God we trust, not in man made computers and software.
Offered nothing to back it up?
So, you listened to the series of podcasts and vetted all the arguments and discussion?
The point of the post it to introduce the podcast. The main points of the post being:
One, the podcasts generated a view that I've not seen before, and which to me provide an expansive thinking framework that puts the entire bitcoin thing in a wholly different and more enlightening perspective.
Two, that Epstein's stains (and the stains of his network) ALL OVER bitcoin, for a reason.
Three, that there are pitfalls in digital currencies that many ignore and refuse to address.
The point of the post is not to say that crypto tech is inherently bad.
I'm certainly no expert or even highly informed in this area. However, it seems that many of the objections raised in the comment section are directly addressed and discussed in the podcast series, although the commentators appear to have NO knowledge of the podcast content.
Seems curious to me that even though No. 2, Epstein (and hence his controllers) are clearly all over Bitcoin, many appear to choose to ignore this fact, because they love the coin. (not saying that's you)
I work in the blockchain space for a living (hence my username), so I don't need to listen to the podcast, I have a master-level understanding of how cryptocurrencies work and much of what you said is not only false but indicates a lack of understanding of the subject matter because some of your statements are just incompatible in the context of what a crypto based system is.
Additionally, sorry if this comment comes off as rude, that's not my intent; I just want to be clear about my qualification to talk on this. I understand your skepticism towards crypto but the community needs to know that crypto is a God-send against corruption, the cabal fears it more than anything, I promise, it is the only asset on this Earth they can't control, because no matter how much authority you have, you can't change the laws of math.
Thanks for the comment, Elliptical. Thanks for a reasonably articulated and readable reply.
I'm pretty much Ok with being called out for any misrepresentations my post has made. I'm not highly educated in this field, and for sure, most statements I made could certainly be improved by knowledge and nuance.
Skepticism towards crypto? Hmmm... One thing I find very interesting, and telling, is the polarity in the nature of responses to the post. As I stated in the post itself:
"There have been many conflicting views, like "cryptos will liberate everyone from the central banking system" to "crypto is the beast system that will be used to enslave humanity" etc."
It's this polarizing effect that has puzzled me for quite a long time. The podcast series has illuminated this for me to a great extent. And, as the presenters in the podcast are often at pains to emphasize, they "are not anti-crypto. In fact, (we) believe crypto and blockchain tech are definitely going to be part of the future...."
What I think you've missed here is, and it's very probably because of the polarizing affect of the crypto/bitcoin topic, is the actual focus of the post: How deeply Epstein was involved with the developers, and the promotion, of bitcoin.
I certainly bear some responsibility for that, because the way I wrote the post gave plenty of fodder to cryptolovers to react against and come out swinging "hey, no, no , and no!", all while ignoring the title and focus of the post: Epstein's deep and intimate involvement with bitcoin.
Whether crypto is a God-send or not, that's a lower level issue. For me, the (possibly poorly expressed) focus of the post is, what is happening on the levels above that? Not :what are the pros and cons of the blockchain technology, but rather: is the cabal involved and using bitcoin and the entire crypto thing for some purpose? If so, what? Why?
God created all things wonderful, and good. Evil ever seeks to hijack, abuse, steal and manipulate God's creations for it's evil goals.
On a basic level, I am of the broad (and yet still relatively uninformed) opinion that (very, very likely) blockchain tech and (possibly) cryptos are a great technological development that can significantly serve humanity in our pursuit of God's ideals, BUT that also, the Cabal is doing things with this tech and arena that do NOT serve God, or us, and which abuses it.
It's that second point that I think is most discuss-worthy, not the former. There is (most likely) a plethora of places where the first part can be discussed, but the relevance of the topic to this board is the second part. And, in this area, your expertise, if you wish to frame it as that (and that's fine with me) is only partly useful.
in short, the real issues are NOT the technology and it's pros and cons, but rather, what the Cabal is doing in this context, by who, when and what.
And that is the focus of the podcasts, by the way. It's NOT a technical discussion of the technology. It's a look at a bigger picture.
It would likely challenge some of your ideas, but I still think its very worthy of a listen.
Final note
There are experts in every field. Expert car salesmen, expert stock traders, expert physicians. None of that expertise really helps them when dealing with the Cabal and the agenda to enslave us. That expertise can be utilized in fighting the Cabal, but it can, and more often is, utilized by the Cabal to keep those people shut down safe in their 'expert knowledge', without questioning the bigger picture.
I have a doctor I've been seeing for years. I really like him, he is very thorough and knowledgeable about his work as a doctor taking care of my health, and he is sincere in that area. But he has no idea about the C19 scam, is oblivious to this, and is still very mired deep in the illusion. IN fact, his expertise has become a massive barrier to his waking up to it, because of all the investment he has made in working in that space for a living..... When I asked, early on in 2021, if any of his other patients are requesting HCQ, he scoffed, and said none of his patients are that stupid!
I don't really question is mastery of the (field) he has (even though I believe allopathic medicine has a LOT to be desired). But it's clear his knowledge has become a barrier to him being able to break out of the matrix, and look at the larger picture.
I think it would take me too long to reply to every part you wrote; but I want to re-iterate one piece of crypto that is definitively true regardless of if I am blind by my knowledge or not, crypto can not be controlled. It is decentralized. No one has any authority to control it, not even its [unknown] creator. This is similar to how math can't be controller; if Isaac Newton declared "1+1=3 from now on" it wouldn't matter, he has no authority to change the laws of math; no one has authority to change the laws of a decentralized protocol.
I am sure Epstein was involved with lots of things, the man was evil but he was also a business man; if he invested a lot in a tech stock should we write-off that tech company forever just because one evil person was interested in personal-gain from it? I think using metrics like that as a litmus test for whether something is good or not is a dangerous fallacy.
thanks,
I think you missed a lot of points, and jumped to some mistaken conclusions.
Firstly, there are different forms of centralization. Any crypto that uses a blockchain is invariably centralized in that blockchain. 100% The fact that the blockchain is distributed does not decentralize it; it simply decentralizes control of it. This fact is borne out by the reality that if you have a copy of the ledger, you have a copy of ALL the ledgers.
If someone wants to get the entire transaction history of bitcoin, they only need ONE copy of the blockchain. That's centralized. That they cannot alter it unilaterally is an entirely different matter. The information is centralized, even if the ability to shape that information is not. Am I wrong here? I don't see how.
"should we write-off that tech company forever just because ...."
Where did anyone say to write off a tech company, because one evil person? No one is using or even suggesting to use that litmus test. You've missed the point.
The questions here are: why was Epstein so involved? How was he involved? Is he the only 'evil person' involved here?
I mean, you are on a Q board. You should really be asking questions, and digging, and working out what is going on behind the scenes, rather than defending a particular technology because you have a powerful bias towards it. Don't you think?
This seems rather a naive comment to me. (no offense intended). Do you think that Epstein was pedo and he had a thing for young girls, and that was his hobby, but in the rest of his life, he was just another businessman out to make some bucks?
You don't think Epstein was an operation, working at the highest levels for the Cabal in blackmailing, etc? And, when he had a 'business interest', it was all just legit, because he's a businessman? Why did people doing the bitcoin development CONTINUE to receive funding from Epstein even after he was convicted on sexual predator charges? Does that not at a minimum suggest something stinks?
Same with JP Morgan. Epstein had a long term relationship with JP Morgan bank, which has at least 3 felony convictions against it, paid billions in penalties, and yet, continued to court Epstein.
“When Jeffrey Epstein was serving time in Florida for soliciting prostitution from a minor, he got a surprising visitor: James E. Staley, a top JPMorgan Chase executive and one of the highest-ranking figures on Wall Street.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/22/business/jeffrey-epstein-business-wall-street.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20190811034518/https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/08/business/jeffrey-epstein-jpmorgan.html
Now, JP Morgan execs have just been convicted of operating manipulation schemes targeting gold and silver. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-jp-morgan-traders-convicted-fraud-attempted-price-manipulation-and-spoofing-multi-year
Interesting, no?
What about the others involved in bitcoin development, like Joichi Ito?
The point here is certainly not to say that crypto is bad, or even that bitcoin is bad. The point here is, what is going on? is there something going on behind the scenes? If so, what? Who? etc.
Ignoring or refusing to look at this area because of a bias and hope towards crypto or bitcoin is a normie-like response, not an anon response. IMO.
You’re talking about centralization of information. When people say “decentralization” they are typically talking about decentralization of power. I don’t personally consider centralization of information a threat.
Blockchains aren’t inherently public; for example Monero uses Loop Ring Signatures to obfuscate transaction records, when used properly, no one can track transactions along that blockchain.
Owning lots of Bitcoin does not give you any extra control over Bitcoin. They can't control it, does not matter how much they accumulate
Linking Epstein to Bitcoin is the newest FUD attempt I guess?
Is "Epstein connections" now the new Hitler comparisons into every argument to end the discussion?
Lol, you want to see FUD? Look what they're doing to silver and gold: price manipulation that completely discourages anyone from buying.
Yes, and you can see its targeted at people who overvalue "connections" between X and Y.
Epstein won the lottery twice.
Have watched several hours of the Crypto series. Quite enlightening, especially of the shadowy figures that have moved in on Bitcoin.
Shadowy figures? Like the ones that used, Fiat money, Metals, Real Estate, private lending? and all the ways that you can Launder money or assets? you mean that?
Probably. Is this a competition?
Cabal does what Cabal does.
¿ Monero ¿
We were warned years ago that bitcoin would be destroyed and that it was and is the primary way that human trafficking funds are exchanged. Not surprising Epstein had his fingers in that pie.
U.S. dollars are used for criminal activity more than anything else, by far.
This. Traffickers don't want any digital trail
Why not? Lol, do you think Epstein tier traffickers fear law enforcement?
Uh no. People trying to cover their tracks would never use Bitcoin as it is a public ledger.
I thought you shitcoiners say it is an asset? Is it an asset or a ledger? It can't be both. Gold in my safe is an asset, my land and house are assets. Gold and real estate ETFs are ledgers.
It can be both. Thats part of what makes it unique.
Bitcoin changes everything.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFMe-iMW0gQ
They tried all kinds of destruction methods to destroy Bitcoin, but the technology as described in the white paper still exist in the form of Bitcoin Cash (bch).
To all the downvoters. Try it, use it. You will find that BCH is true to what Bitcoin once was in every sense of the word. I use crypto multiple times a week (mostly BCH bit a few others such as XMR every now and then as well) and Bitcoin Cash performs multitudes better than many "cryptos" out there today.
Good to find OG Bitcoiners in the wild.
But then again we are at the great awakening, so clever people should be expected.
I’m out of the loop, can someone please explain to me how Bitcoin has changed?
Digital =/= digital. Centralized digital fiat would be freezable, Bitcoin is not. And of course TPTB would try to seize as much influence and control over crypto as possible, as fiat will die. For them it is quite literally a matter of life and death and another facet of their dying struggle.
Unless you've completely audited the software yourself, you can't know this.
This is just another way of saying "trust the experts." They're all compromised.
An interesting catch-22 you have there. Anyone able to understand it enough to audit it completely is an “expert”, and you can’t trust “experts”. Better get to work then, my guy.
It's only a catch 22 if you assume we HAVE to use computer money. The fact is, crypto is way too hard for the average user to figure out, and so in addition to trusting the experts who wrote all the software, they will also have to trust intermediaries to keep their cryptos safe for them.
Of course, if we just had metallic money again, none of this is a concern. Which is why that's where we're headed after the crash.
If the internet is shut down, or if electricity is shut off, can you trade or buy with bitcoin? I don't think so.
You're talking about cataclysmic events that would (at least temporarily) wipe out your fiat. And don't even try to pretend that you have your entire net worth in gold and silver coins.
Either way, Bitcoin, unlike fiat banking, would keep working with satellites, radio, solar.
"And don't even try to pretend that you have your entire net worth in gold and silver coins."
I don't think anyone seriously proposes keeping one's "entire net worth" in precious metals -- only enough serve as insulation against emergencies.
Even if gold and silver were money again, no one would keep their entire net worth in it, because then they'd be homeless people with no car but a bag of silver.
Dragonhoard crib does seem appealing tho.
Might be a bit nerve wracking. If I had a hoard, I'd bury it.
This is an argument against fiat and bitcoin, and for gold and silver.
They are already developing more ways of transferring bitcoin offline.
Offline paper wallets have been a thing since day 1.
Non sequitar. Bitcoin being permissionless means it removes the state's ability to control via freezing assets. Turning off the electricity or internet globally would be a desperate move they could only do once, and as soon as they turn it back on, Bitcoin would continue.
It won't be long until every single person needs a real life ID to go online like in China. They can turn off YOUR internet just fine.
If the internet and power goes out, nearly everything will shut down. Because cashiers can't do math and employers can't trust employees or customers not to rob them blind. Also no business is going to take your gold or silver because they cant without a cash transaction for said gold or silver for tax reason. They can accept your coins at face value, but I'm sure you're not stupid enough to do that trade.
The point being?
New learnings everyday. That’s why I love this community. Thank you.
Holy shit OP where did you copy-pasta this from? The World Economic Forum? There are SO MANY critical errors in this assessment that it's clear you're either a full blown cabal shill or mildly retarded. Either way, OP is definitely a faggot.
Kek. Let's go with mildly retarded.
Copy pasta? OK. How about this. Throw everything out except the core premise: the deep ties that Epstein has with bitcoin, with developers, and the bigwigs who dominate bitcoin world.
Now, go. Try to write some substance?
"Bitcoin is completely centralized in the blockchain; every single action and transaction is recorded and is in fact traceable."
Two things.
This is wrong. Yes transactions are kept in the ledger (blockchain) but the ledger itself is distributed. It is not kept in one place or managed by one entity. The way this was worded would lead one to believe that it is.
Transactions are recorded. Yes they are, by design. Every transaction is recorded in a distributed ledger so no one can fraudulently edit the ledger to to gain coin or to cover up other shenanigans. It is publicly auditable by anyone. This is the design.
It is entirely possible to use bitcoin anonymously. There are other coins that do a better job at this but bitcoin wasn't designed with anonymity in mind.
Thanks for the response.
It IS centralized in the blockchain, tho, isn't it? in the ledger. The ledger is ONE ledger, whether it is distributed or not. Wanna find out ALL the facts and details? Go to the ledger.
Compare this with, for example, cash or precious metals. Cannot trace who paid what where with who when. none of that. Which is exactly why the Globalistas (and the communists, too) want to do away with a cash society, and make EVERYTHING digital (and traceable).
Who loves tracking stuff? Who loves this approach? Why are the PTWB so eager to install their own digital currencies, now that bitcoin and other cryptos have cracked open the arena? These are relevant questions, imo.
Anonymous is only anonymous until they dig and track you down. Ultimate trackability exists in the blockchain, so the 'anonymous' is superficial, I would say. It's there until it isn't.
As far as I can see...
Updoodle for a thoughtful and focused comment!
I agree on cash and metals as those are anonymous and non-traceable, well mostly anyways. I mean between cameras and people not being able to shut up "they" can find out a lot just by asking. But your point stands. The problem is when you have a lot of metals. How do you cross borders with it? Crypto solves that problem.
I am not some big crypto enthusiast or defender, I do like that it exists and is an option though. It does solve some issues though.
As for anonymity...
If I post a transaction ID here in this post, can you tell me my real name? Or anything about me?
If I'm an agency that wants to know, I'm pretty sure I can.
That's where I am not sure. There are a lot of darknet markets that have been running for many years. Not silk road either, that guy was an idiot. These guys seem to be able to evade detection and there are definitely agencies that want to know.
I am just saying. If someone REALLY wants to be anonymous, I think they can. I think it is exceptionally difficult though.
"Compare this with, for example, cash or precious metals. Cannot trace who paid what where with who when. none of that."
Your absolutest statement isn't absolute, now is it?
"Ultimate trackability exists in the blockchain, so the 'anonymous' is superficial, I would say. It's there until it isn't."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOyC6OB6ezA&list=PLsSYUeVwrHBnAUre2G_LYDsdo-tD0ov-y
Soz. Don't make absolute statements. To make an absolute statement, one would have to be absolute.
But thanks for the monaro link.
The world economic forum is pushing cryptocurrencies, I would definitely follow their lead/ sarc
The number of people who've fallen for the crypto scam is disheartening.
Yeah, "THEIR" centrally controlled crypto currencies.
Does everyone know what the first purchase was using bitcoin? A pizza. SSSSSSSSSSooooooo...what kind of pizza?
Papa John's.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CJEoASUMZbI&list=LLZS0-jhYKM6OmLtEo6l_kgg&index=810
You're missing the keystone: Brock Pierce
Yes we are all “luddites”, pray your social credit score doesn’t piss anyone off!
"Crypto currencies, and specifically the flagship Bitcoin, have the image of being anonymous and decentralized."
Of course it's not anonymous. Bitcoin never implemented Ring Signatures. That's ONE reason why it's a garbage coin. The problem is investors don't know shit about crypto so it wont die.
"Explored in the podcast: Is Tether, touted as an asset-backed stable coin, really based on Evergrande paper debt?"
Tether is a scam. They will cause the next big crash in crypto.
"emerged just as Obama rose to the presidency"
You could say the same thing about Minute Men. Crypto can be a solution to growing authoritarian governments. If you want to flee one country to another, good luck getting your gold, silver, jewels, or cash across borders. Hell good luck not getting your cash seized by the highway patrol.
"introduction of centralized digital currencies that "can be frozen" at the drop of a hat."
Garbage digital currencies and exchanges, yes. Crypto that uses ring signatures, no. If you're trying to convert crypto into cash or goods through a Know Your Customer exchange or store, then you de-anonymize yourself. There are ways to avoid that but it takes effort.
You also need to think about it from a couple different points of view.
As a currency, it sucks because: it is not widely used, it is not free from fraud/manipulation, and its value fluctuates wildly. How would prices for everyday items keep track with 24/7 volatility?
As an investment, its slightly better, but still sucks: what do you actually own? lines of code. The only value it has is because there is a market for it.
It has a lot of novel ideas (blockchain, ability to "mine" it, open source for the most part) but i have always thought that bitcoin is just the first, it wont be the best or last.
Also, you have to wonder: what if these bitcoin billionaires decide to cash out? Crash, goodbye. Plus: is there even enough capital in these exchanges to cover that?
I remember reading that somewhere out there, a hefty chunk of bitcoin (I want to say 40-45%) is held in less than 12 individual wallets.
Admitting crypto is money means admitting "they" are richer than we are and always will be.
If you can’t touch it or hold it in your hand it’s not real, period! Next make sure you know the difference between money (real) and currency (fake).
I can't hold your comment in my hand, is your argument not real? Digital assets are real, just because you can say something doesn't mean it's true.
Digital assets = currency, not money. IMO, they are as fictitious as a paper bill.
So what's your opinion on the digital asset of the ownership of the domain name 'greatawakening.win' — is it fictitious and worthless? Digital assets are real and valuable regardless of if you want them to be.
It’s worthless to me and a great many others. I imagine it might be worth something to someone. Like to one of PT Barnum’s previous customers maybe.
It's like a license at best. If this site were upsetting the cabal, they'd DDOS it, they'd freeze the owners' banks, they'd take over the ownership and mod positions, and more.
Which is where decentralization technology comes in. What if the server hosting was decentralized, what if the domain purchase/ownership was decentralized, what if the payment to secure the domain and hosting was decentralized. That is what the Cabal fears most - decentralization. It will kill their ability to suppress, freeze, control, alter, shut down, manipulate, blackmail, etc.
Bittorrent was already decentralized. They created a bunch of torts for "pirating" IP and the industry sent privateers after everyone who downloaded their content.
Crypto has "unstoppable domains" on Ethereum (e.g. ENS) which can not be seized. Crypto based assets are the only digital assets you can truly own.
Digital assets are real ponzis.
FTFY.
Even domain names.
What a stupid take... domain names are ponzi schemes? Lol...
Exactly. What happens when the power goes out? If you can't secure it close to your nutsack, then you don't really "have" it now do you?
It's about as real as a wheelbarrow full of fiat when hyperinflation happens. Or coins made with low value metals. Money is a system of value transaction that falls apart when you erode the foundations of it. Otherwise, it's just paper or some kind of metal sellable for industrial use.
Is a ledger real? What if we made that ledger exist on a network that is decentralized from governments and multinational corporations? Youve gotta get out of the “I need to be able to hold it in my hand or its not worth a damn” mindset if youre going to be apart of the future.
You are under the illusion that it’s not controlled and playing right into their hands. The song of the piper has you.
Ok bud!
You've got to get out of the "I can use computers with OSes and software written by the cabal, hardware produced by the cabal, on an internet controlled by the cabal, to beat the cabal" mindset.
They created bitcoin right after the sub prime mortgage crisis to divert funds away from gold and silver. If crypto people had just been buying metals all along, the supply would already be exhausted and we'd be in the gamma squeeze of the millennium. Instead, you all chased a bubble and now they're going to fleece you as crypto goes up a bit, down a lot, up a bit, down a lot, until finally you are all dispelled of this idea that you can beat them using your computer.
Everything you said just shows how little you know about crypto.
Everything you just said shows how much unwarranted trust you place in the thinking machines the cabal designed, produced, and gave to you.
If computers could hurt them, they'd be trying to restrict them like guns, or suppress interest in them like gold and silver. Instead, you're free to buy as many computers as you like, you're free to encrypt as many files as you'd like using their algorithms, and you're free to sink as much of your energies into crypto as you wish.
Ok bud
Ok computer.
The problem is not with digitization of data or property, the problem is the (absent) legal framework which should forbid state tyranny. Digitization is inevitable as we move further into high-tech future, but we should make sure that future is not a tyrannical one.
My bet is bitcoin is tied into some type of central system and able to track all incoming and outgoing transactions. And the fact that they say your bitcoin address is anonymous is completely bogus.
So what I think is when you conduct a transaction it logs your IP address any info required to try and track you.
Knowing this creep it is my bet Obama is a key player in bitcoin and what kind of future it will provide?
I remember Trump saying on some interview that Bitcoin is a scam...
The ability of the blockchain to record every transaction is a design feature not at all hidden. It can't be deleted, tampered with or altered as it is spread across the world and self validates any changes/additions. Potentially scary for us, but also potentially scary for governments/elites no?
A bitcoin wallet address can still be truly anonymous, but of course you leave an IP trail of anything you do on the internet - this can be evaded with some security knowledge however, so it can be anonymous with some effort
The bitcoin blockchain is the most secure database in the world. We should be securing our elections with it.
No we should just use paper ballots. And metal for money.
Fuckin' A rights bud.
By the way, all money is digital.
This is partially true … but more true than not. The banks dont have greenbacks inequal amounts of deposits. Ergo, its a fiat ledger. Your savings and checking accounts are exactly that … digital ledgers. Nothing backing it up other than good faith. Period. Thats why the Chinese are in a massive fuking quandary. People started to reduce their digital ledgers and the banks didnt have the assets (all part of that Evergrand disaster). The PRC put tanks in front if banks to scare people off. Some havent had access to thier accounts since April.
Totally agree, it is ridiculous that election fraud is even possible in 2022
Right with some effort yes but not all and scary indeed...
The whole point of the blockchain has nothing to do with being tracked or not. It is a way for non-reversible transactional commitments to take place. This is huge, because it means real world consequences for transactions, with real world proof of work standing behind. This is exactly why Michael Saylor keeps pounding the table that Bitcoin = digital energy, period. Once that concept sinks in, everything changes.
You dont have to bet anything...Bitcoin was intentionally created to be a transparent public ledger. Its not annonymous and never claimed it was. Read the white paper. Its not a coincidence that it came out around when Obama took office because Bitcoin was created as a direct response to the 2008 crash and all the problems that Satoshi saw with centralized FIAT currency.
You can talk to a hundred different "crypto experts" and get a 100 different opinions. Many directly opposing.
Crypto posts here are about as productive as FE Vs. RE.
If you feel there is LOTS to dig here, than have at it. I think the many, if not majority, here are set in their feeling on BTC/Crypto.
I buy some BTC here and there, and if it falls under $20k again I'll buy some more. Not a bad idea to have along with physical gold & silver. So what we have a power/internet outage, not like it'll be for good. Word of advice, if you buy crypto, move it offline to a wallet, don't leave it on an exchange!
You could probably strip everything in my post away but leave the core theme: the massive web of connections around Epstein and bitcoin. Everything else is incidental, and argumentative (and maybe even wrong).
What's curious is that if ANY other connection with Epstein was posted on the board, people would have at it with Gusto. In this case, because it's bitcoin, not one single comment has addressed this issue. That's kinda interesting, I would say.
Any currency that you can lose access to when the power is out or the internet is down is not useful.
If you want to screw the banks, stop using credit cards and bank accounts, and go pure cash. Better yet, use precious metals or barter. When you get your paycheck, keep just enough in the bank to pay your bills. Withdraw the rest.
It sounds ridiculous, but it is not. In my town, a lot of businesses don't even take checks or credit cards -- cash only. And a lot of people would prefer bartering to cash sales.
I think their premise is very well laid out. Worthy of a listen.
Check out: graphcommons.com, look for Epstein network.
Just keep in mind a link does mean nothing. It does not go into the nature of relations. That is something you can perform with osint research.
While OP uses the issues Canadians had when banks stopped withdrawal of their money as a concern for crypto when in actuality crypto was the saving grace to those truckers because they could not stop the truckers receiving crypto to pay their bills
What? They only froze a few hundred accounts, and the people affected were carried by their neighbours and friends. If they'd been paid crypto, they'd still have to put the money into their account to pay their bills, but their accounts were frozen.
Do you have any sauce on this at all?
Finally this gets a sticky, last several times I brought up the Crypto Conspiracy podcast just got crickets.
I feel your pain.
(hehe. Shhhh. Don't tell anyone. I messaged the mods, and asked if this was stickworthy)
Thinking about now revisiting the podcasts, and doing a series of posts based on the details of what they cover. Cos a LOT of pedes aren't gonna even go to the podcasts <yet>, which was <ahem. probably one of the main points of the post!
Hang loose, fren.
Something about electronic currency does not settle well with me. On the other hand, I know have have precious metals and can go look at the stack of them.
It shouldn't sit well with you. They made the software, they wrote the OS, they made the hardware, they control the internet, they have backdoors for all encryption that they gave to the world for free (duh). You can't trust any computer at all.
Thanks for the info and the conversations started.
Look for decentralized mixers and/or buy crypto from other people in person with cash.
Completely false. This is such a stupidly ignorant statement it makes me want to scream because I see it again and again and it usually falls on deaf ears. The validation of transactions is decided by decentralized groups that process blockchain transactions (called mining pools). Every block, a random sequence of characters is set out and the mining pool that correctly guesses it gets to process the transaction, take the fees, and get some new bitcoin that is minted to the system. The mining pool then distributes the tokens to the individual mining computers that contributed in the mining pool based on their % of computing power contributed to the mining pool.
Bitcoin being centralized would need a mining pool that contributes over 50% of the coputing power of the Bitcoin blockchain, this would give it the power to decide what the ledger looks like (but the change would show up from previous offline ledgers saved and a mining pool contributing over 51% computing power is publicly visible for everyone to see).
Here's an article about the mining pool distribution.
https://news.bitcoin.com/13233-blocks-found-by-16-pools-a-look-at-the-top-bitcoin-mining-pools-in-q1-2022/
That is not centralization, that is privacy.
Certain bitcoin holders that have publicly linked their wallet addresses to themselves.
You can't take Bitcoin down, you would literally have to control the internet of every country and every individual computer in the world. If at least one or 2 people are running a Bitcoin node anywhere in the world, the Bitcoin network will still be up. There will always be some countries that don't allow Bitcoin even if the majority do because those countries that make it legal gain some kind of edge over the other countries in terms of people conducting business there.
Yes but they have not been able to stop people mining bitcoin there. Not even China has been able to stop this.
Oh you're going to get ALL governments to agree on something 100%? Bullshit, too much benefit to go against the grain if many governments do decide to bans crypto. People and business will move to a country where the money is more secure AND Bitcoin is pretty damn secure money. Not a single hack in its whole history. (Ethereum has a terrible history, it is not secure. Most crypto hacks you hear about have Ethereum involved in some way because it's programming language is not a secure way of running things)
It may not happen overnight but eventually the better more efficient tech wins out and central bank digital currencies is the worst tech and the least efficient. The only reason countries like the US are pushing Central Bank Digital Currencies is they need to abolish cash and force negative interest rates on the public in order to keep their debt system from collapsing and kicking the problem down the road. UNDER DIGITAL CURRENCIES, YOU WILL BE FINED AND PUNISHED FOR SAVING YOUR MONEY AND NOT SPENDING IT IMMEDIATELY.
From the early 2000s, I have always said that any digital money is Vaporware.
Old maxims are timeless:
'Nine tenths of the law is possession.'
“The desire of gold is not for gold. It is for the means of freedom and benefit” – Ralph Waldo Emerson
“The desire for gold is the most universal and deeply rooted commercial instinct of the human race” – Gerald M. Loeb
“Commodities such as gold and silver have a world market that transcends national borders, politics, religions, and race. A person may not like someone else’s religion, but he’ll accept his gold”
“Gold medals aren’t really made of gold. They’re made of sweat, determination and a hard to find alloy called guts.”
304 comments! Cool. Let's discuss....
PSA: Bitcoin is not a globalist central bank digital currency. It is the antidote.
.... is the narrative. Now, who what and where is this narrative being generated?
Perhaps we might ask Jeffrey Epstein? Oh, I forgot. He <didn't> killed himself.
You guys are all buying XRP right?
You throw babies out with bath water too?
For some reason, I always had the idea bitcoin was released by white hats around Obama's first appearance to eventually get prepared for Trump's entrance in 2016.