But wait, I thought we were told the Ruskies dropped fuel on it, then with some super duper flying skills, hit the rear prop (of course every fast jet pilot has these skills, just enough that it doesn't destroy the aircraft, sigh) and it made a controlled landing into the drink!
Dumping fuel and tea-bagging are probably part of a carefully crafted message. Especially over the Black sea, cleverly scheduled one day before the Black Hawks humilliated the Bruins. 3 to 6. The return signal. I wonder what was said...
Yeah I've seen a version of it where conveniently the screen goes off just as the Su27 does another pass, then the next frames are a prop bent over, still not buying it though, what did the Su27 hit it with, it's wing? The forces involved again would do much more damage imo.
Jettison fuel activation dumps juge amounts of fuel in a short time. The drone propeller is not designed to hit that dense of material at speed. The heavy fuel stream over the props killed the drone. Pretty clever actually. We shoulda seen that coming... If it was a jet, it would have drowned.
Did you build it? The designers would be stupid to not put at least basic cameras and signals recon on the LARGEST satellite constellation by far ever created. Expand your thinking.
I didn't build it, but I was involved in other satellite programs. Starlink is a communication system, not a surveillance system. No way would they put on a camera for a function it is not intended to perform. Nor would the camera be adequate for any meaningful photography (satellite too small to afford the size and weight of the necessary optics). You don't know anything about surveillance or reconnaissance systems, so expand your knowledge before you presume to think about it.
The region has so much radar coverage, this isn't even a need. These are easily tracked, with little public outrage in having them "crash". You can be certain the west use them very aggressively.
The amount of war mongering for nukes on that thread is frightening. I have never seen that level kneepadding for another country in all my life. These sheep are willing to end the world as we know it all for muh Ukraine.
Their only response when called out for it, is to call you a Russian troll. They think that if we lob a nuke at Russian that they will cower and run. They don’t understand that when one nuke flies they all fly.
May as well move everyone advocating for war both kinetic and nuclear on to a small island with a large sheer metal ring around it and give them enough weapons and ammunition to war amongst themselves, televise it and sell it as the next big battle royale game
I’ve always advocated the same, but for our socialist and communist subversives and brainwashed useful idiots.
Round them up, put them into a nice, large, enclosed pen, give them ALL the essential resources they’d need to get started on their “utopia”, and watch it all fall apart into a hell hole in a couple years or months even, televised 24/7 for everyone to see, and finally throw Communism into the trash can of history of bad ideas.
I look at the comments, and a lot of it is very redpilled.
Why was a reaper in the air? Who was operating it? Unlike the US the Russians were not going to wait for it to cross into an area to put it in range of Russians
Plane landed, drone didnt. Biden wasted a million shooting down science ballons
Nice move by expert pilot. Of course our new air force pilots can pick up a roll of quarters one by one with she/him's assgina while singing all 119 genders in a falsetto Voice so.....same right?
Flares could be a defensive maneuver too, if it wasn't already jammed and flying on autopilot. Not sure if the video controls are a different frequency from the flight controls, because the plane isn't making sudden maneuvers to avoid it, while the camera is looking around.
Footage looks legit. I'm guessing they have figured out how to disable the drone in the least destructive way possible. One plan EW jams it from maneuvering, and the other drops fuel on it, disabling its propulsion from the impact of all that liquid on a prop under load. Plane glides down to the ground, and they rercover it, extract the waypoints loaded into it and return-home location, as well as any stored footage showing what it was looking at.
Why would they need to extract waypoints and return to home if there is "so much radar coverage" and theae things are "so easily tracked"? How exactly would they do that?
Fair, they could track it. I guess I meant they could extract any pre-programmed flight paths that they have as contingency plans, or mission data that might give some useful information which would be stored into the drone, instead of stuff remotely streamed to it while it has an active encrypted connnection. You could also get some kind of encryption keys or other chips, etc that might help decode their communications. As any hacker and IT professional knows, if you have hands-on the machine, you have a lot more access to things than trying to connect remotely.
Well, that's a good question. About 50% of the stuff that gets stickied here is total bullshit, the mods put it up to get people talking and keep engagement up on the site.
That puts us at cross purposes. Like how fox news tried to appease two groups. Those wanted news and those that require stuff like "engaging and varied entertainment". Hey, they both make the $$ and that is the whole venture.
Now here, we pretend the only venture is getting truth. But that is at cross purposes with the desire to always 9nly be winning and engaging and entertaining and making people's feelings feel really nice but at the same time embattled. It sucks because anons are allergic to propaganda at the same time as suffering from withdrawal from it and requiring it. Tough deal. Real tough problem.
Take it up with the mods. For example, right now there is a sticky that is a twitter thread that says that the real test of courage was when Biden told everyone to take the shot when it came out, but the shot came out under Trump and he was openly telling everyone to get the shot for years and a lot of the early firings happened under Trump's administration. So, the sticky is wrong, but it's there to get everyone talking and boost engagement on the site.
edit: I will probably get banned if a mod sees this because they are very sensitive to the issue.
Choose your own reality is the name of the game until we as a people decide on a shared reality. I just hope that shared reality doesn't have to come in the form of heat blast from a nuke. Cuz we will all agree on that heat, boy. Whew.
Something is “off” with the released video.. the Russian plane approached from behind the drone and supposedly clipped a propeller that bent the tip of said propeller causing the drone to be UN-flyable. But directly towards the front of propeller area are stabilizing wings/fins that appear to be quite a bit taller than the propeller. How does a jet hit the propeller without hitting the stabilizer fins/wings? Am I missing something or was the jet pilot very lucky or very skilled??
The jet hit nothing; it was too far away to do that. What hit the propeller was the fuel load. Ever get smacked in the face full on from a water spray? Now imagine the water is coming toward you at hundreds of miles per hour. Bent head? Bent propeller => unbalanced propeller => unstable dynamics (shudder, wobble) => can't fly drone.
Not saying it is impossible but that is where it’s baffling… the Ruskie jet was going the same direction as the drone and was going upward above drone. If it was a large fuel dump at opposing directions (head-on) that could be like hitting a wall but those propellers are designed to fly through rain/thunderstorm so I don’t see a bent propeller tip from the dump. I think the fuel dump was to cover the cameras and be ingested into the engine causing a flameout thus a glide down..
Thunderstorms don't involve a huge dump of mass arriving at hundreds of miles an hour. The MQ-9 cruise speed is about 200 mph. The Su-27 cruise speed is hard to estimate, but quite possibly in the range of 600 mph. That would be an overtaking speed of 400 mph, much worse than any flight through a thunderstorm (which I doubt is a desired flight environment). The engine ingestion problem was already analyzed, but it strains credibility to think that the engine would ingest anything coming from the aft direction, since the intakes are facing forward. (The Su-27 went upward after the fuel dump. Standard maneuver for a what was essentially a bomb drop. The fuel kept on going.)
But the fake news told me that the Russian Jet "collided" with it. Like they had somehow developed a jet that could collide with another aircraft and be perfectly fine. I knew that story was bullshit.
Indeed, Russia dispatched a pair of Su-27 fighter aircraft to intercept the MQ-9 Reaper.
It is believed that Russian forces dispatched from Crimea recovered most, if not all, the wreckage, including the top-secret intelligence pod that had been mounted under the left wing of the aircraft. If this is the case, critical US intelligence collection capabilities would have been compromised, allowing Russia to better protect itself from sensors like the one carried onboard the downed MQ-9 Reaper aircraft.
On March 14, 2023, an MQ-9 Reaper operating out of Campia Turzii was flying in international airspace over the Black Sea, west of Crimea. This was a standard flight profile for the MQ-9 Reaper, one that had the Russians concerned, given its proximity to sensitive Russian military installations.
The better question is why is an American drone in the black sea(recon and bombing locations given to ukraine)and why is america trying to use a robot to justify the start of WW3.
Who gives a shit if Russia destroyed it/dropped fuel on it intentionally/unintentionally. It doesn't matter.
Just because it does not matter to you does not mean it does not matter to others. Some of us enjoy the lighter moment of this movie as well. Keeps us sane.
The better question is why is an American drone in the black sea(recon and bombing locations given to ukraine)and why is america trying to use a robot to justify the start of WW3
We just knew this entire tale of "pissing jet fuel" and ramming the drone was too incredible to believe. The MQ-9 Reaper drone with its transponder turned off was like this stealthy scene from "Animal house" as if it wouldn't be noticed.
My theory only, the turbulence from those jets would inhibit the ability of lift along with the downforce of the thrusters. The drone fell like a stone. Very similar to when gas bubbles are released under a ship. Drops like a stone.
Honestly, I dont buy the "dump fuel" or tapped the propeller stuff. I think it was electronically jammed and since all comms are encrypted, the Russian's ability to do that would be a major blow to the US military, and hence not being advertised.
So we can have spy balloons, but no one else can. Wait, it wasn't a balloon.. how come we are so advanced and china is not that we have spy drones and they have balloons?? Plus, that's some fancy flying for the Russians. However, by helping their enemy, our government is essentially "at war" with Russia, so in my opinion they are well within their rights to be at war with us. Just because we haven't declared it, doesn't mean we aren't in it. We shouldn't be though. So stupid.
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But wait, I thought we were told the Ruskies dropped fuel on it, then with some super duper flying skills, hit the rear prop (of course every fast jet pilot has these skills, just enough that it doesn't destroy the aircraft, sigh) and it made a controlled landing into the drink!
Fcuk me Disney couldn't write this any better!
https://files.catbox.moe/1sb6bk.png
Winner!
That meme! LOL - Apparently jet fuel melts steel support beams at 45 degree angles too!!
Dumping fuel and tea-bagging are probably part of a carefully crafted message. Especially over the Black sea, cleverly scheduled one day before the Black Hawks humilliated the Bruins. 3 to 6. The return signal. I wonder what was said...
You forgot the part where the Ruskie pilot gave the drone 'the bird' while inverted at mach 3.
Mach 3? You mean Mach 17
...and his RIO has the picture to prove it. True story!
Only the Ghost of Kiev has those skills and maybe a Jedi Knight! KEK
I was late because I couldn't find a speeder I really liked.
But what about the droid attack on the wookies?
The droids only wanted to deliver their promo products from manscaped
Completely shaved Wookies... shudder
i was thinking just a bald patch but either is unsettling....i apologize but i cant resist the jokes
Right?
Check this out
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11867257/Moment-Russian-fighter-crashes-drone-international-airspace-Black-Sea.html#v-3071263445848207820
Yeah I've seen a version of it where conveniently the screen goes off just as the Su27 does another pass, then the next frames are a prop bent over, still not buying it though, what did the Su27 hit it with, it's wing? The forces involved again would do much more damage imo.
Something is off with the whole thing!
Chem trailed it
Pretty sure the fuel dump story was an analogy for Russia taking a piss on US tech.
Yeah, or part of the white hat trolling just to see what it takes to nudge some people awake
Putin pissed on the Deep State!
Ha, that's hilarious!
Thanks, Mr. Putin!
Top KeK!
Jettison fuel activation dumps juge amounts of fuel in a short time. The drone propeller is not designed to hit that dense of material at speed. The heavy fuel stream over the props killed the drone. Pretty clever actually. We shoulda seen that coming... If it was a jet, it would have drowned.
Whoever controls starlink knows where every last one of these reaper drones are when operational
THIS is important
Also, the Russians knew exactly where the thing was, apparently. Kek.
There is so much radar coverage (with 500-600km range) that any MQ-9 will light up anytime.
Spaceforce controls all military satellite communications so…
It's public information that they can track objects the size of baseballs.
So to confirm, they DEFINITELY don't know where pedo Joe's testicle are?
Confirmed missing
These drones do not run on Starlink
Starlink can see and hear them is my point
Starlink has no eyes, and has ears only for its own network signals.
Did you build it? The designers would be stupid to not put at least basic cameras and signals recon on the LARGEST satellite constellation by far ever created. Expand your thinking.
I didn't build it, but I was involved in other satellite programs. Starlink is a communication system, not a surveillance system. No way would they put on a camera for a function it is not intended to perform. Nor would the camera be adequate for any meaningful photography (satellite too small to afford the size and weight of the necessary optics). You don't know anything about surveillance or reconnaissance systems, so expand your knowledge before you presume to think about it.
Maybe no eyes at 'optical' wavelengths...
It was not claimed that they run on Starlink. Only that Starlink could facilitate their tracking.
The region has so much radar coverage, this isn't even a need. These are easily tracked, with little public outrage in having them "crash". You can be certain the west use them very aggressively.
Video showing the fuel dump maneuver! (real/cgi? looks pretty good)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11867257/Moment-Russian-fighter-crashes-drone-international-airspace-Black-Sea.html#v-3071263445848207820
edit: If that footage is genuine, then those Russian pilots are boss!
The amount of war mongering for nukes on that thread is frightening. I have never seen that level kneepadding for another country in all my life. These sheep are willing to end the world as we know it all for muh Ukraine.
It's astonishing to me to be honest. I'd love to have a face to face chat with some of these imbeciles to see if they really are that ignorant.
Their only response when called out for it, is to call you a Russian troll. They think that if we lob a nuke at Russian that they will cower and run. They don’t understand that when one nuke flies they all fly.
Well, dismantling isn't the ONLY method of reducing the stockpile...
They're mostly scared weaklings, only tough on the internet.
You just described 99% of the American left.
May as well move everyone advocating for war both kinetic and nuclear on to a small island with a large sheer metal ring around it and give them enough weapons and ammunition to war amongst themselves, televise it and sell it as the next big battle royale game
I'd buy THAT for a dollar!
And PPV televise it. All proceeds go to humanitarian efforts in Ukraine, Yemen, Syria, etc
I’ve always advocated the same, but for our socialist and communist subversives and brainwashed useful idiots.
Round them up, put them into a nice, large, enclosed pen, give them ALL the essential resources they’d need to get started on their “utopia”, and watch it all fall apart into a hell hole in a couple years or months even, televised 24/7 for everyone to see, and finally throw Communism into the trash can of history of bad ideas.
And then do the same with the rest of those that would war and we have a world worth living in.
I look at the comments, and a lot of it is very redpilled.
and on and on ... people are waking up
Most probably couldn't spell Ukraine prior to a year ago.
Hit the streets like Jesse waters used to, and I'm sure you will find out they still can't spell Ukraine
Nice move by expert pilot. Of course our new air force pilots can pick up a roll of quarters one by one with she/him's assgina while singing all 119 genders in a falsetto Voice so.....same right?
119 surely there are lots more than that /s
That's just the number of 'officially' recognized genders. The true number is much higher, and going higher every day.
Yes, and all that in environmentally friendly, solar/wind power aircraft.
Our AF Pilots are the best in the world. I'm not sure what you're talking about!
He could have dropped a couple flairs and watched it go down in flames.
Flares could be a defensive maneuver too, if it wasn't already jammed and flying on autopilot. Not sure if the video controls are a different frequency from the flight controls, because the plane isn't making sudden maneuvers to avoid it, while the camera is looking around.
Footage looks legit. I'm guessing they have figured out how to disable the drone in the least destructive way possible. One plan EW jams it from maneuvering, and the other drops fuel on it, disabling its propulsion from the impact of all that liquid on a prop under load. Plane glides down to the ground, and they rercover it, extract the waypoints loaded into it and return-home location, as well as any stored footage showing what it was looking at.
Why would they need to extract waypoints and return to home if there is "so much radar coverage" and theae things are "so easily tracked"? How exactly would they do that?
Fair, they could track it. I guess I meant they could extract any pre-programmed flight paths that they have as contingency plans, or mission data that might give some useful information which would be stored into the drone, instead of stuff remotely streamed to it while it has an active encrypted connnection. You could also get some kind of encryption keys or other chips, etc that might help decode their communications. As any hacker and IT professional knows, if you have hands-on the machine, you have a lot more access to things than trying to connect remotely.
the prop looks fine after the russian made that bad ass pass
look at the 2nd pass,, after the gay flag colors... bent tip of one blade
dont see it
Where is his sauce.
Anyone can say confirmed.
And video was released today..
He said confirmed like he was going to provide that confirmation, then he didn’t. What makes this confirmed? Does anyone here know? Pls help
Go through his history, he says that all the time with zero sauce.
So why is this stickied and accepted as fact here?
Well, that's a good question. About 50% of the stuff that gets stickied here is total bullshit, the mods put it up to get people talking and keep engagement up on the site.
That puts us at cross purposes. Like how fox news tried to appease two groups. Those wanted news and those that require stuff like "engaging and varied entertainment". Hey, they both make the $$ and that is the whole venture. Now here, we pretend the only venture is getting truth. But that is at cross purposes with the desire to always 9nly be winning and engaging and entertaining and making people's feelings feel really nice but at the same time embattled. It sucks because anons are allergic to propaganda at the same time as suffering from withdrawal from it and requiring it. Tough deal. Real tough problem.
Take it up with the mods. For example, right now there is a sticky that is a twitter thread that says that the real test of courage was when Biden told everyone to take the shot when it came out, but the shot came out under Trump and he was openly telling everyone to get the shot for years and a lot of the early firings happened under Trump's administration. So, the sticky is wrong, but it's there to get everyone talking and boost engagement on the site.
edit: I will probably get banned if a mod sees this because they are very sensitive to the issue.
Cause zero sauce 🐎💩 gets stickied here on the regular...
Confirmation bias! Is what this should say
Choose your own reality is the name of the game until we as a people decide on a shared reality. I just hope that shared reality doesn't have to come in the form of heat blast from a nuke. Cuz we will all agree on that heat, boy. Whew.
I never thought that in my lifetime I would laugh at US & UK military, whilst at the same time having feelings of support for Russia!!
I never thought that in my lifetime I would be be hating vaccines and being called white supremacist or russian troll on twitter. Strange times.
Something is “off” with the released video.. the Russian plane approached from behind the drone and supposedly clipped a propeller that bent the tip of said propeller causing the drone to be UN-flyable. But directly towards the front of propeller area are stabilizing wings/fins that appear to be quite a bit taller than the propeller. How does a jet hit the propeller without hitting the stabilizer fins/wings? Am I missing something or was the jet pilot very lucky or very skilled??
The jet hit nothing; it was too far away to do that. What hit the propeller was the fuel load. Ever get smacked in the face full on from a water spray? Now imagine the water is coming toward you at hundreds of miles per hour. Bent head? Bent propeller => unbalanced propeller => unstable dynamics (shudder, wobble) => can't fly drone.
Not saying it is impossible but that is where it’s baffling… the Ruskie jet was going the same direction as the drone and was going upward above drone. If it was a large fuel dump at opposing directions (head-on) that could be like hitting a wall but those propellers are designed to fly through rain/thunderstorm so I don’t see a bent propeller tip from the dump. I think the fuel dump was to cover the cameras and be ingested into the engine causing a flameout thus a glide down..
Thunderstorms don't involve a huge dump of mass arriving at hundreds of miles an hour. The MQ-9 cruise speed is about 200 mph. The Su-27 cruise speed is hard to estimate, but quite possibly in the range of 600 mph. That would be an overtaking speed of 400 mph, much worse than any flight through a thunderstorm (which I doubt is a desired flight environment). The engine ingestion problem was already analyzed, but it strains credibility to think that the engine would ingest anything coming from the aft direction, since the intakes are facing forward. (The Su-27 went upward after the fuel dump. Standard maneuver for a what was essentially a bomb drop. The fuel kept on going.)
It did hit the stabilizer wing, it just didn't break that because it wasn't spinning at 400 mph.
Rotational energy! It's why a Dremel tool works.
Had the same thought
I think the theory with the fuel being heavy and damaging the prop while it as under load makes the most sense.
Funny how they can crash a powered drone into the ocean, and recover it
And we can’t shoot down a ballon either over land or water and recover anything. I guess we are scared of water and walking off a road
But the fake news told me that the Russian Jet "collided" with it. Like they had somehow developed a jet that could collide with another aircraft and be perfectly fine. I knew that story was bullshit.
Just like the 911 planes that could cut a plane shaped hole into the steel structure of the world trade buildings
Source is Scott Ritter
https://sputniknews.com/20230315/us-account-of-black-sea-incident-unrealistic-as-su-27-would-have-sustained-serious-damages---expert-1108438667.html
https://archive.ph/ARBzE
https://www.theinteldrop.org/2023/03/16/mq-9-drone-incident-bidens-dangerous-escalation/
https://archive.ph/oW7z2
I hope the "top-secret intelligence pod" is just a cache of Hunter Biden, Anthony Winer and Seth Rich laptops.
It costs 56 mil for a Reaper??
https://www.theinteldrop.org/2023/03/16/mq-9-drone-incident-bidens-dangerous-escalation/
https://archive.ph/oW7z2
Why are people so focused on this?
The better question is why is an American drone in the black sea(recon and bombing locations given to ukraine)and why is america trying to use a robot to justify the start of WW3. Who gives a shit if Russia destroyed it/dropped fuel on it intentionally/unintentionally. It doesn't matter.
Just because it does not matter to you does not mean it does not matter to others. Some of us enjoy the lighter moment of this movie as well. Keeps us sane.
Seriously, you dont know the answer to this?
$56 million, in the drink. I'm stuck on that.
What's another 56 million at this point?
We could have used that 56 million to buy Ukraine more weapons! What a waste...
Do they really cost $56million each?
This goes too far.
Only in minecraft
?
Thats the question...
Just keep spreading the truth.
The drone should have gone inverted, that would have really scared Ivan.
It went inverted for the last 10 seconds of its flight
28 million is what they cost, Still almost as much as an F-16!
Edit: Aparrently it costs double of what I remember now! WTF! I remember 15 million dollar F-16s.
Inflation mate!
We just knew this entire tale of "pissing jet fuel" and ramming the drone was too incredible to believe. The MQ-9 Reaper drone with its transponder turned off was like this stealthy scene from "Animal house" as if it wouldn't be noticed.
My theory only, the turbulence from those jets would inhibit the ability of lift along with the downforce of the thrusters. The drone fell like a stone. Very similar to when gas bubbles are released under a ship. Drops like a stone.
That's not how that works
Honestly, I dont buy the "dump fuel" or tapped the propeller stuff. I think it was electronically jammed and since all comms are encrypted, the Russian's ability to do that would be a major blow to the US military, and hence not being advertised.
You can actually see the propeller is bent after the 2nd pass.
Isn't it pretty common for propellers to look bent on video due to the rolling shutter effect?
Indeed. Also, one would think with a bent propeller there would be a lot more vibration on the video.
Just gathering evidence...
If the Su hit the prop it would have taken the V-tail too.
This comment is hilarious
https://twitter.com/locust9/status/1636079289849331712?t=jeKsnw7btY8ulei6LIjz7A&s=19
Putin Did It kek https://files.catbox.moe/wuz6tm.mp4
u/#topkek
How was anything confirmed here? He wrote this before the video was released.
Echoes of the Soviets scooping up the decoding equipment on the crashed U2 that Gary Powers flew.
That had a lot of story. Wonder what the real story here is/
So we’re going hot? Defcomm level?
*Defcon. Unless you were making a joke I don't get ;)
Joke
Defcomms are used by Def Jam to notify NORAD on when to change DEFCON.
That's how it works lately it is seems!
So we can have spy balloons, but no one else can. Wait, it wasn't a balloon.. how come we are so advanced and china is not that we have spy drones and they have balloons?? Plus, that's some fancy flying for the Russians. However, by helping their enemy, our government is essentially "at war" with Russia, so in my opinion they are well within their rights to be at war with us. Just because we haven't declared it, doesn't mean we aren't in it. We shouldn't be though. So stupid.
I just noticed, after the 2nd pass of the jet, the propellor blade is bent from impact.
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