They danced, laughed, and knew they could get away with it.
And here I am 20 years later still pissed.
Oh well.
Controlled Demolitions LLC was in WTC the 18 months prior. My guess is advising / consulting. The info is classified. Would love to have that validated or not. I do know if all the implosion companies they were the ones I would contact if I wanted WTC done.
He didn't say anyrhing about aircraft, you're putting words in his mouth. Explosives were used on all three of those buildings. You could see them and hear them and even the firemen knew it. Some of the first people out of the twin towers said explosives were going off in places, injuring and killing people. That's a fact. The bombs were planted by a group of Finnish "artists" called the E-Team.
You're correct, I just looked it up to check. There was a finnish art group that also had to do with the twin towers not long before 911, which Is why I thought it was the E-team.
I'm not suggesting that, but I do think that, yes. Operation Northwoods.
And yes, explosives were used. Watch the ground videos from the collapse and even before the collapses. You could hear the explosions. Buildings do not fall into themselves like that. The top of the building would not be able to bring down the entire building in a pancake. The twin towers had an internal support structure and an exoskeleton support structure. It was built specifically to prevent such a collapse. I'm not saying this to "flex," but I'm an engineer. Those buildings should never have collapsed that way at all, let alone both of then doing the exact same thing.
It's not BS. My father spent over 20 years in EOD and I'm an jet engine engineer. I don't deal with explosives, but I've spent my whole life around them and have been on the explosive range on bases many times. Eye witnesses described the explosions, the fire department and police officers described them, the videos allow you to hear them, and the steel beams were shown to have been cut in the same way you would for the placement of explosives and controlled descent of the building. The Fairbanks report shows all this as well.
Sound of one of the explosions after the towers fell (there were many more, but over time these get taken down, obviously):
https://youtu.be/BWWmNpsedNA
I also want you to look at the pictures from the pentagon and PA. Where are the planes? Where are the engines, luggage, seats, wings, tails, anything? Nothing was found at the twin towers either, but these pictures are way more obvious to people. In Shanksville, one of the local reporters even stated this looked nothing like a plane crash.
Thats not at all what I said. Again, you're putting words in people's mouths. There were explosives the whole way down, not at one place. You're retarded and clearly not worth having a conversation with.
A plane or.planes or missiles would not cause a building to drop at free fall speed. Nor cause the vast majority of the structure to dustify in the wind. Nor cause molten steel to.remain for days on end. We know what happened. He is still living in a bubble.
The explosives were placed strategically because they wanted the world to see where they wanted people to think airplanes hit, but it was in reality missiles.
The photos show that the steel support beams were cut at an angle, just as in a standard demolition. When the explosives cut the beams that way, the upper part can slide down and to one side, collapsing the building.
I suppose you wish to disregard numerous witnesses who heard the explosions, including trained first responders.
The design of the buildings makes it impossible that any airplane could do enough damage to bring them down.
You obviously spent no time watching the many videos that captured what really happened. Might be a good idea to watch some of those instead of trying to sell the airplane narrative.
Trump said on an interview at the time that both towers were built extremely well and very tough, having a steel exoskeleton outside as well as the solid core on the inside. Missiles were fired at the buildings and charges were set to make it look as if a plane did indeed crash. There are interviews of people at the time that said they heard a missile rather than airplanes.
There are also videos and artifacts showing that pictures of airplanes were layered on to where the missiles were.
A professional job would have used explosives (thermite) that completely pulvarized the concrete structures of the building (like WTC). It's obvious the Chinese used explosives only on the lower floors. I'm still evaluating it as to why, but it most likely was due to cost. How does one deal with the intact collapsed structures? Wrecking ball? I don' know.
When a natural disaster strikes like an earthquake, tidal wave, or sink hole, this is how a building collapses. Fire has never in the history of high rises brought down a building EXCEPT of course for those three buildings in NYC. An airplane cannot penetrate the massive wrought iron columns of a high rise building. It's analogous of being paper being cut by scissors.
Since many structures in China are tofu dreg buildings (ie cheaply and shoddily built by cutting massive corners) it is probably cheaper to wreck them on the ground. look up tofu dreg on YT to see just how widespread building fraud is over there.
Agreed. It's so bad, we're affected by it over here. Take for instance, the walkway bridge collapse in Florida. Tragic, but ya' can't make this shit up. It's 'that' bad.
Thanks. This is true. Do you know the ASTM. I've been out of metallurgy and structural steel for over 30 years now. I recall ASTM A36, but that's about it.
Okay, you're speaking Mary Hopkin to me and speaking my language. "Those were the days, my friend. We thought they'd never end." Do you remember that song? It came to mind and I remember it well.
Yup, outstanding song. Mild steel hasn’t changed all that much in the past fifty years. Unless somebody figures out how to grow large graphene lattices cheaply, steel probably wont change much for the next fifty years either
for starters thermite isn't an "explosive" it's a exothermic reaction that uses the "oxide" in iron oxide (rust) to donate to the aluminum to allow it to burn in a metal fire... the finer mesh both of these components are in the composition the faster and more energetic it can do it's conversion. the intense heat allows the formation of molten iron left behind from the iron oxide and this molten iron is then directed onto the object you are looking to cut (or weld, it's how they do certain types of in the field train rail repairs).
it doesn't blow up unless you contain the shit out of it and even then it's not a very effective explosive, it's nowhere near HE (like dynamite or even PETN).
And the reason china used explosive on the lower floors only is because it's the most efficient way to bring a building down. they are filled with tensioned rebar cast into concrete and as soon as the concrete is busted the rebar is allowed to retract and it'll throw 50 pound chunks of concrete at ridiculous speeds straight into your face if it wants to.
if you get a building that big made from tensioned forms moving, gravity and inertia and the stored up energy in that stretched rebar will blow the building to dust and leave you with a pile of mangled twisted rebar with chunks of concrete stuck to it.
in other words... those buildings aren't "intact" at all other than the one that squatted/leaned and didn't come down (which is a MASSIVE problem which i talked about elsewhere in this thread).
as for your second paragraph i can assure you that just about every single thing you wrote is not accurate in the slightest, but i'll leave that for another day, kinda sick of having that conversation over and over again because few people actually listen.
Thanks, for quoting your piece from taken from an article I read, but you're pretty much preaching to the choir here. Thermite is not used for demolition anymore as nano-thermite is preferred. Perhaps you observed the Chinese demolition more than my cursory viewing. In my view, the Chinese lack morality and will cut corners to save a few renminbis even at the cost of other peoples lives. They are dumb-fucks that cheat at everything they do. My college classes had them even some 30-years ago and they all cheated.
By the way regarding my last paragraph, go argue with Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth. An airplane did not make these buildings collapse in their own footprint, especially with hundreds of tons of missing debris. Know the science.
i didn't "quote an article" i told you exactly what it is because i've made more pounds of it than you've had birthdays.
and "nano-thermite" is just a thing corey and dylan types dredged up as a buzzword trying to add fuel to idiotic 9/11 conspiracies injected into subversive forums in order to invalidate everything people question.
"oh you think the election was rigged, you're probably one of those flat earth 9/11 truther birds are fake idiots"
they do it on purpose to make all questioning of the events of that day seem ridiculous.
instead of being able to talk about how we shot down the plane in shanksville and how the government knew this attack was coming and let it go down so they could pass the patriot act and start another war...
instead we get a bunch of people jerking each other off about nano-thermite and molten pools of metal which nobody ever seemed to take a picture of being craned out of the bottom of the "bathtub".
it's not the fucking plane alone that did... it's the fires that were heating a damaged area, that damaged area which is tasked with carrying the load of all the floors above it. the more weight bearing down on the damaged area the more stresses on that damaged area the more easily it would be to deform and bend the slowly heating metal.
thats why the tower that got hit second, which was hit lower, fell first (because the damaged area was carrying far more load).
fires didn't do it
plane damage didn't do it
but damage + fires did.
when you yeet 3 floors of zig zag trusses and punch a hole through the central core bad enough to take out the stairs and elevators... then heat up what remains, the forces bearing down on the remaining structure is more than heated metal can withstand.
you make a sword by heating metal then applying force.
you can bring a building down the same exact way, the force is applied by gravity and mass and by applying forces in ways the building isn't designed to.
for example... the zig zag trusses are intended to pin the outer shell to the central core and give the corrugated metal floor pans (concrete forms) a safe place to sit...
they aren't designed to heat, sag, and induce lateral stresses on the skin and the core until they bust loose. and fall.
you can see the deformation of the outer skin of the towers in the heated areas of the building long before they fell... thats because the damaged section of the building was pulling itself apart from the inside out.
the key question you should be asking yourself is why in the fuck would "they" go through this stupid plan of wiring all three buildings with explosives then risk slamming fully fueled passenger airliners into them at max speed?
don't you think if the building is filled with explosives the MASSIVE FIREBALLS OF ARESOLIZED JET FUEL would have initiated the demolition the second the planes hit?
better question... you go through 6 months of "covert demo prep work" (impossible in a building filled with people 6 days a week btw) then you're going to risk this entire operation by slamming planes into all your hard work thus risking severing the control wires for the demo charges?
even if they used det cord you're back to the original issue of the planes fireball setting that off... PETN isn't exactly known for stability and fire resistance.
bottom line is if they wanted to blow the towers up, all they had to do is blow the fucking towers up... just claim "terrorists snuck in and wired the buildings" like they did with the first trade center bombing.
wouldn't that be far easier and far more reliable than rolling the fucking dice on all these silly theatrics you claim to be the crux of the plan?
fucking nonsense, all of it...
i've been in the demolition and site clean up business pretty much my entire life, i can tell you you are wrong but you'll never believe me because you don't know what you are talking about.
it's fine, you aren't the first and you won't be the last, don't take what i said personally just consider it and feel free to end the convo here or retort... i don't care i probably won't respond if you do. i'm so sick of having this retarded conversation over and over again with people who think they know more about this business than i do.
LOL, yeah every now and then i try my best to explain something to someone as best i can, because they show a glimmer of hope of logic and reasoning...
then they respond by telling me mini tactical nukes were used...
i'm done for a bit i think, gonna take me a minute to bounce back from that one.
The dteonation of WTC was underground and not where the alleged planes hit. Again, I'll take Architects and Engineer for 911 Truth over any silly and ludricrous mentioning that echoes the pancake explanation. Freefall is 32.2 miles per second squared.
"i've made more pounds of it than you've had birthdays."
And I'm Moses and parted the Red Sea....
I'm old enough to know those who boast loudest are to be avoided for their desperation of cons.
I'm not going to respond to your government conspiracy theories. A mini nuke was used and the detection of radiation was detected and shown by the high number of cancer caused dearths. The evidence is predominantly against your fantasies. So long. I will not respond to your proven falsehoods.
Dancing Israel students. Insurance payouts. Asbestos. Radioactive particulates. vaporization. Architects and Engineer for 911 vastly outweigh your credibility and pay grade.
Isn't it amazing all of these are 'after' 2001? Every metallurgy engineer, structural engineer, materials engineer would tell the same. A carbon fire does not reach the plastic state of structural steel. The color of smoke is black and thick grey. This is an alpha fire starved of oxygen. So, they are at the bottom end of heat index of an alpha fire. The black smoke is also indicative of an oil (petroleum) dire; a 'Beta' type fire. They too do not even come close to the temperature of the plasticity of structural steel.
The Sao Paulo one I suspect foul play and is a disguised demolition. Insurance payoff? Judging by the pulverization of the concrete, its classic demolition. Miami could be as you state. No one said buildings didn't collapse because of lack of inspection or poor design. The World Trade Center was not the case however.
Tehran? It's hard to assess. What is their structural codes for buildings in regards to natural phenomena such as earth quakes. Was it shoddy construction? Would it pass muster for Europe or US? I highly doubt it.
I don't want to go through worldwide videos of building collapses. You can show me these, but I'll point you good structures that would never collapse to fire and an aluminum airplane.
I look at the science I'm educated in and that is structural and metallurgical engineering. You are being misled. The campaign to deny the demolition of the world trade towers and the evidence that is was rigged beforehand is incontrovertible. It's as simple as looking at the temperature of plasticity of cold rolled steel. No alpha fire will bring down a steel structure. Got to the Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth. they know far more than you.
Again, go to Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth. It is there you'll find all the evidence you seek. To say you're in construction doesn't provide you with any knowledge of material strengths and design. This belongs to the Engineering and Architect realm. If a carpenter building a house is killed because a load bearing beam was used improperly doesn't give construction workers knowledge of the designed capacity of load bearing beams. In other words, the carpenter builds according to what he is instructed to build.
Probably not many, at least not on a scale big enough to care, but that's not how contageons cause problems.
Evergrande is going to destroy their bond market, and their real estate market in one fell swoop. Home sales in China are already down 90% YOY, and there's about to be the biggest firesale on real estate in history in a market already oversupplied to the max and multiple times over. $1.5 million apartments in Beijing are going to be on sale for $150,000 and find no buyers. The debt is going to become toxic, because the bonds are going to be 10x assets on everything.
All property developers fail. All banks fail. All local governments default on their bond issuances. Napkin math already puts this at a default bigger than their GDP.
How many banks and firms WW are invested in China?
How many banks are invested in other banks, nationally and WW?
How many banks WW are invested in the same stocks - Big Tech?
Yep, and BlackRock holds >2% of RBC, Vanguard and its funds own >5%, BMO >5%
For BMO BlackRock holds >3%, Vanguard >5%, RBC >10%
Vanguard holds 8% of BlackRock.
And this is just one example and one scratch on the surface. Throw in the rest of the Canadian banks interconnectedness, BlackRock and Vanguards massive exposure to them all, and their massive ownership of big tech the Canadian banking system being collectively a top 10 investor in big tech.
Factor in that after 2008 Canadian banks were considered a safe investment because they provided liquidity to American banks, so American banks started holding larger amounts of Canadian banks, so did European banks.
Europe is in a similar situation.
Just pull up a chair, look at those stock tickers and enjoy some popcorn.
gotta say as someone with experience in this field the building that didn't fall all the way down is going to be a major pain in the ass to take care of. i mean it is china so they probably won't bat an eye at sending someone into that death trap... but here in the states, if you try to drop a building at it just squats and leans... your insurance company just dropped you and you probably just went out of business.
remember most of these high rise demo's require you to be out of there quickly so the rest of the area can get back to business as usual asap.
a building left leaning/squatted like that means everything stays shut down till you can figure out a way to deal with it.
I can speak a little bit to this. I have a several (non CCP) contacts who are experienced in dealing with China.
China will frequently pay someone for a job that is entirely pointless just to say that they have low unemployment. I can give two examples that a friend of mine witnessed (both of which annoyed the hell out of him):
First, three men who were paid to move rocks, one moving them up a hill and across a road, one moving them down a hill and across a road, and one stopping traffic when one of those two crossed said road while moving said rocks. Just three men, two piles of rocks a hundred meters apart, and some wheel barrows, all holding up traffic between my bud's apartment and his place of work for the entire two years he was contracted there.
Second, a person paid to stop people from taking their trash out outside of allowed hours. In this particular area (maybe all of the mainland), a rule was put in place that peons could only take their trash out while an attendant was present at the trash location, "to ensure that recyclables and compostables were not mixed in with landfill trash". This attendant worked basically whenever they wanted, shifting hours around different weeks. Naturally, people ignored the rule and would take their trash out when there was no attendant. So, the govt hired people to guard the trash location to stop people from taking out their trash (but not to sort it at convenient hours).
So, all this is to agree with comments that China will absolutely send in hoards of "unimportant" people to clean these buildings up, with utter disregard for safety or reason. In their eyes, they have created employment.
you're talking months of prep work ripping apart walls, jackhammering out concrete to get down to the rebar, making weakening cuts into the superstructure in order to allow for the placement of cutting charges...
for example if you have 10 supporting members you need to sever in order to bring something down, and the building is gutted... you can remove 5 or 6 of them with a cutting torch then place cutting charges on the remaining system.
according to the link they used 85,000 charges... which seems a bit overinflated... they may have been counting the individual bags or tubes of HE as "bombs" but i can't imagine rigging a job with 85,000 initiators and then running the det wires and det cord to connect them all back to a blasting box.
also it should be noted that in most blasts you don't initiate all of them at once, they are timed with some freaky precision to allow you to use gravity to your advantage...
for example, you'd want to blow out the connections at the top of a wall which pin it to a structure a fraction of a second before you blow the bottom to allow the structure to begin to fall but then kick the legs out from under it and let gravity do the rest.
the thing is you're dealing with an amount of mass and inertial forces most people can't wrap their minds around, TBH that building fell a long way before squatting and i was shocked to see anything made by the chinese withstand all those forces. usually when you get something that big moving it's fucking over with. those structures must be FULL of tensioned rebar to remain rigid like that. i'm actually shocked to see that.
anyway there's no chance in hell this was done on the sly.
Sinister plans afoot for mortgage defaulters to have their property taken by the mortgage providers in exchange for a price that settles the mortgage and be offered rentals.
Millions of apes and retards will have a shit-fit if they don't pay out. They're already learning that the whole thing is rigged. Wait until they find out just how bad it is.
I don't understand, why blow up the buildings? Feels like a big waste of time and resources for everyone no? Couldn't they eventually resume construction? And I thought evergrande had like a month of grace to pay their minimum loan payment?
The demolitions are entertaining but the video is an excellent 6 min 18 sec overview of the incoming Chinese financial collapse.
Here's another tidbit from the video: China has 50 million homes (houses and mostly apartments and condos I expect) that were never sold and still stand empty. That's enough, the newsreader says, to house the entire populations of France, Germany, the UK, and Canada.
Central planning and corruption have created an unstable Frankenstein economy in China, and it's about to fall. Many millions of people will lose their life savings when Evergrande and other companies go belly-up.
This Evergrande collapse is just the beginning and it won't stop at the Chinese border.
I do remember stories from nay years ago of entire empty cities in China...
it was tied to the ability of the Chinese people to select their own investments..
They could not, for instance invest in western companies. That was solely the purview of the Chines government..
$300 BILLION in debt, all too much of it was Chinese who poured their savings into the company?
China goes into nuclear meltdown when they do an ordinary civil revolt. Its one of the reasons the CCP is SO harsh on any kind of dissent, they have a way of chain reactions into "everybody dies in a endless tide of blood that burns the nation to the ground" like as happened in their last dozen upheavals.
And worse yet, the hard losses in the West from every fund, every pension, every everything that failed to divest in time.
And then the Chinese decided to demo the failed construction projects... lmao...
Welcome to slamming the graphite-tipped control rods into to superheated RBMK reactor. (what triggered the Chernobyl explosion for the uninformed)
I really doubt the gov will not step in and if they don't that means this is about covering up their wuhan mess, a good crisis will take everyone's eyes off that.
Sorry, what is this? Some amateur Indian news agency showing buildings coming down because the developer ran out of money? 85000 “bombs”, you mean controlled demolitions?
This seems really weird and pointless. What am I missing? I see the parallels to 9/11 but this looks like nonsense and what does it have to do with the plan?!
It wasn't even half as professional as the collapse of WTC caused by a "fire".
They should contact some Israeli art students for the needed expertise
E-Team, back again! Droppin' buildings then dancin', Whomp there it is.
Talk about brazen. You bomb a building in a foreign country but feel no threat of retaliation by celebrating publicly.
So what? They get Plexed on, arrested, anything?
Nope.
They danced, laughed, and knew they could get away with it.
And here I am 20 years later still pissed.
Oh well.
Controlled Demolitions LLC was in WTC the 18 months prior. My guess is advising / consulting. The info is classified. Would love to have that validated or not. I do know if all the implosion companies they were the ones I would contact if I wanted WTC done.
theyre just mid-level contractors, distracting from the Royals, and the Bankers, and the children of Francis Bacon.
Hey, you! Let the artists I'm that helicopter take pictures of you standing in the windows!
Shoulda just used jet fuel, I hear that instantly turns buildings into pancakes.
it was caused by white supremacy, but in the future.
He didn't say anyrhing about aircraft, you're putting words in his mouth. Explosives were used on all three of those buildings. You could see them and hear them and even the firemen knew it. Some of the first people out of the twin towers said explosives were going off in places, injuring and killing people. That's a fact. The bombs were planted by a group of Finnish "artists" called the E-Team.
They were Israeli.
You're correct, I just looked it up to check. There was a finnish art group that also had to do with the twin towers not long before 911, which Is why I thought it was the E-team.
What was heard, was the sound and visual of all that air on each floor compressing and forcing its way out the weakest points. The windows.
I'm not suggesting that, but I do think that, yes. Operation Northwoods.
And yes, explosives were used. Watch the ground videos from the collapse and even before the collapses. You could hear the explosions. Buildings do not fall into themselves like that. The top of the building would not be able to bring down the entire building in a pancake. The twin towers had an internal support structure and an exoskeleton support structure. It was built specifically to prevent such a collapse. I'm not saying this to "flex," but I'm an engineer. Those buildings should never have collapsed that way at all, let alone both of then doing the exact same thing.
No use to argue with that guy. He’s clearly a shill or just doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
It's not BS. My father spent over 20 years in EOD and I'm an jet engine engineer. I don't deal with explosives, but I've spent my whole life around them and have been on the explosive range on bases many times. Eye witnesses described the explosions, the fire department and police officers described them, the videos allow you to hear them, and the steel beams were shown to have been cut in the same way you would for the placement of explosives and controlled descent of the building. The Fairbanks report shows all this as well.
Sound of one of the explosions after the towers fell (there were many more, but over time these get taken down, obviously): https://youtu.be/BWWmNpsedNA
Fireman and witness describe explosions: https://youtu.be/huGNzqtLN0k
Video of just the fireman: https://youtu.be/gp9YmTnYP90
Outward trajectory of debris consistent with explosives, not pressure from pancaking: https://youtu.be/xWp4ZM4hnGw
https://commonground.ca/explosives-used-on-9-11-say-commissioners/
I also want you to look at the pictures from the pentagon and PA. Where are the planes? Where are the engines, luggage, seats, wings, tails, anything? Nothing was found at the twin towers either, but these pictures are way more obvious to people. In Shanksville, one of the local reporters even stated this looked nothing like a plane crash.
https://search.brave.com/images?q=9/11%20pentagon
https://search.brave.com/images?q=9%2F11+Pennsylvania+&source=web
Thats not at all what I said. Again, you're putting words in people's mouths. There were explosives the whole way down, not at one place. You're retarded and clearly not worth having a conversation with.
A plane or.planes or missiles would not cause a building to drop at free fall speed. Nor cause the vast majority of the structure to dustify in the wind. Nor cause molten steel to.remain for days on end. We know what happened. He is still living in a bubble.
The explosives were placed strategically because they wanted the world to see where they wanted people to think airplanes hit, but it was in reality missiles.
The photos show that the steel support beams were cut at an angle, just as in a standard demolition. When the explosives cut the beams that way, the upper part can slide down and to one side, collapsing the building.
I suppose you wish to disregard numerous witnesses who heard the explosions, including trained first responders.
The design of the buildings makes it impossible that any airplane could do enough damage to bring them down.
What about wtc7
You obviously spent no time watching the many videos that captured what really happened. Might be a good idea to watch some of those instead of trying to sell the airplane narrative.
How did WTC 7 fall? It wasn’t hit by a plane.
https://ine.uaf.edu/wtc7
garbage post. Pure disinfo.
All 3 were blown up
Can you say "thermite?"
I can say nano thermite. :)
Even better!
I can say that I am not interested in playing word games with you. I've seen ample footage and not from the lame stream media.
Can you say "ground zero looked like a foundry for weeks" from 10,000 gallons of jet fuel.
Only in a clown world.
If it was a cantilever design than by the definition of the word CANTILEVER, the outside walls are essentially useless and not bearing any weight.
Trump said on an interview at the time that both towers were built extremely well and very tough, having a steel exoskeleton outside as well as the solid core on the inside. Missiles were fired at the buildings and charges were set to make it look as if a plane did indeed crash. There are interviews of people at the time that said they heard a missile rather than airplanes.
There are also videos and artifacts showing that pictures of airplanes were layered on to where the missiles were.
Anyone notice that their controlled demos demonstrate that 9/11 buildings should have toppled over? 9/11 was an inside job.
Demolition done correctly; the buildings won't fall over; they'll come straight down.
Well China, you know, stupid af lol
Yes. If you've ever seen a properly done controlled demolition, the building comes straight down, almost into itself.
Sure mass and gravity, but not at free fall speed. That is where it screams controlled demolition.
Well, these did apparently
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_x4Jq9FTli8
They fall straight down from a controlled demolition.
exactly and maybe the whitehats did this to 'show' us what controlled demotion looks like.
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E-team or Gelatin? I'm sure the Gelatin group are just big fans of Jello, and Cosby.
A professional job would have used explosives (thermite) that completely pulvarized the concrete structures of the building (like WTC). It's obvious the Chinese used explosives only on the lower floors. I'm still evaluating it as to why, but it most likely was due to cost. How does one deal with the intact collapsed structures? Wrecking ball? I don' know.
When a natural disaster strikes like an earthquake, tidal wave, or sink hole, this is how a building collapses. Fire has never in the history of high rises brought down a building EXCEPT of course for those three buildings in NYC. An airplane cannot penetrate the massive wrought iron columns of a high rise building. It's analogous of being paper being cut by scissors.
Since many structures in China are tofu dreg buildings (ie cheaply and shoddily built by cutting massive corners) it is probably cheaper to wreck them on the ground. look up tofu dreg on YT to see just how widespread building fraud is over there.
Agreed. It's so bad, we're affected by it over here. Take for instance, the walkway bridge collapse in Florida. Tragic, but ya' can't make this shit up. It's 'that' bad.
Cold rolled steel not wrought iron
Thanks. This is true. Do you know the ASTM. I've been out of metallurgy and structural steel for over 30 years now. I recall ASTM A36, but that's about it.
No problem. Yea most likely a36. Could be the pricier stuff like a572 a992, same idea though
Okay, you're speaking Mary Hopkin to me and speaking my language. "Those were the days, my friend. We thought they'd never end." Do you remember that song? It came to mind and I remember it well.
Yup, outstanding song. Mild steel hasn’t changed all that much in the past fifty years. Unless somebody figures out how to grow large graphene lattices cheaply, steel probably wont change much for the next fifty years either
for starters thermite isn't an "explosive" it's a exothermic reaction that uses the "oxide" in iron oxide (rust) to donate to the aluminum to allow it to burn in a metal fire... the finer mesh both of these components are in the composition the faster and more energetic it can do it's conversion. the intense heat allows the formation of molten iron left behind from the iron oxide and this molten iron is then directed onto the object you are looking to cut (or weld, it's how they do certain types of in the field train rail repairs).
it doesn't blow up unless you contain the shit out of it and even then it's not a very effective explosive, it's nowhere near HE (like dynamite or even PETN).
And the reason china used explosive on the lower floors only is because it's the most efficient way to bring a building down. they are filled with tensioned rebar cast into concrete and as soon as the concrete is busted the rebar is allowed to retract and it'll throw 50 pound chunks of concrete at ridiculous speeds straight into your face if it wants to.
if you get a building that big made from tensioned forms moving, gravity and inertia and the stored up energy in that stretched rebar will blow the building to dust and leave you with a pile of mangled twisted rebar with chunks of concrete stuck to it.
in other words... those buildings aren't "intact" at all other than the one that squatted/leaned and didn't come down (which is a MASSIVE problem which i talked about elsewhere in this thread).
as for your second paragraph i can assure you that just about every single thing you wrote is not accurate in the slightest, but i'll leave that for another day, kinda sick of having that conversation over and over again because few people actually listen.
Thanks, for quoting your piece from taken from an article I read, but you're pretty much preaching to the choir here. Thermite is not used for demolition anymore as nano-thermite is preferred. Perhaps you observed the Chinese demolition more than my cursory viewing. In my view, the Chinese lack morality and will cut corners to save a few renminbis even at the cost of other peoples lives. They are dumb-fucks that cheat at everything they do. My college classes had them even some 30-years ago and they all cheated.
By the way regarding my last paragraph, go argue with Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth. An airplane did not make these buildings collapse in their own footprint, especially with hundreds of tons of missing debris. Know the science.
i didn't "quote an article" i told you exactly what it is because i've made more pounds of it than you've had birthdays.
and "nano-thermite" is just a thing corey and dylan types dredged up as a buzzword trying to add fuel to idiotic 9/11 conspiracies injected into subversive forums in order to invalidate everything people question.
"oh you think the election was rigged, you're probably one of those flat earth 9/11 truther birds are fake idiots"
they do it on purpose to make all questioning of the events of that day seem ridiculous.
instead of being able to talk about how we shot down the plane in shanksville and how the government knew this attack was coming and let it go down so they could pass the patriot act and start another war...
instead we get a bunch of people jerking each other off about nano-thermite and molten pools of metal which nobody ever seemed to take a picture of being craned out of the bottom of the "bathtub".
it's not the fucking plane alone that did... it's the fires that were heating a damaged area, that damaged area which is tasked with carrying the load of all the floors above it. the more weight bearing down on the damaged area the more stresses on that damaged area the more easily it would be to deform and bend the slowly heating metal.
thats why the tower that got hit second, which was hit lower, fell first (because the damaged area was carrying far more load).
fires didn't do it
plane damage didn't do it
but damage + fires did.
when you yeet 3 floors of zig zag trusses and punch a hole through the central core bad enough to take out the stairs and elevators... then heat up what remains, the forces bearing down on the remaining structure is more than heated metal can withstand.
you make a sword by heating metal then applying force.
you can bring a building down the same exact way, the force is applied by gravity and mass and by applying forces in ways the building isn't designed to.
for example... the zig zag trusses are intended to pin the outer shell to the central core and give the corrugated metal floor pans (concrete forms) a safe place to sit...
they aren't designed to heat, sag, and induce lateral stresses on the skin and the core until they bust loose. and fall.
you can see the deformation of the outer skin of the towers in the heated areas of the building long before they fell... thats because the damaged section of the building was pulling itself apart from the inside out.
the key question you should be asking yourself is why in the fuck would "they" go through this stupid plan of wiring all three buildings with explosives then risk slamming fully fueled passenger airliners into them at max speed?
don't you think if the building is filled with explosives the MASSIVE FIREBALLS OF ARESOLIZED JET FUEL would have initiated the demolition the second the planes hit?
better question... you go through 6 months of "covert demo prep work" (impossible in a building filled with people 6 days a week btw) then you're going to risk this entire operation by slamming planes into all your hard work thus risking severing the control wires for the demo charges?
even if they used det cord you're back to the original issue of the planes fireball setting that off... PETN isn't exactly known for stability and fire resistance.
bottom line is if they wanted to blow the towers up, all they had to do is blow the fucking towers up... just claim "terrorists snuck in and wired the buildings" like they did with the first trade center bombing.
wouldn't that be far easier and far more reliable than rolling the fucking dice on all these silly theatrics you claim to be the crux of the plan?
fucking nonsense, all of it...
i've been in the demolition and site clean up business pretty much my entire life, i can tell you you are wrong but you'll never believe me because you don't know what you are talking about.
it's fine, you aren't the first and you won't be the last, don't take what i said personally just consider it and feel free to end the convo here or retort... i don't care i probably won't respond if you do. i'm so sick of having this retarded conversation over and over again with people who think they know more about this business than i do.
think whatever you want, it's a free country...
for now.
LOL, yeah every now and then i try my best to explain something to someone as best i can, because they show a glimmer of hope of logic and reasoning...
then they respond by telling me mini tactical nukes were used...
i'm done for a bit i think, gonna take me a minute to bounce back from that one.
Building 3. Negates your conspiracy theory.
The dteonation of WTC was underground and not where the alleged planes hit. Again, I'll take Architects and Engineer for 911 Truth over any silly and ludricrous mentioning that echoes the pancake explanation. Freefall is 32.2 miles per second squared.
And I'm Moses and parted the Red Sea....
I'm old enough to know those who boast loudest are to be avoided for their desperation of cons.
I'm not going to respond to your government conspiracy theories. A mini nuke was used and the detection of radiation was detected and shown by the high number of cancer caused dearths. The evidence is predominantly against your fantasies. So long. I will not respond to your proven falsehoods.
wait... now you people are claiming a mini nuke was used?
holy shit...
wow. fair enough man have fun with whatever.
Dancing Israel students. Insurance payouts. Asbestos. Radioactive particulates. vaporization. Architects and Engineer for 911 vastly outweigh your credibility and pay grade.
Isn't it amazing all of these are 'after' 2001? Every metallurgy engineer, structural engineer, materials engineer would tell the same. A carbon fire does not reach the plastic state of structural steel. The color of smoke is black and thick grey. This is an alpha fire starved of oxygen. So, they are at the bottom end of heat index of an alpha fire. The black smoke is also indicative of an oil (petroleum) dire; a 'Beta' type fire. They too do not even come close to the temperature of the plasticity of structural steel.
The Sao Paulo one I suspect foul play and is a disguised demolition. Insurance payoff? Judging by the pulverization of the concrete, its classic demolition. Miami could be as you state. No one said buildings didn't collapse because of lack of inspection or poor design. The World Trade Center was not the case however.
Tehran? It's hard to assess. What is their structural codes for buildings in regards to natural phenomena such as earth quakes. Was it shoddy construction? Would it pass muster for Europe or US? I highly doubt it.
I don't want to go through worldwide videos of building collapses. You can show me these, but I'll point you good structures that would never collapse to fire and an aluminum airplane.
I look at the science I'm educated in and that is structural and metallurgical engineering. You are being misled. The campaign to deny the demolition of the world trade towers and the evidence that is was rigged beforehand is incontrovertible. It's as simple as looking at the temperature of plasticity of cold rolled steel. No alpha fire will bring down a steel structure. Got to the Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth. they know far more than you.
Again, go to Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth. It is there you'll find all the evidence you seek. To say you're in construction doesn't provide you with any knowledge of material strengths and design. This belongs to the Engineering and Architect realm. If a carpenter building a house is killed because a load bearing beam was used improperly doesn't give construction workers knowledge of the designed capacity of load bearing beams. In other words, the carpenter builds according to what he is instructed to build.
Looks like they demoed it so multiple buildings fall on each other to make one pile instead of two.
Chyna physics are different, silly!
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So how many American banks invested in Evergrande? Eh?
Probably not many, at least not on a scale big enough to care, but that's not how contageons cause problems.
Evergrande is going to destroy their bond market, and their real estate market in one fell swoop. Home sales in China are already down 90% YOY, and there's about to be the biggest firesale on real estate in history in a market already oversupplied to the max and multiple times over. $1.5 million apartments in Beijing are going to be on sale for $150,000 and find no buyers. The debt is going to become toxic, because the bonds are going to be 10x assets on everything.
All property developers fail. All banks fail. All local governments default on their bond issuances. Napkin math already puts this at a default bigger than their GDP.
How many banks and firms WW are invested in China?
How many banks are invested in other banks, nationally and WW?
How many banks WW are invested in the same stocks - Big Tech?
RED October.
Done in 30. Sorry, it's the second. 29.
Stop, men can't orgasm like women, back to back.
Yep, and BlackRock holds >2% of RBC, Vanguard and its funds own >5%, BMO >5%
For BMO BlackRock holds >3%, Vanguard >5%, RBC >10%
Vanguard holds 8% of BlackRock.
And this is just one example and one scratch on the surface. Throw in the rest of the Canadian banks interconnectedness, BlackRock and Vanguards massive exposure to them all, and their massive ownership of big tech the Canadian banking system being collectively a top 10 investor in big tech.
Factor in that after 2008 Canadian banks were considered a safe investment because they provided liquidity to American banks, so American banks started holding larger amounts of Canadian banks, so did European banks.
Europe is in a similar situation.
Just pull up a chair, look at those stock tickers and enjoy some popcorn.
IMO if chyna actually believed that evergrande was going to pay dividends they would have purposefully excluded Americans.
If it's the bigger catalyst to tendie exploration, then I'm perfectly happy with the whole thing collapsing.
Hella story. But I can't help but remember the people in wuhan collapsing in the street... That never happened here.
They used that fakery to destroy the worlds economy though, so stories need not be real any more.
Prepare accordingly.
All this is missing is a man in a Godzilla costume.
Add him in later, and you have a movie. And you save the expense of building all those models. :)
That's exactly what I was thinking. Looks just like a godzilla movie.
Along with the guy spitting on his hands and rubbing the elevator buttons, as if that is something anyone would expect.
gotta say as someone with experience in this field the building that didn't fall all the way down is going to be a major pain in the ass to take care of. i mean it is china so they probably won't bat an eye at sending someone into that death trap... but here in the states, if you try to drop a building at it just squats and leans... your insurance company just dropped you and you probably just went out of business.
remember most of these high rise demo's require you to be out of there quickly so the rest of the area can get back to business as usual asap.
a building left leaning/squatted like that means everything stays shut down till you can figure out a way to deal with it.
China will just hit it with a missle
Probably given to them by Biden
I can speak a little bit to this. I have a several (non CCP) contacts who are experienced in dealing with China.
China will frequently pay someone for a job that is entirely pointless just to say that they have low unemployment. I can give two examples that a friend of mine witnessed (both of which annoyed the hell out of him):
First, three men who were paid to move rocks, one moving them up a hill and across a road, one moving them down a hill and across a road, and one stopping traffic when one of those two crossed said road while moving said rocks. Just three men, two piles of rocks a hundred meters apart, and some wheel barrows, all holding up traffic between my bud's apartment and his place of work for the entire two years he was contracted there.
Second, a person paid to stop people from taking their trash out outside of allowed hours. In this particular area (maybe all of the mainland), a rule was put in place that peons could only take their trash out while an attendant was present at the trash location, "to ensure that recyclables and compostables were not mixed in with landfill trash". This attendant worked basically whenever they wanted, shifting hours around different weeks. Naturally, people ignored the rule and would take their trash out when there was no attendant. So, the govt hired people to guard the trash location to stop people from taking out their trash (but not to sort it at convenient hours).
So, all this is to agree with comments that China will absolutely send in hoards of "unimportant" people to clean these buildings up, with utter disregard for safety or reason. In their eyes, they have created employment.
IF a whitehat production, it could be specifically to break the economy more in the area.
How easy is it to make something like this happen?
lol, it's a MASSIVE undertaking.
you're talking months of prep work ripping apart walls, jackhammering out concrete to get down to the rebar, making weakening cuts into the superstructure in order to allow for the placement of cutting charges...
for example if you have 10 supporting members you need to sever in order to bring something down, and the building is gutted... you can remove 5 or 6 of them with a cutting torch then place cutting charges on the remaining system.
according to the link they used 85,000 charges... which seems a bit overinflated... they may have been counting the individual bags or tubes of HE as "bombs" but i can't imagine rigging a job with 85,000 initiators and then running the det wires and det cord to connect them all back to a blasting box.
also it should be noted that in most blasts you don't initiate all of them at once, they are timed with some freaky precision to allow you to use gravity to your advantage...
for example, you'd want to blow out the connections at the top of a wall which pin it to a structure a fraction of a second before you blow the bottom to allow the structure to begin to fall but then kick the legs out from under it and let gravity do the rest.
the thing is you're dealing with an amount of mass and inertial forces most people can't wrap their minds around, TBH that building fell a long way before squatting and i was shocked to see anything made by the chinese withstand all those forces. usually when you get something that big moving it's fucking over with. those structures must be FULL of tensioned rebar to remain rigid like that. i'm actually shocked to see that.
anyway there's no chance in hell this was done on the sly.
Thanks for the insight. That makes perfect sense.
Great video, thanks, OP! The building explosions were impressive!
Stupid pony-soldiers. Phtooey!! 💦
Don't think its just China's housing market that will go bust:
UNITED KINGDOM: House Price Crash Next Year?! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8GiHeR4DIw
Sinister plans afoot for mortgage defaulters to have their property taken by the mortgage providers in exchange for a price that settles the mortgage and be offered rentals.
The lessons from 2008-09 were forgotten quickly because those damned tranches and CDOs were just too profitable...the Big Short part deux...
The Indians seem to have china's number.
India is as based as it is because of its hardcore dislike of China and Pakistan.
Worth the watch. Thanks!
Get you 401k's out of stock market now, talk to your broker and have them move it to another fund that is safer( IE treasury bonds)
Then buy the dip?
Buy and HODL GME.
Millions of apes and retards will have a shit-fit if they don't pay out. They're already learning that the whole thing is rigged. Wait until they find out just how bad it is.
Didn't they detonate these building awhile ago (last month)?
Seems to be around the first of Sept. No one around here caught that story it seems. Slide through the cracks. Still a MASSIVE story.
gigantic ghost cities exist in China its a strange sight.
I don't understand, why blow up the buildings? Feels like a big waste of time and resources for everyone no? Couldn't they eventually resume construction? And I thought evergrande had like a month of grace to pay their minimum loan payment?
That news woman with the Indian accent is hot. 🤑
I was thinking the same thing.
curry flavor?
More like onion. I dated an Indian guy for awhile - cool as fuck and very conservative. Just couldn’t handle the onion essence.
The demolitions are entertaining but the video is an excellent 6 min 18 sec overview of the incoming Chinese financial collapse.
Here's another tidbit from the video: China has 50 million homes (houses and mostly apartments and condos I expect) that were never sold and still stand empty. That's enough, the newsreader says, to house the entire populations of France, Germany, the UK, and Canada.
Central planning and corruption have created an unstable Frankenstein economy in China, and it's about to fall. Many millions of people will lose their life savings when Evergrande and other companies go belly-up.
This Evergrande collapse is just the beginning and it won't stop at the Chinese border.
Original Source:
Gravitas US Edition: China's Communist Party orders a crackdown to "hide" a financial crisis | WION
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBkMe4TdHDQ
Is the public about to find out how the twin towers really went down? Seems like this was all part of the plan.
I do remember stories from nay years ago of entire empty cities in China... it was tied to the ability of the Chinese people to select their own investments..
They could not, for instance invest in western companies. That was solely the purview of the Chines government..
Still got a little under a month? The CCP will bail out local Chinese only. Mostly via splitting Evergrand into State Owned Enterprises
This is the news we need to watch. Tjis Chinese collapse is not a show. It's their punishment for attacking us.
$300 BILLION in debt, all too much of it was Chinese who poured their savings into the company?
China goes into nuclear meltdown when they do an ordinary civil revolt. Its one of the reasons the CCP is SO harsh on any kind of dissent, they have a way of chain reactions into "everybody dies in a endless tide of blood that burns the nation to the ground" like as happened in their last dozen upheavals.
And worse yet, the hard losses in the West from every fund, every pension, every everything that failed to divest in time.
And then the Chinese decided to demo the failed construction projects... lmao...
Welcome to slamming the graphite-tipped control rods into to superheated RBMK reactor. (what triggered the Chernobyl explosion for the uninformed)
I believe that's also A signal to the world look at what we have look at what we can look at what we can do don't mess with us
I really doubt the gov will not step in and if they don't that means this is about covering up their wuhan mess, a good crisis will take everyone's eyes off that.
Symbology much?
Could a million small asteroids be on a collision course with Earth?
Its like 2008 but the China version
They should have thought about that before they released covid
Sorry, what is this? Some amateur Indian news agency showing buildings coming down because the developer ran out of money? 85000 “bombs”, you mean controlled demolitions?
This seems really weird and pointless. What am I missing? I see the parallels to 9/11 but this looks like nonsense and what does it have to do with the plan?!
they used the word "bombs"...
Downloadable backup video link:
https://files.catbox.moe/an75wt.mp4
...and the communist party bosses will continue to get fat.
Not a single airplane was harmed in the filming of this destruction.
Good! If they default on the property here in the US maybe it will be our opportunity to regain what we have lost over the years.
EO 13848 took care of that.
JFC China is collapsing right before our eyes. I would say this is a major KABOOM.
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