you think fallen angels wouldn't play double agent? There are no good aliens, it's the Hegelian dialectic as far as that goes. Good aliens have bad aliens cause issue, good aliens step in to "save" mankind, mankind is screwed and enslaved. Sounds similar to what the cabal is doing 'eh?
ET’s are Celestial beings, aka “angels,” and “fallen angels,” (and some think there are also ET entities known as “servants,” but these aren’t angels, but a lower class of beings). The angels (good ones and the bad fallen ones) are also called beni’Elohim. Demons (not angels or fallen angels) are the wayward spirits of the deceased offspring of the fallen angels and human women, Genesis 6. Yes, the beni’Elohim are technically very advanced. The Bible has a lot to say about this if you want to take the time to do some deep divide study, plus the books of Enoch.
Why is this stickied?? UGH. Get it out of your systems, bois. UAP MEGA-THREAD.
Real reason... Our most sold Q researchers have some solid indications that the "UFO scare" is what's next. So, hoping that gets discussion in this thread, too.
Bravo, catsfive. I think this is an important, related subject. As a student of this topic, I would assert that the modern national security state exists specifically due to this phenomenon. (For those curious, look at the National Security Act of 1947 and correlate that with certain events).
I firmly believe that those who take a deep, open-minded look at this subject will have a strong appreciation for how the UFO/contact phenomenon has led to the out of control intelligence community that we have today.
Obviously we can't be alone in this vast universe. It's not even worth discussing.
But all the lights, saucer shapes, cigar shapes, bell shapes, acorn shapes and triangle shapes have been set-ups for a Blue Beam type hoax panic event.
They thought we would all be marching together in lockstep by now, and would believe they were telling us at least some semblance of the truth from time-to-time.
That's not working for them, but they can't do anything else....
Definitely something out there. Now whether its ETs or demons or maybe us from the future, I don't know. I do know that this subject has always fascinated me. Its like I had no choice in believing, I just do. Same thing with Jesus.
I was approaching from an angle of feasible travel distance. Perhaps intergallactic wormholes are a thing but, if not, point to point for some of these alleged origin points is just insane for the amount of time it would take to get here or there, not even considering the concept of a revisit.
They could be using interdimensional travel techniques for interstellar travel :-) . What those might be are beyond me, but if I get drunk enough, I'm sure I could make a few up :-p
Now, let's all do our part to reduce our galaxy's hydrogen footprint. It's all about universal cooling. In the long run, you're gonna need that hydrogen. Hydrogen tax credits anyone??
I mean it is feasible to think that we humans are causing universal warming too. I mean we are such wasteful polluting creatures that we have the power to change the temperature of the Earth and the entire universe with our gluttony for those methane producing cows. We probably have an entire planet somewhere just for raising more cows to produce more methane to raise the temperature. We better spend everything we have to reduce universal warming. And if that doesn't work we can just change from communism to environmental protection. Because it is easier to create new government overreach departments when we do so under the guise of global, I mean, universal warming.
I had read a theory that any aliens that we do meet are probably related to us somehow if it is just interstellar vs interdimensional stuff. Because an ancient spacefaring civilization would have spread out colonizing different worlds with humanoids over time like millions of years as the civilization disintegrated all the children would be cut off from the other child colonies. But when we meet an ‘alien’ it could be a distant cousin. As opposed to meeting some other alien evolved independently which would likely be much farther away and not reachable compared to possible ‘cousin’ aliens.
I admit, I used to be a young earth creationist but researched myself into other theories because I couldn't keep my mind in a box. Humanity's history is so much greater than the limited choices presented to us.
Research Dr Robert Schoch, age of the Sphinx.
Research only one heiroglyph ever discovered in the great pyramid and was done so by a guy needing a discovery to keep recieving funding.
Research polygonal masonry of Peru and how masonry of later cultures was inferior.
Research Goebekli Tepe age and how older work is inferior to later work.
Research Trilithon at Balbek
Research Gunang Padang
Research Egyptians in Australia and the bulldozed pyramid
Research ancient underground cities
Research quality of granite and diorite egyptian statues versus the heiroglyphic marks upon them
Research younger dryas era cataclysm
Research Ooparts
This is but a scratch on the surface. There is so much more.
It seems every civilization has their flood story and their savior. Personally, I believe these saviors/educators were remnants of an established worldwide civilization but to each their own interpretation of the evidence.
You will find countless artifacts have gone missing or have been destroyed in an effort to gatekeep the history of man and our cataclysmic cycles of civilization rise and fall.
Here are some good starts with treasure troves of information:
History Mystery - channel
UnchartedX - channel
Magicians of the Gods- book
America Before - book
Bright_Insight - channel
Jahannah James - channel
Brien Foerster - channel
I've been at this for years and it's a conversation most aren't ready to hear.
The Earth still has a molten interior. If it was really billions of years old, there would no longer be internal heat. When I took intro geology 45 years ago, this was explained as "radioactive decay results in the heat", but we know that the Earth's interior is nickel/iron, or some high-density metal that is devoid of radioactive elements. The radioactive elements are in the Earth's continental crust, and the continental crust, comprising only about 30% of the Earth's surface, is a very thin skin compared to the diameter of the Earth, and can not come close to generating the amount of heat still in the Earth. Another interesting thing is that there are deep, incised canyons extending several miles deep along the east coast of the U.S. These are clearly water-carved canyons, meaning that the ocean basins were essentially dry in the past. I remember years later, in an oceanography class, the submarine canyons were explained as caused by turbidity currents, but any rudimentary understanding of erosion processes prevents that explanation from being remotely seriously considered. I believe there are many other interesting facts about the Earth that are contrary to the established dogma of a billions of year old Earth, among other things, but my memory isn't good enough to recall without Google :)
This does assert that we understand the existence and creation of life well enough to account for it in an equation. Evolution assumes that if you throw a big enough of number into a RNG life simulator you eventually get Life, but that seems to be a theory not a law. It could also be said that the Universe is created for Mankind to explore and grow into, a specially created multi-dimensional "bubble" created by God for us to play in, like a level in a Video game.
the bible makes no mention of other planets, aliens. That does not mean they don't exist. God could have other things going on besides our planet and it is His business. If He wanted us to know he would tell us. He does tell us there are no other gods besides Him, He knows of none. Mormons have a believe in an infinity of planets, each with their own god. Just sayin
We know of Earthlike planets nearby on a stellar level.
Math you've seen says that they are rare. These planets like we have are not the norm, nor are single star systems for that matter.
If you think we are so tremendously special when there are over 100 billionSTARS alone in our expected galaxy you are not really capable of rational thought.
You can plan out a complicated billiard shot with mathematical precision, but if the cue ball is slightly out of round, you're screwed.
It's not just the current state of Earth that's important. It's the exact state of the Earth throughout its entire history so far. All of those one-in-a-trillion conditions multiply out to near impossibility of duplication.
As an Aspie, I'm certainly capable of rational thought, and I have sorted through much more information than most people will ever be aware of.
Well..."Strange" Incidents on Mount Shasta....
The mountain is believed to be one of the seven sacred peaks on earth. Shasta’s legends include those about UFOs, aliens, angels, spirit guides and adepts.
Several documented cases of alleged encounters include the following:
1904: J.C. Brown, an explorer for a British mining company, reported that he discovered a cavern in the side of the mountain that held a giant skeleton with hieroglyphics on its walls.
1932: Edward Lanser sighted a clan of people garbed in white robes with a vast amount of gold that was living on Shasta’s higher elevations.
1934: Abraham Mansfield said he met a tribe of Lemurians who had dug tunnels connecting Mount Shasta with the Bluff Creek region.
1972: A San Jose man sighted a reptilian hominid. Others saw dwarfs, hairy humanoids and white-robed giants.
Just recently NASA employed quite a few theologians across different denominations to get an idea on how the world would react to first alien contact. Why? I think you would have to be naïve to think we are on our own. In saying that though, we have been watching many videos on the possibilities that the elite have hidden great discoveries for their own benefits and not humanity. Energy for one. Cures for another. It would seem with what has gone before us that we are living off dregs and these elite, via WORLD FAIRS, have spoon fed small small ‘discoveries’ at these fairs to keep us appreciative and no more. ‘Something happened’ WORLDWIDE that was so catastrophic that much of this technology was lost. If we take the elites word and believe we as a humanity are getting more sophisticated, more knowledgeable, as each year passes, then we have to face the fact that we have been lied to.
Why are there skills, technologies that even today we cannot duplicate? How did a primitive man create structures that today are impossible to replicate? If the population say in Moscow can build buildings in late 1700s and up to mid 1800s with a population of around 500,000 which we are told was the rough population at the time, how did they do it? There just wasn’t the population to build these structures which involved lifting huge blocks of stone into place, way more heavier than any crane today could lift. How did they transport these building pieces? Look at the world fairs! The amount of glass used in just ONE ‘crystal palace’ needed a team of ? to complete 500 panels of glass PER DAY to complete the task in just 4 months. Where did the materials come from let alone how did they transport it? Horse and cart? All these world fairs had something in common. They were temporary structures and they mysteriously burnt down when they closed and NONE turned a profit. Look at what we know of as cathedrals. Look at the statues carved from marble. No sculptor today can carve examples of veins, toenails, hair, gossamer head coverings so fine that it’s almost transparent. Sculptors today do not have the tools or skill to work the marble like what we see in ‘the old masters’. They have x-rayed one of the Masters paintings, I think it was the Mona Lisa. Or one of the most recognised paintings and the paint techniques used is impossible today. They do not have the technology to create paint today that is so thin, it’s translucent. These paintings are built up with many layers of this thinness to get to the end result.
Once you go down that rabbit hole it’s creates more questions with not many answers. Why Star Forts? Why spires so high on buildings and what was their purpose? Why is there always a water source close to the Star Forts. Why do these buildings have enormous doors and the insides are cavernous? What happened worldwide that buildings were enveloped in mud that covered at least one story? Liquefaction of the ground? A MUD FLOOD as many have named it. Why are there RECORDED insane asylums worldwide around that time that can hold up to 10,000 patients at a time and in some cities, this is just one building and there are many this size. Then the orphanages where once again, thousands of children were taken to. The orphan trains recorded across the world. Something happened but like today, history is being wiped or the elite are social engineering it away. It would seem the world had some form of electricity 100 years before recorded. Think of Tesla’s technology. Was it alien technology? All I know is that there was a GREAT RESET mentioned 200-300 odd years ago and again the elite are pushing for another GREAT RESET.
They employ theologians for the same reason they employ artists: to find the sweet spot where people will believe the fantasy that they create, before they release it.
Some of the videos we have watched state (and the Bible is full of details) that at one time giants inhabited the earth. Could it have been them that built these magnificent structures because the height and cavernous appearance would suit someone of that statute (mass). Even to stand the doors would take a mammoth effort to steady it while placing the hinges. One interesting theory was put forward that the magnificent churches right round the world were INHERITED by the church, not built by them. Why would a newly settled area build a church of mammoth proportions for a handful of people? The greatest need would be for homes for those arriving, water, food crops etc. And where did the material come from and how was it moved? Lots of questions. 😀
God also flooded the Earth because there was such bad stuff going on. Who knows what kind of tech they had at the time of Noah? Could be all kinds of hybrid beings, etc. Stuff like sx w/ anials has been illegal for a long time also. Could be there is something possible there beyond being disgusting.
There has also been question of where Goliath came from, being in an age post-Noah.
The destruction of Atlantis. But that was, as far as I understand it, approximately 12,000 years or so ago. On another note, you would absolutely love the 'Law Of One' materials (in case you haven't read them already). Free to download and read I believe.
I'm in the Law of One camp as well. It explained everything so thoroughly and elegantly that for the first time I felt like I had found real answers to all the mysteries I had been captivated by since I was a child. UFOs, alien encounters, near death experiences, confirmed cases of reincarnation, hidden history, ancient advanced megaliths, all the senseless evil and dysfunction in the world, it all makes perfect sense now.
Check out The Hidden Hand (2008) and Eracidni Murev Te (2018) if you haven't already - both are interviews with cabal insiders who give a more readable and up to date view about what's going on with humanity, the latter even predicted the shitshow we're in now. Spoiler alert: the best is yet to come.
I’m still trying to get my head around Tartaria! 😳😀. Thanks for that! In the last decade and especially in the last 6/7 years, you just cannot disregard anything because it doesn’t fit with what we have been taught. We have been lied to. Over and over and over. I have watched videos where the buildings - castles are illuminated beyond imagination. Moving walkways with ladies in long flowing gowns reminiscent of the 1700s. Buildings so glorious that have been locked away for 200 years with artwork that is so high up and precarious that to even lay on your back and paint, the detail and precision would be impossible to maintain over any timeframe. The hand sketched aerial views of the star forts, including vegetation placement in colours, cannot be duplicated in this detail even with modern photography. People have to understand that the population and talent was sparse even to find people with that gift if we are to believe what we have been told.
Just recently NASA employed quite a few theologians across different denominations to get an idea on how the world would react to first alien contact. Why?
Yep. I suppose their greatest worry would be worldwide panic. This will probably happen anyway. I would like to know what is in Antartica. Why have leaders around the world, including Bishops from the Vatican have visited there? I’m in Australia and on the days after 45 won the election, John Kerry visited there. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/john-kerry-lands-antarctica Why? And 5 Eyes involve US, Australia, NZ, UK and Canada. This spy network was used in the election fraud and Q mentions it often. If you read of Admiral Richard E Byrd who explored Antartica, it is RUMOURED that he flew over an area which was tropical in appearance. It was all documented. There is a video on it. But just like anything the elite don’t want you to speak about, they ridicule and strip away any paths that threaten THEIR narrative.
Imagine “aliens are already here plotting against us and walking among us. The only way to find them is mandatory DNA testing”
The UFO disclosure that will happen has been planned for over 70 years. We have a lot of the technology for that sort of flight already according to former designers at Lockheed and more. Basically the US Navy is working w the CIA to try and roll out the idea of an “Alien Threatt” so they can monopolize on the fear and rollout
Look at To The Stars Academy for a CIA Backed operation
Outside of that there really are UFOs - the public won’t ever get the truth about them. They don’t come from worlds away - they come from between realities permeating through multiverse. There are
Many manner of them from benevolent ones to demonic.
Most of us are ready for aliens now tbh. We all know how mich Gov has lied for years even normies, and it probably wouldnt even make much of a shake up tbh.
Just recently NASA employed quite a few theologians across different denominations to get an idea on how the world would react to first alien contact. Why?
Same reason they ran a sim on a plandemic before they ran the Covid psyop.
I don't believe in aliens. But if they did exist, I don't believe they would be visiting us. But if they were visiting us, I don't believe it would be for any beneficent reason.
However, I do believe governments will use any tool in their toolbox to take advantage of .. the tools. Project Bluebeam (which I have not studied) and no doubt others have been developed so the government can pull that little tool out whenever it wants / needs to and further terrorize and enslave the people it supposedly serves. My 2 cents.
Why not? Look at Star Trek. Wouldnt you watch curiously if you found a super rare example of complex life forms in the universe? WHy would you first instinct be to destroy them especially when they havent even reached space travel level yet?
-We're definitely being visited by another intelligence and have been for quite some time. Whether they're beings from another planet or something extra-dimensional, or us from the future etc etc, I don't know.
-Anyone who says anything definitive about the subject (eg. "we KNOW X,Y,Z") is someone to be avoided. The more one researches, the more complex and nebulous the subject becomes. Intellectually honest people who study the phenomenon will freely admit this.
-There are signs that multiple different groups/species/etc are visiting us.
-I will cautiously say that some seem to be benevolent and some seem to be hostile. I am very, very suspicious of the high profile researchers who push the "light and love/space brothers" meme. These people are either clueless or outright pushing disinfo. Far too many signs that at least some "groups" are hostile to us at worst, and view us as little more than insects at best.
-NO, THEY'RE NOT DEMONS. Yes, demons exist but no, these beings aren't demons. If you're one of those people pushing the "all aliens are demons" nonsense, I'll give you 50 lashings with a wet noodle and probably slap your belly with a wet trout at least once, maybe twice.
-I will also cautiously state that I believe the bulk of the knowledge about this phenomenon is now concentrated in the private sector and not the government/military. A lot of signs that this is the case, and it makes sense when you consider the question of classified documents versus intellectual property. Much easier to keep the latter secret over the long term.
-I am highly suspicious of the pentagon and certain branches of the military's newfound semi-openness about the subject. There is an agenda behind every bit of information that they release.
-No rational, critical thinking individual who makes a genuine attempt to seriously research this subject can walk away thinking that there isn't an intelligence in contact with this planet and several people on it. The evidence of contact is staggering. If you've made a real attempt to research the subject (and a real attempt means hundreds of hours) and you don't think anyone is visiting us, it's time to see a neurologist.
Lastly, a piece of advice in terms of what I believe our mindset should be regarding the research of this subject: Focus less on the UFOs themselves and focus more on who/what is inside those crafts.
Anyone who says anything definitive about the subject (eg. "we KNOW X,Y,Z") is someone to be avoided. The more one researches, the more complex and nebulous the subject becomes. Intellectually honest people who study the phenomenon will freely admit this.
I believe the Word of God and believe these are fallen angels.
As prophesied, the Book of Enoch was sealed up to the time of the end and revealed exactly at the time it was needed, which was right after Roswell and right before the NWO established Israel as a mockery of the Most High.
If wikipedia has any legitimacy on this subject, there is no mention of Book of Enoch being revealed in 20th century, but mentions it has been known since the first Bible was compiled, but not included for several reasons.
Wikipedia indeed mentions the Dead Sea Scrolls, which included intact copies of the Book of Enoch and were discovered exactly when I said they were.
What you fail to realize because you obviously know little about this subject is the Roman Catholic Church removed the Book of Enoch from the canon and essentially removed it from mass awareness for over 1000 years, just as they prevented the common folk from reading the Bible in their native languages. It wasn't until the Reformation and the Gutenberg printing presses that the Bible went worldwide.
That's why I said there is no mention of Book of Enoch being revealed ("un-sealed"; clearly known long before) in 20th century (sometimes I wonder about reading comprehension of people on here). Your statement that Book of Enoch was revealed after Roswell appears to be complete nonsense is all I'm pointing out. But I don't want to get in a shouting match here. As long as you don't vote for Democrats, I'm glad to have people like you around :)
Scholars argued the Book of Enoch was illegitimate and it was unavailable for the common people to read until after the discovery of the Dead Sea scrolls.
Directly from the shitty Wikipedia-
Various Aramaic fragments found in the Dead Sea Scrolls, as well as Koine Greek and Latin fragments, are proof that the Book of Enoch was known by Jews and early Near Eastern Christians.
And from the same Wiki article linked above, the scholars used to claim the following before the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls proved them wrong.
It was no longer possible to claim that the core of the Book of Enoch was composed in the wake of the Maccabean Revolt as a reaction to Hellenization.
In other words, scholars claimed the Book of Enoch was written sometime between 167–141 BC, which would have meant it was a forgery.
Where I wrote "revealed exactly at the time it was needed" in my original post, I could have written something to the effect of "revealed to be legitimate and not a forgery at exactly the time it was needed," but with less clumsy language, of course.
Ok, I see where you got the "revealed" from. But it is only clarification of when/how Book of Enoch was composed, not when the text was available and understood.
If you weren't a scholar, you likely weren't reading the Book of Enoch until after the discovery of the Dead Sea scrolls.
Also, until those texts were discovered, it was impossible to have a complete copy of the Book of Enoch. The Ethiopians preserved most of it but the Dead Sea scrolls provided the rest of it.
The aliens are demons crowd are bible extremists and, unfortunately, flock to this kind of forum to push push push their views. This was also the case on voat.
It’s good to read your points which I agree with completely. In broad terms it covers all but tells the truth: we know very little. We live in an extraordinarily narrow slice of perception that hopefully will be broadened (soon..)
It's so frustrating (and fascinating), GM. I've been researching this subject heavily for 30 years and I feel like I know less now than I did when I started.
Q's answer to this was something like "Consider the size of the universe".
Since there's effectively an infinite number of habitable solar systems the chances of there being NO other civilisations is vanishingly small (zero). So those, which are sufficiently advanced, are surely able to overcome the time/distance barrier to visit us.
Therefore, having never seen a UFO personally, and based purely on logic, I say that ETs exist and are on (or in) earth now. They are part of the reason why The Plan is taking so long.
Also worth noting that what we call "God" is not an old fellow with a long beard - it's conscious energy. Every atom of the entire universe (and beyond) consists of spinning vortices of conscious energy. At the correct spin frequency and direction, these vortices combine to make apparently "solid" matter. So God is in us and around us. Effectively, we are "God" and "made in His image".
The most widely sourced ancient document in history, with more sources than Homer (Illiad), and foundation of two of the greatest religions in history, and likely trillions of adherents. Yeah that old book. ;)
You might not believe that he exists or said it, but the person I was replying to does. Your snarky comments are not particularly relevant to what I was conveying to him.
But we don't know how many universes there are! There could be an infinite number of universes out there, but they are too far away for light to have reached our universe, yet :)
The Drake equation endeavors to estimate the number of dynamic and intelligent lifeforms in the Milky Way galaxy by examining the likelihood of any communication from outer space. It is also the argument that tries to find the number of extraterrestrial civilizations in the alien world. By trying to answer the mystery of intelligent life in the vast universe, the equation consists of many variables. These variables are explained below.
N = R • fp • ne • fl • fi • fc • L*
N= is the quantity of dynamic civilizations in the Milky Way cosmic system with perceptible electromagnetic discharges.
R*= considers the rate at which stars are shaped that are appropriate for the presence of intelligent life
fp = this variable builds up the likelihood of such stars that could have a planetary system
ne= this is the quantity of planets that have an appropriate domain to help life, per nearby planetary group
fl = is the portion of reasonable planets where life can show up
fi= is the fraction of life-bearing planets on which advanced civilizations with intelligence can exist
fc= the fraction of intelligent life and civilization that has developed technology that can be detected in space to alert on their existence
L= the period length of which such intelligent civilization can release detectable radial signals in space
I honestly believe that these strange paranormal events are related, and I also believe that only some of us can experience them. For example, I've seen multiple "UFOs" in three different states, I've experienced two haunted houses, and as a kicker I've even experienced two different episodes of terror/loss of sound while alone in remote forests in ne Washington state.
My personal theory is that we live in one of multiple overlapping realities that occasionally let things bleed through into our reality.
Check out missing 411 or the facts how to hunt on YouTube, both have story after story of weird personal experiences
Sorry about the YouTube link but there are strong arguments on both sides. My personal belief is that it’s real. Either way, God will help us through everything there is to come.
My point of view, Biblical based…the “UFOs” are demonic apparitions. Show up on radar and do a 90 degree turn at Mach 15? Organic life doesn’t withstand those forces.
2nd, the “Rapture”, when it occurs, Will impact everyone remaining, obviously. So in order to further obfuscate the Truth of scripture, satan will disguise the event as an alien or climate occurrence. satan is aware of scripture, and has plenty of humans to assist in “building the narrative” of mass alien abduction, or a planet “destroying its attackers”…”Mars was once a thriving planet….”
Back in the 80's, my brother and I went to all sorts of UFO symposiums and lectures. One thing a speaker said has always stayed at the forefront of my memory. I'm sorry I cannot recall the guy's name. He had a book out and was a UFO researcher. He said, "A lot of abductees lived in haunted houses."
Because we had this obsession with UFO's and happened to live in a haunted house as children, we looked at each other in a bit of shock when he said that; it brought the whole idea too close to home. Are ghosts and ET's related? Demons maybe? Or just other dimensional entities? Our dad was negative RH. Is this why we thought we might have ET influence? I've always wondered.
At the same general time, my brother had a roommate who claimed he saw a UFO flying over the apartments they lived in which was in a pretty big city in Kansas. I was highly skeptical because it seemed too convenient, bro and I into UFOlogy and this guy Happens to see a UFO in this populated area? Not only was he claiming he saw one, but he was also claiming he experienced missing time. Soon I was convinced he was making it all up. He said, "I have an interview with some MUFON people." I'm thinking, 'Yeah Right, sure ya do!' Then a few days later he said, "They're going to come over and hypnotically regress me." Now I thought maybe the investigators Were real and this guy wasn't making things up. As it turns out, there really was a MUFON investigation and they came to the apartment and proceeded to do a hypnotic regression on this guy. I insisted they let me stay and I would observe their regression because after all I was a UFO nut.
They did let me stay and watch. It was the most amazing experience. I guess this man really did have an experience. I learned from the MUFON people that there were numerous sightings on the same date in question, as well as a report from a nearby town that a grey was reported standing outside someone's sliding glass door. Then They had missing time. The MUFON people told me if they followed up on every report within the 4 state area, it would be a full time job, however both of them were professionals (they were both social workers) who did MUFON stuff on the side.
Also, my ex and I saw a UFO in the late 80's while camping. It was late and we were drinking, but we definitely both saw it. I remember saying to my ex, "Think it's an UFO?" He said "I don't know". We watched as this bright blueish white light silently came towards us and just as it got directly overhead, it just went out, disappeared. There was no outline of a craft or any sound. It was just gone. When we went back to our tent, it seemed a couple hours later than we thought it was, but again, since we were drinking, it's up for debate what happened.
Once I had children, on vacation one time we were driving past Garden of the Gods in Colorado. It was dusk and my oldest son was about 7 or 8 at that time. (This would have been 1996 or 97).As we drove past that park, my son gasped and said, "Momma I just saw some aliens standing around a rock!" I looked over and I saw nothing. I figured it was my fault for being a UFO enthusiast and he was just projecting or something. But he did go on to describe that they were wearing long robes and there were 3 or 4 or them he said. Nonetheless, I really didn't believe him. However, the next night we were driving home back to Kansas and we were listening to the Art Bell show. He mentioned that there were over a thousand UFO sightings in the Colorado Springs area the night before! As I type this I'm getting goosebumps. I no longer thought it was my son's imagination after hearing that. I think children can sometimes see stuff we cannot see.
The "lights" described as you have, out in the woods amongst trees, and reported by many others, are not alien craft, but have been associated with the Sasquatch phenomenon.
No. What we "know" about Sasquatch could be written in a couple of paragraphs. They can "cloak" themselves mysteriously, and there are photographs and video of this, where they somehow imitate the background and/or appear to let light pass through them. They can also travel from location to location by passing through some sort of dimensional portal. These have been photographed as well, and a couple of unsuspecting hikers unwittingly walked through portals -- then backed out quickly. They can be seen walking, without leaving tracks. They can make a single footprint appear in a location with no others nearby.
I say the above to somewhat answer the question. It is theorized that Sasquatch can also travel as these lights that have been seen in areas with Sasquatch sightings. The lights move intelligently. Also, there are a handful of sightings where the Sasquatch were seen "holding" the ball of light against their chest, or observing lights where the beings were previously seen.
The psychic capabilities of Sasquatch are well-documented, far, far beyond what humans might be capable of.
I have extensive notes transcribed from the most interesting sightings, in an effort to learn more about this.
I sit under the stars In My hot tub 3-4 times a week after a run. Really dark where I live.
More often that not I will see something moving in the sky that I know is not a satellite or plane. They just move differently.
Don’t know what it is. Could be space force? Aliens? Weird lighting affects?
Once I saw two objects that appeared to be chasing each other. The object in front got really bright and disappeared.
Try it.
People usually never spend time looking at the sky at night without a lot of light around.
FYI...I made a post to this thread summarizing some things most people aren't aware of with respect to your OP. Nothing inflammatory or any links. Mods deleted it.
We are not alone, and aliens have visited Earth for a long time. (See, "Nephilim references in the Bible)
Alien civilizations are both "Good" and "Bad"; that is they are polarized as we are. Some want to use us as slaves, and others are trying to help. This is a reflection of their own relationships between their own version of white hats and black hats.
Our view of physics has been corrupted and limited in the same way as other fields of knowledge, hiding from us the spiritual realms in an attempt to enslave us using a materialistic world view. This means that the "laws" of physics are woefully incomplete. For example, we think that the speed light is a hard limit that effectively isolates us from far distant civilizations. We will find that there are ways to transcend that limit. What is the speed of consciousness?
There is a broad swath of YouTube channels that claim connection to these alien civilizations, and their content parallels (or matches exactly) the issues that we see playing out here. The contention on those channels is that the conflict we are seeing is a reflection of an ongoing conflict between these alien civilizations; this conflict is playing out on Earth, which is currently a major battleground of that conflict. (We are like the citizens of Europe during WWII - with only limited visibility into the real extent of the conflict around us)
Like us humans, these aliens are eternal spiritual beings, and have a relationship with God -- some are "angelic" and some are "demonic"
The Revelation is about this time, and the battle is playing out in Heaven (and outer space) as it is on the Earth.
No sauce for this... It is intuited, through the "fog of war" from years of curious investigation into all sorts of "crackpot" ideas.
Yes and because of it I realized how far governments and powerful people can go when it comes to successfully hiding the truth. From a young age I had a major interest in the universe and also alien life. But I always followed mainstream science as a good boy, so I was literally shocked when I discovered the mountain of evidence being hidden from us.
Assuming Darwinian Evolution to be true (which I don't), the appearance of Carbon based life form appearing was a highly unlikely event. And it took roughly 11 billion years to do it. Certain physical parameters had to be met in order for Carbon based life to appear (Star formation, Galaxy formation etc...). To say that there is ANOTHER "more advanced" life form out there stretches the Darwinian mechanisms too far. Now we wan't to say a more advanced life form appeared by purely natural, unguided, physical processes somewhere else in the Universe?? In LESS time than it took Carbon based life to form?? So now, Darwinian Evolution has happened twice??
Sorry, not enough time in the Universe's life to accommodate that. This is my Natural Philosophy argument for no Advanced Aliens.
What bothers me most about this kind of perspective is that it is very 'human focused' where, by definition, life around another sun would develop a very different perspective on similar lines.
Modern humans have really only existed for ~75k years (might vary depending on where the line is drawn) where dinosaurs went extinct about 65 million years ago. If that track had shifted to where dinosaurs would have carried on towards a human-type evolution path, they might have had a human-level society that could be ~60 million years old.
So, frankly, I don't see it as 'impossible' for life somewhere in the galaxy to have evolved 1-2 billion years earlier.
Besides, our understanding of "science" is, let's just say, ridiculously limited. Less so our understanding of what consciousness even is, let alone what it can do and where it can even thrive, so to speak.
There could well be hyper-advanced living beings capable of living joyfully upon the surfaces of stars but our self-imposed logical / intellectual limitations and "boxes" would never as much as be able to comprehend such beings, let alone come to terms with how they even live and whatnot.
We, as a culture, live in a bubble, and most don't even realize it (until it's far too late).
On consciousness; I've always been drawn to the interpretation of quantum physics that the 'observer' is required for the waveform to collapse. Which would mean that the universe could not exist other than as potential without a consciousness observing. Normies tend to oppose that view because the origin of science was to be able to explain the world without appealing to God.
The next facet would be what other lifeforms evolved on other planets would look like; beyond some general assumptions based on life on earth and its variety, there's very little that could be any certainty. What I mean is that we can generally assume that life would follow similar traits (animal, vegetable, or microbial) and that they would be roughly symmetrical. Beyond that would be guesswork, we can't know how life would evolve differently on a planet with more Oxygen, water, gravity, etc...
Most that go about speculating on alien life tend to focus on humanity as the primary success and extrapolate that other life on other planets would evolve similar traits when that's all human-focused projection.
I think the timeline we've been taught is whack. They're finding hammers, wagon wheels, and metal pots deep in the earth "where they shouldn't be" according to narrative. It supports major cataclysm burying ancient civilization. It debunks a lot of layers-mean-years theory. There are questionable surfaces that possess prints of creatures from different alleged eras. People go out of their way to destroy these a lot of times. They are the gatekeepers. The keepers of the know. Secret enforcers.
Oh, absolutely. The 10-12000 year modern history seems to fit far more. Frankly, humanity has been unchanged for at least that 50k-75k years, which at the least implies that there's no real reason why a civilization of comparable technology could have been built and rebuilt from scratch. Nothing genetically should preclude that.
Until that gets established as an equal unknown or estimate, it's generally safe to assume that MSM version.
tall people mating with tall people can create taller people. That is much different than a creature crawling out of the soupy mix and developing eyes to see without knowing there was anything to look at.
They wouldn't "know" there's something to look at and that wouldn't influence evolution anyway. It's all random. When DNA replicates and am offspring is produced to create new DNA, sometimes random errors happen or change. Think like birth defects, except those are negative things and are detrimental to the new individual's survival. But if one of those random errors birthed an individual who had a beneficial "error" to them when they're surviving and let's them reproduce more, they pass on their "errors" more than other regular individuals. Since this living thing has an advantage in surviving and reproducing, eventually their "errors" will flood the population with this new trait. The thing is, when you're talking about like fish walking out of the water, it's all incremental changes over millions and millions of years to get there. You should check out the lung fish. It's technically a fish, but instead of gills it has primitive lungs and even some small legs. It's a prime example of the fish starting to change where after millions of years, their incremental changes are truly reshaping the animal from a full fish to one that has lungs and breathes air and can move slightly on land. But evolution in the end is random, and not all random changes are beneficial for the organism.
Dog breeding is actually evidence of intelligent design. The breeder is doing the selection. Not nature. And the process is anything but random or unguided. On the contrary, the mind behind the whole process (breeder), is guiding the entire process from start to finish.
Furthermore, the end result, no matter how many times you cross breed, is a dog.
Adaptation within a species is not evidence for speciation across species.
I enjoy the comments from people who assume extraterrestrial life follows physics as we understand them in our current state of advancement. Because we can’t do it or fathom how, it’s not possible. Beyond narrow thinking. I believe ET has been here for a long time (Ancient Astronaut Theory) probably still hanging around to monitor us. Plus we’re probably the Wall Drug of this corner of the galaxy…
Myself , my forecaster and the operations tower saw something very strange in Rota, Spain, where I was stationed in the Navy. My rating was Aerographer's Mate (weather support for pilots).
One night while on duty I was out making a observation when I saw a large ball of light to the NE of the runway. Another smaller ball of a different color slowly lowered from the larger one. One was red and one was blue but I can't recall which was which as this was 1990-ish.
We called the tower to as what was going on over there and they said they were about to call us to ask if we had some weather experiment running to the NE. It was the strangest thing any of us ever saw. These were literal "balls". Not just bright lights.
I actually reported this phenomena on my official weather observations sheet because I saw it as a reportable threat to local fight ops. It exists somewhere I am sure.
Yo this is exactly what I saw too! One large white light, followed by a trailing, slower, red light. And they moved slow at first, and then, did some warp-jump shit into nowhere. But that wasn't even the wildest part, the wildest part was that these lights, and I don't know how else to put this, were acting like you'd expect someone with LIFE and CONSCIOUSNESS and INTELLIGENCE to act.
As I said in my main post; these things are far, far beyond any rational explanations that our minds can ever hope to conjure in here.
The Eceti Stargate channel has videos of lights in the sky and Peter Maxwell Slattery always has videos of flying lights. Both those channels say there good and bad alien life.
I was interviewed by an enormous Reptilian alien during a lucid dream because of something I did a couple years ago. He was very aggressive and angry, and assaulted me astrally — worst pain of my life. They police our planet very closely and carefully, and probably guard all the exits, if you catch my drift. There are also good aliens, but they seem to have a more hands-off approach compared to reptiles.
Also aliens walk among us, and they can read our minds like a book.
I stopped lucid dreaming and trying to astral my project due to some creepy experiences as well. I was trying to pop out of my body (never succeeded) and before I did I saw a bridge and an ominous hooded figure on it. Noped right out of there and never tried again.
We are being visited by alien beings. I'm pretty sure the grey aliens are real and that we have the small greys and tall greys. The small greys seem to be a work force for the tall greys.
There are most likely other species visiting us as well. Some have good intentions, others have bad intentions and some are probably more neutral.
Looking at our human DNA there is evidence that modern humans were created by an outside intervention in our genetic make-up. Aliens might be responsible for creating us.
Some say that the human race was seeded by benevolent alien groups, but that the Annunaki, who come from Planet X or Nibiru found our planet and tried to claim it for themselves and humans were turned into a workforce for the Annunaki.
Saw one about 15 years ago. It was a bright green orb about the size of a small car traveling about 200 feet above the road. It started accelerating and then stopped mid air where it turned into a glowing red ball for a few seconds and then disappeared.
I’ve always had a theory too that if aliens look even remotely like us in terms of body shape, number of eyes / limbs (the stereotypical greys) I find it way more likely that they are humans from the future. I mean heck even on our own planet we get things like sea cucumbers and jellyfish which don’t look like living creatures at all but are. Why would living beings from another planet look like humans.
I believe the orbs are living. If not, then interfaced
This is correct to the T.
They speak in a clicking sound
You're the first person on here who's even mentioned this, and I agree with you 100%. Why I agree with you would be too controversial to reveal on here, but, let's just say that you're ridiculously on point in this case without even realizing it (I'm guessing).
Too controversial? You got my curiosity peaked. Feel free to dm me if you feel uncomfortable posting publicly, I won’t repeat it. That is if you feel comfortable dm’ing a rando.
I have seen several UFOs over the years. Mostly in Switzerland and one in Brazil. Definitely super advanced crafts. One of my most impressive sightings i even posted at NUFORC.
Regardless of that, however, I expect this to be one helluva juicy thread. UFO and Alien encounter stories are all over the place in our world...just way too stigmatized as "crazy", "woowoo" or whatever. So, finally seeing more and more people talk about this openly and fearlessly in threads such as these gives me tremendous hope for our future (both as advancing humans, and as interdimensional / multidimensional / hyperdimensional / transdimensional species-in-the-making.)
We've been hanging out with aliens at least since Roswell as one of the Ebens was alive when we got to the wreckage... We kept him for a few years before he died.
Then there's the entire alternate history of the Nazi's, Antarctica and anti-gravity saucers and their unchecked display of power the day they flew over DC as a big middle finger to Americans and the POTUS.
Then there's Corey Goode, David Wilcock, Emery Smith, Jason Rice, David Adair (if anyone disbelieves David Adair, they're just in denial) and all of their insane stories that are very compelling.
There's so much more going on than people know. I personally believe Q is primarily about Disclosure but we must first take out the establishment that's withheld this knowledge since they got their hands on it.
EDIT: But honestly, what's just as interesting to me are the stories of inner-Earth and the civilizations that are alleged to live there. Crazy shit.
Then there's the entire alternate history of the Nazi's, Antarctica and anti-gravity saucers and their unchecked display of power the day they flew over DC as a big middle finger to Americans and the POTUS.
That’s the first I’ve heard of that. I’ve read stories of ufos disabling military missile silos. When did they allegedly fly over dc?
Whatever became of the news that the “intergalactic federation of planets” (or something like that) had made contact with the US and Israel? I assume now it was code but at the time it was comical, and very Star Trek-ish…
There are many different organizations that go under varying names and such. The Galactic Federation, The Federation Of Light, The Federation Of Worlds, The Galactic Confederation, The Intergalactic Council, The Ashtar Command, The Cosmic Overseers, The Confederation Of Planets In Service To The One Infinite Creator, and The Great White Brotherhood; amongst others.
I know for a fact we have ludicrously advanced tech ranging from AI to lasers to Nanotech to FTL capable craft.
I also know aliens are real and have been with us for a very long time reaching an apex when we detonated the first nukes.
There are UFOs. No doubt. Too many have seen them and they can't all be dismissed rationally. But I don't know what they are.
I have always suspected that after decades and trillions spent on R and D, we have stuff. More than simply better versions of what we already had in the 40s. Different stuff.
Pouring in from the southern boarder unchecked.
Unidentified Foreign Offenders
Unprotected From Our (firearms)
Demons/ hybrid nephilim demonhumans
Agreed and would add multidimensional (just my opinion)
Yep exactly
Spot on...
Agreed. Prophecy Watchers ministry is a great place to start if anyone here wants to look into this.
Skywatch TV is also a good Christian resource that’s doesn’t shy away with this subject.
Agreed!
No all aliens are malevolent so what are good aliens like the Essessani - angels?
The bad ones are angels too, satan is an angel who turned to evil, and took 1/3 of the angels with him
Bad people can appear good if they want to, for short periods at least. Longer, if it really suits their plans.
demons can appear as an angel of light.
you think fallen angels wouldn't play double agent? There are no good aliens, it's the Hegelian dialectic as far as that goes. Good aliens have bad aliens cause issue, good aliens step in to "save" mankind, mankind is screwed and enslaved. Sounds similar to what the cabal is doing 'eh?
you lot live in too much of a fear vibration.
Aliens are gods creatures too. Some good some bad. How arrogant do you have to be to think humans are his only children...
Humans and the angelic host being children of God, that is correct-- aliens, have to disagree with you on that sparky.
ET’s are Celestial beings, aka “angels,” and “fallen angels,” (and some think there are also ET entities known as “servants,” but these aren’t angels, but a lower class of beings). The angels (good ones and the bad fallen ones) are also called beni’Elohim. Demons (not angels or fallen angels) are the wayward spirits of the deceased offspring of the fallen angels and human women, Genesis 6. Yes, the beni’Elohim are technically very advanced. The Bible has a lot to say about this if you want to take the time to do some deep divide study, plus the books of Enoch.
Why is this stickied?? UGH. Get it out of your systems, bois. UAP MEGA-THREAD.
Real reason... Our most sold Q researchers have some solid indications that the "UFO scare" is what's next. So, hoping that gets discussion in this thread, too.
Bravo, catsfive. I think this is an important, related subject. As a student of this topic, I would assert that the modern national security state exists specifically due to this phenomenon. (For those curious, look at the National Security Act of 1947 and correlate that with certain events).
I firmly believe that those who take a deep, open-minded look at this subject will have a strong appreciation for how the UFO/contact phenomenon has led to the out of control intelligence community that we have today.
Thank you for sticky-ing this, CF.
Doing my evening scrolling and saw this had 177 comments. Made me chuckle. I love this community
THE WHOLE THING IN A NUTSHELL---
Obviously we can't be alone in this vast universe. It's not even worth discussing.
But all the lights, saucer shapes, cigar shapes, bell shapes, acorn shapes and triangle shapes have been set-ups for a Blue Beam type hoax panic event.
They thought we would all be marching together in lockstep by now, and would believe they were telling us at least some semblance of the truth from time-to-time.
That's not working for them, but they can't do anything else....
Definitely something out there. Now whether its ETs or demons or maybe us from the future, I don't know. I do know that this subject has always fascinated me. Its like I had no choice in believing, I just do. Same thing with Jesus.
It's all of the above.
Fallen angels (demons) and humans playing God
Grays are defo us from the future i think. Transhumanized at least. Cloned into reproductive oblivion.
I'm more apt to believe in interdimensional visitors rather than interstellar ones because... math.
Everyone's here using all of them big ass scientific words while I'm just here looking to clap dem alien cheeks...
...just kidding, I'm about to call up my geometry teacher and ask her where's the actual useful stuff like stuff about the 5th Dimension and shit.
I was approaching from an angle of feasible travel distance. Perhaps intergallactic wormholes are a thing but, if not, point to point for some of these alleged origin points is just insane for the amount of time it would take to get here or there, not even considering the concept of a revisit.
They could be using interdimensional travel techniques for interstellar travel :-) . What those might be are beyond me, but if I get drunk enough, I'm sure I could make a few up :-p
It's not about traveling faster, or further.
It's about traveling smarter.
Now, let's all do our part to reduce our galaxy's hydrogen footprint. It's all about universal cooling. In the long run, you're gonna need that hydrogen. Hydrogen tax credits anyone??
You universal cooling kooks need to cut it out with all of your hydrogen footprint shit.
I have a green new deal, it involves limitless and infinite energy from black holes. We'll start with the one in AOC's head.
We need to stop suns from farting and do something about those racist white dwarves
I mean it is feasible to think that we humans are causing universal warming too. I mean we are such wasteful polluting creatures that we have the power to change the temperature of the Earth and the entire universe with our gluttony for those methane producing cows. We probably have an entire planet somewhere just for raising more cows to produce more methane to raise the temperature. We better spend everything we have to reduce universal warming. And if that doesn't work we can just change from communism to environmental protection. Because it is easier to create new government overreach departments when we do so under the guise of global, I mean, universal warming.
Global warming: that's just us getting a head start on reversing the heat death of the universe!
I had read a theory that any aliens that we do meet are probably related to us somehow if it is just interstellar vs interdimensional stuff. Because an ancient spacefaring civilization would have spread out colonizing different worlds with humanoids over time like millions of years as the civilization disintegrated all the children would be cut off from the other child colonies. But when we meet an ‘alien’ it could be a distant cousin. As opposed to meeting some other alien evolved independently which would likely be much farther away and not reachable compared to possible ‘cousin’ aliens.
I admit, I used to be a young earth creationist but researched myself into other theories because I couldn't keep my mind in a box. Humanity's history is so much greater than the limited choices presented to us. Research Dr Robert Schoch, age of the Sphinx. Research only one heiroglyph ever discovered in the great pyramid and was done so by a guy needing a discovery to keep recieving funding. Research polygonal masonry of Peru and how masonry of later cultures was inferior. Research Goebekli Tepe age and how older work is inferior to later work. Research Trilithon at Balbek Research Gunang Padang Research Egyptians in Australia and the bulldozed pyramid Research ancient underground cities Research quality of granite and diorite egyptian statues versus the heiroglyphic marks upon them Research younger dryas era cataclysm Research Ooparts This is but a scratch on the surface. There is so much more.
It seems every civilization has their flood story and their savior. Personally, I believe these saviors/educators were remnants of an established worldwide civilization but to each their own interpretation of the evidence.
You will find countless artifacts have gone missing or have been destroyed in an effort to gatekeep the history of man and our cataclysmic cycles of civilization rise and fall. Here are some good starts with treasure troves of information: History Mystery - channel UnchartedX - channel Magicians of the Gods- book America Before - book Bright_Insight - channel Jahannah James - channel Brien Foerster - channel
I've been at this for years and it's a conversation most aren't ready to hear.
Interesting stuff, I’ll take a look. Thanks
The Earth still has a molten interior. If it was really billions of years old, there would no longer be internal heat. When I took intro geology 45 years ago, this was explained as "radioactive decay results in the heat", but we know that the Earth's interior is nickel/iron, or some high-density metal that is devoid of radioactive elements. The radioactive elements are in the Earth's continental crust, and the continental crust, comprising only about 30% of the Earth's surface, is a very thin skin compared to the diameter of the Earth, and can not come close to generating the amount of heat still in the Earth. Another interesting thing is that there are deep, incised canyons extending several miles deep along the east coast of the U.S. These are clearly water-carved canyons, meaning that the ocean basins were essentially dry in the past. I remember years later, in an oceanography class, the submarine canyons were explained as caused by turbidity currents, but any rudimentary understanding of erosion processes prevents that explanation from being remotely seriously considered. I believe there are many other interesting facts about the Earth that are contrary to the established dogma of a billions of year old Earth, among other things, but my memory isn't good enough to recall without Google :)
Randall Carlson has a lot of good insight and evidence on cataclysmic terraforming.
"Tesseract" should be a good start. ^^' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7wqbdEDeW8
Simple math would tell you that it's impossible to be alone in such a vast universe -- the observable universe alone.
This does assert that we understand the existence and creation of life well enough to account for it in an equation. Evolution assumes that if you throw a big enough of number into a RNG life simulator you eventually get Life, but that seems to be a theory not a law. It could also be said that the Universe is created for Mankind to explore and grow into, a specially created multi-dimensional "bubble" created by God for us to play in, like a level in a Video game.
"Simple math" doesn't say a thing about it. If you make up a formula, and then make up numbers to go in it, it will say whatever you wish.
The "math" I've seen says that there's almost zero possibility that there's another planet similar to Earth in the universe.
Actually, it is almost impossible for there NOT to be planets like Earth out there somewhere.
But they are too far away to have this discussion.
Exactly,
Q was asked "are we alone"
not "do aliens visit earth?"
Q's reply was "consider the vastness of space"
Now consider the "wow signal"
the bible makes no mention of other planets, aliens. That does not mean they don't exist. God could have other things going on besides our planet and it is His business. If He wanted us to know he would tell us. He does tell us there are no other gods besides Him, He knows of none. Mormons have a believe in an infinity of planets, each with their own god. Just sayin
Do we know what was left out of the Bible?
Might I recommend a reread of Ezekial with an open mind?
Nope.
Wrong.
it's like, the law of total probability, bro
We know of Earthlike planets nearby on a stellar level.
Math you've seen says that they are rare. These planets like we have are not the norm, nor are single star systems for that matter.
If you think we are so tremendously special when there are over 100 billion STARS alone in our expected galaxy you are not really capable of rational thought.
Sort of Earthlike, but not nearly close enough.
You can plan out a complicated billiard shot with mathematical precision, but if the cue ball is slightly out of round, you're screwed.
It's not just the current state of Earth that's important. It's the exact state of the Earth throughout its entire history so far. All of those one-in-a-trillion conditions multiply out to near impossibility of duplication.
As an Aspie, I'm certainly capable of rational thought, and I have sorted through much more information than most people will ever be aware of.
Read more. That might help.
That's not the issue.
The issue is how could any beings "out there" ... get here?
But you know they would have lights on the outside of the vehicle so they can see where they are going!!
But that's not really the initial question? The initial question is other life in the universe. It's a resounding impossibility that there isn't.
Whether they have broken known physics enough for long distance space travel is a different question entirely.
Think more Quantum than basic physics when it comes to time, dimensions, space folding etc.
Well..."Strange" Incidents on Mount Shasta.... The mountain is believed to be one of the seven sacred peaks on earth. Shasta’s legends include those about UFOs, aliens, angels, spirit guides and adepts.
Several documented cases of alleged encounters include the following:
1904: J.C. Brown, an explorer for a British mining company, reported that he discovered a cavern in the side of the mountain that held a giant skeleton with hieroglyphics on its walls.
1932: Edward Lanser sighted a clan of people garbed in white robes with a vast amount of gold that was living on Shasta’s higher elevations.
1934: Abraham Mansfield said he met a tribe of Lemurians who had dug tunnels connecting Mount Shasta with the Bluff Creek region.
1972: A San Jose man sighted a reptilian hominid. Others saw dwarfs, hairy humanoids and white-robed giants.
It is California, after all :)
Just recently NASA employed quite a few theologians across different denominations to get an idea on how the world would react to first alien contact. Why? I think you would have to be naïve to think we are on our own. In saying that though, we have been watching many videos on the possibilities that the elite have hidden great discoveries for their own benefits and not humanity. Energy for one. Cures for another. It would seem with what has gone before us that we are living off dregs and these elite, via WORLD FAIRS, have spoon fed small small ‘discoveries’ at these fairs to keep us appreciative and no more. ‘Something happened’ WORLDWIDE that was so catastrophic that much of this technology was lost. If we take the elites word and believe we as a humanity are getting more sophisticated, more knowledgeable, as each year passes, then we have to face the fact that we have been lied to.
Why are there skills, technologies that even today we cannot duplicate? How did a primitive man create structures that today are impossible to replicate? If the population say in Moscow can build buildings in late 1700s and up to mid 1800s with a population of around 500,000 which we are told was the rough population at the time, how did they do it? There just wasn’t the population to build these structures which involved lifting huge blocks of stone into place, way more heavier than any crane today could lift. How did they transport these building pieces? Look at the world fairs! The amount of glass used in just ONE ‘crystal palace’ needed a team of ? to complete 500 panels of glass PER DAY to complete the task in just 4 months. Where did the materials come from let alone how did they transport it? Horse and cart? All these world fairs had something in common. They were temporary structures and they mysteriously burnt down when they closed and NONE turned a profit. Look at what we know of as cathedrals. Look at the statues carved from marble. No sculptor today can carve examples of veins, toenails, hair, gossamer head coverings so fine that it’s almost transparent. Sculptors today do not have the tools or skill to work the marble like what we see in ‘the old masters’. They have x-rayed one of the Masters paintings, I think it was the Mona Lisa. Or one of the most recognised paintings and the paint techniques used is impossible today. They do not have the technology to create paint today that is so thin, it’s translucent. These paintings are built up with many layers of this thinness to get to the end result.
Once you go down that rabbit hole it’s creates more questions with not many answers. Why Star Forts? Why spires so high on buildings and what was their purpose? Why is there always a water source close to the Star Forts. Why do these buildings have enormous doors and the insides are cavernous? What happened worldwide that buildings were enveloped in mud that covered at least one story? Liquefaction of the ground? A MUD FLOOD as many have named it. Why are there RECORDED insane asylums worldwide around that time that can hold up to 10,000 patients at a time and in some cities, this is just one building and there are many this size. Then the orphanages where once again, thousands of children were taken to. The orphan trains recorded across the world. Something happened but like today, history is being wiped or the elite are social engineering it away. It would seem the world had some form of electricity 100 years before recorded. Think of Tesla’s technology. Was it alien technology? All I know is that there was a GREAT RESET mentioned 200-300 odd years ago and again the elite are pushing for another GREAT RESET.
They employ theologians for the same reason they employ artists: to find the sweet spot where people will believe the fantasy that they create, before they release it.
Some of the videos we have watched state (and the Bible is full of details) that at one time giants inhabited the earth. Could it have been them that built these magnificent structures because the height and cavernous appearance would suit someone of that statute (mass). Even to stand the doors would take a mammoth effort to steady it while placing the hinges. One interesting theory was put forward that the magnificent churches right round the world were INHERITED by the church, not built by them. Why would a newly settled area build a church of mammoth proportions for a handful of people? The greatest need would be for homes for those arriving, water, food crops etc. And where did the material come from and how was it moved? Lots of questions. 😀
God also flooded the Earth because there was such bad stuff going on. Who knows what kind of tech they had at the time of Noah? Could be all kinds of hybrid beings, etc. Stuff like sx w/ anials has been illegal for a long time also. Could be there is something possible there beyond being disgusting.
There has also been question of where Goliath came from, being in an age post-Noah.
The destruction of Atlantis. But that was, as far as I understand it, approximately 12,000 years or so ago. On another note, you would absolutely love the 'Law Of One' materials (in case you haven't read them already). Free to download and read I believe.
I'm in the Law of One camp as well. It explained everything so thoroughly and elegantly that for the first time I felt like I had found real answers to all the mysteries I had been captivated by since I was a child. UFOs, alien encounters, near death experiences, confirmed cases of reincarnation, hidden history, ancient advanced megaliths, all the senseless evil and dysfunction in the world, it all makes perfect sense now.
Check out The Hidden Hand (2008) and Eracidni Murev Te (2018) if you haven't already - both are interviews with cabal insiders who give a more readable and up to date view about what's going on with humanity, the latter even predicted the shitshow we're in now. Spoiler alert: the best is yet to come.
Reminds me of the Bhagavad Gita
The law of one is just pantheism. This is not a new concept. Look at Hinduism.
I’m still trying to get my head around Tartaria! 😳😀. Thanks for that! In the last decade and especially in the last 6/7 years, you just cannot disregard anything because it doesn’t fit with what we have been taught. We have been lied to. Over and over and over. I have watched videos where the buildings - castles are illuminated beyond imagination. Moving walkways with ladies in long flowing gowns reminiscent of the 1700s. Buildings so glorious that have been locked away for 200 years with artwork that is so high up and precarious that to even lay on your back and paint, the detail and precision would be impossible to maintain over any timeframe. The hand sketched aerial views of the star forts, including vegetation placement in colours, cannot be duplicated in this detail even with modern photography. People have to understand that the population and talent was sparse even to find people with that gift if we are to believe what we have been told.
Seen the richat structure?
Project Blue Beam. Kek.
https://allthatsinteresting.com/project-blue-beam-serge-monast
Yep. I suppose their greatest worry would be worldwide panic. This will probably happen anyway. I would like to know what is in Antartica. Why have leaders around the world, including Bishops from the Vatican have visited there? I’m in Australia and on the days after 45 won the election, John Kerry visited there. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/john-kerry-lands-antarctica Why? And 5 Eyes involve US, Australia, NZ, UK and Canada. This spy network was used in the election fraud and Q mentions it often. If you read of Admiral Richard E Byrd who explored Antartica, it is RUMOURED that he flew over an area which was tropical in appearance. It was all documented. There is a video on it. But just like anything the elite don’t want you to speak about, they ridicule and strip away any paths that threaten THEIR narrative.
World wide panic seems to be just what they want though.
That’s exactly the plan.
Imagine “aliens are already here plotting against us and walking among us. The only way to find them is mandatory DNA testing”
The UFO disclosure that will happen has been planned for over 70 years. We have a lot of the technology for that sort of flight already according to former designers at Lockheed and more. Basically the US Navy is working w the CIA to try and roll out the idea of an “Alien Threatt” so they can monopolize on the fear and rollout
Look at To The Stars Academy for a CIA Backed operation
Outside of that there really are UFOs - the public won’t ever get the truth about them. They don’t come from worlds away - they come from between realities permeating through multiverse. There are Many manner of them from benevolent ones to demonic.
Are there any satellites that map the earth and share everything openly without editing? If not, we should ask Musk to make one.
Most of us are ready for aliens now tbh. We all know how mich Gov has lied for years even normies, and it probably wouldnt even make much of a shake up tbh.
Same reason they ran a sim on a plandemic before they ran the Covid psyop.
I don't believe in aliens. But if they did exist, I don't believe they would be visiting us. But if they were visiting us, I don't believe it would be for any beneficent reason.
However, I do believe governments will use any tool in their toolbox to take advantage of .. the tools. Project Bluebeam (which I have not studied) and no doubt others have been developed so the government can pull that little tool out whenever it wants / needs to and further terrorize and enslave the people it supposedly serves. My 2 cents.
Dunno why but for some reason this made me spit out my drink.
Word would get out that there is a planet full of food for species to harvest and we'd be turned into a farm, losing millions per year.
Why not? Look at Star Trek. Wouldnt you watch curiously if you found a super rare example of complex life forms in the universe? WHy would you first instinct be to destroy them especially when they havent even reached space travel level yet?
Did you heard about the Zimbabwe ufo landing story ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TukvVnadRic
Ford Prefect is just a character in a book :)
Off context but doesn't 'First Contact' sound a whole lot like an euphemism for losing one's virginity?
...for an extra-sensory experience?
My take is:
-We're definitely being visited by another intelligence and have been for quite some time. Whether they're beings from another planet or something extra-dimensional, or us from the future etc etc, I don't know.
-Anyone who says anything definitive about the subject (eg. "we KNOW X,Y,Z") is someone to be avoided. The more one researches, the more complex and nebulous the subject becomes. Intellectually honest people who study the phenomenon will freely admit this.
-There are signs that multiple different groups/species/etc are visiting us.
-I will cautiously say that some seem to be benevolent and some seem to be hostile. I am very, very suspicious of the high profile researchers who push the "light and love/space brothers" meme. These people are either clueless or outright pushing disinfo. Far too many signs that at least some "groups" are hostile to us at worst, and view us as little more than insects at best.
-NO, THEY'RE NOT DEMONS. Yes, demons exist but no, these beings aren't demons. If you're one of those people pushing the "all aliens are demons" nonsense, I'll give you 50 lashings with a wet noodle and probably slap your belly with a wet trout at least once, maybe twice.
-I will also cautiously state that I believe the bulk of the knowledge about this phenomenon is now concentrated in the private sector and not the government/military. A lot of signs that this is the case, and it makes sense when you consider the question of classified documents versus intellectual property. Much easier to keep the latter secret over the long term.
-I am highly suspicious of the pentagon and certain branches of the military's newfound semi-openness about the subject. There is an agenda behind every bit of information that they release.
-No rational, critical thinking individual who makes a genuine attempt to seriously research this subject can walk away thinking that there isn't an intelligence in contact with this planet and several people on it. The evidence of contact is staggering. If you've made a real attempt to research the subject (and a real attempt means hundreds of hours) and you don't think anyone is visiting us, it's time to see a neurologist.
Lastly, a piece of advice in terms of what I believe our mindset should be regarding the research of this subject: Focus less on the UFOs themselves and focus more on who/what is inside those crafts.
They may not be ALL demons. But some of them may be demons. And by demons I just mean evil beings.
When life gives you demons...
...make...er...demon-ade???
No, throw some holy water on them and use an angel blade. Holy fire for good theatrical effect too.
I believe the Word of God and believe these are fallen angels.
As prophesied, the Book of Enoch was sealed up to the time of the end and revealed exactly at the time it was needed, which was right after Roswell and right before the NWO established Israel as a mockery of the Most High.
Guess I'm going to have to go noodle and trout shopping tonight.
I believe in the word of God as well. But I believe God's grandeur is far greater than just planet earth.
If wikipedia has any legitimacy on this subject, there is no mention of Book of Enoch being revealed in 20th century, but mentions it has been known since the first Bible was compiled, but not included for several reasons.
Wikipedia indeed mentions the Dead Sea Scrolls, which included intact copies of the Book of Enoch and were discovered exactly when I said they were.
What you fail to realize because you obviously know little about this subject is the Roman Catholic Church removed the Book of Enoch from the canon and essentially removed it from mass awareness for over 1000 years, just as they prevented the common folk from reading the Bible in their native languages. It wasn't until the Reformation and the Gutenberg printing presses that the Bible went worldwide.
That's why I said there is no mention of Book of Enoch being revealed ("un-sealed"; clearly known long before) in 20th century (sometimes I wonder about reading comprehension of people on here). Your statement that Book of Enoch was revealed after Roswell appears to be complete nonsense is all I'm pointing out. But I don't want to get in a shouting match here. As long as you don't vote for Democrats, I'm glad to have people like you around :)
Scholars argued the Book of Enoch was illegitimate and it was unavailable for the common people to read until after the discovery of the Dead Sea scrolls.
Directly from the shitty Wikipedia-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Enoch
And from the same Wiki article linked above, the scholars used to claim the following before the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls proved them wrong.
In other words, scholars claimed the Book of Enoch was written sometime between 167–141 BC, which would have meant it was a forgery.
Where I wrote "revealed exactly at the time it was needed" in my original post, I could have written something to the effect of "revealed to be legitimate and not a forgery at exactly the time it was needed," but with less clumsy language, of course.
Ok, I see where you got the "revealed" from. But it is only clarification of when/how Book of Enoch was composed, not when the text was available and understood.
If you weren't a scholar, you likely weren't reading the Book of Enoch until after the discovery of the Dead Sea scrolls.
Also, until those texts were discovered, it was impossible to have a complete copy of the Book of Enoch. The Ethiopians preserved most of it but the Dead Sea scrolls provided the rest of it.
They come out at night....mostly
lol that gave me a good chuckle. Thank you.
Game over man game over!
;)
The aliens are demons crowd are bible extremists and, unfortunately, flock to this kind of forum to push push push their views. This was also the case on voat.
It’s good to read your points which I agree with completely. In broad terms it covers all but tells the truth: we know very little. We live in an extraordinarily narrow slice of perception that hopefully will be broadened (soon..)
It's so frustrating (and fascinating), GM. I've been researching this subject heavily for 30 years and I feel like I know less now than I did when I started.
Great reply!
Q's answer to this was something like "Consider the size of the universe".
Since there's effectively an infinite number of habitable solar systems the chances of there being NO other civilisations is vanishingly small (zero). So those, which are sufficiently advanced, are surely able to overcome the time/distance barrier to visit us.
Therefore, having never seen a UFO personally, and based purely on logic, I say that ETs exist and are on (or in) earth now. They are part of the reason why The Plan is taking so long.
Also worth noting that what we call "God" is not an old fellow with a long beard - it's conscious energy. Every atom of the entire universe (and beyond) consists of spinning vortices of conscious energy. At the correct spin frequency and direction, these vortices combine to make apparently "solid" matter. So God is in us and around us. Effectively, we are "God" and "made in His image".
Then everything else is made in his image too, and he went out of his way to say it about humans alone and nothing else.
According to an old book written by men.
The most widely sourced ancient document in history, with more sources than Homer (Illiad), and foundation of two of the greatest religions in history, and likely trillions of adherents. Yeah that old book. ;)
https://carm.org/about-the-bible/manuscript-evidence-for-superior-new-testament-reliability/
You might not believe that he exists or said it, but the person I was replying to does. Your snarky comments are not particularly relevant to what I was conveying to him.
But we don't know how many universes there are! There could be an infinite number of universes out there, but they are too far away for light to have reached our universe, yet :)
Literally the Drake Equation.
The Drake equation endeavors to estimate the number of dynamic and intelligent lifeforms in the Milky Way galaxy by examining the likelihood of any communication from outer space. It is also the argument that tries to find the number of extraterrestrial civilizations in the alien world. By trying to answer the mystery of intelligent life in the vast universe, the equation consists of many variables. These variables are explained below.
N = R • fp • ne • fl • fi • fc • L*
N= is the quantity of dynamic civilizations in the Milky Way cosmic system with perceptible electromagnetic discharges.
R*= considers the rate at which stars are shaped that are appropriate for the presence of intelligent life
fp = this variable builds up the likelihood of such stars that could have a planetary system
ne= this is the quantity of planets that have an appropriate domain to help life, per nearby planetary group
fl = is the portion of reasonable planets where life can show up
fi= is the fraction of life-bearing planets on which advanced civilizations with intelligence can exist
fc= the fraction of intelligent life and civilization that has developed technology that can be detected in space to alert on their existence
L= the period length of which such intelligent civilization can release detectable radial signals in space
I honestly believe that these strange paranormal events are related, and I also believe that only some of us can experience them. For example, I've seen multiple "UFOs" in three different states, I've experienced two haunted houses, and as a kicker I've even experienced two different episodes of terror/loss of sound while alone in remote forests in ne Washington state.
My personal theory is that we live in one of multiple overlapping realities that occasionally let things bleed through into our reality.
Check out missing 411 or the facts how to hunt on YouTube, both have story after story of weird personal experiences
Prepare to be...mindfoxed. Mindfluked. Mindflunked.
I'm sorry I meant MINDFUCKED.
Easily one of the most fascinating+intriguing+entertaining paranormal stories I've ever read in my entire life, no hyperboles there.
Thank you, I thought I had read or heard of most all popular paranormal stories but this one is new to me!
There is only one reality.
That is the definition of reality: Everything that exists.
Our perceived reality vs actual reality
Demons. And a way to explain the Rapture.
Rapture's not Biblical, at least the interpretation that it happens before the second coming of Christ.
You are correct. The concept of secret rapture before the day of judgement didnt even exist before the 1800s.
https://youtu.be/L3OeduDI3As
Sorry about the YouTube link but there are strong arguments on both sides. My personal belief is that it’s real. Either way, God will help us through everything there is to come.
My point of view, Biblical based…the “UFOs” are demonic apparitions. Show up on radar and do a 90 degree turn at Mach 15? Organic life doesn’t withstand those forces.
2nd, the “Rapture”, when it occurs, Will impact everyone remaining, obviously. So in order to further obfuscate the Truth of scripture, satan will disguise the event as an alien or climate occurrence. satan is aware of scripture, and has plenty of humans to assist in “building the narrative” of mass alien abduction, or a planet “destroying its attackers”…”Mars was once a thriving planet….”
It doesn't have to. The antigravity engines effectively nullify the effect of inertia so that passengers barely feel motion.
Back in the 80's, my brother and I went to all sorts of UFO symposiums and lectures. One thing a speaker said has always stayed at the forefront of my memory. I'm sorry I cannot recall the guy's name. He had a book out and was a UFO researcher. He said, "A lot of abductees lived in haunted houses." Because we had this obsession with UFO's and happened to live in a haunted house as children, we looked at each other in a bit of shock when he said that; it brought the whole idea too close to home. Are ghosts and ET's related? Demons maybe? Or just other dimensional entities? Our dad was negative RH. Is this why we thought we might have ET influence? I've always wondered. At the same general time, my brother had a roommate who claimed he saw a UFO flying over the apartments they lived in which was in a pretty big city in Kansas. I was highly skeptical because it seemed too convenient, bro and I into UFOlogy and this guy Happens to see a UFO in this populated area? Not only was he claiming he saw one, but he was also claiming he experienced missing time. Soon I was convinced he was making it all up. He said, "I have an interview with some MUFON people." I'm thinking, 'Yeah Right, sure ya do!' Then a few days later he said, "They're going to come over and hypnotically regress me." Now I thought maybe the investigators Were real and this guy wasn't making things up. As it turns out, there really was a MUFON investigation and they came to the apartment and proceeded to do a hypnotic regression on this guy. I insisted they let me stay and I would observe their regression because after all I was a UFO nut. They did let me stay and watch. It was the most amazing experience. I guess this man really did have an experience. I learned from the MUFON people that there were numerous sightings on the same date in question, as well as a report from a nearby town that a grey was reported standing outside someone's sliding glass door. Then They had missing time. The MUFON people told me if they followed up on every report within the 4 state area, it would be a full time job, however both of them were professionals (they were both social workers) who did MUFON stuff on the side. Also, my ex and I saw a UFO in the late 80's while camping. It was late and we were drinking, but we definitely both saw it. I remember saying to my ex, "Think it's an UFO?" He said "I don't know". We watched as this bright blueish white light silently came towards us and just as it got directly overhead, it just went out, disappeared. There was no outline of a craft or any sound. It was just gone. When we went back to our tent, it seemed a couple hours later than we thought it was, but again, since we were drinking, it's up for debate what happened. Once I had children, on vacation one time we were driving past Garden of the Gods in Colorado. It was dusk and my oldest son was about 7 or 8 at that time. (This would have been 1996 or 97).As we drove past that park, my son gasped and said, "Momma I just saw some aliens standing around a rock!" I looked over and I saw nothing. I figured it was my fault for being a UFO enthusiast and he was just projecting or something. But he did go on to describe that they were wearing long robes and there were 3 or 4 or them he said. Nonetheless, I really didn't believe him. However, the next night we were driving home back to Kansas and we were listening to the Art Bell show. He mentioned that there were over a thousand UFO sightings in the Colorado Springs area the night before! As I type this I'm getting goosebumps. I no longer thought it was my son's imagination after hearing that. I think children can sometimes see stuff we cannot see.
The "lights" described as you have, out in the woods amongst trees, and reported by many others, are not alien craft, but have been associated with the Sasquatch phenomenon.
I love Sasquatch! But this was overhead in the moonless sky.
Are you taking about fox fire? I’m unfamiliar with lights in relation to Sasquatch.
No. What we "know" about Sasquatch could be written in a couple of paragraphs. They can "cloak" themselves mysteriously, and there are photographs and video of this, where they somehow imitate the background and/or appear to let light pass through them. They can also travel from location to location by passing through some sort of dimensional portal. These have been photographed as well, and a couple of unsuspecting hikers unwittingly walked through portals -- then backed out quickly. They can be seen walking, without leaving tracks. They can make a single footprint appear in a location with no others nearby.
I say the above to somewhat answer the question. It is theorized that Sasquatch can also travel as these lights that have been seen in areas with Sasquatch sightings. The lights move intelligently. Also, there are a handful of sightings where the Sasquatch were seen "holding" the ball of light against their chest, or observing lights where the beings were previously seen.
The psychic capabilities of Sasquatch are well-documented, far, far beyond what humans might be capable of.
I have extensive notes transcribed from the most interesting sightings, in an effort to learn more about this.
Interesting I will check into it further.
Interesting you mention RH negative blood type, I read somewhere that this blood type is more likely to experience UFO / haunting types of encounters.
I've heard that too.
I sit under the stars In My hot tub 3-4 times a week after a run. Really dark where I live. More often that not I will see something moving in the sky that I know is not a satellite or plane. They just move differently. Don’t know what it is. Could be space force? Aliens? Weird lighting affects? Once I saw two objects that appeared to be chasing each other. The object in front got really bright and disappeared. Try it.
People usually never spend time looking at the sky at night without a lot of light around.
You’d be surprised at what you will see.
Nailed it on all 3/3. Kudos!
I do this too. Ever see the blip flashes that tend to occur in the same area?
Yep I think it happens nightly it just that people dismiss the sky and if your not tuned in you would probably miss it anyway
When ever someone says hot tub all I can think of is....Hot tub time machine!
FYI...I made a post to this thread summarizing some things most people aren't aware of with respect to your OP. Nothing inflammatory or any links. Mods deleted it.
Over the target?
Damn. Talk about alienation.
I believe:
We are not alone, and aliens have visited Earth for a long time. (See, "Nephilim references in the Bible)
Alien civilizations are both "Good" and "Bad"; that is they are polarized as we are. Some want to use us as slaves, and others are trying to help. This is a reflection of their own relationships between their own version of white hats and black hats.
Our view of physics has been corrupted and limited in the same way as other fields of knowledge, hiding from us the spiritual realms in an attempt to enslave us using a materialistic world view. This means that the "laws" of physics are woefully incomplete. For example, we think that the speed light is a hard limit that effectively isolates us from far distant civilizations. We will find that there are ways to transcend that limit. What is the speed of consciousness?
There is a broad swath of YouTube channels that claim connection to these alien civilizations, and their content parallels (or matches exactly) the issues that we see playing out here. The contention on those channels is that the conflict we are seeing is a reflection of an ongoing conflict between these alien civilizations; this conflict is playing out on Earth, which is currently a major battleground of that conflict. (We are like the citizens of Europe during WWII - with only limited visibility into the real extent of the conflict around us)
Like us humans, these aliens are eternal spiritual beings, and have a relationship with God -- some are "angelic" and some are "demonic"
The Revelation is about this time, and the battle is playing out in Heaven (and outer space) as it is on the Earth.
No sauce for this... It is intuited, through the "fog of war" from years of curious investigation into all sorts of "crackpot" ideas.
The evidence is beyond ridiculous.
When I started researching this I was shocked to find how much good info there is on the subject!
Yeah I beat that topic to death years ago it's got stupid evidence and I mean that in an intelligent way
Yes and because of it I realized how far governments and powerful people can go when it comes to successfully hiding the truth. From a young age I had a major interest in the universe and also alien life. But I always followed mainstream science as a good boy, so I was literally shocked when I discovered the mountain of evidence being hidden from us.
Assuming Darwinian Evolution to be true (which I don't), the appearance of Carbon based life form appearing was a highly unlikely event. And it took roughly 11 billion years to do it. Certain physical parameters had to be met in order for Carbon based life to appear (Star formation, Galaxy formation etc...). To say that there is ANOTHER "more advanced" life form out there stretches the Darwinian mechanisms too far. Now we wan't to say a more advanced life form appeared by purely natural, unguided, physical processes somewhere else in the Universe?? In LESS time than it took Carbon based life to form?? So now, Darwinian Evolution has happened twice??
Sorry, not enough time in the Universe's life to accommodate that. This is my Natural Philosophy argument for no Advanced Aliens.
The existence of Demons, however....
What bothers me most about this kind of perspective is that it is very 'human focused' where, by definition, life around another sun would develop a very different perspective on similar lines.
Modern humans have really only existed for ~75k years (might vary depending on where the line is drawn) where dinosaurs went extinct about 65 million years ago. If that track had shifted to where dinosaurs would have carried on towards a human-type evolution path, they might have had a human-level society that could be ~60 million years old.
So, frankly, I don't see it as 'impossible' for life somewhere in the galaxy to have evolved 1-2 billion years earlier.
Besides, our understanding of "science" is, let's just say, ridiculously limited. Less so our understanding of what consciousness even is, let alone what it can do and where it can even thrive, so to speak.
There could well be hyper-advanced living beings capable of living joyfully upon the surfaces of stars but our self-imposed logical / intellectual limitations and "boxes" would never as much as be able to comprehend such beings, let alone come to terms with how they even live and whatnot.
We, as a culture, live in a bubble, and most don't even realize it (until it's far too late).
Excellent points, let me parse this a little.
On consciousness; I've always been drawn to the interpretation of quantum physics that the 'observer' is required for the waveform to collapse. Which would mean that the universe could not exist other than as potential without a consciousness observing. Normies tend to oppose that view because the origin of science was to be able to explain the world without appealing to God.
The next facet would be what other lifeforms evolved on other planets would look like; beyond some general assumptions based on life on earth and its variety, there's very little that could be any certainty. What I mean is that we can generally assume that life would follow similar traits (animal, vegetable, or microbial) and that they would be roughly symmetrical. Beyond that would be guesswork, we can't know how life would evolve differently on a planet with more Oxygen, water, gravity, etc...
Most that go about speculating on alien life tend to focus on humanity as the primary success and extrapolate that other life on other planets would evolve similar traits when that's all human-focused projection.
I think the timeline we've been taught is whack. They're finding hammers, wagon wheels, and metal pots deep in the earth "where they shouldn't be" according to narrative. It supports major cataclysm burying ancient civilization. It debunks a lot of layers-mean-years theory. There are questionable surfaces that possess prints of creatures from different alleged eras. People go out of their way to destroy these a lot of times. They are the gatekeepers. The keepers of the know. Secret enforcers.
Oh, absolutely. The 10-12000 year modern history seems to fit far more. Frankly, humanity has been unchanged for at least that 50k-75k years, which at the least implies that there's no real reason why a civilization of comparable technology could have been built and rebuilt from scratch. Nothing genetically should preclude that.
Until that gets established as an equal unknown or estimate, it's generally safe to assume that MSM version.
tall people mating with tall people can create taller people. That is much different than a creature crawling out of the soupy mix and developing eyes to see without knowing there was anything to look at.
They wouldn't "know" there's something to look at and that wouldn't influence evolution anyway. It's all random. When DNA replicates and am offspring is produced to create new DNA, sometimes random errors happen or change. Think like birth defects, except those are negative things and are detrimental to the new individual's survival. But if one of those random errors birthed an individual who had a beneficial "error" to them when they're surviving and let's them reproduce more, they pass on their "errors" more than other regular individuals. Since this living thing has an advantage in surviving and reproducing, eventually their "errors" will flood the population with this new trait. The thing is, when you're talking about like fish walking out of the water, it's all incremental changes over millions and millions of years to get there. You should check out the lung fish. It's technically a fish, but instead of gills it has primitive lungs and even some small legs. It's a prime example of the fish starting to change where after millions of years, their incremental changes are truly reshaping the animal from a full fish to one that has lungs and breathes air and can move slightly on land. But evolution in the end is random, and not all random changes are beneficial for the organism.
Good question.
Dog breeding is actually evidence of intelligent design. The breeder is doing the selection. Not nature. And the process is anything but random or unguided. On the contrary, the mind behind the whole process (breeder), is guiding the entire process from start to finish.
Furthermore, the end result, no matter how many times you cross breed, is a dog.
Adaptation within a species is not evidence for speciation across species.
Government says they are real. But we have no info on what communication has gone on, or what they are like. So there is not much to talk about.
Ah, yes. Let's believe our Government.
Q also mentions it.
He does but I think it was quite light on the details.
Of course they're not from Mars. They're from seti alpha 5!
I made this thread a while ago about UFOs and the Secret Space Program:
https://greatawakening.win/p/12hR2sPEl3/the-secret-space-program--where-/
It has some great documentaries that everyone interested in this subject should watch!
I enjoy the comments from people who assume extraterrestrial life follows physics as we understand them in our current state of advancement. Because we can’t do it or fathom how, it’s not possible. Beyond narrow thinking. I believe ET has been here for a long time (Ancient Astronaut Theory) probably still hanging around to monitor us. Plus we’re probably the Wall Drug of this corner of the galaxy…
You mean they're probing us all for... souvenirs? 😳😳😳
Exactly. Someone said they can't be here because "math."
Uh okay, so how does math explain portals, other dimensions and the "physics" therein, consciousness, anti-gravity, etc etc et fucking c...
Myself , my forecaster and the operations tower saw something very strange in Rota, Spain, where I was stationed in the Navy. My rating was Aerographer's Mate (weather support for pilots).
One night while on duty I was out making a observation when I saw a large ball of light to the NE of the runway. Another smaller ball of a different color slowly lowered from the larger one. One was red and one was blue but I can't recall which was which as this was 1990-ish.
We called the tower to as what was going on over there and they said they were about to call us to ask if we had some weather experiment running to the NE. It was the strangest thing any of us ever saw. These were literal "balls". Not just bright lights.
I actually reported this phenomena on my official weather observations sheet because I saw it as a reportable threat to local fight ops. It exists somewhere I am sure.
Yo this is exactly what I saw too! One large white light, followed by a trailing, slower, red light. And they moved slow at first, and then, did some warp-jump shit into nowhere. But that wasn't even the wildest part, the wildest part was that these lights, and I don't know how else to put this, were acting like you'd expect someone with LIFE and CONSCIOUSNESS and INTELLIGENCE to act.
As I said in my main post; these things are far, far beyond any rational explanations that our minds can ever hope to conjure in here.
Yes. They were just gone. Just like that.
The Eceti Stargate channel has videos of lights in the sky and Peter Maxwell Slattery always has videos of flying lights. Both those channels say there good and bad alien life.
I was interviewed by an enormous Reptilian alien during a lucid dream because of something I did a couple years ago. He was very aggressive and angry, and assaulted me astrally — worst pain of my life. They police our planet very closely and carefully, and probably guard all the exits, if you catch my drift. There are also good aliens, but they seem to have a more hands-off approach compared to reptiles.
Also aliens walk among us, and they can read our minds like a book.
I stopped lucid dreaming and trying to astral my project due to some creepy experiences as well. I was trying to pop out of my body (never succeeded) and before I did I saw a bridge and an ominous hooded figure on it. Noped right out of there and never tried again.
We are being visited by alien beings. I'm pretty sure the grey aliens are real and that we have the small greys and tall greys. The small greys seem to be a work force for the tall greys.
There are most likely other species visiting us as well. Some have good intentions, others have bad intentions and some are probably more neutral.
Looking at our human DNA there is evidence that modern humans were created by an outside intervention in our genetic make-up. Aliens might be responsible for creating us.
Some say that the human race was seeded by benevolent alien groups, but that the Annunaki, who come from Planet X or Nibiru found our planet and tried to claim it for themselves and humans were turned into a workforce for the Annunaki.
Well, the theory is that the Annunaki might still be here or that their offspring (they interbred with humans) are now the ones still ruling over us.
Saw one about 15 years ago. It was a bright green orb about the size of a small car traveling about 200 feet above the road. It started accelerating and then stopped mid air where it turned into a glowing red ball for a few seconds and then disappeared.
I’ve always had a theory too that if aliens look even remotely like us in terms of body shape, number of eyes / limbs (the stereotypical greys) I find it way more likely that they are humans from the future. I mean heck even on our own planet we get things like sea cucumbers and jellyfish which don’t look like living creatures at all but are. Why would living beings from another planet look like humans.
This is correct to the T.
You're the first person on here who's even mentioned this, and I agree with you 100%. Why I agree with you would be too controversial to reveal on here, but, let's just say that you're ridiculously on point in this case without even realizing it (I'm guessing).
Too controversial? You got my curiosity peaked. Feel free to dm me if you feel uncomfortable posting publicly, I won’t repeat it. That is if you feel comfortable dm’ing a rando.
I have seen several UFOs over the years. Mostly in Switzerland and one in Brazil. Definitely super advanced crafts. One of my most impressive sightings i even posted at NUFORC.
Would be nice if the top comments weren't about another topic entirely.
Sometimes the format of this forum really sucks.
Regardless of that, however, I expect this to be one helluva juicy thread. UFO and Alien encounter stories are all over the place in our world...just way too stigmatized as "crazy", "woowoo" or whatever. So, finally seeing more and more people talk about this openly and fearlessly in threads such as these gives me tremendous hope for our future (both as advancing humans, and as interdimensional / multidimensional / hyperdimensional / transdimensional species-in-the-making.)
We've been hanging out with aliens at least since Roswell as one of the Ebens was alive when we got to the wreckage... We kept him for a few years before he died.
Then there's the entire alternate history of the Nazi's, Antarctica and anti-gravity saucers and their unchecked display of power the day they flew over DC as a big middle finger to Americans and the POTUS.
Then there's Corey Goode, David Wilcock, Emery Smith, Jason Rice, David Adair (if anyone disbelieves David Adair, they're just in denial) and all of their insane stories that are very compelling.
There's so much more going on than people know. I personally believe Q is primarily about Disclosure but we must first take out the establishment that's withheld this knowledge since they got their hands on it.
EDIT: But honestly, what's just as interesting to me are the stories of inner-Earth and the civilizations that are alleged to live there. Crazy shit.
That’s the first I’ve heard of that. I’ve read stories of ufos disabling military missile silos. When did they allegedly fly over dc?
Whatever became of the news that the “intergalactic federation of planets” (or something like that) had made contact with the US and Israel? I assume now it was code but at the time it was comical, and very Star Trek-ish…
There are many different organizations that go under varying names and such. The Galactic Federation, The Federation Of Light, The Federation Of Worlds, The Galactic Confederation, The Intergalactic Council, The Ashtar Command, The Cosmic Overseers, The Confederation Of Planets In Service To The One Infinite Creator, and The Great White Brotherhood; amongst others.
This is my favorite (not being sarcastic). Checkmate atheists!
I know for a fact we have ludicrously advanced tech ranging from AI to lasers to Nanotech to FTL capable craft. I also know aliens are real and have been with us for a very long time reaching an apex when we detonated the first nukes.
There are UFOs. No doubt. Too many have seen them and they can't all be dismissed rationally. But I don't know what they are.
I have always suspected that after decades and trillions spent on R and D, we have stuff. More than simply better versions of what we already had in the 40s. Different stuff.