Why is this stickied? Yes, it's my own post. But, y'all have seen us mods post many high-effort posts from our top frogs over the past weeks. This is no different. Here goes.
Guys, a question for the community, here. I really want to get your feedback on something because I think we really, REALLY need to have a chat about some of the absurd things that so flippantly get said around here and that don't get challenged. Just as we do with our narrative-busting prowess (you guys are literally amazing), we need to ensure that many of the more conspiracy lunatic "dogshit" theories don't get bandied about so much that they pretty much slip into being "factual" without ever getting challenged.
A case in point is the theory that somehow the government is using the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP) to cause earthquakes around the world by bouncing energy off the ionosphere. This theory suggests that HAARP can manipulate the ionosphere, causing it to release energy in the
form of an earthquake elsewhere on the planet. However, there is no credible scientific research that supports this claim. That's not how HAARP started, or what it was used for. It was originally a project trying to communicate with deeply submerged submarines. That's it. That's how it started.
OK, so, "the government lies about everything," yeah, sure, but, the theory still can be examined scientifically. In order to understand the feasibility of this theory, we need to consider the technological steps involved. The first step would be to generate a high-frequency electromagnetic field capable of reaching the ionosphere. This field would then have to be focused in a specific location in order to cause the ionosphere to release energy in the form of an earthquake. There are currently no known technologies capable of generating such a high-frequency electromagnetic field with sufficient strength and precision to cause an earthquake. Is the assumption that this "beam" is not detectable by any other countries? And does only the USA have this, or can Russia, China, etc., also start their own HAARP programs, and start sending earthquakes our way?
Lastly, we have to try to appreciate just how much energy is released in an earthquake. Turkey experienced (roughly) two identical earthqukes that were 7.7 on the Richter scale. To put the energy budget into perspective, the Tsar Bomba, the largest nuclear weapon ever detonated, had a yield of 50 megatons of TNT (MT). This is equivalent to 50 million tons of TNT. However, earthquake that resulted from that explosion only reached 4.5 on the Richter scale.
In comparison, the earthquake in Turkey in 2011 was 7.7 on the Richter scale, making it nearly 70 times larger than the largest recorded earthquake from the Tsar Bomba. On that scale, the energy released by a magnitude 7.7 earthquake is estimated to be over 6,000 times greater than that of a magnitude 4.5 earthquake. To calculate the difference in energy, one can use the formula: Energy (in joules) = 10^(1.5 * (magnitude difference + 4.4)) where magnitude difference is the difference in magnitude between the two earthquakes. In this case, the magnitude difference between a magnitude 7.7 and 4.5 earthquake is 7.7 - 4.5 = 3.2, so the energy difference would be 10^(1.5 * (3.2 + 4.4)) = 10^(1.5 * 7.6) = 10^11.4 = 3.98 x 10^11 joules. This means that the energy released by a magnitude 7.7 earthquake is approximately 4 x 10^11 joules, which is over 6,000 times greater than that released by a magnitude 4.5 earthquake.
In other words, the TWO Turkey earthquakes both released more energy than 6,000 "Tsar Bombas." That's insane. I don't care WHAT theory you believe. If you cannot account for this energy budget, then you're 100% a fucking faggot.
So, we're to believe that HAARP somehow automagically transmitted a focused beam with the energy equivalent of 600,000 megatons of TNT across the planet to Turkey? And then sent that same amount of energy there again, resulting in a 7.7 Richter scale aftershock, THE NEXT DAY?? And that the entire operation was undetectable by everyone else on the planet (no warming the ionosphere, the beam was discrete and undetectable??). This is so ludicrous, I don't even know where to begin.
This is an absolutely MASSIVE energy budget, and, when spouting this potentially ridiculous theory, we need to at least have a basic understanding of what our 'conspiracy accusation' (that the gov't is sending earthquakes to other countries) requires to even remotely resemble a defensible theory!
This is literally ridiculous. But now this theory gets said casually as if it's a fact. So, to summarize, tell us again, how does it work?
HAARP sends an absolutely massive energy beam to the ionosphere. The beam can't be seen, felt, or detected or proven to exist by anyone.
The beam is somehow bounced off the ionosphere and the accurately focused on a specific point on earth. The beam leaves no detectable traces of its passage through the atmosphere, it interacts with the ionosphere in a 100% stealth way, detectable to no one, and it arrives and penetrates the ground in the target area, also completely stealth and undetectable
The ground absorbs the massive amounts of energy (over 600,000 megatons worth, PER 7.6 earthquake) and then, BAM! Earthquake
NATO member Turkey has no choice but to deal with (what will probably end up as) over 20,000 dead, and 50,000 injured, and yet, somehow, us 'conspiracy theorists' know it was a "government inside job" and yet Turkey doesn't say that, they don't protest the USA's actions, they don't take proof to the UN Security Council, they remain in NATO, they just go and clean up all the cities and say, "Whelp, looks like we got punked by the HAARP machine! Oh well!"
Honestly? Am I missing something? How do we even tolerate this, here, on an elite research board like GAW??
OK, so they say that HAARP sends "resonance waves." Great, OK, let's see some videos about how that works. Each step of this process, even if it is secret, should be able to be examined and confirmed to at least a believable level of confidence before proceeding. Can basic HAARP principles be seen in a lab? What do you think? I just feel we need to do better on shit like this!\
The HAARP power transmitted is 3.6 megawatts. About the power of 2 Diesel-electric locomotives. Enough for an earthquake? I don't think so.
The beam is absorbed by the ionosphere, not bounced.
No effects outside of the ionosphere.
This is tolerated on GAW because a lot of people here are ignorant of physics and the relevant technology, credulously listen to blowhards who are also ignorant of physics and relevant technology, and have a paranoid desire for the bad news to be true. They therefore adopt a "prove your innocence" attitude.
The energy is already present in earthquake zones. A weapon would only need to add enough energy to start the cascade of events leading to an earthquake.
Sure, I've considered that, but, OK, what's the energy budget we're talking about, here? And also, it's still energy that's bounced and focused off the ionosphere onto a specific spot, right? And the target country can't detect this?
One of the researchers that worked with HAARP searched for different stuff in the ground using frequencies. Like crude, nat gas, etc. At 30W. HAARP, per his word, uses upwards of 1 BIL Watts. Tesla proved he could take down a bridge using a discreet vibration. "Science" and data back all this up.
You won't get sauce because people here love to spout bullshit that sounds cool but in reality is just...bullshit.
This post should be permanently at the top of this page and should be required reading in order to create an account here.
The more retarded bullshit we post here, the more of a disservice we do to Trump. Period.
HAARP cannot cause earthquakes
There are no alien lifeforms living in the vax
The Grammys did not cause the earthquakes
There are no fucking medbeds
There are so many more idiotic posts that get traction here, I would die of old age if I had to list them all. We need to focus on reality or we will end up in a gutter being laughed at by everyone. Again.
Oh, neat. Now that Romania is saying this, this comment I made and was suspended for before I even had a chance to "cItE mY sOuRcEs" is good to go? Where's the dB mod that was oh so pissed that I made this comment in the first place? Fn homo.
There are many here that have been sucked into a vortex of "evil" government have magically mastered the universe. The governments have done terrible things and have done some bizarre "experiments". Yes Nikola Tesla used the resonant frequency of the Earth to induce a wave that bounced off the core (mostly iron) and reflected back to the surface. This wave was re-induced in phase with the reflected wave and added to the strength. Theoretically you could cause catastrophic damage to the planet. The resonant frequency of the world is approximately 8 Hz. There are harmonics that can be utilized that are multiples of 8 Hz, however these have extremely limited range in air. The ionosphere would not reflect this frequency, it would absorb it and dissipate it. The HF spectrum 2-30 MHz has a unique ability to refract off the ionosphere for Beyond Line Of Sight communications, but variations to the thickness of the F1 and F2 layers (due to solar energy) can vary which frequencies are absorbed and which ones can be refracted back to the earth surface. Typically, 2MHz-4MHz are routinely absorbed throughout the entire daylight hours, they do refract at night and MAY be used for BLOS communications. The idea of using ANY audio frequency or below (20Hz-20kHz) is ludicrous. These subsonic frequencies that would possibly cause a resonant building in-phase wave with the earth do not propagate well through air, but instead can propagate long distances in water and solid earth. We have science folks, not magic.
Thank you for doing the clear math and the graphic. Yes, it makes me crazy when commenters start to claim things like the Tonga volcano was comms and of course we can set off volcanoes, or earthquakes, with a nuke or a rod from God or a directed energy weapon. No. Even if someone could, why would they? Why would such a fantastic expenditure of energy be made? The only thing more ridiculous are the reasons given. Isn't it wondrous enough that we live on chunks of rock hundreds of miles thick that are floating on molten rock a thousand miles deep? Isn't it unsurprising that the process might get bumpy at times? I want to believe the best about people but honestly it seems like some of these comments are a special kind of troll.
Why would such a fantastic expenditure of energy be made?
Exactly. Here we are with some fucked up uber secret ray that can literally cause a fucking volcano to erupt and what do we do with it? Cause a fucking volcano to erupt in the name of 'Comms'? Are you fucking serious? If I had a ray that could do that, I would send out a coded message to all the white hats in DC to GTFO in 72 hours. And on hour 73, I would lay waste to Washington DC and in one fell swoop, drain the fucking swamp forever. Period. End of story. There would be no need for secret Comms or Delta Analyses ever ever ever again. And anyone with half a brain would know for a fucking FACT that this is exactly how it would play out if such a ray existed.
So yeah. We cannot control, cause, or influence volcanos, earthquakes, tornadoes, hurricanes, floods, tidal waves, or any other fucking weather.
We need to get our asses out of Star Wars and back into the real world.
However, earthquake that resulted from that explosion only reached 4.5 on the Richter scale.
The tsar bomba detonated ~2.5mi above the ground. I get what you're saying and I agree with you, but this is a terrible argument.
The Tsar Bomba released about 58 TWh of energy.
A typical 8.0 earthquake releases about 18.6 TWh, the 2004 Indian earthquake was 30.6 TWh and registered about 9.1-3.
Now, I don't believe that the HAARP system is inducing earthquakes, but if it were, it wouldn't need to deliver the full 12-14 TWh, as most of that energy is stored as tension in the fault. The HAARP would only need to nudge the fault to slip and release its tension.
The destructive power of HAARP is said to be in the generation of harmonic waves. I don't understand how it is focused, but I have read repeatedly that it can be focused anywhere in the planet, perhaps even into the ground as well as into the sky. The power of it has been likened to Tesla's "earthquake machine": https://mysteriousuniverse.org/2020/07/nikola-teslas-mysterious-earthquake-machine/ Whether or not the event attributed to this device ever happened, it is possible to develop incredible amounts of energy from a very modest standing wave. The Tacoma Bridge collapse is a prime example of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XggxeuFDaDU
This scientist claims that HAARP can set off earthquakes with 30 watts of power. He allegedly is an expert on using these waves in geological exploration, like locating gas or oil deposits: https://www.bitchute.com/video/yFjCazNIqtDC/
I have worked on seismic crews where we used "vibe" trucks and microphone bags to locate oil. It's so neat watching the helicopter pilot relocate the bags for us. Epic skill.
OK, I'm going to spend some time going through all this in the next couple days. I need to understand the basics of this theory. There are some pretty big holes, some pretty big "leaps," here. Thanks for this!!!
We have been fed the lie that brute-force energy is the only way to get things done. Oscillation, resonance and harmonics are more powerful than they want us to know.
Like the opera singer shattering a glass. It is sustained resonant frequency causing vibration which breaks apart molecule adherence. Like Royal Rife frequency machine break apart cell walls. Like that earthquake in Turkey, collapsed building structure walls. The question we must ask is, what science is actually Science since we have basically been LIED to about everything, why would we think anything the "controllers" state is Fact is in fact FACT. I say it is mostly just Fiction and we had better start search for TRUTH in everything. GAW converts in the past 20 years think FAKE news started since 2000. It's ALL FAKE NEWS.
No. We haven't been lied to about EVERYTHING. Otherwise, you would be part of it (right?). If nothing was true, our civilization would have never formed, because we depend on truth to sustain our technology and economy. The key is to discriminate between lies and truth. And in order to doubt what you are told, YOU HAVE TO BE EDUCATED IN THE SUBJECT. I shout only to emphasize that holding up bogus conspiracy theories because one has paranoid suspicions of scientific developments is the reaction of fearful ignorance. All it takes is some know-nothing snake oil salesman to get your paranoia all keyed up over something you don't understand, be it HAARP, CERN, nuclear technology, or space travel.
But we ARE part of it. In Fact we ARE the WHOLE of it. This entire existence is only here because we observe and believe it is here. After all, each of our Realities or Truths, is only a reflection of what we each Believe. Our little minds process, interpret, store, and then project the Truth we experience, created by our beliefs of what is TRUE in the first place. So if because of your beliefs, you only experience the reflection of reality that you Believe is possible (resonate with, have the same vibration as, are on the same wavelength with) , then you will only ever find PROOF that confirms your bias (belief) Hence, what is THE truth. Is there a TRUTH, truth? Or are we in fact writing and acting in our own movie. To BE or Not to BE.
I started my career in munitions...to learn that reality will go "boom" despite what my preferences might be. Science is the act of finding the truth, despite our wishes about it. It is not just a long, dreamy ride through the land of bias confirmation.
Thank you. The crystal healing style nonsense some GAW posters makes me borderline blackpilled about the ongoing reliability of this site. Glad some sanity remains.
Don't need to be trained in anything to work out the logic, that 4 guys with box cutters cannot realistically hijack an airplane with over 300 people on board.
In your imagination. All it takes is the demonstration of one bloody death, and 300 people are effectively trapped in seats that do not permit free movement. Especially when the prevalent indoctrination is that it is better to acquiesce to highjackings (as they only go to refuge nations).
You are an excellent example of an ignoramus thinking he knows it all.
to me fake news started when Kennedy was assassinated. That is where my memories go back to. Today I am so tainted by fake news that I really have a hard time trusting anything they pushed on us since then.
There’s another poppycock theory. If opera singers could shatter glass it would be a common parlor trick and there would be videos everywhere. In reality, the human vocal tract cannot generate enough energy nor focus it finely enough to shatter a glass.
Name the last singer to do it.
Mythbusters did it. It was extremely challenging, but with the help of a rock singer and a lot of practice finding the correct frequency they pulled it off.
Sauce: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr3gWpxuJxE
Edit; 2:40 ish into the vid a singer does it
LOL Poppycock. I like that word. But no, it is not "common" because it isn't just one note. The resonant (amplitude) frequency must be a match to the resonate frequency of the "glass" of which there are many types and thickness of glass/crystal, and then once matched it must be held at that resonance to create harmonic oscillation which can break adherence. This is quantum and it is usually by "accident" however; in earthquakes, this is what can cause liquification of rock, ground, and I suppose it is also what can allow the passing through of one "solid" object through another. Like walking through a wall. If all is "light, vibration and frequency" as Tesla was able to show, why would any of this proposed Science be Poppycock.
When we are told "this is FACT" and it becomes the basis for our beliefs, then we have just "LIMITED" our ability to experience anything outside of that paradigm. That is why "the end will not be for everyone" or "4-6% lost forever" because they will not be able to "resonate with Truth that their very eyes, ears, nose, etc are experiencing. (Religious Dogma being a Belief as well) That can then "shatter" your mind. Shutdown.
So its okay, call it Poppycock. Your brain, your mind, does not know what can't BE, until you convince it of what Can't BE. You see your Divine Light Code (DNA) is able to pull infinite inspiration directly from Divine Source and that is why the DNA and the ability to "LINK" must be destroyed. I KNOW we are a race of Hue Man and we have the ability to access infinite knowledge and potential and this TRUTH they have LIED to us about, because the Dumber we Believe we are, the Dumber we BECOME. We collectively are creating this SHITHOLE we are experiencing by our inability to "think NEW THOUGHTS". So try being a Scientist, and clear your mind, think of something you have never allowed yourself to believe possible, and hold that thought, vibrational alignment, resonate with it everyday for 17 days. I think you will find that the reality reflected back at you will then present you with PROOF of your New thought. LOL I have to stop now.
Brilliant, I also think that's closer to what is supposedly happening, but, you'll for sure agree that it's a LOOOONG way away from explaining "earthquakes from ionospheric energy" eh?
Yes, OK, but, just saying that shouldn't automatically preclude the emergency of a coherent, reasonably explainable theory of what exactly is happening, is my point.
Anyway, I'm late to the party (night shift time zone) but I'll add my 2 cents worth.
An earthquake releases stored energy. It can be triggered by a simple stream of water that lubricates two underground rock faces. There was a big hoohah in the UK about this when fracking triggered a small earthquake in the Midlands area.
The amount of energy required to trigger an earthquake therefore can be tiny.
Exactly how the HAARP antenna array could trigger an earthquake - only those involved in the projects know. I can't guess.
The HAARP antenna array certainly has the "steering" capability: the antenna phases can be altered to focus energy anywhere within visual range.
The original Russian "woodpecker" used pulsed radio frequency to achieve whatever it was designed for. (Top secret but probably weather modification.) By using line-of-sight microwave frequencies, the possibility of picking up the transmissions on an ordinary radio receiver (as per "woodpecker") is eliminated. Detection of microwave transmissions (afaik) is possible only within the beam.
Earthquakes are often preceded by "lights in the sky". I don't know when this was first observed but it's well documented. Microwave pulses aimed at the ionosphere could certainly ionise the air and produce "lights".
Don't be confused by the term "electromagnetic". Think of a microwave oven. It focuses a microwave energy beam on the turntable. If the beam is very narrow, it can be effective over a great distance (think "laser"). The HAARP array extends over a large area; the greater the width, the narrower the focus. (Think satellite TV dish.)
I'm an electronics engineer - think OLD - experienced (and modest, too!). I've dealt with high frequency equipment. Microwave energy reflects off surfaces. It can reflect off atmospheric layers. I can certainly believe that technology exists, which could trigger an earthquake. I was a teenager when I listened to the "woodpecker" on my vacuum tube radio. The Russians, Chinese and Americans have had six decades to work on this technology.
The idea of resonance should not be dismissed. If a powerful energy beam is pulsed at the Schumann frequency and aimed (or reflected) at the Earth, I can imagine that bad things could happen. It might be worth looking at this page when an earthquake occurs:
https://in5d.com/todays-live-schumann-resonance-charts-and-resources/
I just bought "Angels don't play this HAARP - Advances in Tesla Technology".
(You can get a free PDF copy if you know where to look.)
I once worked on and operated the radar system for SM1 and SM2 missiles. One of the radars was in the microwave range of frequencies and did as precisely you stated.
Be aware of the patent pushers. There are many patents related to HAARP and every other fantastic scheme. I had a friend who patented a means for gathering energy from black holes. Having a patent doesn't mean it works or exists, but it's a favorite "proof."
"Be[ing] aware of patent pushers," suggests that a patent existing for something is "not good evidence." On the contrary, it is excellent evidence. Getting a U.S. patent is not easy. If you successfully get a patent, it suggests that it is at least plausible within the context of sound principles of engineering.
I agree that such "excellent evidence" is not sufficient evidence to meet the burden of proof of "beyond a reasonable doubt" for something working or existing, but that doesn't make it not excellent evidence.
You can patent anything in the USA, even a perpetual motion machine. (but it has to come with a working model)
It has to come with a proven tested model, so it's a little more stringent than you suggest.
The patent approval process is not easy. It takes quite a bit. That doesn't mean that everything patented works, or that "a patent makes it true," but it does suggest that it is at the very least determined plausible by someone who has, at a minimum, a B.S. in the field of applicability of the device in question (electrical engineering for an electronic device, chemical engineering for a chemical device, etc.). In addition, if the device is "extraordinary," the patent process requires proof of work. If it is really extraordinary, it requires independent testing.
It's far from a perfect process, and I think there is a great deal of fuckery in there. I have seen evidence of both promoting things that don't work to purposefully cause "conspiracy theories" (most "crazy" conspiracy theories are created by the C_A as a form of controlled opposition), and purposefully not granting patents on things that do work for the purposes of highjacking real advancements.
You may be able to patent almost anything, but you can't just "get a patent." In addition, the more unlikely the product, the more likely the product was created by the government (or an affiliate), either as part of a black ops project, or for the reasons stated above.
As to perpetual motion...
A device that is filled with uranium surrounded by rocks to absorb (most of) the energy that creates heat is a "perpetual heating" device until you understand nuclear physics. A device that puts out more energy than it takes in is absolutely possible, including a device that requires zero energy input, and produces effectively unlimited energy. Such a device could work from now until the end of time if it say, took energy from the universe itself. Our current physics models state that what we call matter is just energy, but they also suggest there's a whole lot of energy in between all that "matter" stuff as well. On top of this "quantum vacuum energy", the universe seems to be on a course of accelerating expansion. Where is the energy coming from for that? No one knows. Presumably it's coming from some where, which means our concepts of "what the universe is" are likely missing something very important.
Regardless of the possibility or impossibility of a "perpetual motion device" (which is, I suggest, just a poor choice of words), if someone were to come up with a device that seems to draw energy from an unknown source, it would almost certainly not get a patent because the patent office, or rather the final determinant of the patent office, the National Bureau of Standards (now the NIST) was created by John D. Rockefeller (or rather, his agents) in 1901. This system was designed specifically as a gatekeeper for all technology. This ensured that no advancements would ever happen without the approval of the one and only corporation that exists in the world, built by John D. Rockefeller.
The owner of all energy (oil, coal, gas, nuclear, solar, etc.) would hardly want a device that produced "unlimited energy," thus any device that supplied such would be nipped in the bud post haste, if it existed.
"Evidence" of what? That someone had a bright idea that was superficially plausible? Certainly not evidence of anything that is in practice or is workable. I have nine patents. One of them came from work that did result in a working model, but the patent examiners knew nothing of it.
Certainly not evidence of anything that is in practice or is workable.
I stated that ""excellent evidence" [in the patent] is not sufficient evidence to meet the burden of proof of "beyond a reasonable doubt" for something working or existing."
Which part of that are you protesting?
When you look at a patent for a device, if you have sufficient knowledge, you can work out how it works pretty reasonably. With such knowledge and investigation, you can also consider reasonable use cases. In the case of HAARP, it is stated that the technology works the same as the technology the patent describes. The technology description on official pages doesn't itself mention weather control, but the patent does. If you read the patent, it seems quite likely that it can be used for that purpose. Thus the patent, in this case, both describes the tech being used by HAARP and states "weather control" as a use for it, and also describes, very reasonably, how that is accomplished. It's more than just "plausible" that it is being used to modify the weather. Thus the patent for HAARP is very good evidence, thus "pushing the patent" is very sound in the exposition of this being used outside of its officially stated parameters of "measuring the ionosphere."
This third piece of evidence of BAE Systems strongly supports the idea that HAARP is being used to modify the weather.
In all cases using the patent as evidence is very sound, and thus being a "patent pusher" makes you a very good investigator.
Which was my point.
Having said that, I can't find evidence of it being used to start earthquakes, as I have mentioned in other replies. That doesn't mean it isn't, but I doubt it is. No one is "pushing the patent" for that use case though, so suggesting that "pushing patents" is bad evidence is neither accurate nor applicable. If a patent says something is being used for something, and that something looks like it is happening, then it is good evidence. It's just not sufficient.
Just because I don't think HAARP is being used to create earthquakes doesn't mean that earthquakes aren't intentional through other technology.
Is it feasible for you to reiterate a capsule description of the weather modification mechanism? (By which I do not mean technology, but the physical principle.) Even similar principles don't always indicate implementation. An electric razor works on the same principle as a hedge trimmer, but you wouldn't argue that people are going around at night trimming hedges with electric razors because they were part of the same invention description. Just due diligence.
Scratch that---I read through most of the patent enough to get to the weather modification language. Sheer hand-waving. They are talking about manipulating the ions of the ionosphere to dump them into the lower atmosphere. They have this little problem called the stratosphere. All the ionic character would be dissipated at stratospheric altitudes, and up there is not much atmosphere. What do I know? I took the graduate courses in plasma physics and magnetohydrodynamics. Does that make me an "expert"? Maybe not, but I am more expert than someone who hasn't had the coursework---and who also doesn't understand that the stratosphere is a barrier to ionospheric currents.
Patents are assertions. They can never stand as evidence of implementation (unless the patent references practical implementation). It's not just a matter of "sufficient evidence"; it is not evidence at all. I have nine patents and the only one that grew to fruition was by means of an alteration that took it outside of patent protection. (The people who did that didn't have the wit to revise the patent. Something of a lost cause.)
Another way of looking at it would be to compare the patent to a crime novel, and then use the novel as "evidence" that the author was contemplating (and maybe committing) a crime. Happens often enough in cheap TV crime shows.
Don't place unlimited faith in the patent inspectors. They can be convinced of a plausibility they don't fully understand. In my last patent, one aspect of the invention depended on a particular physical flow phenomenon. I figured "what the heck?" and wrote that into the description. The patent was awarded. So I was able to patent a physical phenomenon! (Not supposed to be possible.) This will be a total obstacle to anyone who tries to get around my patent in attempting anything similar!
I took the graduate courses in plasma physics and magnetohydrodynamics.
Supporting your argument with credentials is always a poor path to take. I could say I have similar background (though my coursework that included plasma physics was technically during undergrad), but that also is meaningless. The argument (logic or supposition) and/or supporting evidence itself is the only thing that actually adds to a logical argument. Putting forth pro-hominem support is an argumentative fallacy, having nothing to do with an argument itself, only used to bolster it falsely.
All the ionic character would be dissipated at stratospheric altitudes
Prove it. Like, show that you can't create a plasma at that altitude and hold it with the addition of energy (polarized photons) designed exactly for that purpose for the length of time required to cause a shift in the weather underneath that plasma (creation of a cold front e.g.). Hell, forget proof, I'll settle for any experimental evidence whatsoever. Even something as simple as an energy analysis would be something.
Your supposition that the stratosphere would eliminate too quickly an induced plasma without actual evidence to support it is exactly that, supposition. I mean, it's not an unfair protest, but it must be recognized as pure supposition without any actual evidential support.
They can never stand as evidence of implementation
They can absolutely stand as evidence of implementation.
I think you are confusing "evidence" with "proof." Proof is a decision that the evidence meets some standard of proof (preponderance of the evidence, beyond a reasonable doubt, etc.). Proof is (in effect) a verb. It uses the nouns (facts AKA evidence) and adds them up until the individual person is satisfied that a certain burden of proof is met.
A patent is evidence (a fact) that someone has a plan. If one is trying to solve a murder, and a suspect has a plan, laid out completely, with details and models and all the math, there is a really good chance they committed that murder, or intend to. At the least not putting forth that plan as evidence would be negligent to any honest investigation.
The patent holder is also a part of the evidence. In this case it is the very same people who created HAARP. Ignoring that as meaningful evidence is just being willful, or intentionally blind, or succumbing to cognitive dissonance.
Don't place unlimited faith in the patent inspectors.
I wasn't. I wasn't saying something was "truth." I was saying it was evidence. I was saying it was good evidence. It is. It's very good evidence. The evidence isn't in "patent inspectors," but in the patent itself. No faith required. What it isn't is proof, or at least for me the patent alone doesn't meet any reasonable standard of proof. Even all together it doesn't meet "beyond a reasonable doubt" for me. I'm not even sure if it meets "preponderance of the evidence" for me. But it absolutely meets the standard of "there is something there worth looking into more," at the least. Your protest, while not unsound, is supposition. Supposition, while it can be very useful to guide an investigation, isn't admissible as evidence itself.
Throwing my uninformed 2 cents in the mix but along the lines of science not craziness, what if the Grammys being right before and being a massively (or they try to still be) broadcasted event could provide cover for energy and radio outputs. Doesn't mean it has to be the Grammys but like the Superbowl is in 3 days as well as to why other nations don't call us on it.
The main point I like to make is that to generate an earthquake that released as much energy as a Tsar Bomb, you dont have to input energy equivalent to this.
Think about a very tall jenga tower. You do a minor flick with your finger at the bottom, and the whole tower collapses releasing orders of magnitude more energy than you put in.
The theories I find believable talk about vibrations that can resonate with certain "strings" below the earth, causing those vibrations to cascade and displace, in the process causing an earthquake that is far more powerful than the vibrations used.
I find that theory quite believable.
For correct question is "is it possible to have a technology that could be used to trigger earthquakes, are certain areas under certain conditions ?"
It maybe HAARP, it may be vibrations, it make be shaped charges inside the earth, or anything else.
The answer to that would be "I cannot imagine why such a technology is not possible"
For the record, I even predicted a false flag in Turkey just 9 days before.
If the implication is that this earthquake is a coincidence, I am not buying it.
1st Law of Thermodynamics: you have to get the energy from somewhere. It doesn't come from nothing. The cases of resonant structural failure result from a continuous input of power, adding up to the energy necessary to trigger the collapse. It doesn't happen until you get to the breaking point.
But pay attention to the balance. The jenga tower has energy put into it by its construction (gravitational potential energy).
The "vibrations can do anything" line of thinking is no theory. It is magical thinking. They can do a lot, in certain circumstances, but they are not magic.
Every earthquake is a coincidence. There were earthquakes before there was technology. So also, volcanic eruptions.
It did a pretty convincing magic trick to make lots of people disappear instantly though. However, they never came back, so not sure that counts as a 'trick'.
Every radioactive decay is a coincidence. The entire world is filled with them. Even inside your body. The existence of random events entails the occurrence of coincidences, with mathematical certainty.
No, I am not here to shut off debate. And I made no insult. I am here to dispel ignorance and confusion. And your response to my statement was not in the least to argue with it, but to get pissed off at me for saying something. You made a foolish statement and now you can't defend it. (No surprise. It was indefensible.)
So, what do you see? Think twice before answering. Will you be describing what image you have inside your head?
You did not insult me this time, but that is a rare event for you, you insult most on here which you readily admit doing in your quest for more loosh for your master/mistress the Queen of Heaven.
I have posed an insult to you on this thread, any replies to that then Chort?
Oh, it's you! Those fractional "reply" threads are difficult to place. I don't spend much time memorizing handles.
Well, you didn't describe what you see, so that turned out to be a punk subject.
I don't know what "loosh" is or who "the Queen of Heaven" is. I am neither Ukrainian nor Russian, so "chort" does not bother me. So, as far as I am concerned, no shots were even fired. Which is a great pity, because I have come to understand that when my debate partner gives up on answers and resorts to insults, they have lost their case. There are coincidences, and the world can't get along without them (see: the kinetic theory of gases).
You do a minor flick with your finger at the bottom, and the whole tower collapses releasing orders of magnitude more energy than you put in.
Yes, but, wait—the laws of conservation of energy state that the energy needed to destroy a tower was first spent in its construction. For the entire life of the building, it stores its own destructive energy from the moment of its construction. The act of deconstructing a critical support is only the act of releasing the kinetic energy that was invested, say, 40 years earlier.
The theories I find believable talk about vibrations that can resonate with certain "strings" below the earth, causing those vibrations to cascade and displace, in the process causing an earthquake that is far more powerful than the vibrations used.
Yes! I want to see more lab work demonstrated on this.
It maybe HAARP, it may be vibrations, it make be shaped charges inside the earth, or anything else.
Whatever it is, from a legal standpoint, using this technology on another country is an act of war, plain and simple, and, if this technology spreads and propagates, it will be used by other countries against us. But, that's not happened because, frankly, no one yet can satisfy what I'm saying about the energy budget, here.
For the record, I even predicted a false flag in Turkey just 9 days before.
You didn't call an earthquake, tho. Not trying to split hairs unfairly on you, tho, but, that's a bit long of a stretch as far as predictions go. If the implication is that this earthquake is a coincidence, you must explain it to a higher level of resolution than merely predicting "something" happening as a "false flag." There are more steps, here, and they need to be explained, at least to a level where the "jump" from one assumption to the next makes plausible scientific sense. At the moment, it does not.
I'm not sure exactly what you are trying to get at here scientifically. The earth's crust is always under tremendous stress. Each point is being gravitationally attracted to the center, the pressure from lower layers is holding it up, and it is being pulled on by the moon and other bodies. If you can simply relax the pressure some how in a small area, you can tap tremendous amounts of energy as the forces readjust to a new equilibrium. You don't need to feed the system with the amount of energy you get out.
So we, i.e. humans, don't need to input that energy. Earthquakes merely release the energy that is stored from all kinds of gravitational energy sources that have been present for eons. All we need to do is provide the activation energy. After that it is fully exothermic. It's like saying a toddler can't fire a gun because he didn't create the bullet. All he needs is enough strength to pull the trigger. The potential energy for the devastation is already present in the environment.
the laws of conservation of energy state that the energy needed to destroy a tower was first spent in its construction
Correct, but the construction does not need to happen right now. It might be a structure formed over years. For example, an atomic bomb can set off huge amount of energy by being triggered by a small conventional bomb to set off the chain reaction. The energy being set off was already present in the material long before.
Whatever it is, from a legal standpoint, using this technology on another country is an act of war, plain and simple, and, if this technology spreads and propagates, it will be used by other countries against us
These technologies, if they exist, it would not be one country using against another. It would be the Cabal using it against any country whose leaders go strongly against them, and they dont have alternate means to control them. I do think they use elections, popular uprisings, sanctions, financial crimes etc, before resorting to weaponised weather.
You didn't call an earthquake,
I didn't. My point is, a false flag in Turkey was visible miles away for anyone watching what was going on. And exactly at that point they are hit with an earthquake. It should at least raise our "no coincidences" red flags.
Yes! I want to see more lab work demonstrated on this.
No one here can either prove that such tech is available nor disprove that such a technology is impossible. All we are doing is thinking about possibilities.
My point is that, it is very hard to deny that possibility.
For example, an atomic bomb can set off huge amount of energy by being triggered by a small conventional bomb to set off the chain reaction. The energy being set off was already present in the material long before.
Um, that's not how nukes work (I literally am an expert) but, I see what you're saying, you're saying that conventional explosives impact the core nucleus to achieve critical mass, OK, sure, but
I didn't. My point is, a false flag in Turkey was visible miles away for anyone watching what was going on. And exactly at that point they are hit with an earthquake. It should at least raise our "no coincidences" red flags.
With no disrespect intended, anyone that reads the link you just posted and assumes that is an idiot. No, you absolutely did not mention earthquake at all.
My point is that, it is very hard to deny that possibility.
My point is that it is 100% scienfic folly to assume that possibility.
My point is that it is 100% scienfic folly to assume that possibility.
100% eh? I don't think any human being can ever believe/disbelieve anything with 100% certainty, because we have no way of knowing the nature of our Universe.
No, you absolutely did not mention earthquake at all.
I am not sure what the confusion here is. I only predicted a false flag. I never claimed to predict an earthquake. I am point out the coincidence between the prediction of a false flag and observation of an earth quake.
Some nuclear weapon designs do use a conventional charge to compress an atomic mass into a smaller space so that it will go prompt critical. So they're not really wrong.
Yes, but, wait—the laws of conservation of energy state that the energy needed to destroy a tower was first spent in its construction.
frankly, no one yet can satisfy what I'm saying about the energy budget, here.
These are at odds. The energy required is implicit in your first statement. The energy of the earthquake is already there in the construction of the planet. This energy is further added to from the sun which heats it up and keeps that battery we call "the core" spinning. The system has as close enough to an infinite energy store as makes no nevermind (at least on the scales we are talking about).
Why did you think Turkey? Because of NATO? I find it very interesting coincidence crude oil price is about to blow up and Turkey´s stock market is at its peak but someone already sold.
Erdogan is yet another "quantum operative" - is he good, is he bad, is he on the Cabal side, is he against? No one can tell.
Turkey and Japan are two long time countries outwardly doing the Globalist bidding, but going against them secretly.
NATO is I think the tipping point for Turkey and it reached 2 weeks ago where they made it very clear they are not going along.
I think the tipping point for Japan is getting here, even as we speak, and something terrible is in store for them. I will be bold enough to predict a huge earth quake hitting them is one of the possibilities. It could even be a devastating volcano. Or a nuclear disaster, tsunami - anything.
He's not a mystery at all. He's a Turkish Islamist. He makes no secret of being a dictator, being expansionist with regards to Syria, his desire to expand NATO, his disdain for Christians who don't submit to Islam. He doesn't like wokeness. He supports "immigration" jihad and sees exporting his population to Germany as part of that effort. He maintains the NATO alliance for historical and geopolitical reasons. It is better not to make enemies unnecessarily, especially if they're nominally your allies. Because he's a Turk, he doesn't quite get along with the Arabs in the Islamic world, but they find agreement on things like Israel, the EU, the US, and China more often than not.
He's a dictator who's not afraid to wield power, which we saw by him absolutely crushing the 10,000-man coup d'etat some while back. Many were executed in the purge that followed. And despite the economic distress his country is seeing now, his country views him as a strong leader with a favorable vision for his country and they're backing him even as inflation rises.
Erdogan isn't much of a mystery to any clear thinking person. He might be to a Leftist who seem perpetually baffled at the possibility that people could disagree with their "sainted" opinions, but not to folks who frequent this site.
Can you please explain what exactly in the fuck is a 'string below the earth'? That is nothing more than a magic word meant to misdirect people away from reality.
It refers to string theory, an unproven "theory of everything" that posits all matter in universe can be thought of as a vibrating string. Getting the vibrations synchronized allows would allow people to focus the power of nature for their purposes. That's the highly abridged, ultra-shortened version, but when it's referred to this way, the people talking are typically suggesting someone made a machine that causes this kind of vibrational focus and that explains [X]. In this case, they're claiming someone caused an earthquake.
In reality you'd have a much stronger argument just looking at known fault lines with a high school understanding of continental drift. Turkey gets earthquakes because Africa's working its way towards colliding with Europe.
I've read comments from noted experts in the field of string theory who basically say that anyone claiming to know anything about string theory is wrong.
The earthquake was already building. It just needs a push in the right spot to push it over the edge. It doesn't need 6000 Tsar Bombas worth of energy to cause the earthquake. It just needs a nudge in the right direction, at the right time, and all hell breaks loose.
If HAARP is an energy system, it most likely utilizes the resonant frequency of underground fault pressures. Wiggle and jiggle it just right, and you get a chain reaction. That's the same logic behind nuclear fission.
You've made assumptions that they're using a 1:1 delivery payload rather than kicking the legs out from under an already precariously perched table.
Great, OK, let's see some videos about how that works.
This isn't fake science. It's real. You match the right impulse of a system, and that system will fail. You don't need to press every point with an immense, equal pressure. You only have to poke the right spot at just the right times.
Think of it like a swing set. If you know how to swing, you'll know the right points in time to shift your weight. It's no different with a fault line -- you just need to figure out exactly where to press and when to press.
I think he's tired of the fact-absent BS. He's laying down the ultimatum: put up or shut up. Either we're going to do some proper research and deal with this thing with some actual technical and scientific rigor or this speculation needs to stop.
I totally get it. For me, I'm in healthcare, so the wild speculation about vaccines and the random cures for everything that finds its way onto this board drives me bonkers. Minimal evidence, piss poor sources, poor quality studies taken wildly out of context, "It worked for my great grand aunt, so it must be true", etc. It drives me nuts. Pfizer and Moderna lied so we're supposed to throw out the entire field of medicine and go back to old wives' tales and whatever random herbs are growing in the garden. There's simply no rigor in the thinking.
Part of that is free speech. Free speech allows for people to speak with minimal expertise about stuff they don't understand. Then we have to have more free speech to correct it. In this case, catsfive is using his bully pulpit to demand some higher quality discussion. Put up or shut up. If there's something there, let's start dealing with some actual technical detail. This discussion needs to start sounding like a college physics class.
All are put out by the deep state to keep the normies viewing the community as a bunch of nuts. It is pure disinformation/misdirection, and they have been doing the same thing for decades.
The problem is everyone says this about anything beyond their own personal level of awakening. Not saying what people have to believe or not believe, but isn’t it mighty convenient that right where a person’s comfort level ends, that’s where the misinformation/disinformation starts? I mean this is literally what we see amongst Trump supporters with Q, amongst Democrats with the Covid injection and Hunter Biden’s Laptop, amongst the GOPe and Election Fraud, amongst normies and Epstein Island, amongst older people and 9/11, amongst women and Sandy Hook. Wherever that line of comfort stops, boom, that’s exactly where the misinformation/disinformation begins, and so it all gets written off as nothing to investigate or pay any attention to.
Obviously actual misinformation/disinformation exist, but as a general rule, I don’t really like this as an argument or reason for dismissal because it doesn’t really mean anything. Anyone is able to declare misinformation/disinformation at any point they want and there will be plenty of others to confirm that yes, they agree, and then start insulting anyone who says otherwise.
Nothing I said is above my personal level of awakening. The three things I mention are pure deep state created bullshit. If you are standing up for those three things you are either an idiot or a troll.
Literally making my point fren. I could copy and paste this response with the details changed to Sandy Hook or 9/11 or Covid or Election Fraud or Q with different people in different places and it’s the exact same thinking. What do Trump supporters on The_Donald say about people who believe the Q drops were validated by Trump? We are all idiots or shills or trolls or feds trying to make Trump look bad. What do Democrats say about questioning Sandy Hook? Idiots, grifters, conspiracy theorists, lunatics.
Look, I actually DON’T believe in aliens, for example. That’s my hunch. But I don’t believe that EVERYONE who believes in aliens is by definition an idiot or a troll or a fraud or a fed or anything like that, and as much as I doubt, do I KNOW for sure aliens are a hoax? Of course not. How could anyone? So why ad hominem everyone who thinks differently? Wouldn’t it be better to say, “Hey man, we agree on 90% of shit, we both want to defeat the pedophiles, so let’s work together on doing that and agree to disagree on aliens.”
I hear ya. I have trouble trusting anything now days. It all seems like such a psy-op so I try to keep an open mind and take an interest in many points of view so if and when the truth ever comes out I might be like, 'Hmmmm, So that guy wasn't full of shit after all!"
I still feel though that we are all waaaaay off. Q states the deeper we go the more unreal it all becomes (paraphrasing).
This is my philosophy as well. Keep track of the data points and wait for the truth to be revealed. Speculation here is fun and part of the process of separating truth from fiction but these more nebulous claims are better left in the background when fighting the war at hand because truthfully they are inconsequential in that fight at this time.
I believe in order to have this discussion and other matters of the same subject, we should always keep an open mind without shutting down one subject or another.
The only truth is WE JUST DON'T KNOW MUCH about anything at all. There is no concrete 100% yes or no. We can only theorize. To have a healthy discussion, I personally and humbly think we need to keep all options open and not feel the need to say an absolute NO to one theory or another because this discussion is unlike other discussions regarding morals or ethics, which I believe have a strong definite answer like "Pedo is wrong. Killing is wrong. Grooming is wrong. Patriotism is good. Sovereignty is necessary."
Agree, but, an "open" mind should be measured in milimeters, step by step, not automatically "gaping" so wide as to drive a truck (such as this theory is) through!
Open mind doesn't mean accepting wild speculation and magical thinking without a shred of evidence.
We know a lot about how earthquakes work. Geology isn't exactly a new science. We also know a lot about civil engineering and why houses near fault lines that are constructed of cheap materials, poorly reinforced, and poorly maintained will collapse. Further, we understand politics and why the collective west seems to be completely ignoring this humanitarian disaster and not sending much of anything to help. Nothing about this situation is really a mystery except for the people who are trying to act like some ultra wealthy family don is sitting in some control room orchestrating the earthquakes and the weather to suit his whims.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. And this HAARP thing never seems to come with much proof.
So, we're to believe that HAARP somehow automagically transmitted a focused beam with the energy equivalent of 600,000 megatons of TNT across the planet to Turkey? And then sent that same amount of energy there again, resulting in a 7.7 Richter scale aftershock,
I'm not sure about HAARP, but a directed energy beam with energy the size of an earthquake is not required to cause an earthquake.
In general, an earthquake is caused by tectonic plates moving against each other. You can think of the interface between two tectonic plates like an "accident waiting to happen." In other words, there is a tremendous amount of potential energy there, waiting to be released. How likely it is to be released is based on how stable the structure is between the two plates, not on how much energy will be released. Think of this like an "activation energy."
For example, a ball sitting on top of a pencil, even if it is perfectly balanced and "stable" is pretty likely to fall off. Thus all the potential energy stored in the ball will very likely be released. (It will take very little energy to release the potential energy stored in the system). A ball sitting on top of a curved niche, sitting just as high as the pencil, but that perfectly fits that ball, will have just as much potential energy to be released as the pencil situation, but a much less likely chance for it to be released. It is in a much more stable position, even though the potential energy is identical.
In each case the amount of energy required to take it away from it's stable position is only the amount of energy required to do so; very little in the pencil case, more in the curved niche case. But this activation energy has (basically) nothing to do with the potential energy stored in the system. It is the potential energy stored in the system when the earthquake happens that is what is read by a seismograph, not the activation energy (at least in any system where the activation energy is much less than the stored potential energy, like a natural tectonic shift).
This holds true for any place where the energy required to take a system out of equilibrium is less than the potential energy stored in the system, not just for tectonic plates.
I'm addressing your protest of the amount of energy required. It doesn't require that much energy. It doesn't require anywhere even close to that much energy. My point is only that something you stressed as incredible in your protest is not taking into account that any such "earthquake device" would take advantage of stored potential energy.
As to the other, as far as I understand, HAARP uses microwaves to cause a targeted heating in the ionosphere. I can't imagine how such action could possibly cause earthquakes. However, me not understanding how something works doesn't mean it doesn't work.
IMO, If there is a weapon that is able to cause directed earthquakes I doubt it is HAARP. I think that something that sets up a resonance within the earth is a more likely method. It wouldn't actually take that much energy to make that happen (no where near the energy released, at least potentially), and such a system could apply whatever energy was required over time, as a function of setting up that resonance, targeted at flaws in the earth. Alternatively, directed heating taking advantage of similar flaws could also potentially produce similar results. In either case, such hypothetical weapons would be some form of directed energy, taking advantage of flaws (fault lines) or other weak points in the earth's crust that already exist (they are all over the place), substantially reducing the energy input requirements.
Finally it is conceivable to create a directed energy weapon that heats up the subsurface sufficiently to create magma pockets deep underground, or even excite and/or expand magma pockets that already exist. This would cause the earth above it to move, shift, and/or fall. Again, a lot less energy is required to do this than the energy potentially released.
I am making these things up. I don't know if they exist, but I don't think it is impossible. Given the resources these people have, I don't even think it's that hard.
Honestly, who knows what's what, with all the lies we've been fed on every side. However, I have some points to make. I'm sorry I can't be super-high effort tonight, I actually have a deadline to meet for work, but anyways...
the energy in the earth's crust is potential energy that comes from forces within the earth. Just like a loud noise (low energy) can trigger a massive avalanche (high energy), you only need to jiggle those tectonic plates enough to get them slipping and cause a big earthquake.
Q followers back in the day will remember 11.11.18; yes, it's an IP, but on that date something significant did happen seismically speaking. There was a series of seismic waves repeating in 17-second intervals that baffled scientists. 17 At the time, many of us certainly believed this was a message being sent by Q team to both anons and the DS, as well as a demonstration of some type of device that could make the earth shake.
So I don't know what caused the quakes in Turkey, but I do believe it's not beyond the scope of credibility to say they could have been caused by human technology.
I appreciated your post, Cats, and the critical thinking that went into it. We should push back more often on what we say to each other here. It makes us sharper and less prone to erroneous thinking. Carry on, soldier.
Ok, 2 things I know of lead credence to HAARP and the potential feasibility for the manipulation of earth quakes.
First, HAARP can and is used to guide "or steer" large rotating storm systems. I have seen it demonstrated in small scale controlled laboratory conditions and it's actually very simple to create high or low pressure systems. HAARP absolutely has the ability and there is military literature on it.
HAARP uses intense high powered RF from large arrays focused into a single point in the ionosphere, which does make a bulge in the ionosphere, when abruptly turned off the ionosphere snaps back into place and actually creates a reverse bulge, which is how it can nudge massive cyclone one way or the other. It's actually not rocket science.
HAARP, also can act as ground penetratingly radar, it bounces a focused signal off of the ionosphere back into the ground or sea, which is also how signals can be sent to submarines.
Now when it comes to earthquakes, one of the things Nichola Tesla figured out was the mass destruction that can be caused by the reverse use of sympathetic resonance principle called destructive interference. We've all seen the video of the huge suspension bridge that blew itself to pieces because the wind at the right angle and speed made a sound vibration at just the perfect wave length to cause destructive interference with the suspension cables and decking's construction.
RF (radio frequency) is just electromagnetic waves and we can choose the vibration speed or wavelength to transmit or receive.
In the case of HAARP, we know it can transmit at various frequencies, we know it can penetrate soil and water and if the resonance of the earth's fault line or plate is known, the HAARP can easily send an RF signal at the correct wavelength to cause destructive interference with the natural resonance of the earth at a specific point and depth.
Again, none of this is rocket science there is tons of documentation on the subject but I just got home from work and don't feel like doing everyone's homework for them.
First, HAARP can and is used to guide "or steer" large rotating storm systems
Prove this. Give me something to investigate. Don't just say this. This is dogshit without something to go on.
HAARP uses intense high powered RF from large arrays focused into a single point in the ionosphere
Great, explain the energy budget.
the reverse use of sympathetic resonance principle called destructive interference
Go deep. Explain this. Provide papers, PDFs, youtube videos. I'm OK with spending MONTHS on this, but, give me what I need to understand this. Otherwise, this is just yakkity bullshit (sorry to come off as so crucial).
we know it can transmit at various frequencies
OK, which ones
Again, none of this is rocket science there is tons of documentation on the subject but I just got home from work and don't feel like doing everyone's homework for them.
Oh? Just home from work, are you? WELL, get settled on in, hey, and drop us a note when you're comfy, sport, OK? Right, you will be back on GAW when you're ready to do exactly that. I have permanently removed your account, pending your reply. Pls use modmail
"I'm not here to do someone's homework for them" NO, YES, YOU ARE. We all are. That's what "here" is. GAW is an elite research board, not a digital daycare for low effort skaters. That attitude, above, will get someone moved to the sidelines ALL DAY. This is not a game. Hit the Q telegram groups if you're not here to work. The mod team answers only to our highest effort posters and we have absolutely no hesitation to "de-clutter" the board.
C5 is providing the discipline we currently lack as a group to cite resources when making claims.
Harsh? Possibly, what else will get people's attention to the problem at hand?
imho it goes deeper than just HAARP, it's about efforts to undermine GAW.
PDW was easily inundated with yahoo's to subvert it, we have a much stricter code of conduct here, so it's that much harder to subvert, it needs to be subtle.
With that in mind, how do the mods identify and tell the difference between a well-meaning frog and a schill sent to disrupt us?
Seed the clouds with radio reflective particles the size of dust motes, the water in the clouds condenses around them to make rain, so the whole cloud system can be steered by pulses of RF beams. Spin them round to make them stronger and steer them to wherever you want. It take a lot of infrastructure to do this, expensive infrastructure.
First, HAARP can and is used to guide "or steer" large rotating storm systems. I have seen it demonstrated in small scale controlled laboratory conditions and it's actually very simple to create high or low pressure systems.
Really. Where? When? How large was this small scale? Who demonstrated it? How was the demonstration held? Who was in attendance? How was success and/or failure measured? Where are the results published?
HAARP absolutely has the ability and there is military literature on it.
Really. Please point me to a link of this literature. I would love to read it.
One hundred years nearly to the minute of the end of the first World War.
So what? If someone were using some weird ass weapon or doing a proof of concept for it, why the fuck would they tip themselves off by timing it to line up with a historical event? Guess what? Sometimes shit just happens whenever. If you look hard enough you can find a wonky coincidental timing with just about any major event in the world. But that doesn't mean you've uncovered some uber secret. It very possibly just means you've been down in the hole for too long.
Really? Are you an extreme depth underwater research diver and/or submarine crew member? The captain perhaps? No? Well then surely you are a marine seismologist. Oh. No? Well then perhaps a global geologist? Wait. No again?
Oh I see. Just some voice on GAW that refuses to admit they might actually be wrong? Well OK then.
And here is more information about the region in general. Note that the island in question is of volcanic origin and that entire part of the world is a volcanic center and has been for over 7 million years.
And here is more information about the volcanoes in the immediate area.
Your entire attitude is EXACTLY what catsfive was talking about when he made this post. We HAVE to be able to realize that sometimes, we miss the target. Sometimes, the weird ass theories don't stack up. Sometimes...yes sometimes we are in fact, wrong. NO ONE is always right and NO ONE is always wrong.
So now, I have provided many sources of proof for the existence of the volcano. Can you provide any evidence that it does not in exist? I mean other than you stating 'there was no underwater volcano'. Or how about evidence that what happened on 11/11/18 was in any way at all related to something other than a seismic marine event.
An undersea volcano that drives a ULF sine wave of 17 seconds between peaks and troughs for 20 minutes, all at the same depth? As it says, it seemed to be musical.
And nobody can explain this at all, except to say it didn't seem to be natural, can you prove it was a volcano that produced this?
The Nat Geo is not evidence, and all the Africa Times article talks about is a volcanic swarm that stared in May 2018 on the other side of the island to where the confluence of three tectonic plates are that produced this musical note, it says nothing at all about the Nov 11th event despite being written in 2019.
That's why I am still sitting on the fence about earthquakes generated by HAARP. I am more inclined to believe they have a tunnel underneath there where they set something off from deep underground.
you are assuming the whole force of the earthquake needs to be generated by haarp?
I don't think the relationship between the earthquakes and the ionosphere is fully understood by conventional science. it may not be necessary to generate the whole force of an earthquake, but just to manipulate something and let nature do the rest.
physics nerd mistake lol
edit: just because you can calculate something, doesn't mean you should ;)
what theory of yours suggests that the energy of haarp must be equal to the energy of an earthquake? are you saying that you do fully understand the relationship between earthquakes and the ionosphere?
there are many different kinds of reactions in nature, many of which we don't understand.
personally I don't know that haarp was used to generate earthquakes. but i believe its a plausible theory, maybe even more plausible than assuming it is only capable of its officially stated purpose.
There may be some ability to trigger vibrations below the earth's surface, whether it is HAARP or some other technology. Supposedly the Russians have a submarine that fires a torpedo armed with a nuclear warhead at the seabed off the coast of a target area that triggers tsunamis. There was also that seismic event in November 2018 that "rang the earth like a bell" with an unnatural wave pattern.
I get your analytical approach but these weapons are not conventional
The weapons that cause the earthquakes are philosophical weapons. They date back to Tesla, John Trump, and even further to ancient civilizations (old testament middle east as well as lost civilizations like incan, mayan, etc)
Ever read all those articles about time being philosophical? Those are not just pretentious rambling , they are trying to "leak" the idea of abstract concepts having tangible applications
Our government has researched remote viewing , astral projection, chi/qi energy as a weapon, time travel, teleportation, animal whispering, and many other esoteric things. We have had prototype railguns since the 80s. The concorde, the blackbird, and other planes that far exceed conventional air travel..
I know you guys want to keep the tip of the spear shiny and effective...but there is a huge difference between say flat earthing and the research and contemplation of the metaphysical and esoteric. Those "Trump will make anime real" memes are actually just comms to get ready to accept what is in anime and comics is not far fetched or speculative at all.
Several anons here including possibly yourself are experts in technical fields, but I do not think any of us are ready for all the ridiculous logic breaking technology and concepts we will be faced with one day. The front page has had several days where there is a lull, no reason something like this couldn't be discussed especially when the research has to be pooled together. Books not everyone has, posts on usenet or other forums that have been scrubbed, newspapers that are not in libraries, etc
A high power transmitter and antenna array operating in the High Frequency (HF) range. The transmitter is capable of delivering up to 3.6 million Watts to an antenna system consisting of 180 crossed dipole antennas arranged as a rectangular, planar array.
Converting from Watts to Joules 3.6 million Watts running for 36 hours produces 4.6 x 10^11 Joules.
Summary: 2013 planned H.A.A.R.P project had capacity to generate the entire energy attributed to this earthquake in 36 hours.
Added: Looks like the 3.6 megawatt plan is now reality and even more, as per this recent announcement
Now account for atmospheric absorption, signal loss, dispersion
Okay, so lets assume that these and all other cumulative losses account for N% of the total energy.
At N = 50% loss, we would need 72 hours worth of energy
At N = 90% loss, we would need 360 hours or 15 days worth of energy
Going to the very extreme (which would be highly unlikely in reality) lets say the losses are 99%, in which case we will require 3600 hours or 5 months worth of energy.
All these are still very much within the realm of feasibility just as far as energy budget is concerned.
I believe the well depicted point in the OP was that the energy involved is so huge that it would be well outside the feasibility even from an energy budget.
Do you agree that, that is not the case?
explain how it gets transmitted and focused on the earthquake zone, tho.
This is an operational question and separate from the feasibility of the energy budget, which is what I was focusing on in this comment.
I agree that the transmission, and focusing processes requires further digging and the best way to do that is to continue doing what this elite research board does.
This guy has been analysing all the earthquakes and tracking them and just mentioned something in passing that they often see earthquakes near power generating stations etc. due to the low frequency waves put out.
Might be a clue as to how someone might artificially induce an earthquake..
edit: at 10:51 he says that it isn't the emitted waves causing the quakes, but somehow attracting the natural low frequency waves from earthquakes to the area, I guess like a magnet?
Update: at 21:30m he talks about how he predicted an earthquake in Delaware a few hours before the video and it popped up on his feed. He then goes back to how he predicted it, and I'm blown away to be honest. When he gets to around the 24m mark he's talking about how this earthquake was basically man-made.wtf?
Update: at 41:08 he highlights a cluster of quakes and mentions that that's where HAARP is.
There are two major items to consider here... and consider them with 1) what we know to be true, then 2) apply okams razor...
earthquakes are due to movement of tectonic plates, we know this is true. Turkey has a long history of earthquakes..
haarp has been around a long time, it's full function is largely unknown, but it does involve the ionosphere. The ionosphere is not "consistent" on reflection, ham radio people know these layers well if they use shortwave comms. Usually waves get deflected somewhat sporadically.. meaning it can't be scheduled..
Now apply okams razor...
It's just not uncommon to have earthquakes in turkey...
Anyone know whether CERN was running at the time? Not to re-rail everyone's enthusiasm over Haarp but we honestly don't know much of anything about either, we can hardly debate anything other than what we're told they do - or don't do If I'm not mistaken, I thought this was the place where we can freely discuss ideas and theories. Many of these ideas we discussed a few years ago were wildly unsubstantiated. Today, we have proof we were correct. Forgive me, but I do not trust the science. There is much more we're not allowed to know than we actually know.
For the people who do believe HAARP can/is be(ing) used to trigger large weather/seismic events- do you believe that there is no such thing as natural weather disasters or seismic events?
I ask this because after every "newsworthy" weather event, many people insist it's HAARP. Like there simply can't be a large hurricane without having HAARP doing it.
And if there are people who believe that, how long has the HAARP technology and ability been around? How does it correlate to historical accounts of natural disasters?
One of my pet peeves is anger at those who present possibilities, no matter the scope or scale. I truly believe you have to examine every mundane facet of life and question it.
Banking…. A place I put money and a place run by some of the most crooked people in the world.
Eating…. Do it everyday. Little did I know the fda allows literal poison to be fed to the American people.
Filling up a tank of gas….. where does it actually come from? Am I supposed to believe dead organisms created every drop of oil? Ole triceratops gave his life so I could take a trip to the grocery?
But…. I agree that there are also people who latch on to the idea that a something exists that can’t possibly be true.
One such example were the tards claiming COVID isn’t real. It wasn’t an argument about wether or not it’s a virus (I think there are good arguments to be made for both sides there). There are literally people here who think COVID, whatever it is, doesn’t exist. Literally people in this group who we know are as based as they come, say “shit happened to me when I caught COVID that’s never happened with any other illness.” Me…. I lost taste and smell. It was the weirdest shit. And then I get on here and some tard flat earther thinks they got it figured out that it’s all a Psyop brainwash to make me think I’ve got an illness. They are low iq low performers and unfortunately we still have to claim them lol.
For what it’s worth, I don’t believe that HAARP caused the earthquake.
Having said that, our science has been compromised too. All of our assumptions on energy are based on Einstein’s theory of relativity, which is clearly bullshit. The energy exists in our atmosphere, and I suspect it can be released with advanced technology.
I believe the scientific method is accurate, IF it is unbiased and includes ALL variables, but since this is not possible science is inherently flawed, and it is immoral to "believe" the results.
For example, scientific testing might show that it's best to cull people once they reach 70 to preserve resources and save the environment. However, this is clearly unethical.
A real situation is male circumcision, which continues almost fully based on flawed "science" and doesn't account for the moral and cognitive development effects of chopping off part of a baby's penis, let alone the thoughts he will have as a man about this. LET ALONE the babies that are disfigured and die (or the men who later kill themselves as a result).
I'm sorry, but science is bullshit, especially as it currently stands.
No, male circumcision continues based on religion. In the old testament it was a physical symbol of allegiance to YHWH. As Christians consider Jesus the son of YHWH many have adopted that custom. There is a thin veneer of science coating it, to say that it is good for hygiene, or something, but strip that away and people are doing it out of religious tradition. Most modern medical studies are hostile to circumcision
This is true, but what you’re saying is more the origin. The practise in most western countries has continued primarily because of scientific encouragement since Kellogg and others.
Actually, great point, us mods delete a lot of garbage, but, we mostly go on how proven it is, I mean, "pizzagate" is pretty "fringe" in terms of mainstream proof (that they allow) but, on our end, it's so solid, it's literally an incontrovertible fact
HAARP is a convenient known energy projecting machine - so people are tempted to use that moniker when in all likelihood the real mechanism (if it is such) is a secret capability and totally separate from HAARP
I dont think it is HAARP either and would expect the energy to be delivered as low frequency not high
The energy budget to trigger an earthquake is not the same as the energy released from the earthquake. An analogy would be a jenga tower (or pile of rocks) which has in its arrangement a potential energy. To tip the tower or vibrate the pile of gravel would involve only a small amount of energy, but the clattering collapse would release much more than that.
Here is an idea for how you "secretly" get energy to focus on a point:
a) you perturb three locations with some energy wave that is amplitude-wise within the bounds of normal background energy, but frequency-wise it is novel.
b) at some other point the energy waves you created will intefere
c) the resultant energy from the interferences from the original three perturbations will result in most areas as a cancelling-out but equidistant from the three will be a location where the energies sum together
d) an analogy is dropping three stones in a lake, if you know the relative entry points, and the mass and shape of the stones to sufficient degree you would be able to predict the location of a relatively large "spike" of a wave, in this case it would look like a smoothed triangular pyramid standing-wave which would then invert iteself and look like a relatively deep "pocket" in the water.
e) this crescendo wave would seem to "suddenly appear" but the cause would be the three stones you threw into the lake
f) if the lake water was already choppy on the surface it is possible the rings of wave coming off the stones would be undetectable but the nature of waves is that the crescendo wave would STILL appear in the centre of the lake
So we can envision thousands of stones being precisely dropped into the lake, and mathmatically the location of the crescendo could be predicted.
Furthermore The Earth is a globe, so the crescendo effect could be sub-surface and undetectable but could be focussed on a geological fault (or perhaps they are so common you could range around underground until you found one by chance) under the target
This small amount of energy could then be sufficient to trigger the release of the potential energy stored in the formation of rock, using many many convergent waves, each alone undetectable and subsurface, to meet at a location, and hey presto - trigger an earthquake
So, while I take the point about HAARP, I can imagine the mechanism at play, so I am inclined to think it possible
the Navy and NOAA have 'earthquake ships' that they label as surveying, but they create EQs - they did it Haiti and NZ and one of those ships is right off the coast of Turkey in Greece waters. Also, these ships fly under flags of different ownership - this Endeavor is outwardly owned by University of Rhode Island but in reality is used by Navy and possibly State Dept - this was under HRC as Secr of State remember) (https://www.uri.edu/news/2010/02/uri-research-vessel-endeavor-to-travel-to-haiti-for-scientific-investigation-humanitarian-mission/)
Nukes are absolutely fake. But if they are real, there is no denying the “test” videos produced in the US by Hollywood and the test videos from the Soviet’s are laughably and obviously FAKE by todays special effects standards.
Why is this stickied? Yes, it's my own post. But, y'all have seen us mods post many high-effort posts from our top frogs over the past weeks. This is no different. Here goes.
Guys, a question for the community, here. I really want to get your feedback on something because I think we really, REALLY need to have a chat about some of the absurd things that so flippantly get said around here and that don't get challenged. Just as we do with our narrative-busting prowess (you guys are literally amazing), we need to ensure that many of the more conspiracy lunatic "dogshit" theories don't get bandied about so much that they pretty much slip into being "factual" without ever getting challenged.
A case in point is the theory that somehow the government is using the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP) to cause earthquakes around the world by bouncing energy off the ionosphere. This theory suggests that HAARP can manipulate the ionosphere, causing it to release energy in the form of an earthquake elsewhere on the planet. However, there is no credible scientific research that supports this claim. That's not how HAARP started, or what it was used for. It was originally a project trying to communicate with deeply submerged submarines. That's it. That's how it started.
OK, so, "the government lies about everything," yeah, sure, but, the theory still can be examined scientifically. In order to understand the feasibility of this theory, we need to consider the technological steps involved. The first step would be to generate a high-frequency electromagnetic field capable of reaching the ionosphere. This field would then have to be focused in a specific location in order to cause the ionosphere to release energy in the form of an earthquake. There are currently no known technologies capable of generating such a high-frequency electromagnetic field with sufficient strength and precision to cause an earthquake. Is the assumption that this "beam" is not detectable by any other countries? And does only the USA have this, or can Russia, China, etc., also start their own HAARP programs, and start sending earthquakes our way?
Lastly, we have to try to appreciate just how much energy is released in an earthquake. Turkey experienced (roughly) two identical earthqukes that were 7.7 on the Richter scale. To put the energy budget into perspective, the Tsar Bomba, the largest nuclear weapon ever detonated, had a yield of 50 megatons of TNT (MT). This is equivalent to 50 million tons of TNT. However, earthquake that resulted from that explosion only reached 4.5 on the Richter scale.
In comparison, the earthquake in Turkey in 2011 was 7.7 on the Richter scale, making it nearly 70 times larger than the largest recorded earthquake from the Tsar Bomba. On that scale, the energy released by a magnitude 7.7 earthquake is estimated to be over 6,000 times greater than that of a magnitude 4.5 earthquake. To calculate the difference in energy, one can use the formula: Energy (in joules) = 10^(1.5 * (magnitude difference + 4.4)) where magnitude difference is the difference in magnitude between the two earthquakes. In this case, the magnitude difference between a magnitude 7.7 and 4.5 earthquake is 7.7 - 4.5 = 3.2, so the energy difference would be 10^(1.5 * (3.2 + 4.4)) = 10^(1.5 * 7.6) = 10^11.4 = 3.98 x 10^11 joules. This means that the energy released by a magnitude 7.7 earthquake is approximately 4 x 10^11 joules, which is over 6,000 times greater than that released by a magnitude 4.5 earthquake.
In other words, the TWO Turkey earthquakes both released more energy than 6,000 "Tsar Bombas." That's insane. I don't care WHAT theory you believe. If you cannot account for this energy budget, then you're 100% a fucking faggot.
So, we're to believe that HAARP somehow automagically transmitted a focused beam with the energy equivalent of 600,000 megatons of TNT across the planet to Turkey? And then sent that same amount of energy there again, resulting in a 7.7 Richter scale aftershock, THE NEXT DAY?? And that the entire operation was undetectable by everyone else on the planet (no warming the ionosphere, the beam was discrete and undetectable??). This is so ludicrous, I don't even know where to begin.
This is an absolutely MASSIVE energy budget, and, when spouting this potentially ridiculous theory, we need to at least have a basic understanding of what our 'conspiracy accusation' (that the gov't is sending earthquakes to other countries) requires to even remotely resemble a defensible theory!
This is literally ridiculous. But now this theory gets said casually as if it's a fact. So, to summarize, tell us again, how does it work?
HAARP sends an absolutely massive energy beam to the ionosphere. The beam can't be seen, felt, or detected or proven to exist by anyone.
The beam is somehow bounced off the ionosphere and the accurately focused on a specific point on earth. The beam leaves no detectable traces of its passage through the atmosphere, it interacts with the ionosphere in a 100% stealth way, detectable to no one, and it arrives and penetrates the ground in the target area, also completely stealth and undetectable
The ground absorbs the massive amounts of energy (over 600,000 megatons worth, PER 7.6 earthquake) and then, BAM! Earthquake
NATO member Turkey has no choice but to deal with (what will probably end up as) over 20,000 dead, and 50,000 injured, and yet, somehow, us 'conspiracy theorists' know it was a "government inside job" and yet Turkey doesn't say that, they don't protest the USA's actions, they don't take proof to the UN Security Council, they remain in NATO, they just go and clean up all the cities and say, "Whelp, looks like we got punked by the HAARP machine! Oh well!"
Honestly? Am I missing something? How do we even tolerate this, here, on an elite research board like GAW?? OK, so they say that HAARP sends "resonance waves." Great, OK, let's see some videos about how that works. Each step of this process, even if it is secret, should be able to be examined and confirmed to at least a believable level of confidence before proceeding. Can basic HAARP principles be seen in a lab? What do you think? I just feel we need to do better on shit like this!\
You are on target and on message.
This is tolerated on GAW because a lot of people here are ignorant of physics and the relevant technology, credulously listen to blowhards who are also ignorant of physics and relevant technology, and have a paranoid desire for the bad news to be true. They therefore adopt a "prove your innocence" attitude.
The energy is already present in earthquake zones. A weapon would only need to add enough energy to start the cascade of events leading to an earthquake.
Maybe they exist, who knows for sure.
Sure, I've considered that, but, OK, what's the energy budget we're talking about, here? And also, it's still energy that's bounced and focused off the ionosphere onto a specific spot, right? And the target country can't detect this?
One of the researchers that worked with HAARP searched for different stuff in the ground using frequencies. Like crude, nat gas, etc. At 30W. HAARP, per his word, uses upwards of 1 BIL Watts. Tesla proved he could take down a bridge using a discreet vibration. "Science" and data back all this up.
OK wait, Imma gonna need a sauce from you on this
You won't get sauce because people here love to spout bullshit that sounds cool but in reality is just...bullshit.
This post should be permanently at the top of this page and should be required reading in order to create an account here.
The more retarded bullshit we post here, the more of a disservice we do to Trump. Period.
There are so many more idiotic posts that get traction here, I would die of old age if I had to list them all. We need to focus on reality or we will end up in a gutter being laughed at by everyone. Again.
This. We're trying!
Lol the medbeds. Cracks me up
Oh, neat. Now that Romania is saying this, this comment I made and was suspended for before I even had a chance to "cItE mY sOuRcEs" is good to go? Where's the dB mod that was oh so pissed that I made this comment in the first place? Fn homo.
There are many here that have been sucked into a vortex of "evil" government have magically mastered the universe. The governments have done terrible things and have done some bizarre "experiments". Yes Nikola Tesla used the resonant frequency of the Earth to induce a wave that bounced off the core (mostly iron) and reflected back to the surface. This wave was re-induced in phase with the reflected wave and added to the strength. Theoretically you could cause catastrophic damage to the planet. The resonant frequency of the world is approximately 8 Hz. There are harmonics that can be utilized that are multiples of 8 Hz, however these have extremely limited range in air. The ionosphere would not reflect this frequency, it would absorb it and dissipate it. The HF spectrum 2-30 MHz has a unique ability to refract off the ionosphere for Beyond Line Of Sight communications, but variations to the thickness of the F1 and F2 layers (due to solar energy) can vary which frequencies are absorbed and which ones can be refracted back to the earth surface. Typically, 2MHz-4MHz are routinely absorbed throughout the entire daylight hours, they do refract at night and MAY be used for BLOS communications. The idea of using ANY audio frequency or below (20Hz-20kHz) is ludicrous. These subsonic frequencies that would possibly cause a resonant building in-phase wave with the earth do not propagate well through air, but instead can propagate long distances in water and solid earth. We have science folks, not magic.
Thank you for doing the clear math and the graphic. Yes, it makes me crazy when commenters start to claim things like the Tonga volcano was comms and of course we can set off volcanoes, or earthquakes, with a nuke or a rod from God or a directed energy weapon. No. Even if someone could, why would they? Why would such a fantastic expenditure of energy be made? The only thing more ridiculous are the reasons given. Isn't it wondrous enough that we live on chunks of rock hundreds of miles thick that are floating on molten rock a thousand miles deep? Isn't it unsurprising that the process might get bumpy at times? I want to believe the best about people but honestly it seems like some of these comments are a special kind of troll.
Exactly. Here we are with some fucked up uber secret ray that can literally cause a fucking volcano to erupt and what do we do with it? Cause a fucking volcano to erupt in the name of 'Comms'? Are you fucking serious? If I had a ray that could do that, I would send out a coded message to all the white hats in DC to GTFO in 72 hours. And on hour 73, I would lay waste to Washington DC and in one fell swoop, drain the fucking swamp forever. Period. End of story. There would be no need for secret Comms or Delta Analyses ever ever ever again. And anyone with half a brain would know for a fucking FACT that this is exactly how it would play out if such a ray existed.
So yeah. We cannot control, cause, or influence volcanos, earthquakes, tornadoes, hurricanes, floods, tidal waves, or any other fucking weather.
We need to get our asses out of Star Wars and back into the real world.
The tsar bomba detonated ~2.5mi above the ground. I get what you're saying and I agree with you, but this is a terrible argument.
The Tsar Bomba released about 58 TWh of energy.
A typical 8.0 earthquake releases about 18.6 TWh, the 2004 Indian earthquake was 30.6 TWh and registered about 9.1-3.
Now, I don't believe that the HAARP system is inducing earthquakes, but if it were, it wouldn't need to deliver the full 12-14 TWh, as most of that energy is stored as tension in the fault. The HAARP would only need to nudge the fault to slip and release its tension.
All that said, HAARP doesn't do that.
It was just an example. Underground 1MT nuclear tests generated 4.0 Richter scale seismic events. You can look it up yourself.
It was a bad example.
I have no idea why you're now talking about 1MT underground since the example you based all your math on was a 50MT air burst.
You ask a number of questions. I don't pretend to know everything, but there are several HAARP stations around the world: http://fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/environment/weather_and_climate/news.php?q=1391796727
The destructive power of HAARP is said to be in the generation of harmonic waves. I don't understand how it is focused, but I have read repeatedly that it can be focused anywhere in the planet, perhaps even into the ground as well as into the sky. The power of it has been likened to Tesla's "earthquake machine": https://mysteriousuniverse.org/2020/07/nikola-teslas-mysterious-earthquake-machine/ Whether or not the event attributed to this device ever happened, it is possible to develop incredible amounts of energy from a very modest standing wave. The Tacoma Bridge collapse is a prime example of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XggxeuFDaDU
This scientist claims that HAARP can set off earthquakes with 30 watts of power. He allegedly is an expert on using these waves in geological exploration, like locating gas or oil deposits: https://www.bitchute.com/video/yFjCazNIqtDC/
I have worked on seismic crews where we used "vibe" trucks and microphone bags to locate oil. It's so neat watching the helicopter pilot relocate the bags for us. Epic skill.
OK, I'm going to spend some time going through all this in the next couple days. I need to understand the basics of this theory. There are some pretty big holes, some pretty big "leaps," here. Thanks for this!!!
Dig into Tesla and also Royal Rife.
We have been fed the lie that brute-force energy is the only way to get things done. Oscillation, resonance and harmonics are more powerful than they want us to know.
Like the opera singer shattering a glass. It is sustained resonant frequency causing vibration which breaks apart molecule adherence. Like Royal Rife frequency machine break apart cell walls. Like that earthquake in Turkey, collapsed building structure walls. The question we must ask is, what science is actually Science since we have basically been LIED to about everything, why would we think anything the "controllers" state is Fact is in fact FACT. I say it is mostly just Fiction and we had better start search for TRUTH in everything. GAW converts in the past 20 years think FAKE news started since 2000. It's ALL FAKE NEWS.
No. We haven't been lied to about EVERYTHING. Otherwise, you would be part of it (right?). If nothing was true, our civilization would have never formed, because we depend on truth to sustain our technology and economy. The key is to discriminate between lies and truth. And in order to doubt what you are told, YOU HAVE TO BE EDUCATED IN THE SUBJECT. I shout only to emphasize that holding up bogus conspiracy theories because one has paranoid suspicions of scientific developments is the reaction of fearful ignorance. All it takes is some know-nothing snake oil salesman to get your paranoia all keyed up over something you don't understand, be it HAARP, CERN, nuclear technology, or space travel.
But we ARE part of it. In Fact we ARE the WHOLE of it. This entire existence is only here because we observe and believe it is here. After all, each of our Realities or Truths, is only a reflection of what we each Believe. Our little minds process, interpret, store, and then project the Truth we experience, created by our beliefs of what is TRUE in the first place. So if because of your beliefs, you only experience the reflection of reality that you Believe is possible (resonate with, have the same vibration as, are on the same wavelength with) , then you will only ever find PROOF that confirms your bias (belief) Hence, what is THE truth. Is there a TRUTH, truth? Or are we in fact writing and acting in our own movie. To BE or Not to BE.
I started my career in munitions...to learn that reality will go "boom" despite what my preferences might be. Science is the act of finding the truth, despite our wishes about it. It is not just a long, dreamy ride through the land of bias confirmation.
Thank you. The crystal healing style nonsense some GAW posters makes me borderline blackpilled about the ongoing reliability of this site. Glad some sanity remains.
Don't need to be trained in anything to work out the logic, that 4 guys with box cutters cannot realistically hijack an airplane with over 300 people on board.
In your imagination. All it takes is the demonstration of one bloody death, and 300 people are effectively trapped in seats that do not permit free movement. Especially when the prevalent indoctrination is that it is better to acquiesce to highjackings (as they only go to refuge nations).
You are an excellent example of an ignoramus thinking he knows it all.
You are an excellent example of an ignoramus who knows nothing about aviation.
No. Science can be figured out by anyone. That's literally what science is. It's why we didn't fall for the vax.
to me fake news started when Kennedy was assassinated. That is where my memories go back to. Today I am so tainted by fake news that I really have a hard time trusting anything they pushed on us since then.
There’s another poppycock theory. If opera singers could shatter glass it would be a common parlor trick and there would be videos everywhere. In reality, the human vocal tract cannot generate enough energy nor focus it finely enough to shatter a glass. Name the last singer to do it.
Mythbusters did it. It was extremely challenging, but with the help of a rock singer and a lot of practice finding the correct frequency they pulled it off. Sauce: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr3gWpxuJxE Edit; 2:40 ish into the vid a singer does it
LOL Poppycock. I like that word. But no, it is not "common" because it isn't just one note. The resonant (amplitude) frequency must be a match to the resonate frequency of the "glass" of which there are many types and thickness of glass/crystal, and then once matched it must be held at that resonance to create harmonic oscillation which can break adherence. This is quantum and it is usually by "accident" however; in earthquakes, this is what can cause liquification of rock, ground, and I suppose it is also what can allow the passing through of one "solid" object through another. Like walking through a wall. If all is "light, vibration and frequency" as Tesla was able to show, why would any of this proposed Science be Poppycock.
When we are told "this is FACT" and it becomes the basis for our beliefs, then we have just "LIMITED" our ability to experience anything outside of that paradigm. That is why "the end will not be for everyone" or "4-6% lost forever" because they will not be able to "resonate with Truth that their very eyes, ears, nose, etc are experiencing. (Religious Dogma being a Belief as well) That can then "shatter" your mind. Shutdown.
So its okay, call it Poppycock. Your brain, your mind, does not know what can't BE, until you convince it of what Can't BE. You see your Divine Light Code (DNA) is able to pull infinite inspiration directly from Divine Source and that is why the DNA and the ability to "LINK" must be destroyed. I KNOW we are a race of Hue Man and we have the ability to access infinite knowledge and potential and this TRUTH they have LIED to us about, because the Dumber we Believe we are, the Dumber we BECOME. We collectively are creating this SHITHOLE we are experiencing by our inability to "think NEW THOUGHTS". So try being a Scientist, and clear your mind, think of something you have never allowed yourself to believe possible, and hold that thought, vibrational alignment, resonate with it everyday for 17 days. I think you will find that the reality reflected back at you will then present you with PROOF of your New thought. LOL I have to stop now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNoJp1KUNnA
Kek
Brilliant, I also think that's closer to what is supposedly happening, but, you'll for sure agree that it's a LOOOONG way away from explaining "earthquakes from ionospheric energy" eh?
Yes. I want the the Truth about everything. There is sooooo much to KNOW.
That's not enough. That's merely "personal incredulity" masked with word salad
Yes, OK, but, just saying that shouldn't automatically preclude the emergency of a coherent, reasonably explainable theory of what exactly is happening, is my point.
Emergency?
Anyway, I'm late to the party (night shift time zone) but I'll add my 2 cents worth.
An earthquake releases stored energy. It can be triggered by a simple stream of water that lubricates two underground rock faces. There was a big hoohah in the UK about this when fracking triggered a small earthquake in the Midlands area.
The amount of energy required to trigger an earthquake therefore can be tiny.
Exactly how the HAARP antenna array could trigger an earthquake - only those involved in the projects know. I can't guess.
The HAARP antenna array certainly has the "steering" capability: the antenna phases can be altered to focus energy anywhere within visual range.
The original Russian "woodpecker" used pulsed radio frequency to achieve whatever it was designed for. (Top secret but probably weather modification.) By using line-of-sight microwave frequencies, the possibility of picking up the transmissions on an ordinary radio receiver (as per "woodpecker") is eliminated. Detection of microwave transmissions (afaik) is possible only within the beam.
Earthquakes are often preceded by "lights in the sky". I don't know when this was first observed but it's well documented. Microwave pulses aimed at the ionosphere could certainly ionise the air and produce "lights".
Don't be confused by the term "electromagnetic". Think of a microwave oven. It focuses a microwave energy beam on the turntable. If the beam is very narrow, it can be effective over a great distance (think "laser"). The HAARP array extends over a large area; the greater the width, the narrower the focus. (Think satellite TV dish.)
I'm an electronics engineer - think OLD - experienced (and modest, too!). I've dealt with high frequency equipment. Microwave energy reflects off surfaces. It can reflect off atmospheric layers. I can certainly believe that technology exists, which could trigger an earthquake. I was a teenager when I listened to the "woodpecker" on my vacuum tube radio. The Russians, Chinese and Americans have had six decades to work on this technology.
The idea of resonance should not be dismissed. If a powerful energy beam is pulsed at the Schumann frequency and aimed (or reflected) at the Earth, I can imagine that bad things could happen. It might be worth looking at this page when an earthquake occurs: https://in5d.com/todays-live-schumann-resonance-charts-and-resources/
I just bought "Angels don't play this HAARP - Advances in Tesla Technology".
(You can get a free PDF copy if you know where to look.)
There's an interview of the author discussing the book here (1995): https://files.catbox.moe/gkus9l.mp3
Gives a quick overview of the book. Worth a listen.
I once worked on and operated the radar system for SM1 and SM2 missiles. One of the radars was in the microwave range of frequencies and did as precisely you stated.
More HAARP news from Greece:
https://www.pronews.gr/amyna-asfaleia/toyrkia/atmosfaira-synomosiologias-stin-tourkia-o-fonikos-seismos-to-apokosmo-synnefo-kai-to-programma-haarp/
Translation: https://files.catbox.moe/94msew.pdf
It's no lie if that's the only way things can get done. Mumbo-jumbo has no power whatsoever. No evidence of it.
Be aware of the patent pushers. There are many patents related to HAARP and every other fantastic scheme. I had a friend who patented a means for gathering energy from black holes. Having a patent doesn't mean it works or exists, but it's a favorite "proof."
"Be[ing] aware of patent pushers," suggests that a patent existing for something is "not good evidence." On the contrary, it is excellent evidence. Getting a U.S. patent is not easy. If you successfully get a patent, it suggests that it is at least plausible within the context of sound principles of engineering.
I agree that such "excellent evidence" is not sufficient evidence to meet the burden of proof of "beyond a reasonable doubt" for something working or existing, but that doesn't make it not excellent evidence.
You can patent anything in the USA, even a perpetual motion machine. (but it has to come with a working model)
Some of the USN patents are batshit crazy, but they are there.
It has to come with a proven tested model, so it's a little more stringent than you suggest.
The patent approval process is not easy. It takes quite a bit. That doesn't mean that everything patented works, or that "a patent makes it true," but it does suggest that it is at the very least determined plausible by someone who has, at a minimum, a B.S. in the field of applicability of the device in question (electrical engineering for an electronic device, chemical engineering for a chemical device, etc.). In addition, if the device is "extraordinary," the patent process requires proof of work. If it is really extraordinary, it requires independent testing.
It's far from a perfect process, and I think there is a great deal of fuckery in there. I have seen evidence of both promoting things that don't work to purposefully cause "conspiracy theories" (most "crazy" conspiracy theories are created by the C_A as a form of controlled opposition), and purposefully not granting patents on things that do work for the purposes of highjacking real advancements.
You may be able to patent almost anything, but you can't just "get a patent." In addition, the more unlikely the product, the more likely the product was created by the government (or an affiliate), either as part of a black ops project, or for the reasons stated above.
As to perpetual motion...
A device that is filled with uranium surrounded by rocks to absorb (most of) the energy that creates heat is a "perpetual heating" device until you understand nuclear physics. A device that puts out more energy than it takes in is absolutely possible, including a device that requires zero energy input, and produces effectively unlimited energy. Such a device could work from now until the end of time if it say, took energy from the universe itself. Our current physics models state that what we call matter is just energy, but they also suggest there's a whole lot of energy in between all that "matter" stuff as well. On top of this "quantum vacuum energy", the universe seems to be on a course of accelerating expansion. Where is the energy coming from for that? No one knows. Presumably it's coming from some where, which means our concepts of "what the universe is" are likely missing something very important.
Regardless of the possibility or impossibility of a "perpetual motion device" (which is, I suggest, just a poor choice of words), if someone were to come up with a device that seems to draw energy from an unknown source, it would almost certainly not get a patent because the patent office, or rather the final determinant of the patent office, the National Bureau of Standards (now the NIST) was created by John D. Rockefeller (or rather, his agents) in 1901. This system was designed specifically as a gatekeeper for all technology. This ensured that no advancements would ever happen without the approval of the one and only corporation that exists in the world, built by John D. Rockefeller.
The owner of all energy (oil, coal, gas, nuclear, solar, etc.) would hardly want a device that produced "unlimited energy," thus any device that supplied such would be nipped in the bud post haste, if it existed.
Karpens Pile.
"Evidence" of what? That someone had a bright idea that was superficially plausible? Certainly not evidence of anything that is in practice or is workable. I have nine patents. One of them came from work that did result in a working model, but the patent examiners knew nothing of it.
I stated that ""excellent evidence" [in the patent] is not sufficient evidence to meet the burden of proof of "beyond a reasonable doubt" for something working or existing."
Which part of that are you protesting?
When you look at a patent for a device, if you have sufficient knowledge, you can work out how it works pretty reasonably. With such knowledge and investigation, you can also consider reasonable use cases. In the case of HAARP, it is stated that the technology works the same as the technology the patent describes. The technology description on official pages doesn't itself mention weather control, but the patent does. If you read the patent, it seems quite likely that it can be used for that purpose. Thus the patent, in this case, both describes the tech being used by HAARP and states "weather control" as a use for it, and also describes, very reasonably, how that is accomplished. It's more than just "plausible" that it is being used to modify the weather. Thus the patent for HAARP is very good evidence, thus "pushing the patent" is very sound in the exposition of this being used outside of its officially stated parameters of "measuring the ionosphere."
The patent for the HAARP tech (linked above) is stated to modify the weather. This patent was awarded to BAE Systems in 1987. The HAARP contract was awarded to BAE Systems a few years later.
This third piece of evidence of BAE Systems strongly supports the idea that HAARP is being used to modify the weather.
In all cases using the patent as evidence is very sound, and thus being a "patent pusher" makes you a very good investigator.
Which was my point.
Having said that, I can't find evidence of it being used to start earthquakes, as I have mentioned in other replies. That doesn't mean it isn't, but I doubt it is. No one is "pushing the patent" for that use case though, so suggesting that "pushing patents" is bad evidence is neither accurate nor applicable. If a patent says something is being used for something, and that something looks like it is happening, then it is good evidence. It's just not sufficient.
Just because I don't think HAARP is being used to create earthquakes doesn't mean that earthquakes aren't intentional through other technology.
Is it feasible for you to reiterate a capsule description of the weather modification mechanism? (By which I do not mean technology, but the physical principle.) Even similar principles don't always indicate implementation. An electric razor works on the same principle as a hedge trimmer, but you wouldn't argue that people are going around at night trimming hedges with electric razors because they were part of the same invention description. Just due diligence.
Scratch that---I read through most of the patent enough to get to the weather modification language. Sheer hand-waving. They are talking about manipulating the ions of the ionosphere to dump them into the lower atmosphere. They have this little problem called the stratosphere. All the ionic character would be dissipated at stratospheric altitudes, and up there is not much atmosphere. What do I know? I took the graduate courses in plasma physics and magnetohydrodynamics. Does that make me an "expert"? Maybe not, but I am more expert than someone who hasn't had the coursework---and who also doesn't understand that the stratosphere is a barrier to ionospheric currents.
Patents are assertions. They can never stand as evidence of implementation (unless the patent references practical implementation). It's not just a matter of "sufficient evidence"; it is not evidence at all. I have nine patents and the only one that grew to fruition was by means of an alteration that took it outside of patent protection. (The people who did that didn't have the wit to revise the patent. Something of a lost cause.)
Another way of looking at it would be to compare the patent to a crime novel, and then use the novel as "evidence" that the author was contemplating (and maybe committing) a crime. Happens often enough in cheap TV crime shows.
Don't place unlimited faith in the patent inspectors. They can be convinced of a plausibility they don't fully understand. In my last patent, one aspect of the invention depended on a particular physical flow phenomenon. I figured "what the heck?" and wrote that into the description. The patent was awarded. So I was able to patent a physical phenomenon! (Not supposed to be possible.) This will be a total obstacle to anyone who tries to get around my patent in attempting anything similar!
Supporting your argument with credentials is always a poor path to take. I could say I have similar background (though my coursework that included plasma physics was technically during undergrad), but that also is meaningless. The argument (logic or supposition) and/or supporting evidence itself is the only thing that actually adds to a logical argument. Putting forth pro-hominem support is an argumentative fallacy, having nothing to do with an argument itself, only used to bolster it falsely.
Prove it. Like, show that you can't create a plasma at that altitude and hold it with the addition of energy (polarized photons) designed exactly for that purpose for the length of time required to cause a shift in the weather underneath that plasma (creation of a cold front e.g.). Hell, forget proof, I'll settle for any experimental evidence whatsoever. Even something as simple as an energy analysis would be something.
Your supposition that the stratosphere would eliminate too quickly an induced plasma without actual evidence to support it is exactly that, supposition. I mean, it's not an unfair protest, but it must be recognized as pure supposition without any actual evidential support.
They can absolutely stand as evidence of implementation.
I think you are confusing "evidence" with "proof." Proof is a decision that the evidence meets some standard of proof (preponderance of the evidence, beyond a reasonable doubt, etc.). Proof is (in effect) a verb. It uses the nouns (facts AKA evidence) and adds them up until the individual person is satisfied that a certain burden of proof is met.
A patent is evidence (a fact) that someone has a plan. If one is trying to solve a murder, and a suspect has a plan, laid out completely, with details and models and all the math, there is a really good chance they committed that murder, or intend to. At the least not putting forth that plan as evidence would be negligent to any honest investigation.
The patent holder is also a part of the evidence. In this case it is the very same people who created HAARP. Ignoring that as meaningful evidence is just being willful, or intentionally blind, or succumbing to cognitive dissonance.
I wasn't. I wasn't saying something was "truth." I was saying it was evidence. I was saying it was good evidence. It is. It's very good evidence. The evidence isn't in "patent inspectors," but in the patent itself. No faith required. What it isn't is proof, or at least for me the patent alone doesn't meet any reasonable standard of proof. Even all together it doesn't meet "beyond a reasonable doubt" for me. I'm not even sure if it meets "preponderance of the evidence" for me. But it absolutely meets the standard of "there is something there worth looking into more," at the least. Your protest, while not unsound, is supposition. Supposition, while it can be very useful to guide an investigation, isn't admissible as evidence itself.
Throwing my uninformed 2 cents in the mix but along the lines of science not craziness, what if the Grammys being right before and being a massively (or they try to still be) broadcasted event could provide cover for energy and radio outputs. Doesn't mean it has to be the Grammys but like the Superbowl is in 3 days as well as to why other nations don't call us on it.
I did not know you were a Doodle Bugger! KEK
^this is why Fringe was basically my favorite show of all time
You could probably do this, but not with 30 watts, and building something resonant would literally destroy the earth.
The main point I like to make is that to generate an earthquake that released as much energy as a Tsar Bomb, you dont have to input energy equivalent to this.
Think about a very tall jenga tower. You do a minor flick with your finger at the bottom, and the whole tower collapses releasing orders of magnitude more energy than you put in.
The theories I find believable talk about vibrations that can resonate with certain "strings" below the earth, causing those vibrations to cascade and displace, in the process causing an earthquake that is far more powerful than the vibrations used.
I find that theory quite believable.
For correct question is "is it possible to have a technology that could be used to trigger earthquakes, are certain areas under certain conditions ?"
It maybe HAARP, it may be vibrations, it make be shaped charges inside the earth, or anything else.
The answer to that would be "I cannot imagine why such a technology is not possible"
For the record, I even predicted a false flag in Turkey just 9 days before.
If the implication is that this earthquake is a coincidence, I am not buying it.
1st Law of Thermodynamics: you have to get the energy from somewhere. It doesn't come from nothing. The cases of resonant structural failure result from a continuous input of power, adding up to the energy necessary to trigger the collapse. It doesn't happen until you get to the breaking point.
But pay attention to the balance. The jenga tower has energy put into it by its construction (gravitational potential energy).
The "vibrations can do anything" line of thinking is no theory. It is magical thinking. They can do a lot, in certain circumstances, but they are not magic.
Every earthquake is a coincidence. There were earthquakes before there was technology. So also, volcanic eruptions.
Yeah this is the most logical way to view it. E=mc^2, it isn’t magic.
It did a pretty convincing magic trick to make lots of people disappear instantly though. However, they never came back, so not sure that counts as a 'trick'.
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There are no coincidences.
Every radioactive decay is a coincidence. The entire world is filled with them. Even inside your body. The existence of random events entails the occurrence of coincidences, with mathematical certainty.
You are just here to shut debate, shut it down by insulting all who you don't want to speak.
I see you.
No, I am not here to shut off debate. And I made no insult. I am here to dispel ignorance and confusion. And your response to my statement was not in the least to argue with it, but to get pissed off at me for saying something. You made a foolish statement and now you can't defend it. (No surprise. It was indefensible.)
So, what do you see? Think twice before answering. Will you be describing what image you have inside your head?
You did not insult me this time, but that is a rare event for you, you insult most on here which you readily admit doing in your quest for more loosh for your master/mistress the Queen of Heaven.
I have posed an insult to you on this thread, any replies to that then Chort?
Oh, it's you! Those fractional "reply" threads are difficult to place. I don't spend much time memorizing handles.
Well, you didn't describe what you see, so that turned out to be a punk subject.
I don't know what "loosh" is or who "the Queen of Heaven" is. I am neither Ukrainian nor Russian, so "chort" does not bother me. So, as far as I am concerned, no shots were even fired. Which is a great pity, because I have come to understand that when my debate partner gives up on answers and resorts to insults, they have lost their case. There are coincidences, and the world can't get along without them (see: the kinetic theory of gases).
Yes, but, wait—the laws of conservation of energy state that the energy needed to destroy a tower was first spent in its construction. For the entire life of the building, it stores its own destructive energy from the moment of its construction. The act of deconstructing a critical support is only the act of releasing the kinetic energy that was invested, say, 40 years earlier.
Yes! I want to see more lab work demonstrated on this.
Whatever it is, from a legal standpoint, using this technology on another country is an act of war, plain and simple, and, if this technology spreads and propagates, it will be used by other countries against us. But, that's not happened because, frankly, no one yet can satisfy what I'm saying about the energy budget, here.
You didn't call an earthquake, tho. Not trying to split hairs unfairly on you, tho, but, that's a bit long of a stretch as far as predictions go. If the implication is that this earthquake is a coincidence, you must explain it to a higher level of resolution than merely predicting "something" happening as a "false flag." There are more steps, here, and they need to be explained, at least to a level where the "jump" from one assumption to the next makes plausible scientific sense. At the moment, it does not.
I'm not sure exactly what you are trying to get at here scientifically. The earth's crust is always under tremendous stress. Each point is being gravitationally attracted to the center, the pressure from lower layers is holding it up, and it is being pulled on by the moon and other bodies. If you can simply relax the pressure some how in a small area, you can tap tremendous amounts of energy as the forces readjust to a new equilibrium. You don't need to feed the system with the amount of energy you get out.
So we, i.e. humans, don't need to input that energy. Earthquakes merely release the energy that is stored from all kinds of gravitational energy sources that have been present for eons. All we need to do is provide the activation energy. After that it is fully exothermic. It's like saying a toddler can't fire a gun because he didn't create the bullet. All he needs is enough strength to pull the trigger. The potential energy for the devastation is already present in the environment.
Correct, but the construction does not need to happen right now. It might be a structure formed over years. For example, an atomic bomb can set off huge amount of energy by being triggered by a small conventional bomb to set off the chain reaction. The energy being set off was already present in the material long before.
These technologies, if they exist, it would not be one country using against another. It would be the Cabal using it against any country whose leaders go strongly against them, and they dont have alternate means to control them. I do think they use elections, popular uprisings, sanctions, financial crimes etc, before resorting to weaponised weather.
I didn't. My point is, a false flag in Turkey was visible miles away for anyone watching what was going on. And exactly at that point they are hit with an earthquake. It should at least raise our "no coincidences" red flags.
No one here can either prove that such tech is available nor disprove that such a technology is impossible. All we are doing is thinking about possibilities.
My point is that, it is very hard to deny that possibility.
Um, that's not how nukes work (I literally am an expert) but, I see what you're saying, you're saying that conventional explosives impact the core nucleus to achieve critical mass, OK, sure, but
With no disrespect intended, anyone that reads the link you just posted and assumes that is an idiot. No, you absolutely did not mention earthquake at all.
My point is that it is 100% scienfic folly to assume that possibility.
100% eh? I don't think any human being can ever believe/disbelieve anything with 100% certainty, because we have no way of knowing the nature of our Universe.
I am not sure what the confusion here is. I only predicted a false flag. I never claimed to predict an earthquake. I am point out the coincidence between the prediction of a false flag and observation of an earth quake.
That's precisely how nuclear bombs work. :(
Some nuclear weapon designs do use a conventional charge to compress an atomic mass into a smaller space so that it will go prompt critical. So they're not really wrong.
e=mc²
Bollocks. There is more than one sort of mass, how many do you want?
Working in a patents office is a gift for plagiarists.
Amen.
The original interwebs...
f=ma
E = I x R
These are at odds. The energy required is implicit in your first statement. The energy of the earthquake is already there in the construction of the planet. This energy is further added to from the sun which heats it up and keeps that battery we call "the core" spinning. The system has as close enough to an infinite energy store as makes no nevermind (at least on the scales we are talking about).
https://yewtu.be/channel/UCDlTlFdpcElvHsjH-b6ieBA
https://yewtu.be/channel/UCsELkVA5QDltjjIHyL7mWYQ
https://yewtu.be/channel/UCvHqXK_Hz79tjqRosK4tWYA
Tip of the iceberg...
This was interesting and was posted recently on the vibration effects like strings being plucked at certain frequencies and for certain durations.
https://greatawakening.win/p/16aA4OUP9L/how-haarp-changes-the-earths-fre/c/
Why did you think Turkey? Because of NATO? I find it very interesting coincidence crude oil price is about to blow up and Turkey´s stock market is at its peak but someone already sold.
Erdogan is yet another "quantum operative" - is he good, is he bad, is he on the Cabal side, is he against? No one can tell.
Turkey and Japan are two long time countries outwardly doing the Globalist bidding, but going against them secretly.
NATO is I think the tipping point for Turkey and it reached 2 weeks ago where they made it very clear they are not going along.
I think the tipping point for Japan is getting here, even as we speak, and something terrible is in store for them. I will be bold enough to predict a huge earth quake hitting them is one of the possibilities. It could even be a devastating volcano. Or a nuclear disaster, tsunami - anything.
He's not a mystery at all. He's a Turkish Islamist. He makes no secret of being a dictator, being expansionist with regards to Syria, his desire to expand NATO, his disdain for Christians who don't submit to Islam. He doesn't like wokeness. He supports "immigration" jihad and sees exporting his population to Germany as part of that effort. He maintains the NATO alliance for historical and geopolitical reasons. It is better not to make enemies unnecessarily, especially if they're nominally your allies. Because he's a Turk, he doesn't quite get along with the Arabs in the Islamic world, but they find agreement on things like Israel, the EU, the US, and China more often than not.
He's a dictator who's not afraid to wield power, which we saw by him absolutely crushing the 10,000-man coup d'etat some while back. Many were executed in the purge that followed. And despite the economic distress his country is seeing now, his country views him as a strong leader with a favorable vision for his country and they're backing him even as inflation rises.
Erdogan isn't much of a mystery to any clear thinking person. He might be to a Leftist who seem perpetually baffled at the possibility that people could disagree with their "sainted" opinions, but not to folks who frequent this site.
Pretty much what we all thought about Putin, Xi, Kim etc. So.
Can you please explain what exactly in the fuck is a 'string below the earth'? That is nothing more than a magic word meant to misdirect people away from reality.
It refers to string theory, an unproven "theory of everything" that posits all matter in universe can be thought of as a vibrating string. Getting the vibrations synchronized allows would allow people to focus the power of nature for their purposes. That's the highly abridged, ultra-shortened version, but when it's referred to this way, the people talking are typically suggesting someone made a machine that causes this kind of vibrational focus and that explains [X]. In this case, they're claiming someone caused an earthquake.
In reality you'd have a much stronger argument just looking at known fault lines with a high school understanding of continental drift. Turkey gets earthquakes because Africa's working its way towards colliding with Europe.
I've read comments from noted experts in the field of string theory who basically say that anyone claiming to know anything about string theory is wrong.
You misunderstand the idea of HAARP.
The earthquake was already building. It just needs a push in the right spot to push it over the edge. It doesn't need 6000 Tsar Bombas worth of energy to cause the earthquake. It just needs a nudge in the right direction, at the right time, and all hell breaks loose.
If HAARP is an energy system, it most likely utilizes the resonant frequency of underground fault pressures. Wiggle and jiggle it just right, and you get a chain reaction. That's the same logic behind nuclear fission.
You've made assumptions that they're using a 1:1 delivery payload rather than kicking the legs out from under an already precariously perched table.
https://youtu.be/3mclp9QmCGs
This isn't fake science. It's real. You match the right impulse of a system, and that system will fail. You don't need to press every point with an immense, equal pressure. You only have to poke the right spot at just the right times.
Think of it like a swing set. If you know how to swing, you'll know the right points in time to shift your weight. It's no different with a fault line -- you just need to figure out exactly where to press and when to press.
You need to do way, WAY better than this, son. You have 7 days. Otherwise, I'm sending you to Saturn and back.
Are you banning sleepydude now too? What am I reading? Have I entered an alternate universe? I thought people putting their points forward. What?
I think he's tired of the fact-absent BS. He's laying down the ultimatum: put up or shut up. Either we're going to do some proper research and deal with this thing with some actual technical and scientific rigor or this speculation needs to stop.
I totally get it. For me, I'm in healthcare, so the wild speculation about vaccines and the random cures for everything that finds its way onto this board drives me bonkers. Minimal evidence, piss poor sources, poor quality studies taken wildly out of context, "It worked for my great grand aunt, so it must be true", etc. It drives me nuts. Pfizer and Moderna lied so we're supposed to throw out the entire field of medicine and go back to old wives' tales and whatever random herbs are growing in the garden. There's simply no rigor in the thinking.
Part of that is free speech. Free speech allows for people to speak with minimal expertise about stuff they don't understand. Then we have to have more free speech to correct it. In this case, catsfive is using his bully pulpit to demand some higher quality discussion. Put up or shut up. If there's something there, let's start dealing with some actual technical detail. This discussion needs to start sounding like a college physics class.
No, just the people who have corrupted it for financial gain and power.
And how do you know the real ones from the snake oil sales men? Their political beliefes?
No, whether they kept their vow to do no harm or not.
As far as I can tell, about 90-95% of them are culpable and a party to genocide.
How do you know if what theyre peddling does harm or not? Who do you trust to tell you it wont cause harm? And why do you trust them?
No, I'm against word salad. Continue.
Why can’t I upvote this more! Darn it. Agreed!
Because even mods only get one upvote apparently.
Isn't it time for your monthly post?
HAARP, flat earth, the aliens are coming.
All are put out by the deep state to keep the normies viewing the community as a bunch of nuts. It is pure disinformation/misdirection, and they have been doing the same thing for decades.
The problem is everyone says this about anything beyond their own personal level of awakening. Not saying what people have to believe or not believe, but isn’t it mighty convenient that right where a person’s comfort level ends, that’s where the misinformation/disinformation starts? I mean this is literally what we see amongst Trump supporters with Q, amongst Democrats with the Covid injection and Hunter Biden’s Laptop, amongst the GOPe and Election Fraud, amongst normies and Epstein Island, amongst older people and 9/11, amongst women and Sandy Hook. Wherever that line of comfort stops, boom, that’s exactly where the misinformation/disinformation begins, and so it all gets written off as nothing to investigate or pay any attention to.
Obviously actual misinformation/disinformation exist, but as a general rule, I don’t really like this as an argument or reason for dismissal because it doesn’t really mean anything. Anyone is able to declare misinformation/disinformation at any point they want and there will be plenty of others to confirm that yes, they agree, and then start insulting anyone who says otherwise.
Nothing I said is above my personal level of awakening. The three things I mention are pure deep state created bullshit. If you are standing up for those three things you are either an idiot or a troll.
Literally making my point fren. I could copy and paste this response with the details changed to Sandy Hook or 9/11 or Covid or Election Fraud or Q with different people in different places and it’s the exact same thinking. What do Trump supporters on The_Donald say about people who believe the Q drops were validated by Trump? We are all idiots or shills or trolls or feds trying to make Trump look bad. What do Democrats say about questioning Sandy Hook? Idiots, grifters, conspiracy theorists, lunatics.
Look, I actually DON’T believe in aliens, for example. That’s my hunch. But I don’t believe that EVERYONE who believes in aliens is by definition an idiot or a troll or a fraud or a fed or anything like that, and as much as I doubt, do I KNOW for sure aliens are a hoax? Of course not. How could anyone? So why ad hominem everyone who thinks differently? Wouldn’t it be better to say, “Hey man, we agree on 90% of shit, we both want to defeat the pedophiles, so let’s work together on doing that and agree to disagree on aliens.”
lol, go to patriots.win and talk about Trump being Q+ and they need to trust the plan.
They will tell you the same thing and call you the same names....
That is why I don't go to patriots.win. I don't care to suffer through idiots shit.
It's turtles all the way down, apparently.
You mean turtle. We are all living on the back of a giant turtle.
I need sauce for this!! Haha 🐸
lol, believe it or not there is a myth for this.
https://reader.activelylearn.com/authoring/preview/960058/notes
I hear ya. I have trouble trusting anything now days. It all seems like such a psy-op so I try to keep an open mind and take an interest in many points of view so if and when the truth ever comes out I might be like, 'Hmmmm, So that guy wasn't full of shit after all!"
I still feel though that we are all waaaaay off. Q states the deeper we go the more unreal it all becomes (paraphrasing).
This is my philosophy as well. Keep track of the data points and wait for the truth to be revealed. Speculation here is fun and part of the process of separating truth from fiction but these more nebulous claims are better left in the background when fighting the war at hand because truthfully they are inconsequential in that fight at this time.
Thats a really good point.
This is exactly how I view it, too.
1 of those things is not like the other… HAARP is in the same category as the LHC
The aliens aren't coming, they've been here all along.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGGP525IiCI&t=45s
In his books, Mr. Hall describes three different alien species.
Watched today's "and we know" and this is what they pushed... Also said there were strange clouds above etc...
If you didn't witness them first hand, then it's all speculation. The saying used to be "believe none of what you hear, half of what you see"
Now with CGI videos, etcetera, can you even believe what's seen on a screen?
I believe in order to have this discussion and other matters of the same subject, we should always keep an open mind without shutting down one subject or another.
The only truth is WE JUST DON'T KNOW MUCH about anything at all. There is no concrete 100% yes or no. We can only theorize. To have a healthy discussion, I personally and humbly think we need to keep all options open and not feel the need to say an absolute NO to one theory or another because this discussion is unlike other discussions regarding morals or ethics, which I believe have a strong definite answer like "Pedo is wrong. Killing is wrong. Grooming is wrong. Patriotism is good. Sovereignty is necessary."
Agree, but, an "open" mind should be measured in milimeters, step by step, not automatically "gaping" so wide as to drive a truck (such as this theory is) through!
I have scanning checkpoints on my open-door policy, so that anything passing through each subsequent gate is subjected to stricter entrance criteria.
The last place in the journey is my belief system, and you'd be surprised at what does (and doesn't) make it through all the way :)
BOOM
Of course. Everyone should do their own research too and think for themselves and not fall for the herd mentality, even in science.
Open mind doesn't mean accepting wild speculation and magical thinking without a shred of evidence.
We know a lot about how earthquakes work. Geology isn't exactly a new science. We also know a lot about civil engineering and why houses near fault lines that are constructed of cheap materials, poorly reinforced, and poorly maintained will collapse. Further, we understand politics and why the collective west seems to be completely ignoring this humanitarian disaster and not sending much of anything to help. Nothing about this situation is really a mystery except for the people who are trying to act like some ultra wealthy family don is sitting in some control room orchestrating the earthquakes and the weather to suit his whims.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. And this HAARP thing never seems to come with much proof.
Ain't no science in Jesus and I rely on him every single day.
This!
I'm not sure about HAARP, but a directed energy beam with energy the size of an earthquake is not required to cause an earthquake.
In general, an earthquake is caused by tectonic plates moving against each other. You can think of the interface between two tectonic plates like an "accident waiting to happen." In other words, there is a tremendous amount of potential energy there, waiting to be released. How likely it is to be released is based on how stable the structure is between the two plates, not on how much energy will be released. Think of this like an "activation energy."
For example, a ball sitting on top of a pencil, even if it is perfectly balanced and "stable" is pretty likely to fall off. Thus all the potential energy stored in the ball will very likely be released. (It will take very little energy to release the potential energy stored in the system). A ball sitting on top of a curved niche, sitting just as high as the pencil, but that perfectly fits that ball, will have just as much potential energy to be released as the pencil situation, but a much less likely chance for it to be released. It is in a much more stable position, even though the potential energy is identical.
In each case the amount of energy required to take it away from it's stable position is only the amount of energy required to do so; very little in the pencil case, more in the curved niche case. But this activation energy has (basically) nothing to do with the potential energy stored in the system. It is the potential energy stored in the system when the earthquake happens that is what is read by a seismograph, not the activation energy (at least in any system where the activation energy is much less than the stored potential energy, like a natural tectonic shift).
This holds true for any place where the energy required to take a system out of equilibrium is less than the potential energy stored in the system, not just for tectonic plates.
Great explanation!
Sure, this is the theory, but, now describe how the weapon works. There's a huge unsupported jump, here.
I'm addressing your protest of the amount of energy required. It doesn't require that much energy. It doesn't require anywhere even close to that much energy. My point is only that something you stressed as incredible in your protest is not taking into account that any such "earthquake device" would take advantage of stored potential energy.
As to the other, as far as I understand, HAARP uses microwaves to cause a targeted heating in the ionosphere. I can't imagine how such action could possibly cause earthquakes. However, me not understanding how something works doesn't mean it doesn't work.
IMO, If there is a weapon that is able to cause directed earthquakes I doubt it is HAARP. I think that something that sets up a resonance within the earth is a more likely method. It wouldn't actually take that much energy to make that happen (no where near the energy released, at least potentially), and such a system could apply whatever energy was required over time, as a function of setting up that resonance, targeted at flaws in the earth. Alternatively, directed heating taking advantage of similar flaws could also potentially produce similar results. In either case, such hypothetical weapons would be some form of directed energy, taking advantage of flaws (fault lines) or other weak points in the earth's crust that already exist (they are all over the place), substantially reducing the energy input requirements.
Finally it is conceivable to create a directed energy weapon that heats up the subsurface sufficiently to create magma pockets deep underground, or even excite and/or expand magma pockets that already exist. This would cause the earth above it to move, shift, and/or fall. Again, a lot less energy is required to do this than the energy potentially released.
I am making these things up. I don't know if they exist, but I don't think it is impossible. Given the resources these people have, I don't even think it's that hard.
Honestly, who knows what's what, with all the lies we've been fed on every side. However, I have some points to make. I'm sorry I can't be super-high effort tonight, I actually have a deadline to meet for work, but anyways...
So I don't know what caused the quakes in Turkey, but I do believe it's not beyond the scope of credibility to say they could have been caused by human technology.
I appreciated your post, Cats, and the critical thinking that went into it. We should push back more often on what we say to each other here. It makes us sharper and less prone to erroneous thinking. Carry on, soldier.
"So you're telling me that NASA is going to kill the president with an earthquake?"
Shortly thereafter an earthquake hits Turkey, where the president was supposed to be.
--Conspiracy Theory 1997
Ok, 2 things I know of lead credence to HAARP and the potential feasibility for the manipulation of earth quakes.
First, HAARP can and is used to guide "or steer" large rotating storm systems. I have seen it demonstrated in small scale controlled laboratory conditions and it's actually very simple to create high or low pressure systems. HAARP absolutely has the ability and there is military literature on it.
HAARP uses intense high powered RF from large arrays focused into a single point in the ionosphere, which does make a bulge in the ionosphere, when abruptly turned off the ionosphere snaps back into place and actually creates a reverse bulge, which is how it can nudge massive cyclone one way or the other. It's actually not rocket science.
HAARP, also can act as ground penetratingly radar, it bounces a focused signal off of the ionosphere back into the ground or sea, which is also how signals can be sent to submarines.
Now when it comes to earthquakes, one of the things Nichola Tesla figured out was the mass destruction that can be caused by the reverse use of sympathetic resonance principle called destructive interference. We've all seen the video of the huge suspension bridge that blew itself to pieces because the wind at the right angle and speed made a sound vibration at just the perfect wave length to cause destructive interference with the suspension cables and decking's construction.
RF (radio frequency) is just electromagnetic waves and we can choose the vibration speed or wavelength to transmit or receive.
In the case of HAARP, we know it can transmit at various frequencies, we know it can penetrate soil and water and if the resonance of the earth's fault line or plate is known, the HAARP can easily send an RF signal at the correct wavelength to cause destructive interference with the natural resonance of the earth at a specific point and depth.
Again, none of this is rocket science there is tons of documentation on the subject but I just got home from work and don't feel like doing everyone's homework for them.
Prove this. Give me something to investigate. Don't just say this. This is dogshit without something to go on.
Great, explain the energy budget.
Go deep. Explain this. Provide papers, PDFs, youtube videos. I'm OK with spending MONTHS on this, but, give me what I need to understand this. Otherwise, this is just yakkity bullshit (sorry to come off as so crucial).
OK, which ones
Oh? Just home from work, are you? WELL, get settled on in, hey, and drop us a note when you're comfy, sport, OK? Right, you will be back on GAW when you're ready to do exactly that. I have permanently removed your account, pending your reply. Pls use modmail
I'm not joking around
C5
Huh? Did you just remove this dude's account because you haven't received his response citing his sources yet? What the heck?!?
"I'm not here to do someone's homework for them" NO, YES, YOU ARE. We all are. That's what "here" is. GAW is an elite research board, not a digital daycare for low effort skaters. That attitude, above, will get someone moved to the sidelines ALL DAY. This is not a game. Hit the Q telegram groups if you're not here to work. The mod team answers only to our highest effort posters and we have absolutely no hesitation to "de-clutter" the board.
C5 is providing the discipline we currently lack as a group to cite resources when making claims.
Harsh? Possibly, what else will get people's attention to the problem at hand?
imho it goes deeper than just HAARP, it's about efforts to undermine GAW.
PDW was easily inundated with yahoo's to subvert it, we have a much stricter code of conduct here, so it's that much harder to subvert, it needs to be subtle.
With that in mind, how do the mods identify and tell the difference between a well-meaning frog and a schill sent to disrupt us?
THAT is literally insane!
Making cyclones is a proven science.
Seed the clouds with radio reflective particles the size of dust motes, the water in the clouds condenses around them to make rain, so the whole cloud system can be steered by pulses of RF beams. Spin them round to make them stronger and steer them to wherever you want. It take a lot of infrastructure to do this, expensive infrastructure.
Yes.
Really. Where? When? How large was this small scale? Who demonstrated it? How was the demonstration held? Who was in attendance? How was success and/or failure measured? Where are the results published?
Really. Please point me to a link of this literature. I would love to read it.
Whats this all about?
https://curiosmos.com/our-planet-rang-like-a-bell-for-20-minutes-and-scientists-dont-know-why/
One hundred years nearly to the minute of the end of the first World War.
"and scientists don't know why"
It was very likely the birth of an underwater volcano.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/strange-waves-rippled-around-earth-may-know-why
So what? If someone were using some weird ass weapon or doing a proof of concept for it, why the fuck would they tip themselves off by timing it to line up with a historical event? Guess what? Sometimes shit just happens whenever. If you look hard enough you can find a wonky coincidental timing with just about any major event in the world. But that doesn't mean you've uncovered some uber secret. It very possibly just means you've been down in the hole for too long.
Down the hole for too long? Not possible, but if you go around believing Nat Geographic you need to wake up.
PS, there was no underwater volcano.
Really? Are you an extreme depth underwater research diver and/or submarine crew member? The captain perhaps? No? Well then surely you are a marine seismologist. Oh. No? Well then perhaps a global geologist? Wait. No again?
Oh I see. Just some voice on GAW that refuses to admit they might actually be wrong? Well OK then.
Here is a fucking picture of the damn thing:
https://africatimes.com/2019/05/17/mayotte-quake-swarm-linked-to-newly-discovered-undersea-volcano/
And here is more information about the region in general. Note that the island in question is of volcanic origin and that entire part of the world is a volcanic center and has been for over 7 million years.
And here is more information about the volcanoes in the immediate area.
Your entire attitude is EXACTLY what catsfive was talking about when he made this post. We HAVE to be able to realize that sometimes, we miss the target. Sometimes, the weird ass theories don't stack up. Sometimes...yes sometimes we are in fact, wrong. NO ONE is always right and NO ONE is always wrong.
So now, I have provided many sources of proof for the existence of the volcano. Can you provide any evidence that it does not in exist? I mean other than you stating 'there was no underwater volcano'. Or how about evidence that what happened on 11/11/18 was in any way at all related to something other than a seismic marine event.
An undersea volcano that drives a ULF sine wave of 17 seconds between peaks and troughs for 20 minutes, all at the same depth? As it says, it seemed to be musical.
And nobody can explain this at all, except to say it didn't seem to be natural, can you prove it was a volcano that produced this?
The Nat Geo is not evidence, and all the Africa Times article talks about is a volcanic swarm that stared in May 2018 on the other side of the island to where the confluence of three tectonic plates are that produced this musical note, it says nothing at all about the Nov 11th event despite being written in 2019.
Thank you Cat.
That's why I am still sitting on the fence about earthquakes generated by HAARP. I am more inclined to believe they have a tunnel underneath there where they set something off from deep underground.
you are assuming the whole force of the earthquake needs to be generated by haarp?
I don't think the relationship between the earthquakes and the ionosphere is fully understood by conventional science. it may not be necessary to generate the whole force of an earthquake, but just to manipulate something and let nature do the rest.
physics nerd mistake lol
edit: just because you can calculate something, doesn't mean you should ;)
Definitely an unsupported assumption, but, ok, if it's not, can someone describe the theory? Or is it just "muh automatic resonance" and that's it?
what theory of yours suggests that the energy of haarp must be equal to the energy of an earthquake? are you saying that you do fully understand the relationship between earthquakes and the ionosphere?
there are many different kinds of reactions in nature, many of which we don't understand.
personally I don't know that haarp was used to generate earthquakes. but i believe its a plausible theory, maybe even more plausible than assuming it is only capable of its officially stated purpose.
There may be some ability to trigger vibrations below the earth's surface, whether it is HAARP or some other technology. Supposedly the Russians have a submarine that fires a torpedo armed with a nuclear warhead at the seabed off the coast of a target area that triggers tsunamis. There was also that seismic event in November 2018 that "rang the earth like a bell" with an unnatural wave pattern.
I get your analytical approach but these weapons are not conventional
The weapons that cause the earthquakes are philosophical weapons. They date back to Tesla, John Trump, and even further to ancient civilizations (old testament middle east as well as lost civilizations like incan, mayan, etc)
Ever read all those articles about time being philosophical? Those are not just pretentious rambling , they are trying to "leak" the idea of abstract concepts having tangible applications
Our government has researched remote viewing , astral projection, chi/qi energy as a weapon, time travel, teleportation, animal whispering, and many other esoteric things. We have had prototype railguns since the 80s. The concorde, the blackbird, and other planes that far exceed conventional air travel..
I know you guys want to keep the tip of the spear shiny and effective...but there is a huge difference between say flat earthing and the research and contemplation of the metaphysical and esoteric. Those "Trump will make anime real" memes are actually just comms to get ready to accept what is in anime and comics is not far fetched or speculative at all.
Several anons here including possibly yourself are experts in technical fields, but I do not think any of us are ready for all the ridiculous logic breaking technology and concepts we will be faced with one day. The front page has had several days where there is a lull, no reason something like this couldn't be discussed especially when the research has to be pooled together. Books not everyone has, posts on usenet or other forums that have been scrubbed, newspapers that are not in libraries, etc
We will be faced with these scientific breakthroughs, sooner rather than later, much sooner.
I will put my head on the block here and say that New Zealand will be flattened by a series of earthquakes and tsunamis.
Okay, started doing some rough calculations for energy needed and whether its feasible.
Total energy released by the earthquake according to your calculations: 4 x 10^11 joules
When HAARP was still public they had planned, in 2013:
Converting from Watts to Joules 3.6 million Watts running for 36 hours produces 4.6 x 10^11 Joules.
Summary: 2013 planned H.A.A.R.P project had capacity to generate the entire energy attributed to this earthquake in 36 hours.
Added: Looks like the 3.6 megawatt plan is now reality and even more, as per this recent announcement
Now account for atmospheric absorption, signal loss, dispersion, and explain how it gets transmitted and focused on the earthquake zone, tho.
Okay, so lets assume that these and all other cumulative losses account for N% of the total energy.
At N = 50% loss, we would need 72 hours worth of energy
At N = 90% loss, we would need 360 hours or 15 days worth of energy
Going to the very extreme (which would be highly unlikely in reality) lets say the losses are 99%, in which case we will require 3600 hours or 5 months worth of energy.
All these are still very much within the realm of feasibility just as far as energy budget is concerned.
I believe the well depicted point in the OP was that the energy involved is so huge that it would be well outside the feasibility even from an energy budget.
Do you agree that, that is not the case?
This is an operational question and separate from the feasibility of the energy budget, which is what I was focusing on in this comment.
I agree that the transmission, and focusing processes requires further digging and the best way to do that is to continue doing what this elite research board does.
We have some of the most believable scientists money can buy.
Check this out, about 10m in.
This guy has been analysing all the earthquakes and tracking them and just mentioned something in passing that they often see earthquakes near power generating stations etc. due to the low frequency waves put out.
Might be a clue as to how someone might artificially induce an earthquake..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9qi2evSEAQ
edit: at 10:51 he says that it isn't the emitted waves causing the quakes, but somehow attracting the natural low frequency waves from earthquakes to the area, I guess like a magnet?
Update: at 21:30m he talks about how he predicted an earthquake in Delaware a few hours before the video and it popped up on his feed. He then goes back to how he predicted it, and I'm blown away to be honest. When he gets to around the 24m mark he's talking about how this earthquake was basically man-made.wtf?
Update: at 41:08 he highlights a cluster of quakes and mentions that that's where HAARP is.
That's a wild ride. I'm gonna follow this guy. Very interesting, thx.
There are two major items to consider here... and consider them with 1) what we know to be true, then 2) apply okams razor...
earthquakes are due to movement of tectonic plates, we know this is true. Turkey has a long history of earthquakes..
haarp has been around a long time, it's full function is largely unknown, but it does involve the ionosphere. The ionosphere is not "consistent" on reflection, ham radio people know these layers well if they use shortwave comms. Usually waves get deflected somewhat sporadically.. meaning it can't be scheduled..
Now apply okams razor...
It's just not uncommon to have earthquakes in turkey...
Anyone know whether CERN was running at the time? Not to re-rail everyone's enthusiasm over Haarp but we honestly don't know much of anything about either, we can hardly debate anything other than what we're told they do - or don't do If I'm not mistaken, I thought this was the place where we can freely discuss ideas and theories. Many of these ideas we discussed a few years ago were wildly unsubstantiated. Today, we have proof we were correct. Forgive me, but I do not trust the science. There is much more we're not allowed to know than we actually know.
A small event can trigger a massive avalanche
For the people who do believe HAARP can/is be(ing) used to trigger large weather/seismic events- do you believe that there is no such thing as natural weather disasters or seismic events?
I ask this because after every "newsworthy" weather event, many people insist it's HAARP. Like there simply can't be a large hurricane without having HAARP doing it.
And if there are people who believe that, how long has the HAARP technology and ability been around? How does it correlate to historical accounts of natural disasters?
GirthBrooks here,
One of my pet peeves is anger at those who present possibilities, no matter the scope or scale. I truly believe you have to examine every mundane facet of life and question it.
Banking…. A place I put money and a place run by some of the most crooked people in the world.
Eating…. Do it everyday. Little did I know the fda allows literal poison to be fed to the American people.
Filling up a tank of gas….. where does it actually come from? Am I supposed to believe dead organisms created every drop of oil? Ole triceratops gave his life so I could take a trip to the grocery?
But…. I agree that there are also people who latch on to the idea that a something exists that can’t possibly be true.
One such example were the tards claiming COVID isn’t real. It wasn’t an argument about wether or not it’s a virus (I think there are good arguments to be made for both sides there). There are literally people here who think COVID, whatever it is, doesn’t exist. Literally people in this group who we know are as based as they come, say “shit happened to me when I caught COVID that’s never happened with any other illness.” Me…. I lost taste and smell. It was the weirdest shit. And then I get on here and some tard flat earther thinks they got it figured out that it’s all a Psyop brainwash to make me think I’ve got an illness. They are low iq low performers and unfortunately we still have to claim them lol.
For what it’s worth, I don’t believe that HAARP caused the earthquake.
Having said that, our science has been compromised too. All of our assumptions on energy are based on Einstein’s theory of relativity, which is clearly bullshit. The energy exists in our atmosphere, and I suspect it can be released with advanced technology.
No I don't "believe in science"
I believe the scientific method is accurate, IF it is unbiased and includes ALL variables, but since this is not possible science is inherently flawed, and it is immoral to "believe" the results.
For example, scientific testing might show that it's best to cull people once they reach 70 to preserve resources and save the environment. However, this is clearly unethical.
A real situation is male circumcision, which continues almost fully based on flawed "science" and doesn't account for the moral and cognitive development effects of chopping off part of a baby's penis, let alone the thoughts he will have as a man about this. LET ALONE the babies that are disfigured and die (or the men who later kill themselves as a result).
I'm sorry, but science is bullshit, especially as it currently stands.
No, male circumcision continues based on religion. In the old testament it was a physical symbol of allegiance to YHWH. As Christians consider Jesus the son of YHWH many have adopted that custom. There is a thin veneer of science coating it, to say that it is good for hygiene, or something, but strip that away and people are doing it out of religious tradition. Most modern medical studies are hostile to circumcision
This is true, but what you’re saying is more the origin. The practise in most western countries has continued primarily because of scientific encouragement since Kellogg and others.
That is one long winded post just to say science in no way supports this theory
nukemap https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/
good point c5, HAARP is a bit of a ga.w fringe topic, so we gotta tread carefully.
Actually, great point, us mods delete a lot of garbage, but, we mostly go on how proven it is, I mean, "pizzagate" is pretty "fringe" in terms of mainstream proof (that they allow) but, on our end, it's so solid, it's literally an incontrovertible fact
I would say some things in response to this:
HAARP is a convenient known energy projecting machine - so people are tempted to use that moniker when in all likelihood the real mechanism (if it is such) is a secret capability and totally separate from HAARP
I dont think it is HAARP either and would expect the energy to be delivered as low frequency not high
The energy budget to trigger an earthquake is not the same as the energy released from the earthquake. An analogy would be a jenga tower (or pile of rocks) which has in its arrangement a potential energy. To tip the tower or vibrate the pile of gravel would involve only a small amount of energy, but the clattering collapse would release much more than that.
Here is an idea for how you "secretly" get energy to focus on a point: a) you perturb three locations with some energy wave that is amplitude-wise within the bounds of normal background energy, but frequency-wise it is novel. b) at some other point the energy waves you created will intefere c) the resultant energy from the interferences from the original three perturbations will result in most areas as a cancelling-out but equidistant from the three will be a location where the energies sum together d) an analogy is dropping three stones in a lake, if you know the relative entry points, and the mass and shape of the stones to sufficient degree you would be able to predict the location of a relatively large "spike" of a wave, in this case it would look like a smoothed triangular pyramid standing-wave which would then invert iteself and look like a relatively deep "pocket" in the water. e) this crescendo wave would seem to "suddenly appear" but the cause would be the three stones you threw into the lake f) if the lake water was already choppy on the surface it is possible the rings of wave coming off the stones would be undetectable but the nature of waves is that the crescendo wave would STILL appear in the centre of the lake
So we can envision thousands of stones being precisely dropped into the lake, and mathmatically the location of the crescendo could be predicted.
Furthermore The Earth is a globe, so the crescendo effect could be sub-surface and undetectable but could be focussed on a geological fault (or perhaps they are so common you could range around underground until you found one by chance) under the target
This small amount of energy could then be sufficient to trigger the release of the potential energy stored in the formation of rock, using many many convergent waves, each alone undetectable and subsurface, to meet at a location, and hey presto - trigger an earthquake
So, while I take the point about HAARP, I can imagine the mechanism at play, so I am inclined to think it possible
Thoughts?
It’s all true. I remember Nick Begich telling Art Bell about HAARP 20 years ago
That's about as relevant as AM radio is today
1510 WLAC everyday, my fren
I have always read that HAARP is used to manipulate weather.
the Navy and NOAA have 'earthquake ships' that they label as surveying, but they create EQs - they did it Haiti and NZ and one of those ships is right off the coast of Turkey in Greece waters. Also, these ships fly under flags of different ownership - this Endeavor is outwardly owned by University of Rhode Island but in reality is used by Navy and possibly State Dept - this was under HRC as Secr of State remember) (https://www.uri.edu/news/2010/02/uri-research-vessel-endeavor-to-travel-to-haiti-for-scientific-investigation-humanitarian-mission/)
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Nukes are absolutely fake. But if they are real, there is no denying the “test” videos produced in the US by Hollywood and the test videos from the Soviet’s are laughably and obviously FAKE by todays special effects standards.
Which q drops mention HAARP/High-frequency Active Auroral Research Program?
a deep injection well could do the same trick (the equivalent of a fracking well a massive causing slip on juncture of tectonic plates)