I feel we may need to start directing accusations more specifically. For example...This headline could read... "Why does the Jewish elite and DS want Palestinian land?" or "why are the elites of the USA participating in the genocide of a civilian population using the guise of ending terrorism?"
Keep in mind that the citizens of these countries only lose, we never win. Only the elites and deepstate gain.
there is no "palestinian land". there has never in history been a palestinian state in the middle east. best guess, the Philistines were seaborne invaders from the island of Crete. Israel is not their home and never was
Exactly Fren! God used Rome in 70AD in a most dramatic way to scatter the so called "Jews" and kick them out of the land because of their consistent obstinance, their unbelief, they're killing of all the prophets sent to them, their constant turning to satanism...AND...finally their rejection of their Messiah to the point of having Jesus killed by the Roman government. The Zionists are still operating the same way today...most of the world stage is controlled by Zionist Rothschild which most on this forum know is responsible for virtually all the systemic evil on the planet.
Modern Israel wasn't the fulfillment of prophecy as so many of my Christian Evangelical brothers and sisters have been taught. Israel is simply a fiefdom of the Rothschild banking cartel and was funded and created by the Rothschilds money at the expense of some 500 thousand Palestinians living in and around Israel in 1947-48. A good read on this subject is The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine by Jewish historian Ilan Pappe.
By the time Rome sacked Israel in 70AD, the Hebrew nation had long served its purpose as God had used the Hebrews to usher in the old Mosaic Covenant (Judaism and the Law) which highlighted sin and disobedience and provided a lineage for the future Messiah which was prophesied over and over again by the Old Testament prophets.
Without trying to sound antisemitic (which is difficult because it's used like the word "racist" in our messed up culture)...God picked the Hebrews to usher in the Messiah because, as God put it in Isaiah 48:4..."Because I knew that thou art obstinate, and thy neck is an iron sinew, and thy brow brass..." God could have picked a meek and obedient nation, but historically God always seems to use the most difficult people to serve His purposes. For example God chose Moses to lead the Hebrews out of slavery in Egypt. Moses was a hard case (Hebrew by bloodline of course). He was a murderer and had difficulty with speech and temper. However, the best example of God using the most difficult and unlikely person to accomplish His purposes was using Saul of Tarsus to ultimately become Paul and write most of the New Testament letters!
In similar fashion, God used a most obstinate, rebellious, unlikely people to usher in the most incredible miracle of our Savior Jesus Christ!
Sorry this is so long...but I cannot end this rant without mentioning to my Evangelical 501c3 church going brothers and sisters that you need to stop reading your NWO poisoned bibles and stop listening to pastor and prophecy charlatans who are teaching you Darby/Dispensational garbage that only serves to put your focus on Israel and takes the focus off of Jesus Christ and the glorious New Covenant of Grace He ushered in when Israel was ended in 70AD by God Himself!
A lot of what you say resonates with me but I’m curious why God can use the obstinate Hebrews for His purpose and the murderer Saul of Tarsus for His purpose but not evil Rothschild for His purpose of creating a Hebrew nation in a day?
Secondly, anything taken to the extreme becomes flawed and dangerous. The same applies to dispensationalism. However dispensationalism cannot be negated. It is an evident truth and it’s my understanding it was around long before Darby. You proved it yourself by acknowledging the purpose of the Hebrews and the purpose of the apostle Paul. These are representative of separate dispensations. The former brought the law the latter spread the gospel of grace.
Thinking a Hebrew nation was created is the problem. They called it Israel, used the Star of David, and Christians fell for it. They should have called it Rothistan, but then Christians wouldn't have bent themselves into a religious pretzel defending Rothistan.
Christians often use the verse in the Bible about God blessing those that bless Israel. Well, tell me, have you seen God's blessing bestowed on the United States since 1948? Constant wars. Constant moral decay. Most of which has been caused by banks, and the entertainment industry. No doubt you know who runs those. So, either God is not blessing those who bless Israel, or this isn't the Israel we were told to believe it is.
If someone tried to sell me a Rolls Royce, and I realized it was fake, I wouldn't buy it. Christians never bothered asking anything about this Israel. They didn't look under the hood. They just jumped up and down, clapping like trained seals because Israel was a country again. They even excused away the fact that Israel had an intelligence agency working inside the US, because "Muh God's chosen people." It's not the same Israel. It's just not. It's a scam, and has been a scam for decades.
for His purpose of creating a Hebrew nation in a day?
For a general, providential purpose, sure. As in: the Lord causes nations to rise and fall throughout history, according to his preordained plans.
But for a special, biblically significant purpose? No. This would be based on the fallacy that God is a real estate agent. That physical land was NEVER an end unto itself. It was a temporal theocratic setting, set aside for holy use starting at the giving of the Law on Mt Sinai until the coming of Christ. It was in a sense heaven come down on earth in an imperfect picture form, but only in specific boundaries of time and space. The whole point of the nation of Israel was a demonstration that blessing and righteousness must go together, so that not just Jews but all of humanity could look and see what it means to dwell with a holy and just God. Heaven is not just given away for free, it must be earned by perfect and perpetual obedience. (Israel agreed at Sinai to Follow all the commandments given to them so that they would dwell peacefully in the land). But the problematic condition of sin prevented that situation from enduring. So as Israel turned away from their covenant God and followed their own desires and other gods, they were judged, conquered, exiled, scattered, etc.
When Jesus the true and faithful Israel personified came, he inaugurated the kingdom of heaven, and the NT prophets and apostles were clear that this kingdom from above supersedes and fulfills what the earthly kingdom of Israel was pointing to all along.
Think of the land of Israel as the small scale model of a city plan on display behind glass, so everyone can get a sense of what the real thing will be like. Jesus' kingdom ("My kingdom is not of this world") is the real thing described by that model, but his kingdom comes in two stages (first in humility, then at the end in glory). That little toy model no longer has value once the real thing was inaugurated. All that is left is the fullness of that kingdom of glory consummating the heavens and the earth. A strip of land along the eastern Mediterranean has no special place in this unfolding of redemptive history.
Honestly this sounds like a bunch of gobbly goop opinion. Salvation doesn’t come from works. If it was possible to earn your way to heaven Christ would not have had to sacrifice himself for us. Read Paul’s letters. They are very clear on this. Jesus’ sacrifice was necessary 1. Because only perfection can fulfill the perfect law. The law cannot save us, imperfect beings. The law is merely a mirror that shows us our sin when we look into it. Because God loves us and because He is just he had to fulfill the law as a man. Think of the idea of a family redeemer such as Boaz. God became a man, Jesus, to save mankind. It’s one of the reasons evil forces are trying to corrupt DNA. Beside being one of the last Godly people on earth Noah and his family still had pure DNA. Noah’s line had not been corrupted by the sons of heaven mixing with the daughters of Adam, the result was the Nephilim. So God chose to clean the slate and have Noah start over but I digress. It’s happening all over again with poisonous food full of chemicals and mRNA vax. Evil forces are again trying to corrupt God’s creation. I’m not saying if you got vaxxed you’re irredeemable but there will be a point at which which you will be irredeemable. Protect your DNA! The line in the sand will most likely be the mark. That will prolly be the final mail in the DNA coffin that separates you from God. I say all this to drive home the point that Jesus had to sacrifice himself for our salvation because we cannot do it. As Paul teaches we are saved by our faith through God’s grace. The message of works was “dispensed” to the Hebrews. They had to sacrifice animals, they had to keep the laws, they had to “work” for their salvation until Jesus showed up and saved everyone who passed before and all who believe now. I adddressed this first because it was the most wrong according to your obedience statement. All who truly believe will have no choice but to try to be obedient because of their love of Christ and the guidance of His Spirit. It is not you who gets credit for the “works”.
Now, God specifically told Abraham, what mountain to go up and what directions to look and used landmarks to describe what land he and the nation made from his offspring would inherit. Aside from you can go count how many times God Himself speaks of the LAND. It is not a metaphor. It is the Holy Land. It does belong to the Hebrews. God will establish His 1000 year Kingdom on Earth in the Holy Land before the final destruction of Satan and recreation of the new heavens and new earth.
These ideas your getting. You’re reading too much into it and applying your own notions. Stop. This is where dispensationalism will help you. You must only take from the scriptures what is said keeping into account when it was said, who it was said to, the grammar used, and the words used. Stop listening the kooky scholars and weird anons that add to what God’s word says.
If their are flaws from men in the Bible it is not with the original writing or the way men wrote it or the true meaning of it but rather some interpretation of it. Thankfully God is so wise that He spoke to us in a way where everything can be verified by comparison to other scriptures. This is called rightly dividing. Separating truth from truth because it is all true. It proves itself. It does not contradict itself. The application of your understanding is what contradicts. The contradiction is only in your own mind.
A nation was built in a day and it was fulfilled prophecy no matter who on earth it was that facilitated it. He tells us the end from the beginning so that we have comfort and assurance He is the one and only living God.
The word "dispensationalism" could be applied to what you are saying, but your argument is merely semantics and isn't how dispensationalist teaching is literally "woven into" the narrative of the Bible erroneously. Darbyists love to ignore all time stamps given in scripture to clarify when events prophesied would happen. Instead they ignore the time stamps and tell their flocks that it's in the future in order to take away from the finished work of Jesus on the Cross and the end of the Old Covenant. Two examples...In Matthew 24 Jesus give His disciples a list of events and circumstances that will occur in the future. Without exception each one of the bullet points Jesus gives is used by Dispensationalist Evangelicals to explain what will signs going on in our lifetime or in the future in Israel. The problem is pastors, professors at most Christian Colleges and Seminaries, Prophecy charlatans, etc. refuse to deal with verse 34 where Jesus plainly says, "Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled." Seriously, why would Jesus try to comfort an early Church that was going to be in the midst of severe persecution by telling them a bunch of data points that were going to happen thousands of years into the future?
If you read Josephus account of the sacking of Jerusalem in 70AD, you see that Jesus was 100% correct. Everything He said would happen prior to that generation's passing did indeed happen...exactly!
You're correct, God can indeed use the Rothschilds to create a new Hebrew nation...BUT, that's not what happened. A new Hebrew nation...bloodline...wasn't created. A very worldly, satanic, sick and highly corrupt nation was created and it's ambition is being fueled by the sick teachings of Zionism. God, using the Rothschilds to create a wicked state on the backs of slaughtered Palestinians is not at all something the God of Scripture would do!
I don't think the dangers of Dispensational teaching can be overstated. In fact, I think it's safe to say one of the main reasons we are losing our country and way of life is directly because of the teachings of Darby and the Scofield NWO bible. Most Evangelical 501c3 Tax Exempt NWO churches are teaching their flocks that Israel is the key to prophesy and that the Jews are still God's favored people. The Zionist feed off this belief and is the main reason they cling to their world domination ideology. To them all other people are just Goyim and Scofield Christians perpetuate this wicked racism.
Darby also taught that there would be world government but that Christians would be "Raptured" out before the really bad stuff of God's judgement of mankind began. With this frame of mind firmly established in the spirit of well meaning Christian men and women, is it any wonder most of them would choose to sit back and just wait to be raptured out of harms way? Why fight against something that apparently God has foreordained to occur? This is why there has been minimal push back from the Christians in America against the evil and wickedness that's overrun our nation! This sad state can be laid directly on the lap of the inept 501c3 Scofield Churches! If our Founding Fathers had been taught by Dispensationalist Pastors, we would all be under the rule of Britain and the greatest missionary nation in the history of the world never would have existed most likely.
Clearly world government is not in our future...it's like herding cats. Nationalism is stronger than ever and to think that God is going to allow this when He explicitly gave His Son the Keys to the Kingdom after His resurrection and destroyed the plans of the devil is just not Biblical and it goes completely against God's Sovereign character. Jesus will never relinquish His control and ownership ever again. Adam had it once and gave it to satan. Jesus received it back when he defeated satan once and forever on the Cross. Now it's just a matter of time (how long I don't know...could take another thousand, two thousand years or longer) for the beautiful, simple message of Christ's Gospel to win the world over in love. As Jesus told Peter, "And I say also unto thee, That thou are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." Doesn't sound like world government was in Jesus' idea for the future either?
First off, I want to make it clear I am not a "dispensationalist" like you are describing. Other than knowing his name I haven't clue who Darby is. I think you should open your mind up a bit and realize, as I stated before extremes are always dangerous but not all who agree that there a clear dispensations in the bible, some even called dispensations by the authors themselves (Paul), are "dispensationalists" associated with Darby or his teachings.
For instance, you are completely right about about Matthew 24 and how verse 34 is overlooked. What you don't realize is that all four gospels were dispensed to the Hebrews. Jesus even told them Himself that his gospel was for the Hebrews and not to spread it to the gentiles. I learned that from a dispensationalist. It in no way means the wisdom or the knowledge in Jesus' gospel is not for us to learn from as well it just wasn't directed to us gentiles. Assuming I'm speaking to one. The problem is not differentiating between prophecy and mystery. Jesus' gospel was born out of prophecy. His coming and suffering was long foretold. However, the mystery of Paul's gospel was mystery until Jesus revealed to Paul from heaven in the desert. The mystery of salvation by faith through grace. That bit of info was held close to God's chest until the time he determined was right to release it. If you read Paul's letters you will come across 8 mysteries in total. The rapture is one of them.
Matthew24 is not used to argue for a Pre-Trib rapture. It can't be because it is delivered to the Hebrews specifically. It is Jerusalem specific. Not to mention the fact that Paul speaks of the rapture as a mystery. Is Paul a liar? He would have to be to call it a mystery knowing that Jesus spoke of end times to the others. Paul is not speaking of the same events. This is just one instance of how you agree with dispensationalism. From the flow of our conversation you agree a lot more than you think. My sister was the same way until I held her hand through a few topics until the light came on. You have to ignore Darby and his supporters but recognize while they are wrong the tool they use is not evil or a detriment but quite the opposite.
So we agree on that. I want to encourage you to not throw the baby out with the bath water. Just like OJ gives a bad name to defense lawyers so does this Darby character to dispensationalism, an excellent tool used to rightly divide when wielded properly.
You lost me on your world gov opinions. Revelation is all prophecy. It will come to pass. It is nearly all Hebrew centric. Jacob's trouble, the great tribulation, and the 144,000. It is a time where the Hebrews along with all other non-believers up to that point. I say up to that point because Jacob's Trouble will be a public event for all the world to see. All will see the second advent of Christ. It has to be public because the only way Hebrews will wake up is through signs and wonders. It's funny because Jesus showed up with all the signs and wonders but because they were expecting a warrior to overthrow Rome they completely disregarded Him. He was all about faith, love and spirit. Hebrews were who were all about the law and the physical world could not comprehend.
This is another reason why the Pre-Trib rapture is a mystery as Paul says. It is a private event. Only Christians who believe will be raptured. Jesus will only appear in the clouds and gather the members of His body (The Church is the Body of Christ, another mystery). The world will not see this even other than a lot of the population disappearing or dying. Another mystery Paul speaks of is the transformation of our bodies. The dead will rise first and be renewed in their resurrections and the living believers will be transformed as well. Its not clear what condition our earthly bodies will be left in.
This is is all spoken of very clearly by Paul. No mixing words or their meanings. No spells in the spelling. 1600 KJV. Its all there. I wouldn't trust other translations for details. They will still guide you to Jesus as the way, the truth, and the life but other translations will get fuzzy in detailed studies.
BTW, thanks for the Josephus reference. I am looking forward to checking that out. I always knew Matt24 had nothing to do with PreTrib but I hadn't heard how it correlates to the sacking of Jerusalem.
I'll leave you with a couple videos from the Pastors that opened my eyes to the usefulness of Dispensationalism and rightly dividing God's word. They are not "Hyper Dispensationalists". They are not "Darbyists". They use the tool of dispensationalism only to rightly divide God's word. Separating truth from truth to better understand the literal meaning of God's word.
Others have commented on the Rothschild aka Khazarian/Ashkenazi connection in relation to Israel, but there is another aspect of this which is extremely relevant today. Much of modern Israel is in fact Edom, which is the descendants of Esau.
In very short though, Esau had a legitimate claim to the rights of the firstborn which was stolen by Jacob at the suggestion of his mother, and made possible because Isaac was blind.
According to Biblical law the only way to disinherit the firstborn is if they screw up (ie Reuben dishonored his father's bed). Esau had not done so as yet, so he had a valid legal claim still.
Fast forward to modern times and you have Esau/Edom taking the birthright/name of Israel/Jacob and taking the land back by deception, empowered by the blinded prophets of the church. They've been given their time in the sun, but ultimately as we see in the state of Israel, I believe they too will be found rebellious before God and will be disinherited on account of their actions.
The link above does a much better job than I have, but maybe that's enough to whet someone's interest.
You seem to have forgetten the part where Esau sold his birthright to Jacob for a mere bowl of soup. I am no fan of today's Zionists at all, and I despise CI Scofield's perverted margin interpretations, whose version of the Bible was underwritten by Rothschids, but a transaction between Hebrews of old is a transaction.
Jacob deceived Isaac when it came to receiving the blessing delivered by Isaac as a father, but that blessing was not a ceremonial declaration birthright. It was a blessing for a first born, to whom the birthright was traditionally already granted by virtue of his first born birth position (if by only a few minutes), but it was not a ceremonial awarding of a birthright on that occasion. Esau had the birthright by virtue of being first born. Disinheriting a birthright was not at issue.
Transactional disavowal of the rights attendant to the birthright was Esau's choice. Esau had already disposed of that right to Jacob simply because he was hungry. Stupid move, but he did it just the same. He did not value his birthright more than he valued a bowl of soup. Let that sink in.
What is important is the bloodline of Jesus Christ from Adam came through Jacob through David through Mary (collapsing generations in the narrative of course), not through Esau. Edomites were always described in the Scriptures as enemies/adversaries to Biblical Israel.
Moses was not meek and shy. Not sure how you come to that conclusion? He had a speech impediment, but also had a violent temper. This is the very reason he couldn't enter the promise land. He murdered an Egyptian, broke the first set of Commandments, and he struck the Rock two times. Each of these eruptions was because he had a violent temper.
They (the cabal aka Pharisees aka Cain aka Zionists Rome and on and on) have been doing these horrible things to humanity per ages. I don’t really know their identity because they have adopted and stole too many. Anyhow hopefully this time their days are over.
they didnt "invent" it so much as take their word for the ancient israelite enemy, the Philistines, and slap that name on the area. but there was never a Philistine state in the area, either. they invaded in waves starting in 13 or 1400 bc and constantly battled Egypt and Israel. never took any consequential amount of territory, to the point that archeologists cant even be sure where they came from. the "isle of Crete" theory is based on similar pottery, not any historical record. so while there were some Philistine cities and defeated Philistines probably did mingle w the inhabitants of the land, there was never a cohesive country callled "Philistia" or "Palestine" until the Romans started calling Israel that during their occupation
I see this argument more and more. Because the Palestineans never organized and made a modern state registered with the United Nations means there was never a Palestinean state. That argument is practically a strawman. Any map prior to 1949 shows that land as Palestine because the world recognized it as such because there was no state of Israel. Now along comes the U.N. and the State of Israel at the behest of the Rothschilds after WWII and all the sudden Palestine never existed?
I have no problem with Israels right to exist but I do have a problem with its existence predicated on the displacement of another people. The argument pretends the land was empty and unused and that is clearly untrue.
the word "Palestine" was put there by the Roman government while they ruled the region, based on their word for the Israelite enemy, Philistines. the Philistines were a seafaring invader and it's not clear where they came from originally, but 1. they were defeated by Israel and Egypt, and only ever had a few cities
2. the cities were few and far between, and never established a country called "philistia" or "palestine"
the arabs living in Gaza today have no claim to "the nation of palestine", because there never was one. and even tho they could potentially have petitioned for a state and gotten one, as the Jews did following the fall of the Ottoman empire, their commitment to war and terrorism has basically disqualified them from statehood. Nobody, jew or Arab, wants a Palestinian in their nation because they are completely hate-filled suicide bombers from birth. It isnt the "nation of Palestine" truly at issue, or any sympathetic neighboring country could just say, "come here and settle". but they dont. The palestinians hate the nation of Israel and want to see it wiped out. "from the river to the sea" means they will take out all the territory Israel has, in a sort of "manifest destiny". so even if Israel granted them more space, or if Egypt or Jordan or Syria took in the palestinians, they would use their newfound space and wealth to create more terrorist attacks and international incidents. nobody wants them. they have been raising their kids to attack Israel since the 1950s.
This is why I don't really take sides in this issue. Everything you say about the Palestineans is pretty much true about the Israelis. Israel is an apartheid terrorist state. They did 9/11 for peats sake. Maybe the Palestineans are a bunch of bloodthirsty psychopaths, but after the way they have been treated, how you would you act towards the people that threw you and your family out of your home and ancestral lands? I actually knew a Palestinean family who came to the US once they were forcibly removed from their home so a jewish family could live there. No one wants to talk about that though. God forbid!
except that israel bothered to get recognized by global treaty, and defended their claim via war in the 6 Days War. neither of those things have happened for the palestinian people. any overtures towards "wanting to be a state" are just lipstick over the ugly goal "wanting to be a state with the exact same boundaries as modern Israel, where Jews are wiped out".
there are like 50 muslim nations in the world and 1 jewish nation. so while I agree israel has misdeeds to answer for, their claim and the palestinian claim are not comparable. israel has a right to exist as a state
I am not arguing that. The west divided up the world on political lines after WWII. They created their globalist organization the United Nations and if these countries didn't register then they didn't exist. Prior to this countries existed by conquest and the rest of the world accepted it. This is how the Cherokee Nation became Georgia... I think it was the Cherokees. Does anyone argue that native american nations existed before white man came? They had their lands and fought over them and defended them. Their nations consisted of their people on loosely accepted borders. White man took that through conquest and not because we registered with the United Nations before the Indians did. The rest of the world accepted that America was a new nation.
well my point is Israel is both a registered nation AND took the land by conquest during the 6 days war. so by any laws you want, the land is theirs. and if you want to go by the whole "our forefathers were here" bit, so were Israel's. israel has as much right or more to exist and defend itself as any other nation.
the philistines were no longer a thing by the time of Christ. they lost a war with Egypt and were eventually assimilated into various Canaanite cultures.
Correct. This is a joint US and Israel project that has been around since the 60's after the Arab-Israeli war. In addition to the canal, there are massive gas reserves off shore. You guessed it - right near Gaza. Oh, and there is also a pipeline deal between Greece, Italy, and Israel in the works that will move that gas to the EU. Russia supports the Gazans - why? They don't want the pipeline or the canal. Nothing is ever because of the reasons they are trying to sell us. It always boils down to the money and power.
As a side note: Why is the US government beating the war drum against Iran? Could it be because they have their own central bank. Go figure. The globalists have been after Iran ever since the Iranians ousted the globalist puppet and told the cabal to take a hike. The US took out Libya and Iraq for much the same reason - defying the global central banks. Follow the money.
Seems to me They could take those any time they want. Oil is different they'll have to share it at a minimum with the Palestinians. If there is even any there v
Israel surrendered the Gaza strip in an exchange for peace. The Palestinians immediately "elected" Hamas to lead them. There was never any peace.
One is left wondering whether the Gaza civilians are prisoners of Hamas. "Speak up and you will disappear!!" Others are brainwashed into hating on Israel.
I believe it was installed, at least in part, by Israel. From The Intercept.
But did you also know that Hamas — which is an Arabic acronym for “Islamic Resistance Movement” — would probably not exist today were it not for the Jewish state? That the Israelis helped turn a bunch of fringe Palestinian Islamists in the late 1970s into one of the world’s most notorious militant groups? That Hamas is blowback?
This isn’t a conspiracy theory. Listen to former Israeli officials such as Brig. Gen. Yitzhak Segev, who was the Israeli military governor in Gaza in the early 1980s. Segev later told a New York Times reporter that he had helped finance the Palestinian Islamist movement as a “counterweight” to the secularists and leftists of the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Fatah party, led by Yasser Arafat (who himself referred to Hamas as “a creature of Israel.”)
There's a guy called Brian Berletic of the New Atlas who says that Hamas is an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood which is effectively funded by the US.
Destabalizing a region by having radicals that kill off or supplant more secular and moderate groups is a way to maintain the exploitation of resource rich and client states.
The Muslim Brotherhood goes all the way back. For current purposes, Obama was the head of the MB in the 1990's through the 9/11 terror attacks. The purpose is the umbrella founder and funder of all Islamic terrorist groups. Their statement to the DEA and other agencies when arrested after 9/11 was that their goal is to bring America down from within, they own the FBI so there was nothing thse agents arresting them could do, and that one of theirs was going to take the Oval.
Of note is in 1928 they conspired with Hitler to build the concentration camps to prevent Jews from RETURNING (their word) to the Holy Land. Paid for them.
If the Jews never belonged there according to the Arabs, why did they use the word RETURN.
"Speak up and you will disappear!!" Others are brainwashed into hating on Israel.
The latter of these two I can forgive to an extent, but I remember that Iran and China have extensive propaganda sprinkled throughout their compulsory education programs, and they still have suffered massive protests over the failures of their government.
The first of these two excuses I forgive less, because, again, Iran and China have suffered massive protests of the late, despite their infamous tendency to jail or kill the protestors.
It comes to the point where the civilian population as a whole becomes an accomplice to the evils of their government through complete inaction.
"Palestine is the name given to Judea when the Romans Crushed the Jewish rebellion in 70 something A.D. It is an Artificial construct. All the land was under Jordanian control when the First Jewish war for Independence broke out. the Arab told the Arabs living in the area to leave so they could kill ALL the Jews. They left, then when the war was over the Arabs would not let them go back. "The Palestinian Problem" was created. Over the years, the "land hungry" Jews have surrendered the Temple mount and destroyed various Settlements and turned over Gaza to Palestinian control in order to achieve peace. and what do they get for it? more demands for their death and more conspiracy theories about their ulterior motives, etc. As far as I'm concerned they should take the temple mount back and the Old city clean out Gaza and send them all packing to Jordan where they belong.
Didn't the Roman Legions also kill all the Jews in Isreal back then (as an example to the world of the result of rebellion)? They started by wiping out town after town, until they came to Jerusalem, and laid seige similar to the description of the apocalypse in Revelations. They then utterly destroyed Jerusalem, so no two stones stone on top of each other, and rebuilt the city some miles away as a tribute to the Roman Emperor and Saturn.
Only Christians survived the extermination, as they heeded Jesus's words in Matthew 24:15-22.
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[16] “Then those in Judea must flee to the hills.
[17] A person out on the deck of a roof must not go down into the house to pack.
[18] A person out in the field must not return even to get a coat.
[19] How terrible it will be for pregnant women and for nursing mothers in those days.
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Then you got the late 1800s early 1900s Zionist movement where they asked the Palestinian govt at the time to come back to live in Jerusalem (at the time the sentiment was majorly against Christians so why not have Jewish and Muslim team up?)
The Palestinians let them come in and they quickly went to work taking over political offices and places of power in a European style colonialization. Jewish people kept flooding in. Palestinians were pretty obviously pissed.
Then you get England and more specifically the Rothschild family to declare the State of Israel for Jewish people through the Balfour Declaration.
LORD ROTHSCHILD DISCUSSES HOW HIS FAMILY CREATED MODERN ISRAEL WITH THE BALFOUR DECLARATION. FULL INTERVIEW 2017'
If I were Palestinian, I would be fighting for the land of my forefathers. If I were Jewish, I would be fighting for the land of my (perceived) forefathers. How about we not be involved at all and let God take care of it. Each one wants to genocide the other, each one needs to conquer the other to survive. There is no good or evil side in this, there's just the will to survive. Israel doesn't need our help anyway, they've gotten enough of our wealth as it is with their victim pitches.
And the Palestinians in that part of the world? Arabs over-running the Roman/Byzantium empire. slaughtering every thing in sight, raping and looting and selling off the survivors and then "Peacefully settling down in the waste land they created. Who's land is it? who ever is willing to fight for it. Lions and hyenas fight almost every night over water holes. Life is messy isn't it? white men "took" America from a semi-nomadic neolithic Indian people. who had lived there for a thousand years. They admitted they had taken it from a race who had lived there for over 10 thousand years. who were they? the moon faced people. The Indians said they were 3 - 4 feet tall, fought with poison arrows, they were Nocturnal, with over sized eyes for seeing at night and they were pale skinned and their eye's were BLUE. they built STONE walls. a primitive statue was dug up in a field on the east coast years ago. The Indians of N. America never worked in stone and lived in mud and straw building.
Arabs over-running the Roman/Byzantium empire. slaughtering every thing in sight, raping and looting and selling off the survivors and then "Peacefully settling down in the waste land they created.
The Ottoman empire was a pretty tolerant empire in its day. Jewish and Christians made up a large part of the population and you didn't see any uprisings from them. This was also not a mudhut shithole empire.
white men "took" America from a semi-nomadic neolithic Indian people. who had lived there for a thousand years.
Yeah man and they didn't need another country to come in as backup or pay them boatloads of treasure every year. Their will to survive was extremely strong and resilient. That is life. If the Jewish people can't win after all the help and preparation they've had since the 50s and before, their will to survive is shit and nature should process accordingly. They should be more than prepared and shouldn't have our money or help. This is what they signed up for.
The Indians said they were 3 - 4 feet tall, fought with poison arrows, they were Nocturnal, with over sized eyes for seeing at night and they were pale skinned and their eye's were BLUE. they built STONE walls. a primitive statue was dug up in a field on the east coast years ago.
That sounds interesting and I'd like to hear more about the proto-Hyperboreans being conquered by Asiatic Mongoloids and less Jew Victim Megaphoning. Your name is WestCelt, not JewActivist, these people do not care about you. They are just as intent on conquering the world at your expense if given the chance.
Let the Palestinians and Israelis duke it out. USA or Europe doesn't need to be involved.
This is somewhat related to this thread, but.
I watched a video last week talking about the land God promised to Abraham. It’s much larger than what Israel is currently. The man in the video mentioned that in reality the land of milk and honey is about 4-5 times larger than what is Israel. I can’t find the video right now but it was interesting. Maybe this is a “this is our land by God” situation…which kinda has been the excuse of wars between these two in the past right? Bottom line is, if God wants this land to go to Israel, then it will become so.
Correction: Why does Israel WANT THE GAZA STRIP BACK.
For the same reason YEMEN was and is the most strategic port in this new world (Red Sea, India).
Access to the Mediterranean.
Hmmm, Richard Medhust has a few good points, surrounded by political hoo haa.
(1) Did the Gaza Strip belong to Egypt?
Following the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, Egypt administered the newly formed Gaza Strip. It was captured by Israel in the Six-Day War in 1967. Between 1994 and 1999, Israel transferred security and civilian responsibility for much of the Gaza Strip and the West Bank to the Palestinian Authority.
(2) How did Israel get the strip
On 5 June 1967, weeks after Egypt blockaded the Straits of Tiran and cut off Israeli shipping, Israel attacked Egypt, initiating the Six-Day War.** It quickly defeated the surrounding Arab states and occupied the Gaza Strip, along with the West Bank and other territory, ending Egypt's occupation**.
(3) What race are Philistines? (You do know they were the original invaders)
Scholarly consensus. Most scholars agree that the Philistines were of Greek origin, and that they came from Crete and the rest of the Aegean Islands or, more generally, from the area of modern-day Greece.
(4)Was Goliath a Palestinian?
Goliath was not a Palestine but a Philistine warrior from Greece who lived in the City of Gath, which coincidentally is now part of Gaza. There was no Palestine in the time of Goliath as Palestine was created/named by the Romans when they conquered the area. Rome did that to humiliate the Jews.
I mean they also probably just don't want Hamas as neighbors. I don't support them just leveling the place, there's 2 million people there, half of which are children, they're obviously not all terrorists, but I do understand the sentiment, this war is not a black and white issue.
This is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. $6 billion in US dollar equivalent annual revenue is a trivially small amount of income. The undertaking of the new canal for strategic and expediency (efficiency) reasons is far more credible than the money to be made from the ship traffic. This lack of understanding about the value of today's money is pretty overwhelming. The people in large world governments are not even impressed with a $6 billion dollar label, even in annual revenue. Our newest aircraft carrier cost more than double this amount. The thinking that this amount of income would be impressive is laughable. Power is the currency of the elites, not money. If they built this canal and then destroyed the Suez, this would make far more sense. Although cute, this woman is sadly mistaken in her conclusions.
It's because Israel wants to build a canal that would come out right in that region. They know that Egypt takes in billions from the Suez canal and they want one for themselves. It is and always will be about the money.
omg. they want the gaza strip because the people who live there are hate filled terrorists who want to wipe out all of israel. their slogan is "from the river to the sea". that literally means they want all Israel gone. there is a reason no arab nation wants to take these people in
The land belonged to God and if its inhabitants want to sacrifice their babies, then God can give it away and no one can stop it. Even if the nation taking it has plenty of sins, if they are blessed by God they will have it.
They also didn't want to shut off the real resource: foreign aid.
If there is peace there is no foreign aid, so they needed a boogeyman again.
Also Netanyahu was about to be removed from power. Boom, there's an atrocity and now he gets to stay in power.
Netanyahu's own son is staying in Florida. That tells you everything you want to know about how serious this war is. It's just a bullshit puppet show to scare people into giving up money, rights, etc.
I'll have to watch later, but scanning comments I don't see mention of the natural gas pipeline desired by Israel that would run through Palestian area?
Eye Brows ??? Chick Pow !!! - Groucho Marx granddaughter ???
Betcha million dollaas - the plan is to build a massive 33 / 33 / 33 % military / shipping / general public harbor right smack dab in the middle of "Lahina" - Maui for big profit / military control / and NO aloha snackbar shenanigans.
I believe I called this last week. Israel will expand it's territory causing an outcry from all nations giving Iran confidence to rise and strike Israel with only condemnation from the US and others. I am looking for Russia to get involved also.
I feel we may need to start directing accusations more specifically. For example...This headline could read... "Why does the Jewish elite and DS want Palestinian land?" or "why are the elites of the USA participating in the genocide of a civilian population using the guise of ending terrorism?" Keep in mind that the citizens of these countries only lose, we never win. Only the elites and deepstate gain.
there is no "palestinian land". there has never in history been a palestinian state in the middle east. best guess, the Philistines were seaborne invaders from the island of Crete. Israel is not their home and never was
Right. It belongs to Rome
Exactly Fren! God used Rome in 70AD in a most dramatic way to scatter the so called "Jews" and kick them out of the land because of their consistent obstinance, their unbelief, they're killing of all the prophets sent to them, their constant turning to satanism...AND...finally their rejection of their Messiah to the point of having Jesus killed by the Roman government. The Zionists are still operating the same way today...most of the world stage is controlled by Zionist Rothschild which most on this forum know is responsible for virtually all the systemic evil on the planet.
Modern Israel wasn't the fulfillment of prophecy as so many of my Christian Evangelical brothers and sisters have been taught. Israel is simply a fiefdom of the Rothschild banking cartel and was funded and created by the Rothschilds money at the expense of some 500 thousand Palestinians living in and around Israel in 1947-48. A good read on this subject is The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine by Jewish historian Ilan Pappe.
By the time Rome sacked Israel in 70AD, the Hebrew nation had long served its purpose as God had used the Hebrews to usher in the old Mosaic Covenant (Judaism and the Law) which highlighted sin and disobedience and provided a lineage for the future Messiah which was prophesied over and over again by the Old Testament prophets.
Without trying to sound antisemitic (which is difficult because it's used like the word "racist" in our messed up culture)...God picked the Hebrews to usher in the Messiah because, as God put it in Isaiah 48:4..."Because I knew that thou art obstinate, and thy neck is an iron sinew, and thy brow brass..." God could have picked a meek and obedient nation, but historically God always seems to use the most difficult people to serve His purposes. For example God chose Moses to lead the Hebrews out of slavery in Egypt. Moses was a hard case (Hebrew by bloodline of course). He was a murderer and had difficulty with speech and temper. However, the best example of God using the most difficult and unlikely person to accomplish His purposes was using Saul of Tarsus to ultimately become Paul and write most of the New Testament letters!
In similar fashion, God used a most obstinate, rebellious, unlikely people to usher in the most incredible miracle of our Savior Jesus Christ!
Sorry this is so long...but I cannot end this rant without mentioning to my Evangelical 501c3 church going brothers and sisters that you need to stop reading your NWO poisoned bibles and stop listening to pastor and prophecy charlatans who are teaching you Darby/Dispensational garbage that only serves to put your focus on Israel and takes the focus off of Jesus Christ and the glorious New Covenant of Grace He ushered in when Israel was ended in 70AD by God Himself!
A lot of what you say resonates with me but I’m curious why God can use the obstinate Hebrews for His purpose and the murderer Saul of Tarsus for His purpose but not evil Rothschild for His purpose of creating a Hebrew nation in a day?
Secondly, anything taken to the extreme becomes flawed and dangerous. The same applies to dispensationalism. However dispensationalism cannot be negated. It is an evident truth and it’s my understanding it was around long before Darby. You proved it yourself by acknowledging the purpose of the Hebrews and the purpose of the apostle Paul. These are representative of separate dispensations. The former brought the law the latter spread the gospel of grace.
Thinking a Hebrew nation was created is the problem. They called it Israel, used the Star of David, and Christians fell for it. They should have called it Rothistan, but then Christians wouldn't have bent themselves into a religious pretzel defending Rothistan.
Christians often use the verse in the Bible about God blessing those that bless Israel. Well, tell me, have you seen God's blessing bestowed on the United States since 1948? Constant wars. Constant moral decay. Most of which has been caused by banks, and the entertainment industry. No doubt you know who runs those. So, either God is not blessing those who bless Israel, or this isn't the Israel we were told to believe it is.
If someone tried to sell me a Rolls Royce, and I realized it was fake, I wouldn't buy it. Christians never bothered asking anything about this Israel. They didn't look under the hood. They just jumped up and down, clapping like trained seals because Israel was a country again. They even excused away the fact that Israel had an intelligence agency working inside the US, because "Muh God's chosen people." It's not the same Israel. It's just not. It's a scam, and has been a scam for decades.
Honestly that went right over my head. I feel stupid
It's OK you're not alone
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For a general, providential purpose, sure. As in: the Lord causes nations to rise and fall throughout history, according to his preordained plans.
But for a special, biblically significant purpose? No. This would be based on the fallacy that God is a real estate agent. That physical land was NEVER an end unto itself. It was a temporal theocratic setting, set aside for holy use starting at the giving of the Law on Mt Sinai until the coming of Christ. It was in a sense heaven come down on earth in an imperfect picture form, but only in specific boundaries of time and space. The whole point of the nation of Israel was a demonstration that blessing and righteousness must go together, so that not just Jews but all of humanity could look and see what it means to dwell with a holy and just God. Heaven is not just given away for free, it must be earned by perfect and perpetual obedience. (Israel agreed at Sinai to Follow all the commandments given to them so that they would dwell peacefully in the land). But the problematic condition of sin prevented that situation from enduring. So as Israel turned away from their covenant God and followed their own desires and other gods, they were judged, conquered, exiled, scattered, etc.
When Jesus the true and faithful Israel personified came, he inaugurated the kingdom of heaven, and the NT prophets and apostles were clear that this kingdom from above supersedes and fulfills what the earthly kingdom of Israel was pointing to all along.
Think of the land of Israel as the small scale model of a city plan on display behind glass, so everyone can get a sense of what the real thing will be like. Jesus' kingdom ("My kingdom is not of this world") is the real thing described by that model, but his kingdom comes in two stages (first in humility, then at the end in glory). That little toy model no longer has value once the real thing was inaugurated. All that is left is the fullness of that kingdom of glory consummating the heavens and the earth. A strip of land along the eastern Mediterranean has no special place in this unfolding of redemptive history.
Honestly this sounds like a bunch of gobbly goop opinion. Salvation doesn’t come from works. If it was possible to earn your way to heaven Christ would not have had to sacrifice himself for us. Read Paul’s letters. They are very clear on this. Jesus’ sacrifice was necessary 1. Because only perfection can fulfill the perfect law. The law cannot save us, imperfect beings. The law is merely a mirror that shows us our sin when we look into it. Because God loves us and because He is just he had to fulfill the law as a man. Think of the idea of a family redeemer such as Boaz. God became a man, Jesus, to save mankind. It’s one of the reasons evil forces are trying to corrupt DNA. Beside being one of the last Godly people on earth Noah and his family still had pure DNA. Noah’s line had not been corrupted by the sons of heaven mixing with the daughters of Adam, the result was the Nephilim. So God chose to clean the slate and have Noah start over but I digress. It’s happening all over again with poisonous food full of chemicals and mRNA vax. Evil forces are again trying to corrupt God’s creation. I’m not saying if you got vaxxed you’re irredeemable but there will be a point at which which you will be irredeemable. Protect your DNA! The line in the sand will most likely be the mark. That will prolly be the final mail in the DNA coffin that separates you from God. I say all this to drive home the point that Jesus had to sacrifice himself for our salvation because we cannot do it. As Paul teaches we are saved by our faith through God’s grace. The message of works was “dispensed” to the Hebrews. They had to sacrifice animals, they had to keep the laws, they had to “work” for their salvation until Jesus showed up and saved everyone who passed before and all who believe now. I adddressed this first because it was the most wrong according to your obedience statement. All who truly believe will have no choice but to try to be obedient because of their love of Christ and the guidance of His Spirit. It is not you who gets credit for the “works”.
Now, God specifically told Abraham, what mountain to go up and what directions to look and used landmarks to describe what land he and the nation made from his offspring would inherit. Aside from you can go count how many times God Himself speaks of the LAND. It is not a metaphor. It is the Holy Land. It does belong to the Hebrews. God will establish His 1000 year Kingdom on Earth in the Holy Land before the final destruction of Satan and recreation of the new heavens and new earth.
These ideas your getting. You’re reading too much into it and applying your own notions. Stop. This is where dispensationalism will help you. You must only take from the scriptures what is said keeping into account when it was said, who it was said to, the grammar used, and the words used. Stop listening the kooky scholars and weird anons that add to what God’s word says.
If their are flaws from men in the Bible it is not with the original writing or the way men wrote it or the true meaning of it but rather some interpretation of it. Thankfully God is so wise that He spoke to us in a way where everything can be verified by comparison to other scriptures. This is called rightly dividing. Separating truth from truth because it is all true. It proves itself. It does not contradict itself. The application of your understanding is what contradicts. The contradiction is only in your own mind.
A nation was built in a day and it was fulfilled prophecy no matter who on earth it was that facilitated it. He tells us the end from the beginning so that we have comfort and assurance He is the one and only living God.
The word "dispensationalism" could be applied to what you are saying, but your argument is merely semantics and isn't how dispensationalist teaching is literally "woven into" the narrative of the Bible erroneously. Darbyists love to ignore all time stamps given in scripture to clarify when events prophesied would happen. Instead they ignore the time stamps and tell their flocks that it's in the future in order to take away from the finished work of Jesus on the Cross and the end of the Old Covenant. Two examples...In Matthew 24 Jesus give His disciples a list of events and circumstances that will occur in the future. Without exception each one of the bullet points Jesus gives is used by Dispensationalist Evangelicals to explain what will signs going on in our lifetime or in the future in Israel. The problem is pastors, professors at most Christian Colleges and Seminaries, Prophecy charlatans, etc. refuse to deal with verse 34 where Jesus plainly says, "Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled." Seriously, why would Jesus try to comfort an early Church that was going to be in the midst of severe persecution by telling them a bunch of data points that were going to happen thousands of years into the future?
If you read Josephus account of the sacking of Jerusalem in 70AD, you see that Jesus was 100% correct. Everything He said would happen prior to that generation's passing did indeed happen...exactly!
You're correct, God can indeed use the Rothschilds to create a new Hebrew nation...BUT, that's not what happened. A new Hebrew nation...bloodline...wasn't created. A very worldly, satanic, sick and highly corrupt nation was created and it's ambition is being fueled by the sick teachings of Zionism. God, using the Rothschilds to create a wicked state on the backs of slaughtered Palestinians is not at all something the God of Scripture would do!
I don't think the dangers of Dispensational teaching can be overstated. In fact, I think it's safe to say one of the main reasons we are losing our country and way of life is directly because of the teachings of Darby and the Scofield NWO bible. Most Evangelical 501c3 Tax Exempt NWO churches are teaching their flocks that Israel is the key to prophesy and that the Jews are still God's favored people. The Zionist feed off this belief and is the main reason they cling to their world domination ideology. To them all other people are just Goyim and Scofield Christians perpetuate this wicked racism.
Darby also taught that there would be world government but that Christians would be "Raptured" out before the really bad stuff of God's judgement of mankind began. With this frame of mind firmly established in the spirit of well meaning Christian men and women, is it any wonder most of them would choose to sit back and just wait to be raptured out of harms way? Why fight against something that apparently God has foreordained to occur? This is why there has been minimal push back from the Christians in America against the evil and wickedness that's overrun our nation! This sad state can be laid directly on the lap of the inept 501c3 Scofield Churches! If our Founding Fathers had been taught by Dispensationalist Pastors, we would all be under the rule of Britain and the greatest missionary nation in the history of the world never would have existed most likely.
Clearly world government is not in our future...it's like herding cats. Nationalism is stronger than ever and to think that God is going to allow this when He explicitly gave His Son the Keys to the Kingdom after His resurrection and destroyed the plans of the devil is just not Biblical and it goes completely against God's Sovereign character. Jesus will never relinquish His control and ownership ever again. Adam had it once and gave it to satan. Jesus received it back when he defeated satan once and forever on the Cross. Now it's just a matter of time (how long I don't know...could take another thousand, two thousand years or longer) for the beautiful, simple message of Christ's Gospel to win the world over in love. As Jesus told Peter, "And I say also unto thee, That thou are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." Doesn't sound like world government was in Jesus' idea for the future either?
First off, I want to make it clear I am not a "dispensationalist" like you are describing. Other than knowing his name I haven't clue who Darby is. I think you should open your mind up a bit and realize, as I stated before extremes are always dangerous but not all who agree that there a clear dispensations in the bible, some even called dispensations by the authors themselves (Paul), are "dispensationalists" associated with Darby or his teachings.
For instance, you are completely right about about Matthew 24 and how verse 34 is overlooked. What you don't realize is that all four gospels were dispensed to the Hebrews. Jesus even told them Himself that his gospel was for the Hebrews and not to spread it to the gentiles. I learned that from a dispensationalist. It in no way means the wisdom or the knowledge in Jesus' gospel is not for us to learn from as well it just wasn't directed to us gentiles. Assuming I'm speaking to one. The problem is not differentiating between prophecy and mystery. Jesus' gospel was born out of prophecy. His coming and suffering was long foretold. However, the mystery of Paul's gospel was mystery until Jesus revealed to Paul from heaven in the desert. The mystery of salvation by faith through grace. That bit of info was held close to God's chest until the time he determined was right to release it. If you read Paul's letters you will come across 8 mysteries in total. The rapture is one of them.
Matthew24 is not used to argue for a Pre-Trib rapture. It can't be because it is delivered to the Hebrews specifically. It is Jerusalem specific. Not to mention the fact that Paul speaks of the rapture as a mystery. Is Paul a liar? He would have to be to call it a mystery knowing that Jesus spoke of end times to the others. Paul is not speaking of the same events. This is just one instance of how you agree with dispensationalism. From the flow of our conversation you agree a lot more than you think. My sister was the same way until I held her hand through a few topics until the light came on. You have to ignore Darby and his supporters but recognize while they are wrong the tool they use is not evil or a detriment but quite the opposite.
So we agree on that. I want to encourage you to not throw the baby out with the bath water. Just like OJ gives a bad name to defense lawyers so does this Darby character to dispensationalism, an excellent tool used to rightly divide when wielded properly.
You lost me on your world gov opinions. Revelation is all prophecy. It will come to pass. It is nearly all Hebrew centric. Jacob's trouble, the great tribulation, and the 144,000. It is a time where the Hebrews along with all other non-believers up to that point. I say up to that point because Jacob's Trouble will be a public event for all the world to see. All will see the second advent of Christ. It has to be public because the only way Hebrews will wake up is through signs and wonders. It's funny because Jesus showed up with all the signs and wonders but because they were expecting a warrior to overthrow Rome they completely disregarded Him. He was all about faith, love and spirit. Hebrews were who were all about the law and the physical world could not comprehend.
This is another reason why the Pre-Trib rapture is a mystery as Paul says. It is a private event. Only Christians who believe will be raptured. Jesus will only appear in the clouds and gather the members of His body (The Church is the Body of Christ, another mystery). The world will not see this even other than a lot of the population disappearing or dying. Another mystery Paul speaks of is the transformation of our bodies. The dead will rise first and be renewed in their resurrections and the living believers will be transformed as well. Its not clear what condition our earthly bodies will be left in.
This is is all spoken of very clearly by Paul. No mixing words or their meanings. No spells in the spelling. 1600 KJV. Its all there. I wouldn't trust other translations for details. They will still guide you to Jesus as the way, the truth, and the life but other translations will get fuzzy in detailed studies.
BTW, thanks for the Josephus reference. I am looking forward to checking that out. I always knew Matt24 had nothing to do with PreTrib but I hadn't heard how it correlates to the sacking of Jerusalem.
I'll leave you with a couple videos from the Pastors that opened my eyes to the usefulness of Dispensationalism and rightly dividing God's word. They are not "Hyper Dispensationalists". They are not "Darbyists". They use the tool of dispensationalism only to rightly divide God's word. Separating truth from truth to better understand the literal meaning of God's word.
What is a Dispensation? https://youtu.be/zqLhxo6F-Gs?si=tW4ytiEe8qD-OvPZ
The Basics of Rightly Dividing https://youtu.be/nboxWhqQd-8?si=7ExZJ3kSwaIMbmnk
Top #1 PreTribulation Video https://youtu.be/GbeuBHQD_HA?si=iJe2oe4WDQK5X5xW
Rightly Dividing Prophecy and Mystery https://youtu.be/mFedBSAHHpg?si=zLy7Gv8Z8pBQZXZA
God Bless brother!
Others have commented on the Rothschild aka Khazarian/Ashkenazi connection in relation to Israel, but there is another aspect of this which is extremely relevant today. Much of modern Israel is in fact Edom, which is the descendants of Esau.
Much deeper discussion of this here: https://godskingdom.org/studies/ffi-newsletter/2023/identifying-nations-in-prophecy-part-2/
In very short though, Esau had a legitimate claim to the rights of the firstborn which was stolen by Jacob at the suggestion of his mother, and made possible because Isaac was blind.
According to Biblical law the only way to disinherit the firstborn is if they screw up (ie Reuben dishonored his father's bed). Esau had not done so as yet, so he had a valid legal claim still.
Fast forward to modern times and you have Esau/Edom taking the birthright/name of Israel/Jacob and taking the land back by deception, empowered by the blinded prophets of the church. They've been given their time in the sun, but ultimately as we see in the state of Israel, I believe they too will be found rebellious before God and will be disinherited on account of their actions.
The link above does a much better job than I have, but maybe that's enough to whet someone's interest.
You seem to have forgetten the part where Esau sold his birthright to Jacob for a mere bowl of soup. I am no fan of today's Zionists at all, and I despise CI Scofield's perverted margin interpretations, whose version of the Bible was underwritten by Rothschids, but a transaction between Hebrews of old is a transaction.
Jacob deceived Isaac when it came to receiving the blessing delivered by Isaac as a father, but that blessing was not a ceremonial declaration birthright. It was a blessing for a first born, to whom the birthright was traditionally already granted by virtue of his first born birth position (if by only a few minutes), but it was not a ceremonial awarding of a birthright on that occasion. Esau had the birthright by virtue of being first born. Disinheriting a birthright was not at issue.
Transactional disavowal of the rights attendant to the birthright was Esau's choice. Esau had already disposed of that right to Jacob simply because he was hungry. Stupid move, but he did it just the same. He did not value his birthright more than he valued a bowl of soup. Let that sink in.
What is important is the bloodline of Jesus Christ from Adam came through Jacob through David through Mary (collapsing generations in the narrative of course), not through Esau. Edomites were always described in the Scriptures as enemies/adversaries to Biblical Israel.
Moses wasn't a tough guy at all, he was meek and shy. He could only speak if there was no eye contact, Aaron had to speak for him
Moses was not meek and shy. Not sure how you come to that conclusion? He had a speech impediment, but also had a violent temper. This is the very reason he couldn't enter the promise land. He murdered an Egyptian, broke the first set of Commandments, and he struck the Rock two times. Each of these eruptions was because he had a violent temper.
There is no such thing as "antisemitic", the J__s invented the word to perpetuate victimization.
They (the cabal aka Pharisees aka Cain aka Zionists Rome and on and on) have been doing these horrible things to humanity per ages. I don’t really know their identity because they have adopted and stole too many. Anyhow hopefully this time their days are over.
110 in about 24rs when the thousand nations (and rockets) of some persian empire decend upon them lol
Rome invented Palestine to humilate the Jews, something going on to this day.
they didnt "invent" it so much as take their word for the ancient israelite enemy, the Philistines, and slap that name on the area. but there was never a Philistine state in the area, either. they invaded in waves starting in 13 or 1400 bc and constantly battled Egypt and Israel. never took any consequential amount of territory, to the point that archeologists cant even be sure where they came from. the "isle of Crete" theory is based on similar pottery, not any historical record. so while there were some Philistine cities and defeated Philistines probably did mingle w the inhabitants of the land, there was never a cohesive country callled "Philistia" or "Palestine" until the Romans started calling Israel that during their occupation
Natural law would say that people, stateless or not, occupying the land have a legitimate claim to it.
I see this argument more and more. Because the Palestineans never organized and made a modern state registered with the United Nations means there was never a Palestinean state. That argument is practically a strawman. Any map prior to 1949 shows that land as Palestine because the world recognized it as such because there was no state of Israel. Now along comes the U.N. and the State of Israel at the behest of the Rothschilds after WWII and all the sudden Palestine never existed?
I have no problem with Israels right to exist but I do have a problem with its existence predicated on the displacement of another people. The argument pretends the land was empty and unused and that is clearly untrue.
the word "Palestine" was put there by the Roman government while they ruled the region, based on their word for the Israelite enemy, Philistines. the Philistines were a seafaring invader and it's not clear where they came from originally, but 1. they were defeated by Israel and Egypt, and only ever had a few cities 2. the cities were few and far between, and never established a country called "philistia" or "palestine"
the arabs living in Gaza today have no claim to "the nation of palestine", because there never was one. and even tho they could potentially have petitioned for a state and gotten one, as the Jews did following the fall of the Ottoman empire, their commitment to war and terrorism has basically disqualified them from statehood. Nobody, jew or Arab, wants a Palestinian in their nation because they are completely hate-filled suicide bombers from birth. It isnt the "nation of Palestine" truly at issue, or any sympathetic neighboring country could just say, "come here and settle". but they dont. The palestinians hate the nation of Israel and want to see it wiped out. "from the river to the sea" means they will take out all the territory Israel has, in a sort of "manifest destiny". so even if Israel granted them more space, or if Egypt or Jordan or Syria took in the palestinians, they would use their newfound space and wealth to create more terrorist attacks and international incidents. nobody wants them. they have been raising their kids to attack Israel since the 1950s.
This is why I don't really take sides in this issue. Everything you say about the Palestineans is pretty much true about the Israelis. Israel is an apartheid terrorist state. They did 9/11 for peats sake. Maybe the Palestineans are a bunch of bloodthirsty psychopaths, but after the way they have been treated, how you would you act towards the people that threw you and your family out of your home and ancestral lands? I actually knew a Palestinean family who came to the US once they were forcibly removed from their home so a jewish family could live there. No one wants to talk about that though. God forbid!
except that israel bothered to get recognized by global treaty, and defended their claim via war in the 6 Days War. neither of those things have happened for the palestinian people. any overtures towards "wanting to be a state" are just lipstick over the ugly goal "wanting to be a state with the exact same boundaries as modern Israel, where Jews are wiped out". there are like 50 muslim nations in the world and 1 jewish nation. so while I agree israel has misdeeds to answer for, their claim and the palestinian claim are not comparable. israel has a right to exist as a state
" israel has a right to exist as a state"
I am not arguing that. The west divided up the world on political lines after WWII. They created their globalist organization the United Nations and if these countries didn't register then they didn't exist. Prior to this countries existed by conquest and the rest of the world accepted it. This is how the Cherokee Nation became Georgia... I think it was the Cherokees. Does anyone argue that native american nations existed before white man came? They had their lands and fought over them and defended them. Their nations consisted of their people on loosely accepted borders. White man took that through conquest and not because we registered with the United Nations before the Indians did. The rest of the world accepted that America was a new nation.
well my point is Israel is both a registered nation AND took the land by conquest during the 6 days war. so by any laws you want, the land is theirs. and if you want to go by the whole "our forefathers were here" bit, so were Israel's. israel has as much right or more to exist and defend itself as any other nation.
It could be that the Philistines are the descendents of the Jews during the time of Jesus
the philistines were no longer a thing by the time of Christ. they lost a war with Egypt and were eventually assimilated into various Canaanite cultures.
Agreed, we have to make the distinction between the deep state and deep state slaves. Deepstate israel
Well said
Correct. This is a joint US and Israel project that has been around since the 60's after the Arab-Israeli war. In addition to the canal, there are massive gas reserves off shore. You guessed it - right near Gaza. Oh, and there is also a pipeline deal between Greece, Italy, and Israel in the works that will move that gas to the EU. Russia supports the Gazans - why? They don't want the pipeline or the canal. Nothing is ever because of the reasons they are trying to sell us. It always boils down to the money and power.
As a side note: Why is the US government beating the war drum against Iran? Could it be because they have their own central bank. Go figure. The globalists have been after Iran ever since the Iranians ousted the globalist puppet and told the cabal to take a hike. The US took out Libya and Iraq for much the same reason - defying the global central banks. Follow the money.
There's also gas.
Interesting theory, got any sauce on that?
Seems to me They could take those any time they want. Oil is different they'll have to share it at a minimum with the Palestinians. If there is even any there v
Israel surrendered the Gaza strip in an exchange for peace. The Palestinians immediately "elected" Hamas to lead them. There was never any peace.
One is left wondering whether the Gaza civilians are prisoners of Hamas. "Speak up and you will disappear!!" Others are brainwashed into hating on Israel.
And there's the question of was Hamas installed? What happened to the PLO? Who funded Hamas? Who is the Muslim brotherhood?
I believe it was installed, at least in part, by Israel. From The Intercept.
Installing an enemy to fight another enemy..... Didn't the USA toss out the Shah in Iran and install the mullahs?
Wasn't Hamad initially funded by the Mossad?
There's a guy called Brian Berletic of the New Atlas who says that Hamas is an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood which is effectively funded by the US.
Destabalizing a region by having radicals that kill off or supplant more secular and moderate groups is a way to maintain the exploitation of resource rich and client states.
The Muslim Brotherhood goes all the way back. For current purposes, Obama was the head of the MB in the 1990's through the 9/11 terror attacks. The purpose is the umbrella founder and funder of all Islamic terrorist groups. Their statement to the DEA and other agencies when arrested after 9/11 was that their goal is to bring America down from within, they own the FBI so there was nothing thse agents arresting them could do, and that one of theirs was going to take the Oval.
Of note is in 1928 they conspired with Hitler to build the concentration camps to prevent Jews from RETURNING (their word) to the Holy Land. Paid for them.
If the Jews never belonged there according to the Arabs, why did they use the word RETURN.
The latter of these two I can forgive to an extent, but I remember that Iran and China have extensive propaganda sprinkled throughout their compulsory education programs, and they still have suffered massive protests over the failures of their government.
The first of these two excuses I forgive less, because, again, Iran and China have suffered massive protests of the late, despite their infamous tendency to jail or kill the protestors.
It comes to the point where the civilian population as a whole becomes an accomplice to the evils of their government through complete inaction.
Lahaina was a practice run.
Chilling. Very chilling.
Gaza is laid out in a strip ... a very east target for DEW strafing ...
Could have something to do with rockets being launched from there.
"Palestine is the name given to Judea when the Romans Crushed the Jewish rebellion in 70 something A.D. It is an Artificial construct. All the land was under Jordanian control when the First Jewish war for Independence broke out. the Arab told the Arabs living in the area to leave so they could kill ALL the Jews. They left, then when the war was over the Arabs would not let them go back. "The Palestinian Problem" was created. Over the years, the "land hungry" Jews have surrendered the Temple mount and destroyed various Settlements and turned over Gaza to Palestinian control in order to achieve peace. and what do they get for it? more demands for their death and more conspiracy theories about their ulterior motives, etc. As far as I'm concerned they should take the temple mount back and the Old city clean out Gaza and send them all packing to Jordan where they belong.
Didn't the Roman Legions also kill all the Jews in Isreal back then (as an example to the world of the result of rebellion)? They started by wiping out town after town, until they came to Jerusalem, and laid seige similar to the description of the apocalypse in Revelations. They then utterly destroyed Jerusalem, so no two stones stone on top of each other, and rebuilt the city some miles away as a tribute to the Roman Emperor and Saturn.
Only Christians survived the extermination, as they heeded Jesus's words in Matthew 24:15-22. .... [16] “Then those in Judea must flee to the hills. [17] A person out on the deck of a roof must not go down into the house to pack. [18] A person out in the field must not return even to get a coat. [19] How terrible it will be for pregnant women and for nursing mothers in those days. ....
Then you got the late 1800s early 1900s Zionist movement where they asked the Palestinian govt at the time to come back to live in Jerusalem (at the time the sentiment was majorly against Christians so why not have Jewish and Muslim team up?)
The Palestinians let them come in and they quickly went to work taking over political offices and places of power in a European style colonialization. Jewish people kept flooding in. Palestinians were pretty obviously pissed.
Then you get England and more specifically the Rothschild family to declare the State of Israel for Jewish people through the Balfour Declaration.
LORD ROTHSCHILD DISCUSSES HOW HIS FAMILY CREATED MODERN ISRAEL WITH THE BALFOUR DECLARATION. FULL INTERVIEW 2017'
https://www.bitchute.com/video/UPKOeS08MXuB/
If I were Palestinian, I would be fighting for the land of my forefathers. If I were Jewish, I would be fighting for the land of my (perceived) forefathers. How about we not be involved at all and let God take care of it. Each one wants to genocide the other, each one needs to conquer the other to survive. There is no good or evil side in this, there's just the will to survive. Israel doesn't need our help anyway, they've gotten enough of our wealth as it is with their victim pitches.
And the Palestinians in that part of the world? Arabs over-running the Roman/Byzantium empire. slaughtering every thing in sight, raping and looting and selling off the survivors and then "Peacefully settling down in the waste land they created. Who's land is it? who ever is willing to fight for it. Lions and hyenas fight almost every night over water holes. Life is messy isn't it? white men "took" America from a semi-nomadic neolithic Indian people. who had lived there for a thousand years. They admitted they had taken it from a race who had lived there for over 10 thousand years. who were they? the moon faced people. The Indians said they were 3 - 4 feet tall, fought with poison arrows, they were Nocturnal, with over sized eyes for seeing at night and they were pale skinned and their eye's were BLUE. they built STONE walls. a primitive statue was dug up in a field on the east coast years ago. The Indians of N. America never worked in stone and lived in mud and straw building.
The Ottoman empire was a pretty tolerant empire in its day. Jewish and Christians made up a large part of the population and you didn't see any uprisings from them. This was also not a mudhut shithole empire.
Yeah man and they didn't need another country to come in as backup or pay them boatloads of treasure every year. Their will to survive was extremely strong and resilient. That is life. If the Jewish people can't win after all the help and preparation they've had since the 50s and before, their will to survive is shit and nature should process accordingly. They should be more than prepared and shouldn't have our money or help. This is what they signed up for.
That sounds interesting and I'd like to hear more about the proto-Hyperboreans being conquered by Asiatic Mongoloids and less Jew Victim Megaphoning. Your name is WestCelt, not JewActivist, these people do not care about you. They are just as intent on conquering the world at your expense if given the chance.
Let the Palestinians and Israelis duke it out. USA or Europe doesn't need to be involved.
The Unexplained Season 4 Episode 10. Missing links.
Thanks!
Cain and Abel to be sure. One has to go.
agreed. people need to learn some history around here.
Thanks for this post. Suez anal versus the Ben Gurion canal, interesting. Thanks also for introducing me to those impressive eyebrows.
anal canals 🤣😂
'Tis the arsehole of the world, to be sure!
This is absolutely nothing new ...
"...the ancient Silk Road trading routes from the Far East passed through Israel en route to Europe."
Want passage? Pay your tax.
Same as it ever was ...
Same as it ever was...
Same as it ever was...
Letting the days go by
There is water
At the bottom
Of the ocean
Why was it called the Silk Road?
This info adds more fuel to the deep state in Israel and mossad being the aggressor on both sides of this "war".
This is somewhat related to this thread, but. I watched a video last week talking about the land God promised to Abraham. It’s much larger than what Israel is currently. The man in the video mentioned that in reality the land of milk and honey is about 4-5 times larger than what is Israel. I can’t find the video right now but it was interesting. Maybe this is a “this is our land by God” situation…which kinda has been the excuse of wars between these two in the past right? Bottom line is, if God wants this land to go to Israel, then it will become so.
15 minutes cities and an alternative to the Suez. Remember the Evergrande...
https://www.turkiyenewspaper.com/politics/16892
Correction: Why does Israel WANT THE GAZA STRIP BACK.
For the same reason YEMEN was and is the most strategic port in this new world (Red Sea, India).
Access to the Mediterranean.
Hmmm, Richard Medhust has a few good points, surrounded by political hoo haa.
(1) Did the Gaza Strip belong to Egypt? Following the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, Egypt administered the newly formed Gaza Strip. It was captured by Israel in the Six-Day War in 1967. Between 1994 and 1999, Israel transferred security and civilian responsibility for much of the Gaza Strip and the West Bank to the Palestinian Authority.
(2) How did Israel get the strip On 5 June 1967, weeks after Egypt blockaded the Straits of Tiran and cut off Israeli shipping, Israel attacked Egypt, initiating the Six-Day War.** It quickly defeated the surrounding Arab states and occupied the Gaza Strip, along with the West Bank and other territory, ending Egypt's occupation**.
(3) What race are Philistines? (You do know they were the original invaders) Scholarly consensus. Most scholars agree that the Philistines were of Greek origin, and that they came from Crete and the rest of the Aegean Islands or, more generally, from the area of modern-day Greece.
(4)Was Goliath a Palestinian? Goliath was not a Palestine but a Philistine warrior from Greece who lived in the City of Gath, which coincidentally is now part of Gaza. There was no Palestine in the time of Goliath as Palestine was created/named by the Romans when they conquered the area. Rome did that to humiliate the Jews.
I mean they also probably just don't want Hamas as neighbors. I don't support them just leveling the place, there's 2 million people there, half of which are children, they're obviously not all terrorists, but I do understand the sentiment, this war is not a black and white issue.
This is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. $6 billion in US dollar equivalent annual revenue is a trivially small amount of income. The undertaking of the new canal for strategic and expediency (efficiency) reasons is far more credible than the money to be made from the ship traffic. This lack of understanding about the value of today's money is pretty overwhelming. The people in large world governments are not even impressed with a $6 billion dollar label, even in annual revenue. Our newest aircraft carrier cost more than double this amount. The thinking that this amount of income would be impressive is laughable. Power is the currency of the elites, not money. If they built this canal and then destroyed the Suez, this would make far more sense. Although cute, this woman is sadly mistaken in her conclusions.
It's because Israel wants to build a canal that would come out right in that region. They know that Egypt takes in billions from the Suez canal and they want one for themselves. It is and always will be about the money.
A bit of history I had completely forgotten. This is logical.
omg. they want the gaza strip because the people who live there are hate filled terrorists who want to wipe out all of israel. their slogan is "from the river to the sea". that literally means they want all Israel gone. there is a reason no arab nation wants to take these people in
They've been working on this "project" for decades.
PicRel (considering Egypt)
The land belonged to God and if its inhabitants want to sacrifice their babies, then God can give it away and no one can stop it. Even if the nation taking it has plenty of sins, if they are blessed by God they will have it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Gurion_Canal_Project
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxI99XdvSwM Watch the FULL UPDATE here: https://jasonshurka.com/truth
Now that the balfour agreement is done who gets the land formerly known as Palestine?
They also didn't want to shut off the real resource: foreign aid.
If there is peace there is no foreign aid, so they needed a boogeyman again.
Also Netanyahu was about to be removed from power. Boom, there's an atrocity and now he gets to stay in power.
Netanyahu's own son is staying in Florida. That tells you everything you want to know about how serious this war is. It's just a bullshit puppet show to scare people into giving up money, rights, etc.
I'll have to watch later, but scanning comments I don't see mention of the natural gas pipeline desired by Israel that would run through Palestian area?
Somehow I e been seeing references to oil, vertical drilling g or something.
Eye Brows ??? Chick Pow !!! - Groucho Marx granddaughter ??? Betcha million dollaas - the plan is to build a massive 33 / 33 / 33 % military / shipping / general public harbor right smack dab in the middle of "Lahina" - Maui for big profit / military control / and NO aloha snackbar shenanigans.
I believe I called this last week. Israel will expand it's territory causing an outcry from all nations giving Iran confidence to rise and strike Israel with only condemnation from the US and others. I am looking for Russia to get involved also.
Its a blood sacrifice to moloch, the god of the talmud.
I think I will start referring to Israel as Is-cabal. The cabal are the ones who want the land for their trafficking of all things/people.
The Natural Gas deposits in the ocean are one reason...
Ok, makes more sense, maybe they need the land for pipelines like someone else said too.
This is the best find of WTF is going on in Israel-Gaza, and why! The Anon that’s posted this, BOOOOOOOM!!!! And MIC Drop Props!!