If meat was actually bad for you, they wouldn't be trying to ban it, they'd be putting it in the water and grinding it up and adding to children's cereal. If you're ever in doubt, always do the opposite of what the government recommends.

Let’s celebrate with a nice big fat steak!😋🥳

Red meat is a superfood that is loaded with everything a human needs to survive, same with eggs and real milk.

I've been eating a lot of meat, eggs, and saturated fats and my physical and mental health has been steadily improving and I'm down to 186 pounds at 5'11" tall. I look and feel better at 35 than I did at 25.

Most of the studies were observational not controlled. They would “survey” people and ask them how much red meat they had eaten. Even things like pizza were considered meat because toppings included meat.

Most of the surveyed meat eaters were eating all kinds of crap including sweetbread, sugary crap and all kinds of processed, chemically laden “foods” that were the probable cause of health issues.

Those choosing to eliminate or eat little meat were doing so for health reasons and eliminating all the crap as well.

They never controlled for the crap.

A Whole Foods diet including meat vs a Whole Foods veggie diet that eliminates the crap study needs to be done.

I have gone 5 year without red meat and my health has improved dramatically. Anecdotal, but I did my own research and it was a game changer.

I wonder if this is going to end up like eggs where research flip flops every few years?

If research was consistent a decade out, I would not return to beef but would probably eat bison and venison regularly. Wild game meat is on another level nutritionally

Just chomped down some Ribeye and see this. Lovely :D

I think humans are designed to be antifragile when it comes to diet. You can eat almost anything (within reason) and your body will try to extract some nourishment from it.

I've kind of lost track but it's about 45 years for me no meat/fish/turkey/etc. Back in the 1970s I received serious warnings from doctors and concerned friends but long term it has not changed my general health I feel fine.

I can't stress this enough - I believe you should make your own diet choices. Your body will tell you what it needs. Don't let it be dictated to you by religion, politics, social pressure, or plain desire to give Klaus the middle finger. Oh and stay away from obvious junk fake processed food.

We will never have the complete answer to how to eat healthy because there are too many variables to do actual hard, reproducible science. We can take a heuristic approach using wisdom and discernment to maximize your odds of eating right.

People throw out correlation with that glib phrase, and they should, but it works in reverse too. If something is constant and then a new problem arises, it cannot be that thing no matter what a study says. (The old study was just a correlation)

We have eaten meat since forever. Heart disease became a thing after meat eating was thousands of years old. Therefore yes there is a correlation but what about before the problem arose? it disqualifies the correlation absolutely.

My standpoint is ALL disease is poisoning of some form, or nutritional deficiency (often the same thing, you lack a nutrient needed to process a poison)

Thanks OP

Now consider this:

EVERYTHING you've been told about what's healthy to eat has been lies

There is no correlation between dietary cholesterol and serum cholesterol

There is no direct evidence of 'elevated' cholesterol levels causing heart disease

Nobody needs statin drugs, which have horrific side effects

If you take "cholesterol lowering drugs" the body just makes more cholesterol to compensate - they just want your money

Cholesterol is the body's ingenious mechanism for plugging holes in vascular endothelial linings caused by stab wounds from the spiky projections on sugar molecules and insulin molecules

Spinal surgery is needed by maybe one tenth of those who get it - the rest could heal on their own with safe, conservative acupuncture and/or chiropractic care - no wonder MD's despise them with the white-hot intensity of Trump's mugshot glare

Saturated animal fat is good for you and should comprise 70 percent of your calories, protein the other 30 percent

The amount of carbohydrates needed in the diet is zero

Bacon, eggs, cream, meat - while they scream about it being dangerous, it's super healthy for humans

Veggies contain way more naturally-occurring nitrites than processed meats like bacon; one serving of arugula contains more nitrates than 467 hot dogs

These chemicals can be prevented from forming cancer-causing glucosamines by the simple supplementation of Vitamin C to the diet - but where'$ the money in that?

The food pyramid is a $ham and a $cam to keep people $ick, and keep doctor$ and Big Pharma rich

Diabetes, the 7th leading killer in the nation, is reversible with diet alone - just stop eating carbohydrate molecules, save yourself the neuropathy and heart disease, stop shelling out big money to Big Pharma and their whore$ called MD's and DO's

Coffee - highly healthy, full of antioxidants, good hydrator

Tobacco you can live without, that one they somehow magically managed to get right - makes no sense either, because if they would downplay or dismiss the dangers, more people would get sick, and they would make more ca$h :)

Cannabis, including THC and CBD, is good for people, almost completely safe - it poses SEVERE competition to Big Pharma and their whore$ if people can grow a few plants in the backyard and keep themselves healthy instead of poisoning their systems with pharmaceutical chemical$

Nobody needed a "COVID shot"

Nearly everything we've been sold is a crock of crap - the natural food and herbal supplement people were right all along, but again - where'$ the money in that for the pharmedical indu$trial complex

Meat protein makes you strong and helps your brain function like it is suppose to. Where da BEEF?

Over the last 3-4 years, I've changed my cooking and eating habits to include more red meats, use lard or coconut oil for cooking, not seed oils. I only use butter, no margarine. Last summer's blood work showed a decrease in my cholesterol and triglyceride levels for the first time. For decades, I tried to follow the advertised advice (except that I refused to take statin drugs). Go figure.

Actually the only finding for extensive diet of red meat is dementia. Eventually if you lived into your senior years.

But the zinc and iron from such a diet increases ones health prospects.

You mean to say something humans have been eating for hundreds of thousands of years does not cause heart disease? I'm shocked, shocked I tell you!

All Chinese researchers. Not saying it's a bad thing but beware.

This article literally changed my life, because I took it to heart & started reducing carbs, increasing my intake of meat, dairy, veggies, etc. I have never felt better. The difference is drastic in so many ways when you reduce your carb intake and eat more meat & dairy.

Additionally, John Ross' book Unintended Consequences......I literally can't tell you how crucial it is that every freedom minded person read it.

Its long out of print and the author is deceased (so sad) there are PDFs all over the internet.

The Medical Community, Atkins, and Denial, Or It's All About Money

ROSS IN RANGE

By John Ross

Copyright 2004 by John Ross. Electronic reproduction of this article freely permitted provided it is reproduced in its entirety with attribution given.

       I had a checkup last week and my doctor read me the riot act about my weight.  He basically told me to have smaller portions, eat less fat, and to come back in three months with blood work done.


       Of all the people I’ve known personally who have been overweight, lost their excess pounds, and kept them off, perhaps 90% of them have done it with the  Atkins (carbohydrate-restricted) diet. Yet this diet has been denounced by almost all medical professionals and other people who should know better.  Logic and deductive reasoning seem to depart when medical professionals advise us on what to eat. 


       I went to get my cholesterol, triglycerides, and liver function tested to get baseline numbers.  The technician gave me the results: much too high, as expected, but Ted Kennedy would sell his soul (if he had one) for my liver.  Then he handed me some literature on how to reduce my cholesterol and have a healthier heart.  The list of eat/don’t eat foods was almost exactly the opposite of those on the  Atkins diet.  Bacon, hamburger, steak, sausage, macadamia nuts, cheese, butter, cream, and eggs were all on the “don’t eat” list, while skim milk, juices, breads, cereal, rice, and pasta were on the “eat often” list.


       I have no medical training, but I read a lot.  Here are some facts: Pathology as a discipline came into its own starting in the late 19th century, yet coronary artery disease was so rare it was never even mentioned during this period, despite the fact that a coronary occlusion is visible to the naked eye.  The first published study of heart disease (comprising four cases!) was done in 1912, roughly two decades after Americans started consuming large quantities of refined sugar (in the form of sugared cola soft drinks that became popular starting in 1892) and large quantities of the refined flour that had been developed at about the same time.


       Heart disease is, I believe, currently our nation’s biggest killer.  Yet it basically didn’t exist as recently as a hundred years ago.  You might say it’s because we’re more sedentary now.  Yes, we may be more sedentary as a group, but you can’t tell me that no rich people in 1900 were sedentary.  And well-off people (of which there were several million in late 19th century America) have always eaten, by choice, tremendous quantities of animal food: Beef, pork, poultry, eggs, butter, and lard.  Eating lots of fat didn’t make you fat or give you heart disease a hundred years ago, so why is the establishment so dead set on saying it does now?  In my opinion, the likeliest explanation for that is money.


       Remember the tedious Little House series of books you read in grade school by Laura Ingalls Wilder, that were later made into an equally tedious TV series with Michael Landon?  One thing that always struck me as a kid was how much time and effort people in those days spent doing things like tapping trees to get the sap to make a little bit of maple syrup.  Contrast that with our current situation: A person with no special skills can knock on doors in my neighborhood and make $8 an hour doing basic yardwork. In 90 minutes, he will have enough money to go down to the local Sam’s Club or Costco and buy fifty pounds of refined white sugar.  Refined flour is even less. With modern production methods, that’s how cheap the stuff has become. 


       Soft drinks, breads, pastas, crackers, cookies, and other junk food cost next to nothing to make—the expense is in advertising and distribution.  Generic soft drinks like the “Sam’s Choice” brand sold at Wal-Mart sell for a fraction of what you pay for name brands, even though the actual raw ingredients in both types (corn syrup, water, flavorings and color) are the same.  This tells you the actual ingredient cost is tiny.  That fifty pound bag of sugar I mentioned before would be enough for six hundred twelve-ounce cans of Coke (that’s two cents a can)—if they used sugar.  They don’t—they use corn syrup, which is even cheaper.



       Contrast this with meat.  It sells by the pound—period. You may get a slight discount if you buy a lot, but there’s no way to take a few cents worth of meat and turn it into something the supermarket can put on the shelf for a dollar or two, like they can with flour and sugar.  Go into a supermarket and walk around, reading labels.  You will see entire aisles where you can eat nothing if you want to restrict carbs. 


       For millions of years (a million years is about 50,000 generations) man’s diet consisted of animals he could kill and plants he could find.  Obesity and coronary artery disease basically did not exist.  In 1828, American per capita sugar consumption had risen to 12 pounds a year, but coronary disease still did not exist.  By the early 1900s, the level was around 100 pounds a year, consumption of refined flour was way up, and coronary disease was starting to appear.  Sugar and high fructose corn syrup consumption is now over 150 pounds a year, along with lots of refined flour in breads and pastas.  These figures come from the USDA.


       We were healthy on a high fat, high protein, low carb diet for more than 50,000 generations, then in six generations we go to a diet loaded with carbohydrates, we encounter an epidemic of obesity and heart disease, and our doctors tell us to… reduce our fat consumption. 


       My mother’s doctor, now retired, recently lost weight, lowered his cholesterol, triglycerides, and blood pressure, raised his HDL “good” cholesterol, and felt much better on the  Atkins diet, and he now recommends it.  He says other doctors are coming around.

Like Galileo, Dr. Atkins had to wait until he was dead to get the approval of his peers.

       I started the  Atkins “induction” diet a week ago.  Meals consist of steak, chicken, bacon, sausage, hamburger, cheese, eggs, butter, lettuce, oil, vinegar, and lots of water.  I eat any of these foods whenever I get even a little hungry.  A week isn’t much, and maybe it’s all water, but I’m down eight pounds, have lots more energy, and need less sleep.  


       I’ll keep you posted on how the numbers progress.  Right now there's a bacon-wrapped filet in the kitchen with my name on it.


                                                                                            John  Ross 9/17/2004

there are a few points that makes me go ehh

1. This is a paper done in China. All Chinese Authors. Chinese professors are pressured to publish, the quality of the researches are sometimes questionable.
2. They did not perform primary research. They took genetic data and questionnaire data from UK database. They can't really control the quality of the questionnaires.
3. This study is based on data on Europeans. Even though the scientists are in China. They couldn't gather data (but mostly because there is no genome data for Chinese population)
4. They excluded people in the data who have no diseases. They also excluded people without full genomic data. Usually people who submitted full genomic data have similar behavioral traits, so this makes the data flawed.
5. I'm not familiar with Mendelian randomization, it's not something that we use in molecular biology. I'm guessing their logic is a. we found specific gene sequences correlated to consumption of red meat, or processed meat. b. we found no specific correlation between the presence of these gene variants to the development of three diseases in people with these diseases.

(girlfriend is a molecular biologist)