Triple parenthesis refers to the Jews. Could be modern-day, could be millennia-old bloodlines. Apparently the powers that be infiltrated the old Jews, corrupting the Kazars or something like that.
I'm keto but am wondering how you carnivore dieters are going to make it through upcoming meat shortages. Stores in my area are already rationing to one pack of each 'animal' per visit. Things are going to get worse, especially if there's a trucker shutdown and/or bank runs a la Canada.
Farmers. Buy bulk meat direct. That’s what a lot of us do. Shortages are fake and gay. Restaurants are massive funnels for meat sales and biz is down. It’s not a meat shortage it’s a supply chain organization problem.
I imagine many Asian folks who eat white rice as a daily staple (and incidentally are NOT fat) might think this is ridiculous. We make Amylase to digest starchy carbs for a very good reason.
We also have taste buds to taste and enjoy sweet fruits and honey. Off the top of my head I can’t think of any fat frugivores.
Nobody becomes diabetic eating mangoes, bananas and orange juice. Fruit is designed to be eaten. Dark chocolate has many proven health benefits. 🤷🏻♀️
My Japanese brother- and sister-in-law used to not be able to live without their rice, but on their own have now cut it out about a year ago, and have lost a good amount of weight.
Melanie Trump (middle aged and DEFINITELY not fat) aims to eat 7 servings of fruit per day. She values the antioxidants and flavonoids as they are extremely health promoting.
I could write for hours about the analgesic, antiinflammatory, nephroprotective, neuroprotective, and antimicrobial AND anti-aging effects of naringenin alone. If big Pharma could patent it they would. I have one friend who has been low-carbing for years, she isn’t aging well.
I am waiting to find out what is true after the awakening. Everything I have read about fruits and sugars has been almost shouted by MSM. I keep finding the truth is the opposite of what they shout.
Correct. First they demonized fats, now they are demonizing carbohydrates. The truth of the matter lies somewhere in between.
There are good fats (natural saturated fats such as butter, tallow and coconut oil) and there are bad fats (PUFA or polyunsaturated industrial seed/fish oils). Any fat that is liquid at room temperature goes rancid very quickly and is quite toxic at human body temp.
Likewise, there are good carbs (fruit, honey and potatoes) and bad carbs (refined high fructose corn syrup, grains and legumes).
I consider grains to be bird food. They take a lot of processing to be digestible. Legumes are toxic unless properly prepared. I think seafood, beef and dairy are far superior forms of protein compared to legumes.
However, if you like whole grain rye bread and legumes and you have no digestive or health issues then go ahead and eat them.
I recognize that organic grains/legumes which have been properly prepared such as soaking, sprouting, fermenting and pressure cooking can make them less toxic and more digestible. I’m just not willing to go to those lengths when there are tastier easier options available.
I went off and googled naringenin and got a million results, a large portion of which are probably misleading. Do you have a skinny on the primary benefits? Is it a detoxifier, immune builder, gut biome regulator, or something else? Just trying to get an idea or resource before jumping off into the interwebs... Thanks.
I don’t base my ideas on Melania Trump and one friend, those are merely two examples. I base my ideas on many years of studying human physiology and self-experimentation.
I’ve done a low carb/zero carb diet for three years. I developed many health issues and that sent me researching further. Turns out I’m not the only one who suffered problems.
So while a low carb diet is very good for ripping fat off the body, it doesn’t work for everybody as a LONG TERM healthy lifestyle.
I don’t need to read the book. I ate low carb for a year, then full blown keto for the next year and then carnivore after that....from 2010 to the end of 2013. I was meticulous with my butter slathered food intake. Eventually I garnered a kidney stone from all the plant oxalates. I will never eat spinach, Swiss chard nor kale again.
I agree that low carb is effortless, but it came with a very high price for me. I realize this way of eating works well for many men. But I’m not convinced that aging women 55+ do as well in the long term, based on my own personal experience.
I feel and look a million times better eating ripe organic fruit, meat and potatoes and lower fat dairy.
My biggest problem. I married an Italian girl and I love Italian food. I have learned all the awesome pasta recipes like spaghetti with my homemade Italian sausage, pesto with shrimp and scallops, Oil and clam sauce, homemade pizza. It's tough, especially when I cook for the whole family. I just be sure to add extra sausage and meatballs for me with lots of salad.
The problem isn't carbs. Its highly processed foods. Unfortunately modern flour is highly processed so anything made with it is not so good for you. They literally remove half the components of the flour then leave the other half sitting around to rot. Its so bad that they have to add vitamins back into the flour so it doesn't kill you.
I mill my own flour and make my own pasta and bread. You can't buy bread this good at the store and I'm not really even trying hard.
I’m totally on board with IF, I do 19/5 daily and a 72 hour fast about once every 3 weeks, but suggesting someone can consume absolutely whatever they want within a certain window and lose weight and feel good is false.
I challenge you tomorrow during your non fasting window to drink a 24 pack case of coca-cola and report back how you feel.
I have a 4 hour feeding window(eat first at around 2pm, then again at around 6pm and that's it), it's very doable, but even then I don't eat a bunch of garbage of course
Though going keto is just not doable for me right now, i'd like to try it someday for a while, but I can't let go of my rice and beans for now (i'm Brazilian)
Eating anytime of the day is not very good, every time you eat (carbs or not) you spike your insulin, sure by completely cutting carbs you force the body to use fat, but you still might get the bad effects of insulin resistance
Imo the better advice is to do some intermittent fasting, could be as easy as 16/8 (16 hour fast, 8 hour feeding window), already gets great results and it's very simple to stick to, plus while not cutting carbs completely, sticking to good quality real food carbs (like rice and beans, sweet potatoes, fruit) and not the highly processed stuff
Also saying not to worry about physical activity is folly... muscle protects, and exercise greatly increases metabolic rates and boosts the immune system, not to mention that it keeps you strong for when that's needed... and it might be
i work out 5 times a week minimum, and highly recommend everyone do as well, I do it at home, with the bare minimum of equipment (pullup bar of the kind you put in a door jamb, and a couple adjustable dumbells), but even with no equipment at all there's plenty one can do.
If it's some of the best in the world or not idk, and indeed the Gauchos love their beef heh.
Thing is it still costs way too much, I cannot afford eating only meat, I need the rice and beans (and vegetables, fruits etc) to fill the gap, because it's cheap... and imo, it's quality food.
I can go for 24 hour fasts no problem too(after all I fast for 20 hours every day), and I eat carbs (I try to avoid pastry/any wheat products as much as I can though)
As for the insulin spike, as I said, it happens when you eat, period, it's a normal(and necessary) response from the body when eating, doesn't matter what you eat, that's why the best practice is to avoid snacking, just have 2, maybe 3 meals in the day tops.
yes some things spike it worse than others, but the spike is there regardless.
And I never mentioned anything about you saying that "physical activity isn't good", I said that it was folly to suggest that people "don't worry about physical activity" (that's what you said verbatum).
After all is the objective to be healthy or to turn into a stick? sure you can lose the fat by having a severely strict diet, but is that enough? or would you want to be strong and healthy also? for that exercising is imperative.
intermittent fasting is much much easier when you are fat-adapted
Well, but that's the thing, IF gets you to be fat adapted by itself, after all you're FASTING for a long periods of time, what does the body use in that time for food? :) keto just might jumpstart it a bit faster.
Every time you eat, your insulin spikes a bit, regardless of what you're eating. My guess is the constant insulin spikes, which can have a bad effect on one's health over a long period of time, is what the OP meant.
Low-glycemic foods only cause modest insulin spikes, but I don't believe u/LanaForge was talking about severity of the spikes.
Bottom line, eating less often will cause insulin to spike less often. Whether it's a modest or severe spike, the goal should be to reduce these spikes as often as possible, especially if you're pre-diabetic.
Intermittent fasting works, just like keto does. For me, OMAD works very well. The important thing is getting your insulin under control if you want to lose weight. Your body needs to be able to use your fat stores in order for weight loss to happen.
Are you still in ketosis if you’re under the 50g carb? Can you still eat that piece of bread, pasta or whatever as long as it’s under 50g and be in ketosis? Or will you stop being in ketosis?
I cut out all breads, potatoes, rice, pasta ( I will have a little at our sunday spaghetti dinners, but keep it under 50g) and anything with carbs. I have found I can do like 3 taco shells, low carb burrito wraps, fathead bread for pizza. We just made lasagna with deli chicken breast in place of the pasta. So good! I make my own Italian sausage, as well as german sausage. We have chickens so we have tons of good eggs. I make a mean quiche with sausage and bacon and cheese.
It's actually an adventure to create yummy meals that are low carb. The tuff part is eating out. Restaurants don't get it.
You can maintain it with 50g or less. I doubt you will find much bread or pasta less than 50g. You might, but there are carbs in everything else that add up quickly. I have found once you get to your desired weight you can have a cheat day on weekends and still bounce back into ketosis fairly quickly.
The main thing is getting rid of high fructose corn syrup. It’s really horrible shit.
Yea I haven’t had processed foods or corn syrup in years but metabolism slowing way down. It’s not cutting it anymore. Hopefully keto and IF will help. I’ve been doing IF for a month or so now and keto for about 3 weeks. So far lost 5 lbs. Feels like eons can’t believe it’s only 3 weeks.
Low carb dieting reduces T3, the active portion of thyroid hormone that is directly responsible for metabolism. Low carbing might be fine to do short term during winter when light levels are low, but as humans age the metabolism slows anyways. Cycling carbohydrate intake might avoid the drop in T3.
I think low carb diets can be hard on some females over the age of 55 or so. Perhaps males are less prone to the slowed metabolism, unless they’ve been eating PUFA for decades. Then all bets are off.
The benefit of intermittent fasting is the break from eating is when your body utilizes the food consumed to undergo cellular repair and healing, which it can't do very well if it's busy processing and digesting food. Pick any 16 hr window that works for you. I stop eating at 8 pm and resume at noon the following day. You can cheat a little (keto fat bombs for example), but no protein or carbs so your pancreas can sleep through it. I use a body comp scale and came to the conclusion you can't really burn fat unless you lay off alcohol. Same as sugar. Fructose (hidden in processed foods) and alcohol disable your leptin response; leptin is what your body produces to tell you to take the fork out of your mouth you've eaten enough.
I know a woman in her early 60’s, she’s been doing this way of eating for longer than I’ve known her which is 25 years. Her skin looks awful, wrinkled and droopy. She’s slim, but has NO stamina or endurance when we’re hiking. She’s also become scatterbrained and forgetful.
While this diet can be useful to get the fat off, I wouldn’t call it the fountain of youth for some women.
I’ve always wondered why people on keto have funny looking skin. It looks so paper thin and wrinkly.
Not me. When I was on keto, I made sure to get my vitamins, electrolytes, and collagen. My skin looked amazing and everyone guessed me at 5 years younger.
I don’t know, but she looks dehydrated, drawn and haggard. Like I said we’ve known each other for 25 years so I know what she used to look like.
I did low carb and eventually no carb for three years and I felt like my skin took a turn for the worse. I also was freezing cold all the time, woke up at 3 a.m. every fucking night and couldn’t achieve an orgasm if my life depended on it. But since my libido was completely tanked it didn’t matter. Also could no longer tolerate any alcohol whatsoever. It was a total drag. I know it works for many, but I look and feel better eating cheese AND fruit 🍎 🍌 🍒
It’s definitely interesting how it affects each person differently. I did keto (kinda dirty at times) for 5-6 months. Felt the best I ever felt during it, was eating a ton but never gained any weight, my libido was strong, and somehow my strength shot through the roof in the gym. I’ve always been kinda weak on all of my lifts, but was plowing through PRs on keto. I also had less crashes/fatigue mid-day and never had to worry about feeling hungry. I ended up quitting it though because it’s so difficult to avoid carbs in modern day. However once I came off of keto and went back to a regular diet with carbs, j had libido issues for 2-3 months. Was the most bizarre and frustrating thing ever.
Now I’m trying to find my sweet spot of plenty of good fats & protein with a smaller amount of carbs. If I eat freely, especially carbs, I put weight on extremely easily. I have to lift + stair master 3-5 times per week just to keep a stable weight. Frustrating because I have friends that smash carbs and junk food all day everyday and never gain a pound, nor do they workout.
Why can’t “science” figure out how to modify metabolic rates so my body can just churn through food and body fat? LOL.
I hear you! I’m old enough to remember when we called this “Metabolic Syndrome“ and indeed it is an issue of each individual’s metabolism.
It’s precisely why one size fits all does not work for everybody. There are far too many variables such as gut microbiome imbalances, various stressors from jobs to family, exercise differences, hormone issues, nutritional deficiencies, age, gender, geographic location etc etc etc.
The best advice seems to be eating nutrient dense food with enough healthy SATURATED fat for proper hormone production, enough high quality protein for muscle growth and metabolism and enough nutritious carbs for LOW STRESS energy production.... unfortunate that combo looks different for everybody.
There’s healthy keto and then dirty keto. Does she also eat a lot of greens and veggies? Maybe she’s deficient in vitamins or maybe the diet isn’t for her ?
Don't think either-or. Intermittent fasting and low-carb (not necessarily full keto) go wonderfully well together. In fact I feel doing both at the same time is actually easier than doing either on its own.
Kinda sorta I guess, when I first started doing IF, without being on keto, yeah it was a bit hard, but after my body got fat adapted it's a breeze, I often go for 48 hour fasts without much hassle.
Keto just gets you fat adapted faster, you might still fell the hunger spikes in the times you were used to eat though, because that's just a natural response from the body, but it goes away pretty fast.
Low carb works because fat and protein are more satisfying so you need less of it, and under ketosis you burn fat reserves instead of storing it which is the most Integral function of insulin as it pertains to weight.
Carbs digest quickly and insulin makes you crave more food. That doesn't make it bad on its own.
Low carb is also not the norm and people have survived just fine and remained in amazing shape despite it. I prefer keto myself, but carb cycling is actually better for weight loss and muscle gain.
Essentially, you don't have full grasp of the story or the biomechanics of the human body. You are someone who threw themselves into low carb and declared it the best because you saw the results you wanted.
When you get down and dirty with how the human body works, you learn that carbs are good when used correctly and in moderate proportion.
Carb cycling once a year won't do anything. Our bodies adapt extremely fast, which is what carb cycling exploits.
When bulking or doing a weight loss regimen, carb cycling is usually done on a 3-4 day cycle. By cycling between high, medium, and low fat/carbs/protein in various controlled proportions, you are constantly tricking your body's mechanics to burn fat while maintaining its health.
Simultaneously, you're allowing your body the supplies it needs to build muscle and repair itself, and your brain the supplies it needs to think clearly and do a good job maintaining its chemical balances.
Also simultaneously, you are preventing your body from entering a stage where it thinks it's starving, which actually makes it harder to lose weight and easier to gain it because it increases your stress and the body clamps down on functions to be more efficient with its energy stores, a very bad combination when losing or maintaining weight.
Incidentally this function is also why eating a strict diet is often bad for weight loss; cycling or just..not caring too much about your caloric intake (within reason) prevents your body from becoming too efficient with calorie burn.
If you ate the same 2K calories every day, you would stop losing weight at a point even if you were well above the weight that 2K would maintain because the body is really good at becoming efficient.
It's one of many reasons, including many outlined in my posts, that the idea that weight loss is just calorie in vs calorie out is just not true and exceedingly outdated. A lot of things factor into our weight and how we lose or keep it and it's useful to learn as many of those factors and their effects as possible, especially if you want to come to a board and essentially lecture people on diets.
And again, I am generally a keto person. I have picked up carbs again for bulking and weight loss right now, but I enjoy the effects I feel (usually) on a low or no carb diet. But I can never discount how important carbs actually are in moderation.
I used to weigh over 300 pounds. I practically starved myself down to 240. Then after a while of struggling to maintain I switched to a Keto diet (low carb, high fat & protein). I now weigh 200 pounds and have maintained it for years. Carbs and other processed junk are terrible for you. This is the way.
I have lost 60 lbs. so far on this very plan. I went the slow and steady route
(6 years) and average weight loss at about 10 lbs. a year. Cut out alcohol, found Jesus Christ and now Born Again. Loving life!!!
Good post, good info. So tell us more about your personal situation. Were you fat - etc. Also, where do you get your recipes - can you suggest a site or post some recipes? Tell us a typical day's meals for you. What do you consider low carb? (how many carbs per day?) Do you do anything else - like fast or intermittent fasting? Do you exercise or lift weights. Give us the 411. Thanks.
I can give you some info about a fat based diet. It takes 2 to 3 days for your body to go into what's called ketosis if you cut out carbs and sugar. To get into and maintain ketosis you have to keep your net carbs approximately under 25 G a day. This varies based off age, height and body weight.
Once your body is in a state of ketosis not only will you feel less hungry because the fat actually fills you up and gives you longer more sustainable energy but you will also start dropping weight like crazy.
I've lost over 60 lb in a year eating steaks and bacon and other meats and green vegetables and avocados and lots of lots of butter.
Also once you're in ketosis you'll feel more energetic, have less brain fog, certain health problems can practically disappear, and a lot of achy joints and muscle seem to just vanish.
There's a little bit more to it than just that brief summary but there's tons of books and websites and subreddits that you can go and learn the do's and don'ts. There's tons of fantastic keto products out there now like bread, noodles, cereal, and candy so you can still enjoy many things that weren't traditionally keto.
Thank you, fren. It was good of you to elaborate so much. Wow! I can't believe the response you've gotten. That's great! Shows people are really interested in the subject.
And yes, this helped. At first I thought you might have been a pudge-pot looking to get into shape. it's interesting that you don't even work out. I am fascinated by the idea that this carnivore style of eating seems to satisfy so fully. I like meat and often crave protein. But I really love vegs too and it's hard to imagine leaving them behind. But you are not the only one who has said it can be done. I may give this a try and see if it helps with some issues. And I have never even heard of A2. I checked it out and found it interesting. I will see if it's available in my area.
I hope you don't mind two follow up questions. Answer at your convenience. Do
you pay much attention to the RATIO of fat to protein that you eat in a day or at each meal? Or do you just dig in? I think I've heard you're supposed to eat a higher percentage of your meals in fats. And you mentioned eating fatty steaks.
Just curious how you prepare them? Do you mostly pan fry them? Thanks again very much. Have a great weekend.
Wow, thanks again. I might look into that Brevill. I like the idea of heating a small oven. That and Saladino's book.
I'm glad you posted this original topic and I'm glad this style of eating is working so successfully for you. It's good of you to share and try to help other people, especially frens.
One of my sons and I just started down this path. Which other books or resources do you suggest?
Also, I've heard, when starting out on this diet, that headaches are common. I suffer from debilitating migraines already. What do you suggest to stave off the headaches?
I've been in bed almost all day today due to a massive migraine. Not sure if it's from th diet, or just one of the migraines I get regularly, but today has been brutal. Any suggestions?
Supplementing with Chelated Bisglycinate Magnesium nightly before bed cured my migraines, as well as helped with so many other things like sleeping well, muscle pain and twitches.....
Most of my migraines are caused from nerve issues in my neck and spine. I have occipital neuralgia. That's part of it. I also have some sinus issues from serving in the M.E. and having broken my nose half a dozen times. I already know what causes most of them. Weather changes are an issue for me due to th sinus damage, too.
Plus, in my teens I was hypoglycemic. Eating carbs was a necessity, or I would pass out randomly from low blood sugar issues. Meat, nuts, and fruits wasn't enough. This was a real issue throughout high school as I was a football player and competitive weight lifter. It went away after I reached my 20's, but I'm wondering if it's coming back now that I'm 45, or if it's diet related. Not really sure, but that's why I'm willing to go on this "diet."
Anyway, thanks for all the info. I will definitely be researching this because I need to get in better shape.
Don’t laugh (you can laugh at them) but there’s these two goofy, amazing physical therapists on the internet that have a cure for literally everything. I get headaches, sister has migraines… they help. I thought I had dislocated my shoulder and constantly woke up with major shoulder pain. Turns out it was my first rib and I googled them desperate one night bc I was in pain. Literally did the exercise three times and instant relief. Have to find the right segment for your pain
Your body may also be going through a detox and it can make you dehydrated. Liquid IV rocks and you should drink plenty of water with lemon to help your liver rid the toxins.
I know...the first time I saw them, they really impressed me...the perfect combination of easy banter and great tips! So glad you shared them with everyone! Take care fren!
I was diagnosed with occipital neuralgia in college and suffered debilitating migraines as well… the kind where I could barely lift my head up off the pillow. I was able to trace the pain in my neck/base of my head back to TMJ since I broke my jaw from a softball to the face at age 3. I went to a chiro/PT who did dry needle therapy (like acupuncture but needles go in much deeper) to break up all the old scar tissue. It left me extremely sore but wasn’t painful, he would do all along my jawline on my face and neck/shoulder related muscles 2x/week for almost 3 mo then gave me PT exercises for TMJ. Happy to report its been over 12 years without a migraine and the pain in my neck is nonexistent. As far as sinus problems with the change in weather/pressure, I have those as well - mostly from bad allergies/tonsil removal bc they used to catch everything and I would get nasty infections. The only thing that works for me is daily nasal washing 2-3x/day using Xlear nose spray (contains xylitol, grapefruit seed extract, saline). The xylitol forms a film to trap bacteria, it’s kept my son from having any ear infections while in daycare the last 2 years as well. You should look into both of these things for your ailments, hope this helps! Also - I played competitive volleyball in HS/college and also had the fainting issues which I thought was due to low blood sugar, but realized it’s bc I have low blood pressure so actually more neurological vs diet-related. Mine ended up being linked to anxiety, meditation has helped but also grew out of it in my 20s. The only thing that makes me dizzy or have a headache now is a bad sinus infection so started treating that and immensely better.
I’m sure this could be a controversial topic, but you’re right. I spent thanksgiving to new year gorging myself with sugar and carbs, gained 30 lbs and felt like garbage.
I’ve been low carbing, eating one meal a day (intermittent fasting) since Jan 3rd, lost 20 lbs so far and feel like a million bucks. Do it and don’t relapse like I did.
I have recently discovered i love corned beef hash (meat & potatoes) ... Is that a goodmix, i have heard thats a great stout meal?! Your not gonna ruin my day are you!??????
I eat the same way along with my long time girlfriend. I figured this stuff out researching many years ago about various topics and have been eating this way on my own for a long time. I managed to convince her of all this after some years of dating and she gave it a shot. We eat this diet together now and have been for the better part of a year. Basically I ended up curing her of type 2 diabetes (cut off all medication/insulin injections, go high fat and zero carb/sugar diet for months on end). She's on the road to recovery now and losing weight too. I pretty much managed to save her life from the severe medical complications she was having.
The truth hurts. A huge amount of chronic disease people suffer from nowadays is the result of slowly killing themselves by not being able to understand what is actually healthy for them.
Good post. From my biochemistry courses I took years ago. Everything you said about fat is what we learned. Carbs are bad. Complex carbs in moderation are good. Carbs are where you get those love handles from and that fat stomach roll and man boobies. Cut the carbs. And sugar. It all turns to glucose- sugar and causes you to gain storage fat. If you simply stop eating bread you will notice a difference in a few weeks. Fat is good!!
Avoid nut oils if you can. The narrative that olive oil is good for you is boosheet. We should be using tallow and lard. Good luck finding tallow. Learn how to save these fats when cooking your meat.
I totally agree that liquid oils are detrimental to health. But Coconut oil is healthy (even though it’s a nut/seed) due to it being highly saturated like butter and tallow.
I just started this diet in December and also lost about 20 pounds so far. The constipation issue can be averted by eating more fiber. I eat a salad almost every day. On keto diet you can load your salad up with cheese bacon and other delightful things.
It sounds like he needs more fat and less fiber. Using fiber to stimulate bowel movements is like using a plunger to unplug your plumbing. It works but it stresses the plumbing. He can test this theory very easily by taking an oil-based laxative. If it makes it easier without pain, he needs more oils and fats in his diet. Both my parents had medical issues from impacted colons in their later years, so I learned about it. There's a book called "the fiber menace" which will scare people about too much fiber, and while I thought he was rather extreme about it, the author made an excellent argument about how fat is better than fiber for your digestive system.
I’ve read that folks who have trouble digesting dairy usually have some sort of gut flora imbalance, which often strikes after a bad stomach flu.
A round of herbal antibiotics (such as oregano oil or raw garlic) followed up by good quality probiotics should help.
When reintroducing dairy to the diet start with a tiny amount each day, like one sip of milk. Keep doing that, ramping up slowly, adding a tiny amount while watching for symptoms. It takes about two weeks for the body to begin making various enzymes to digest milk properly.
Sorry, I responded before reading your other comments. The oils vs fiber is true, but probably not your friend's solution. I can say that my mother developed lactose intolerance, but she got over it by drinking only organic milk and it went away. There are some that recommend kefir or organic living yogurt to overcome lactose indifference, but I don't have personal experience with that. Good luck.
There’s a food additive in MANY dairy products called carrageenan. It’s used as a thickener in heavy cream, cottage cheese, ice cream, cream cheese, etc. It can cause intestinal irritation. I absolutely avoid it like the plague.
Same here. Big fan of keto. BUT, have you noticed that stockpiling food (like Patriot Food Supply) is almost impossible? Everyone says get rice and beans, but that's doesn't work for us. Any suggestions other than keeping a freezer of meat stocked?
One thing people can try, just as a first step, is just using more real butter. Instead of having loads of slices of toast, have fewer but with more butter.
Funny you posted this, I was thinking this morning how the old American Heart Association diet was a medical myth. Never tested, never proven, but perpetuated for decades. President Eisenhower went on it after his heart attack and his cholesterol level increased, his doctors had to start telling him (lying that) it was getting better to reduce his stress levels.
If they will lie for decades about a diet that does not improve your heart condition, it should come as no surprise the same profession is willing to lie about a highly survivable virus.
Glad I never gave up coffee, lard, eggs, or eating other fats! Thanks for the post.
We ate refined carbs as staples when I was growing up in the 1970s and the huge majority of us were effortlessly slim to normal weight and had been for decades or longer, eating this way. This changed almost overnight in the mid- to late-1980s, when millions of people started blowing up like balloons and their Herculean efforts - trying all kinds of diets from low-calorie to low-fat to low-carb and many more - failed, only to have them all backfire over time, resulting in greater weight gain a few years later. Even the babies and the pets are fat now. It's more than just carbs driving the obesity epidemic.
I think our food supply, now pumped full of hormones and antibiotics and GMOs and laced with high fructose corn syrup where sugar used to be, is screwed up.
Well...I've been into nutrition for a long while. I don't think there's a one-size fits all for everyone. Definitely our processed foods are poisoned. As a society we consume WAY too much sugar. And you don't need all these grains they try and shove down people's throats, or dairy every day (or even at all). Fasting definitely has its benefits...
But the thing is, everyone is beginning at a different starting point, and many have nutritional deficiencies they don't even KNOW they have.
For most, keto is a good way to kick-off into cleaner eating and entering a less inflammatory state, imho. However, I don't think it's necessary to maintain. I think once a person gets used to eating clean, they begin to understand their body more; like what kicks-off inflammation for YOU, and what you can tolerate while still enjoying and maintaining good energy, and weight.
Imho, it's really about trying out a few ways of eating that work for you - utilizing the tools we know are out there: intermittent fasting, keto or low carb, gluten-free and/or no dairy, not eating or at least really minimizing SOY/Corn and other GMOs, not eating artificial sweeteners, not eating and avoiding excito-toxins like MSG, etc.,not drinking your calories, avoiding sulfates, certain dyes, additives.
Trying to eat home-made meals as often as possible. Getting enough water and sleep.
If you can prioritize these things, you'll be really head and shoulders above the average American when it comes to health.
Yeah I don't disagree - I think it will benefit everyone. But a lot of folks don't like to eat that way, or won't really sustain it. Although I do know you adapt and get used to it. I guess I'm just trying to say that a person doesn't have to do hard-core keto to get healthy, although like you said, most would really benefit from it. Definitely.
I like Weston A. Price's information and his research. It's very elucidating. Also there's a great book called "Nourishing Traditions" which is very interesting - it gets into how foods were traditionally prepared, and how much of those traditions have been lost via "fast food." What's interesting, is how much of the prep. unlocks vitamins and minerals that aren't readily bio-available, but per these old traditions of prep, it chemically releases them and also renders for example, phytonutrients to be less harmful. It's a really interesting book.
I’ve been on board with keto for a long time… but this video on fasting was a huge mind opener…. It’s worth a watch if you’re interested in this topic.
Best thing is cut out ALL processed foods. Fiber and fat prevent overeating to obesity. Processed foods spike insulin and cause cravings and addiction.
Eat as natural and organic as possible. Ideally, you eat plants and meat you grow/raise yourself
Again, not talking about adding fiber to your diet. I'm talking about NOT excluding the fiber from the foods you eat. Whole, natural foods. Not processed, not modified. I also believe in eating raw whenever you can.
I think any idiot on earth can "EAT RIGHT" if they only eat REAL FOOD.
The real trick is UNLEARNING all the bullshit people have been "taught". My grandmother didn't shop in supermarkets. She got meat from a butcher and bread from a baker etc etc. You would never see her eating food she didn't make herself.
Once people see the truth about processed food, they will realize that grocery stores are a WASTELAND. Even the produce is GMO/Chemically treated. The meat is GMO/chemically treated. Nearly everything in the aisles is in a package and was made in a factory.
Read about enriched flour and how that became a requirement. They destroyed wheat and then tried to fix it instead of going back to ACTUAL real bread...you can't find real bread ...if you want to make it yourself, you need to get the wheat and milk it yourself and cook it before it spoils ...
I started keto a couple months ago wanting to lose some weight. It's the best thing I've ever done. I'm 35 and I feel like I did at 16. It has made my insomnia less severe, I wake up rested. My brain doesn't feel foggy. I can concentrate more. I don't get hungry at night. My gerd has gone. I don't feel bloated. I lost 6kg in the first week. I'm eating foods I normally didn't like such as cheese, creams, bacon, eggs. If you love bread there's alternatives like keto wraps and pizza bases, there's even no sugar ice cream if you must. I don't get cravings for doritos and coke anymore, I used to eat 3 packets of doritos with dip a week. They are really trying to kill us through food.
I started a Keto-esque diet I guess a couple years ago now, and do have a problem with weight, too much of it specifically.
Off the bat and out of the gate is was wonderful, but after some time I'm too easily snookered into binging on anti-Keto foods. After a time of this, I switched to the DASH diet (Dietary Approaches to Stop Hypertension), which this too out of the gate worked wonders, but here I find myself again after some time getting off diet.
The biggest factors for me are:
Ease of food prep. This is essential for me in the wash, rinse, repeat aspect. I'm more than fine with basic, non-elaborate meals, and in fact prefer them, because, ease of prep.
Cost some of these diets can get fairly pricey. This kind of further plays into 1, basic meals, not a lot of ingredients, not a lot of $ or time spent.
I've spent considerable time on 1 and 2 prior to starting Keto and DASH finding ingredients, planning easily repeatable meals, and keeping costs down.
This is perhaps the best non-Q post I've seen here, thanks for posting. I'm thinking it's time to switch back to Keto.
Ha, so I've had this post open in a tab since my reply, and even bookmarked it for future reference.
I just started back on keto today, and then thinking after some time of transitioning off carbs giving the carnivore diet a try.
One aspect of diet I've been fortunate in, I'm a pretty plain eater. So that for me simplifies any food regimen for me, while also making it hard to find recipes being most are multi ingredient and many steps.
Thanks for the book recommendation, I'll definitely check it out.
So I'm curious, what, if any, supplements (vitamins etc) do you take?
This is so true for me too. About 2 years ago, I slowly started adding more fat into my food and taking carbs out. Now I avoid added sugars all together. I never feel hungry. I can go longer periods of time without eating. I don’t get cravings for snacks. I also feel more sensitive to sugar, so I don’t eat a lot of it at once.
I have tried to tell my friends about this and they never understand. I think the “fat is bad” narrative is too prominent in our culture. They get oat milk and fake meat thinking it is healthy. I used to be that way too, but I found that drinking whole milk and eating real meat not only tastes better, but keeps you fuller longer!
Food pyramid is a big lie, basically it's upside down
[They] want you sick.
I believe that now 100%
(((they))) want us sick.
What's the difference between [they] and (((they)))?
More bass.
(((they))) just thumps.
Triple parenthesis refers to the Jews. Could be modern-day, could be millennia-old bloodlines. Apparently the powers that be infiltrated the old Jews, corrupting the Kazars or something like that.
All designed to keep us fat and unhealthy.
Never bought into the food pyramid, a sim a walking, talking contradiction to that bunk assed "science."
Completely opposite of what your body requires, fats should be at the top of the list. Your brain needs fats first.
Switch the vegetables (optional) with the healthy fats (necessary).
Then it's perfect.
I'm keto but am wondering how you carnivore dieters are going to make it through upcoming meat shortages. Stores in my area are already rationing to one pack of each 'animal' per visit. Things are going to get worse, especially if there's a trucker shutdown and/or bank runs a la Canada.
It’s not “dieting”.
Farmers. Buy bulk meat direct. That’s what a lot of us do. Shortages are fake and gay. Restaurants are massive funnels for meat sales and biz is down. It’s not a meat shortage it’s a supply chain organization problem.
Walk around any Big Box store, look at people (bleh) and look in carts and one can’t help but see your statement is truth.
Thank you for this reminder!
When I ate "keto", I looked good, ached less and my skin glowed. Gonna get back to it.
As an Italian i find this post problematic
I imagine many Asian folks who eat white rice as a daily staple (and incidentally are NOT fat) might think this is ridiculous. We make Amylase to digest starchy carbs for a very good reason.
We also have taste buds to taste and enjoy sweet fruits and honey. Off the top of my head I can’t think of any fat frugivores.
Nobody becomes diabetic eating mangoes, bananas and orange juice. Fruit is designed to be eaten. Dark chocolate has many proven health benefits. 🤷🏻♀️
My Japanese brother- and sister-in-law used to not be able to live without their rice, but on their own have now cut it out about a year ago, and have lost a good amount of weight.
Melanie Trump (middle aged and DEFINITELY not fat) aims to eat 7 servings of fruit per day. She values the antioxidants and flavonoids as they are extremely health promoting.
I could write for hours about the analgesic, antiinflammatory, nephroprotective, neuroprotective, and antimicrobial AND anti-aging effects of naringenin alone. If big Pharma could patent it they would. I have one friend who has been low-carbing for years, she isn’t aging well.
I am waiting to find out what is true after the awakening. Everything I have read about fruits and sugars has been almost shouted by MSM. I keep finding the truth is the opposite of what they shout.
Correct. First they demonized fats, now they are demonizing carbohydrates. The truth of the matter lies somewhere in between.
There are good fats (natural saturated fats such as butter, tallow and coconut oil) and there are bad fats (PUFA or polyunsaturated industrial seed/fish oils). Any fat that is liquid at room temperature goes rancid very quickly and is quite toxic at human body temp.
Likewise, there are good carbs (fruit, honey and potatoes) and bad carbs (refined high fructose corn syrup, grains and legumes).
See? It’s easy, just eat real food.
So legumes and grains aren't real food? Whole grain / rye bread is bad?
I consider grains to be bird food. They take a lot of processing to be digestible. Legumes are toxic unless properly prepared. I think seafood, beef and dairy are far superior forms of protein compared to legumes.
However, if you like whole grain rye bread and legumes and you have no digestive or health issues then go ahead and eat them.
I recognize that organic grains/legumes which have been properly prepared such as soaking, sprouting, fermenting and pressure cooking can make them less toxic and more digestible. I’m just not willing to go to those lengths when there are tastier easier options available.
I went off and googled naringenin and got a million results, a large portion of which are probably misleading. Do you have a skinny on the primary benefits? Is it a detoxifier, immune builder, gut biome regulator, or something else? Just trying to get an idea or resource before jumping off into the interwebs... Thanks.
https://www.functionalps.com/blog/2013/11/19/protective-effects-of-citrus-flavanoid-naringenin/
Thanks!
I like how you base your ideas on Melania Trump and “One friend.”
I don’t base my ideas on Melania Trump and one friend, those are merely two examples. I base my ideas on many years of studying human physiology and self-experimentation.
I’ve done a low carb/zero carb diet for three years. I developed many health issues and that sent me researching further. Turns out I’m not the only one who suffered problems.
So while a low carb diet is very good for ripping fat off the body, it doesn’t work for everybody as a LONG TERM healthy lifestyle.
No, you don’t, which is why you started with Melanie Trump. No one starts with the worst possible footing.
Walk around. In a store. Look in carts. Looks at the grotesque flesh next to the carts.
I win.
I don’t need to read the book. I ate low carb for a year, then full blown keto for the next year and then carnivore after that....from 2010 to the end of 2013. I was meticulous with my butter slathered food intake. Eventually I garnered a kidney stone from all the plant oxalates. I will never eat spinach, Swiss chard nor kale again.
I agree that low carb is effortless, but it came with a very high price for me. I realize this way of eating works well for many men. But I’m not convinced that aging women 55+ do as well in the long term, based on my own personal experience.
I feel and look a million times better eating ripe organic fruit, meat and potatoes and lower fat dairy.
My biggest problem. I married an Italian girl and I love Italian food. I have learned all the awesome pasta recipes like spaghetti with my homemade Italian sausage, pesto with shrimp and scallops, Oil and clam sauce, homemade pizza. It's tough, especially when I cook for the whole family. I just be sure to add extra sausage and meatballs for me with lots of salad.
Banza, garbanzo bean pasta got me out of the pasta deaths. Fiber and protein, tastes decent.
Carbs are just edible plates
Gotta own them bean farts. Personally I need the fiber
Bye bye pasta, Italian bread, pizza with carb crust, tiramisu...
Very much in agreement
The problem isn't carbs. Its highly processed foods. Unfortunately modern flour is highly processed so anything made with it is not so good for you. They literally remove half the components of the flour then leave the other half sitting around to rot. Its so bad that they have to add vitamins back into the flour so it doesn't kill you.
I mill my own flour and make my own pasta and bread. You can't buy bread this good at the store and I'm not really even trying hard.
Eat anything you want in a six hour window and nothing outside that window and you will lose weight and feel better.
Yes 100%. I do this too. Usually don't start eating till 6PM.
Yeah I’m sure if you drank a 24 pack within a six hour window everyday you would lose weight and feel great.
Your statement isn’t true at all.
Prove it then.
I’m totally on board with IF, I do 19/5 daily and a 72 hour fast about once every 3 weeks, but suggesting someone can consume absolutely whatever they want within a certain window and lose weight and feel good is false.
I challenge you tomorrow during your non fasting window to drink a 24 pack case of coca-cola and report back how you feel.
you're an idiot
Cool story bro
I have a 4 hour feeding window(eat first at around 2pm, then again at around 6pm and that's it), it's very doable, but even then I don't eat a bunch of garbage of course
Though going keto is just not doable for me right now, i'd like to try it someday for a while, but I can't let go of my rice and beans for now (i'm Brazilian)
Eating anytime of the day is not very good, every time you eat (carbs or not) you spike your insulin, sure by completely cutting carbs you force the body to use fat, but you still might get the bad effects of insulin resistance
Imo the better advice is to do some intermittent fasting, could be as easy as 16/8 (16 hour fast, 8 hour feeding window), already gets great results and it's very simple to stick to, plus while not cutting carbs completely, sticking to good quality real food carbs (like rice and beans, sweet potatoes, fruit) and not the highly processed stuff
Also saying not to worry about physical activity is folly... muscle protects, and exercise greatly increases metabolic rates and boosts the immune system, not to mention that it keeps you strong for when that's needed... and it might be
i work out 5 times a week minimum, and highly recommend everyone do as well, I do it at home, with the bare minimum of equipment (pullup bar of the kind you put in a door jamb, and a couple adjustable dumbells), but even with no equipment at all there's plenty one can do.
If it's some of the best in the world or not idk, and indeed the Gauchos love their beef heh.
Thing is it still costs way too much, I cannot afford eating only meat, I need the rice and beans (and vegetables, fruits etc) to fill the gap, because it's cheap... and imo, it's quality food.
I can go for 24 hour fasts no problem too(after all I fast for 20 hours every day), and I eat carbs (I try to avoid pastry/any wheat products as much as I can though)
As for the insulin spike, as I said, it happens when you eat, period, it's a normal(and necessary) response from the body when eating, doesn't matter what you eat, that's why the best practice is to avoid snacking, just have 2, maybe 3 meals in the day tops.
yes some things spike it worse than others, but the spike is there regardless.
And I never mentioned anything about you saying that "physical activity isn't good", I said that it was folly to suggest that people "don't worry about physical activity" (that's what you said verbatum).
After all is the objective to be healthy or to turn into a stick? sure you can lose the fat by having a severely strict diet, but is that enough? or would you want to be strong and healthy also? for that exercising is imperative.
Well, but that's the thing, IF gets you to be fat adapted by itself, after all you're FASTING for a long periods of time, what does the body use in that time for food? :) keto just might jumpstart it a bit faster.
Every time you eat, your insulin spikes a bit, regardless of what you're eating. My guess is the constant insulin spikes, which can have a bad effect on one's health over a long period of time, is what the OP meant.
Low-glycemic foods only cause modest insulin spikes, but I don't believe u/LanaForge was talking about severity of the spikes.
Bottom line, eating less often will cause insulin to spike less often. Whether it's a modest or severe spike, the goal should be to reduce these spikes as often as possible, especially if you're pre-diabetic.
Intermittent fasting works, just like keto does. For me, OMAD works very well. The important thing is getting your insulin under control if you want to lose weight. Your body needs to be able to use your fat stores in order for weight loss to happen.
My whole plan is one sentence and works.
Intermittent fasting is good, but if you do that plus limit carbs to 50g or less per day then your body will learn to burn fat for fuel.
Joints will feel better and inflammation will decrease.
Are you still in ketosis if you’re under the 50g carb? Can you still eat that piece of bread, pasta or whatever as long as it’s under 50g and be in ketosis? Or will you stop being in ketosis?
I cut out all breads, potatoes, rice, pasta ( I will have a little at our sunday spaghetti dinners, but keep it under 50g) and anything with carbs. I have found I can do like 3 taco shells, low carb burrito wraps, fathead bread for pizza. We just made lasagna with deli chicken breast in place of the pasta. So good! I make my own Italian sausage, as well as german sausage. We have chickens so we have tons of good eggs. I make a mean quiche with sausage and bacon and cheese.
It's actually an adventure to create yummy meals that are low carb. The tuff part is eating out. Restaurants don't get it.
Would love to know your recipe for the quiche - if you felt like sharing it.
Thanks for the ideas fren.
You can maintain it with 50g or less. I doubt you will find much bread or pasta less than 50g. You might, but there are carbs in everything else that add up quickly. I have found once you get to your desired weight you can have a cheat day on weekends and still bounce back into ketosis fairly quickly.
The main thing is getting rid of high fructose corn syrup. It’s really horrible shit.
Yea I haven’t had processed foods or corn syrup in years but metabolism slowing way down. It’s not cutting it anymore. Hopefully keto and IF will help. I’ve been doing IF for a month or so now and keto for about 3 weeks. So far lost 5 lbs. Feels like eons can’t believe it’s only 3 weeks.
I felt like total shit coming off sugar. The “keto flu” is real. Good luck fren.
Low carb dieting reduces T3, the active portion of thyroid hormone that is directly responsible for metabolism. Low carbing might be fine to do short term during winter when light levels are low, but as humans age the metabolism slows anyways. Cycling carbohydrate intake might avoid the drop in T3.
I think low carb diets can be hard on some females over the age of 55 or so. Perhaps males are less prone to the slowed metabolism, unless they’ve been eating PUFA for decades. Then all bets are off.
You’re both right. Keto + intermittent fasting is the fountain of youth.
The benefit of intermittent fasting is the break from eating is when your body utilizes the food consumed to undergo cellular repair and healing, which it can't do very well if it's busy processing and digesting food. Pick any 16 hr window that works for you. I stop eating at 8 pm and resume at noon the following day. You can cheat a little (keto fat bombs for example), but no protein or carbs so your pancreas can sleep through it. I use a body comp scale and came to the conclusion you can't really burn fat unless you lay off alcohol. Same as sugar. Fructose (hidden in processed foods) and alcohol disable your leptin response; leptin is what your body produces to tell you to take the fork out of your mouth you've eaten enough.
I know a woman in her early 60’s, she’s been doing this way of eating for longer than I’ve known her which is 25 years. Her skin looks awful, wrinkled and droopy. She’s slim, but has NO stamina or endurance when we’re hiking. She’s also become scatterbrained and forgetful.
While this diet can be useful to get the fat off, I wouldn’t call it the fountain of youth for some women.
I’ve always wondered why people on keto have funny looking skin. It looks so paper thin and wrinkly. Any idea why that is?
Not me. When I was on keto, I made sure to get my vitamins, electrolytes, and collagen. My skin looked amazing and everyone guessed me at 5 years younger.
I don’t know, but she looks dehydrated, drawn and haggard. Like I said we’ve known each other for 25 years so I know what she used to look like.
I did low carb and eventually no carb for three years and I felt like my skin took a turn for the worse. I also was freezing cold all the time, woke up at 3 a.m. every fucking night and couldn’t achieve an orgasm if my life depended on it. But since my libido was completely tanked it didn’t matter. Also could no longer tolerate any alcohol whatsoever. It was a total drag. I know it works for many, but I look and feel better eating cheese AND fruit 🍎 🍌 🍒
Oranges, especially FTW 🍊🍊🍊
It’s definitely interesting how it affects each person differently. I did keto (kinda dirty at times) for 5-6 months. Felt the best I ever felt during it, was eating a ton but never gained any weight, my libido was strong, and somehow my strength shot through the roof in the gym. I’ve always been kinda weak on all of my lifts, but was plowing through PRs on keto. I also had less crashes/fatigue mid-day and never had to worry about feeling hungry. I ended up quitting it though because it’s so difficult to avoid carbs in modern day. However once I came off of keto and went back to a regular diet with carbs, j had libido issues for 2-3 months. Was the most bizarre and frustrating thing ever.
Now I’m trying to find my sweet spot of plenty of good fats & protein with a smaller amount of carbs. If I eat freely, especially carbs, I put weight on extremely easily. I have to lift + stair master 3-5 times per week just to keep a stable weight. Frustrating because I have friends that smash carbs and junk food all day everyday and never gain a pound, nor do they workout.
Why can’t “science” figure out how to modify metabolic rates so my body can just churn through food and body fat? LOL.
I hear you! I’m old enough to remember when we called this “Metabolic Syndrome“ and indeed it is an issue of each individual’s metabolism.
It’s precisely why one size fits all does not work for everybody. There are far too many variables such as gut microbiome imbalances, various stressors from jobs to family, exercise differences, hormone issues, nutritional deficiencies, age, gender, geographic location etc etc etc.
The best advice seems to be eating nutrient dense food with enough healthy SATURATED fat for proper hormone production, enough high quality protein for muscle growth and metabolism and enough nutritious carbs for LOW STRESS energy production.... unfortunate that combo looks different for everybody.
No shit.
There’s healthy keto and then dirty keto. Does she also eat a lot of greens and veggies? Maybe she’s deficient in vitamins or maybe the diet isn’t for her ?
Cpleb is right. Dirty keto is exactly how it sounds.
Grass finished red meat and wild caught fish is the way to go.
I balanced my veggies for additional vitamins and took organic supplements for hair or whatever else.
Reishi mushroom tea at night. (Everyone should try this regardless of diet)
Fountain of youth != fountain of beauty. If that old ugly broad manages to out live you by 20 years then she might be on to something.
She eats very high quality food, prides herself on it even.
I should mention that while I eat plenty of carbohydrates, I do not eat manufactured garbage/junk food (except Red Bull 😂 on occasion)
Yep.
Don't think either-or. Intermittent fasting and low-carb (not necessarily full keto) go wonderfully well together. In fact I feel doing both at the same time is actually easier than doing either on its own.
Kinda sorta I guess, when I first started doing IF, without being on keto, yeah it was a bit hard, but after my body got fat adapted it's a breeze, I often go for 48 hour fasts without much hassle.
Keto just gets you fat adapted faster, you might still fell the hunger spikes in the times you were used to eat though, because that's just a natural response from the body, but it goes away pretty fast.
Low carb works because fat and protein are more satisfying so you need less of it, and under ketosis you burn fat reserves instead of storing it which is the most Integral function of insulin as it pertains to weight.
Carbs digest quickly and insulin makes you crave more food. That doesn't make it bad on its own.
Low carb is also not the norm and people have survived just fine and remained in amazing shape despite it. I prefer keto myself, but carb cycling is actually better for weight loss and muscle gain.
Essentially, you don't have full grasp of the story or the biomechanics of the human body. You are someone who threw themselves into low carb and declared it the best because you saw the results you wanted.
When you get down and dirty with how the human body works, you learn that carbs are good when used correctly and in moderate proportion.
Carb cycling once a year won't do anything. Our bodies adapt extremely fast, which is what carb cycling exploits.
When bulking or doing a weight loss regimen, carb cycling is usually done on a 3-4 day cycle. By cycling between high, medium, and low fat/carbs/protein in various controlled proportions, you are constantly tricking your body's mechanics to burn fat while maintaining its health.
Simultaneously, you're allowing your body the supplies it needs to build muscle and repair itself, and your brain the supplies it needs to think clearly and do a good job maintaining its chemical balances.
Also simultaneously, you are preventing your body from entering a stage where it thinks it's starving, which actually makes it harder to lose weight and easier to gain it because it increases your stress and the body clamps down on functions to be more efficient with its energy stores, a very bad combination when losing or maintaining weight.
Incidentally this function is also why eating a strict diet is often bad for weight loss; cycling or just..not caring too much about your caloric intake (within reason) prevents your body from becoming too efficient with calorie burn.
If you ate the same 2K calories every day, you would stop losing weight at a point even if you were well above the weight that 2K would maintain because the body is really good at becoming efficient.
It's one of many reasons, including many outlined in my posts, that the idea that weight loss is just calorie in vs calorie out is just not true and exceedingly outdated. A lot of things factor into our weight and how we lose or keep it and it's useful to learn as many of those factors and their effects as possible, especially if you want to come to a board and essentially lecture people on diets.
And again, I am generally a keto person. I have picked up carbs again for bulking and weight loss right now, but I enjoy the effects I feel (usually) on a low or no carb diet. But I can never discount how important carbs actually are in moderation.
I used to weigh over 300 pounds. I practically starved myself down to 240. Then after a while of struggling to maintain I switched to a Keto diet (low carb, high fat & protein). I now weigh 200 pounds and have maintained it for years. Carbs and other processed junk are terrible for you. This is the way.
This is the way.
Yep. It just works
I have lost 60 lbs. so far on this very plan. I went the slow and steady route (6 years) and average weight loss at about 10 lbs. a year. Cut out alcohol, found Jesus Christ and now Born Again. Loving life!!!
AWESOME!
Good post, good info. So tell us more about your personal situation. Were you fat - etc. Also, where do you get your recipes - can you suggest a site or post some recipes? Tell us a typical day's meals for you. What do you consider low carb? (how many carbs per day?) Do you do anything else - like fast or intermittent fasting? Do you exercise or lift weights. Give us the 411. Thanks.
I can give you some info about a fat based diet. It takes 2 to 3 days for your body to go into what's called ketosis if you cut out carbs and sugar. To get into and maintain ketosis you have to keep your net carbs approximately under 25 G a day. This varies based off age, height and body weight.
Once your body is in a state of ketosis not only will you feel less hungry because the fat actually fills you up and gives you longer more sustainable energy but you will also start dropping weight like crazy.
I've lost over 60 lb in a year eating steaks and bacon and other meats and green vegetables and avocados and lots of lots of butter.
Also once you're in ketosis you'll feel more energetic, have less brain fog, certain health problems can practically disappear, and a lot of achy joints and muscle seem to just vanish.
There's a little bit more to it than just that brief summary but there's tons of books and websites and subreddits that you can go and learn the do's and don'ts. There's tons of fantastic keto products out there now like bread, noodles, cereal, and candy so you can still enjoy many things that weren't traditionally keto.
Well that's great. Good for you. Thanks for your input. More energy would be fantastic.
Read Dr Jason Fungs book on Intermittent Fasting. (The Complete Guide to Fasting by Dr Jason Fung)
Watch Dr Berg on Youtube. Thomas DeLauer is good too, but he is a bit scattered with his information from video to video. Dr Berg is a must.
Thanks, I've heard of Dr. Fung and I know someone who likes Thomas DeLauer, too. Will heck them out.
Okay, thanks.
Thank you, fren. It was good of you to elaborate so much. Wow! I can't believe the response you've gotten. That's great! Shows people are really interested in the subject.
And yes, this helped. At first I thought you might have been a pudge-pot looking to get into shape. it's interesting that you don't even work out. I am fascinated by the idea that this carnivore style of eating seems to satisfy so fully. I like meat and often crave protein. But I really love vegs too and it's hard to imagine leaving them behind. But you are not the only one who has said it can be done. I may give this a try and see if it helps with some issues. And I have never even heard of A2. I checked it out and found it interesting. I will see if it's available in my area.
I hope you don't mind two follow up questions. Answer at your convenience. Do you pay much attention to the RATIO of fat to protein that you eat in a day or at each meal? Or do you just dig in? I think I've heard you're supposed to eat a higher percentage of your meals in fats. And you mentioned eating fatty steaks. Just curious how you prepare them? Do you mostly pan fry them? Thanks again very much. Have a great weekend.
Wow, thanks again. I might look into that Brevill. I like the idea of heating a small oven. That and Saladino's book.
I'm glad you posted this original topic and I'm glad this style of eating is working so successfully for you. It's good of you to share and try to help other people, especially frens.
One of my sons and I just started down this path. Which other books or resources do you suggest?
Also, I've heard, when starting out on this diet, that headaches are common. I suffer from debilitating migraines already. What do you suggest to stave off the headaches?
I've been in bed almost all day today due to a massive migraine. Not sure if it's from th diet, or just one of the migraines I get regularly, but today has been brutal. Any suggestions?
Supplementing with Chelated Bisglycinate Magnesium nightly before bed cured my migraines, as well as helped with so many other things like sleeping well, muscle pain and twitches.....
Most of my migraines are caused from nerve issues in my neck and spine. I have occipital neuralgia. That's part of it. I also have some sinus issues from serving in the M.E. and having broken my nose half a dozen times. I already know what causes most of them. Weather changes are an issue for me due to th sinus damage, too.
Plus, in my teens I was hypoglycemic. Eating carbs was a necessity, or I would pass out randomly from low blood sugar issues. Meat, nuts, and fruits wasn't enough. This was a real issue throughout high school as I was a football player and competitive weight lifter. It went away after I reached my 20's, but I'm wondering if it's coming back now that I'm 45, or if it's diet related. Not really sure, but that's why I'm willing to go on this "diet."
Anyway, thanks for all the info. I will definitely be researching this because I need to get in better shape.
Don’t laugh (you can laugh at them) but there’s these two goofy, amazing physical therapists on the internet that have a cure for literally everything. I get headaches, sister has migraines… they help. I thought I had dislocated my shoulder and constantly woke up with major shoulder pain. Turns out it was my first rib and I googled them desperate one night bc I was in pain. Literally did the exercise three times and instant relief. Have to find the right segment for your pain
https://youtu.be/cJ1n9WIGFcA
https://youtu.be/CTxGkHkO_38
Your body may also be going through a detox and it can make you dehydrated. Liquid IV rocks and you should drink plenty of water with lemon to help your liver rid the toxins.
I LOVE Bob & Brad! They are too cute and always on point! I discovered them several years ago and subscribed to their channel immediately.
They’re so goofy but literally have a segment for anything! I google then when someone’s having pain and it usually helps!
I know...the first time I saw them, they really impressed me...the perfect combination of easy banter and great tips! So glad you shared them with everyone! Take care fren!
You too!
Bob and Brad, "The most famous physical therapists.....on the internet!"
I was diagnosed with occipital neuralgia in college and suffered debilitating migraines as well… the kind where I could barely lift my head up off the pillow. I was able to trace the pain in my neck/base of my head back to TMJ since I broke my jaw from a softball to the face at age 3. I went to a chiro/PT who did dry needle therapy (like acupuncture but needles go in much deeper) to break up all the old scar tissue. It left me extremely sore but wasn’t painful, he would do all along my jawline on my face and neck/shoulder related muscles 2x/week for almost 3 mo then gave me PT exercises for TMJ. Happy to report its been over 12 years without a migraine and the pain in my neck is nonexistent. As far as sinus problems with the change in weather/pressure, I have those as well - mostly from bad allergies/tonsil removal bc they used to catch everything and I would get nasty infections. The only thing that works for me is daily nasal washing 2-3x/day using Xlear nose spray (contains xylitol, grapefruit seed extract, saline). The xylitol forms a film to trap bacteria, it’s kept my son from having any ear infections while in daycare the last 2 years as well. You should look into both of these things for your ailments, hope this helps! Also - I played competitive volleyball in HS/college and also had the fainting issues which I thought was due to low blood sugar, but realized it’s bc I have low blood pressure so actually more neurological vs diet-related. Mine ended up being linked to anxiety, meditation has helped but also grew out of it in my 20s. The only thing that makes me dizzy or have a headache now is a bad sinus infection so started treating that and immensely better.
I’m sure this could be a controversial topic, but you’re right. I spent thanksgiving to new year gorging myself with sugar and carbs, gained 30 lbs and felt like garbage.
I’ve been low carbing, eating one meal a day (intermittent fasting) since Jan 3rd, lost 20 lbs so far and feel like a million bucks. Do it and don’t relapse like I did.
To say nothing about the health benefits of low carb life. A1c - way down. Diabetes - gone. Triglycerides - way down. Cholesterol - way down.
What about kidney issues with a keto diet?
TY!
I have recently discovered i love corned beef hash (meat & potatoes) ... Is that a goodmix, i have heard thats a great stout meal?! Your not gonna ruin my day are you!??????
Folks have been subsisting on this very meal for millennia. It’s one of my faves too 😋
Although the preparation (brine) for 'corning' the beef actually contains sugar. Read the label.
This is 100% factual stuff. Great post, fren.
I eat the same way along with my long time girlfriend. I figured this stuff out researching many years ago about various topics and have been eating this way on my own for a long time. I managed to convince her of all this after some years of dating and she gave it a shot. We eat this diet together now and have been for the better part of a year. Basically I ended up curing her of type 2 diabetes (cut off all medication/insulin injections, go high fat and zero carb/sugar diet for months on end). She's on the road to recovery now and losing weight too. I pretty much managed to save her life from the severe medical complications she was having.
The truth hurts. A huge amount of chronic disease people suffer from nowadays is the result of slowly killing themselves by not being able to understand what is actually healthy for them.
Good post. From my biochemistry courses I took years ago. Everything you said about fat is what we learned. Carbs are bad. Complex carbs in moderation are good. Carbs are where you get those love handles from and that fat stomach roll and man boobies. Cut the carbs. And sugar. It all turns to glucose- sugar and causes you to gain storage fat. If you simply stop eating bread you will notice a difference in a few weeks. Fat is good!!
Saved. Also, mmmm, 🥓 bacon.
Avoid nut oils if you can. The narrative that olive oil is good for you is boosheet. We should be using tallow and lard. Good luck finding tallow. Learn how to save these fats when cooking your meat.
Gotta go to a butcher and ask for hard fat.
I totally agree that liquid oils are detrimental to health. But Coconut oil is healthy (even though it’s a nut/seed) due to it being highly saturated like butter and tallow.
Agreed
Coconuts are actually a drupe
I just started this diet in December and also lost about 20 pounds so far. The constipation issue can be averted by eating more fiber. I eat a salad almost every day. On keto diet you can load your salad up with cheese bacon and other delightful things.
It sounds like he needs more fat and less fiber. Using fiber to stimulate bowel movements is like using a plunger to unplug your plumbing. It works but it stresses the plumbing. He can test this theory very easily by taking an oil-based laxative. If it makes it easier without pain, he needs more oils and fats in his diet. Both my parents had medical issues from impacted colons in their later years, so I learned about it. There's a book called "the fiber menace" which will scare people about too much fiber, and while I thought he was rather extreme about it, the author made an excellent argument about how fat is better than fiber for your digestive system.
Are these same people also eating things other than milks, creams, and cheeses?
Could be a dairy intolerance.
Maybe vaccines.
I’ve read that folks who have trouble digesting dairy usually have some sort of gut flora imbalance, which often strikes after a bad stomach flu.
A round of herbal antibiotics (such as oregano oil or raw garlic) followed up by good quality probiotics should help.
When reintroducing dairy to the diet start with a tiny amount each day, like one sip of milk. Keep doing that, ramping up slowly, adding a tiny amount while watching for symptoms. It takes about two weeks for the body to begin making various enzymes to digest milk properly.
Sorry, I responded before reading your other comments. The oils vs fiber is true, but probably not your friend's solution. I can say that my mother developed lactose intolerance, but she got over it by drinking only organic milk and it went away. There are some that recommend kefir or organic living yogurt to overcome lactose indifference, but I don't have personal experience with that. Good luck.
There’s a food additive in MANY dairy products called carrageenan. It’s used as a thickener in heavy cream, cottage cheese, ice cream, cream cheese, etc. It can cause intestinal irritation. I absolutely avoid it like the plague.
I've never seen any A1 or A2 designation. How can you tell on a milk label?
Same here. Big fan of keto. BUT, have you noticed that stockpiling food (like Patriot Food Supply) is almost impossible? Everyone says get rice and beans, but that's doesn't work for us. Any suggestions other than keeping a freezer of meat stocked?
Thanks! That really helps! I've been reluctant to spend $ on this because I wasn't sure what to do.
One thing people can try, just as a first step, is just using more real butter. Instead of having loads of slices of toast, have fewer but with more butter.
And avoiding sugar at all times.
Science! But the food pyramid....lol
Funny you posted this, I was thinking this morning how the old American Heart Association diet was a medical myth. Never tested, never proven, but perpetuated for decades. President Eisenhower went on it after his heart attack and his cholesterol level increased, his doctors had to start telling him (lying that) it was getting better to reduce his stress levels.
If they will lie for decades about a diet that does not improve your heart condition, it should come as no surprise the same profession is willing to lie about a highly survivable virus.
Glad I never gave up coffee, lard, eggs, or eating other fats! Thanks for the post.
We ate refined carbs as staples when I was growing up in the 1970s and the huge majority of us were effortlessly slim to normal weight and had been for decades or longer, eating this way. This changed almost overnight in the mid- to late-1980s, when millions of people started blowing up like balloons and their Herculean efforts - trying all kinds of diets from low-calorie to low-fat to low-carb and many more - failed, only to have them all backfire over time, resulting in greater weight gain a few years later. Even the babies and the pets are fat now. It's more than just carbs driving the obesity epidemic.
I think our food supply, now pumped full of hormones and antibiotics and GMOs and laced with high fructose corn syrup where sugar used to be, is screwed up.
Up until the 70s is when many people were not yet addicted to tv and video games. People actually MOVED.
No sugar
No problems
They changed the food pyramid in the mid 70s
Find the old one
Fighting the big pharma complex ...being healthy is certainly part of it.
Other than what you get from fruits and vegetables people do not really need carbs (outside of maybe active athletes).
Sugar causes heart disease and a multitude of issues. Half the stuff drug companies peddle could be cured by diet.
Taking care of ones self reduces reliance on billion dollar industries designed to feed off people being sick and unhealthy.
Check out Dr Ken Berry. He's on YouTube, rumble and odyssee. Big truth speaker.
Been keto for 2 years, carnivore last 6 months. Healthiest I've been in probably 40 years.
Yes the food pyramid is a huge lie. I am a type 2 diabetic and carbs are not my friend. I eat keto which is less than 50 grams of carb per day.
Well...I've been into nutrition for a long while. I don't think there's a one-size fits all for everyone. Definitely our processed foods are poisoned. As a society we consume WAY too much sugar. And you don't need all these grains they try and shove down people's throats, or dairy every day (or even at all). Fasting definitely has its benefits...
But the thing is, everyone is beginning at a different starting point, and many have nutritional deficiencies they don't even KNOW they have.
For most, keto is a good way to kick-off into cleaner eating and entering a less inflammatory state, imho. However, I don't think it's necessary to maintain. I think once a person gets used to eating clean, they begin to understand their body more; like what kicks-off inflammation for YOU, and what you can tolerate while still enjoying and maintaining good energy, and weight.
Imho, it's really about trying out a few ways of eating that work for you - utilizing the tools we know are out there: intermittent fasting, keto or low carb, gluten-free and/or no dairy, not eating or at least really minimizing SOY/Corn and other GMOs, not eating artificial sweeteners, not eating and avoiding excito-toxins like MSG, etc.,not drinking your calories, avoiding sulfates, certain dyes, additives.
Trying to eat home-made meals as often as possible. Getting enough water and sleep.
If you can prioritize these things, you'll be really head and shoulders above the average American when it comes to health.
Yeah I don't disagree - I think it will benefit everyone. But a lot of folks don't like to eat that way, or won't really sustain it. Although I do know you adapt and get used to it. I guess I'm just trying to say that a person doesn't have to do hard-core keto to get healthy, although like you said, most would really benefit from it. Definitely.
I like Weston A. Price's information and his research. It's very elucidating. Also there's a great book called "Nourishing Traditions" which is very interesting - it gets into how foods were traditionally prepared, and how much of those traditions have been lost via "fast food." What's interesting, is how much of the prep. unlocks vitamins and minerals that aren't readily bio-available, but per these old traditions of prep, it chemically releases them and also renders for example, phytonutrients to be less harmful. It's a really interesting book.
https://youtu.be/RuOvn4UqznU
I’ve been on board with keto for a long time… but this video on fasting was a huge mind opener…. It’s worth a watch if you’re interested in this topic.
I changed my diet to low carb and intermittent fasted and I feel great, I’ve lost weight and lowered my BP.
Best thing is cut out ALL processed foods. Fiber and fat prevent overeating to obesity. Processed foods spike insulin and cause cravings and addiction.
Eat as natural and organic as possible. Ideally, you eat plants and meat you grow/raise yourself
Fiber from eating natural foods in their whole state .. potato's with skins, wheat with germ and husk, whole fruit, not juice.
Again, not talking about adding fiber to your diet. I'm talking about NOT excluding the fiber from the foods you eat. Whole, natural foods. Not processed, not modified. I also believe in eating raw whenever you can.
I think any idiot on earth can "EAT RIGHT" if they only eat REAL FOOD.
The real trick is UNLEARNING all the bullshit people have been "taught". My grandmother didn't shop in supermarkets. She got meat from a butcher and bread from a baker etc etc. You would never see her eating food she didn't make herself.
Once people see the truth about processed food, they will realize that grocery stores are a WASTELAND. Even the produce is GMO/Chemically treated. The meat is GMO/chemically treated. Nearly everything in the aisles is in a package and was made in a factory.
Read about enriched flour and how that became a requirement. They destroyed wheat and then tried to fix it instead of going back to ACTUAL real bread...you can't find real bread ...if you want to make it yourself, you need to get the wheat and milk it yourself and cook it before it spoils ...
I started keto a couple months ago wanting to lose some weight. It's the best thing I've ever done. I'm 35 and I feel like I did at 16. It has made my insomnia less severe, I wake up rested. My brain doesn't feel foggy. I can concentrate more. I don't get hungry at night. My gerd has gone. I don't feel bloated. I lost 6kg in the first week. I'm eating foods I normally didn't like such as cheese, creams, bacon, eggs. If you love bread there's alternatives like keto wraps and pizza bases, there's even no sugar ice cream if you must. I don't get cravings for doritos and coke anymore, I used to eat 3 packets of doritos with dip a week. They are really trying to kill us through food.
I started a Keto-esque diet I guess a couple years ago now, and do have a problem with weight, too much of it specifically.
Off the bat and out of the gate is was wonderful, but after some time I'm too easily snookered into binging on anti-Keto foods. After a time of this, I switched to the DASH diet (Dietary Approaches to Stop Hypertension), which this too out of the gate worked wonders, but here I find myself again after some time getting off diet.
The biggest factors for me are:
Ease of food prep. This is essential for me in the wash, rinse, repeat aspect. I'm more than fine with basic, non-elaborate meals, and in fact prefer them, because, ease of prep.
Cost some of these diets can get fairly pricey. This kind of further plays into 1, basic meals, not a lot of ingredients, not a lot of $ or time spent.
I've spent considerable time on 1 and 2 prior to starting Keto and DASH finding ingredients, planning easily repeatable meals, and keeping costs down.
This is perhaps the best non-Q post I've seen here, thanks for posting. I'm thinking it's time to switch back to Keto.
Ha, so I've had this post open in a tab since my reply, and even bookmarked it for future reference.
I just started back on keto today, and then thinking after some time of transitioning off carbs giving the carnivore diet a try.
One aspect of diet I've been fortunate in, I'm a pretty plain eater. So that for me simplifies any food regimen for me, while also making it hard to find recipes being most are multi ingredient and many steps.
Thanks for the book recommendation, I'll definitely check it out.
So I'm curious, what, if any, supplements (vitamins etc) do you take?
This is so true for me too. About 2 years ago, I slowly started adding more fat into my food and taking carbs out. Now I avoid added sugars all together. I never feel hungry. I can go longer periods of time without eating. I don’t get cravings for snacks. I also feel more sensitive to sugar, so I don’t eat a lot of it at once.
I have tried to tell my friends about this and they never understand. I think the “fat is bad” narrative is too prominent in our culture. They get oat milk and fake meat thinking it is healthy. I used to be that way too, but I found that drinking whole milk and eating real meat not only tastes better, but keeps you fuller longer!
Yeah the fake foods religion is a problem with most. If you want meat, eat meat.
I think Jason Fung Supports his views with research. He also comes to conclusions based on that research that goes against the MSM narrative.
His book The Obesity Code is what opened my eyes.